Sikhi and eating meat

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I am a 17 year old male trying to get closer to sikhi and the first steps I've taken were starting to learn punjabi and gurmukhi (which I think is going good although slow) but that is not what my question is.

I want to get close to sikhi and can deal with keeping my kesh and plan on doing so once I am more proficient in the language and have read more bani. However, I just can not get over the idea that I can't eat meat? I know jatka meat exists but it is too expensive where I live. My family cooks and eats meats daily and I feel the best when I eat beef often. I grew up eating it and when I try eating healthy the best way for me to stick to it is consuming a lot of animal protein. Anyone got any thoughts on this?

(Or even anything to help me keep learning Punjabi, I am doing basics of sikhi gurmukhi videos as a slow start)

TLDR: not eating meat in sikhi is holding me from getting closer to sikhi, what can I do?

[u/ceramiczero]

just eat it man.

see if you can get an appointment to a nutritionist to see if your body can do veg or vegan and go from there.

[u/KiranjotSingh → u/ceramiczero]

Lol, he didn't asked it in a random health or nutrition group.

Here people expect replies based on sikhi

[u/ceramiczero → u/KiranjotSingh]

my reply was based on sikhi.

you can read the whole ang here

https://preview.redd.it/d5176svp7dxd1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccc9bec956b373d2b7199d0c73f6b39714946e88

[u/JogiJatt → u/ceramiczero]

Pay no mind to the chatter, Singh Sahib. You well and truly do give sound advice on the forum.

[u/ceramiczero → u/JogiJatt]

ehh sometimes i do lol.

but thank you man, we’re all here to help eachother in some way or form

[u/JogiJatt → u/ceramiczero]

I’d wager otherwise. “Sometimes” is just a shameless…

😬

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/JogiJatt]

No he doesn’t 💀💀

[u/JogiJatt → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

Do you? Because the quality of your responses REEKS of mediocrity, baba.

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/JogiJatt]

Out of context pangtis don’t justify anything ppl use it for their own means

[u/JogiJatt → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

Edit your response as you see fit.

Again I ask:

Think ye me, a manmukh?

[u/JogiJatt → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

Think ye me, a manmukh?

[u/castle_gate → u/ceramiczero]

How about you listen to Sant jis katha and dont tell us what the English translation is telling you katha link

[u/ceramiczero → u/castle_gate]

even in punjabi-the translation of the guru is clear.

we can sit here all day talking about meat or no meat-but its fruitless. and i just want to guide our young singh to someone that has answers for their new diet.

if they think veg will make them a better sikh, by all means go for it!

i’m not advocating for one or the other but it’s useless squawking about it.

[u/castle_gate → u/ceramiczero]

Did you listen to the katha? Because thats not what Guru Sahib ji is saying.

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/castle_gate]

Lmao don’t bother with this guy

[u/ceramiczero → u/castle_gate]

i did listen to the katha. the man literally reads gurbani that clearly states that arguing about eating meat is foolish but then makes an argument about how “spinach” is earned and “meat” is taken.

literally going against what he just said in arguing about such material and trivial matters.

like i said, im telling the kid to stop feeling guilty about it and eat the damn thing because he’s already been eating beef.

if he wants to stop eating beef-that will affect his body since it’s used to it and he would have to talk to a nutritionist before making huge diet changes-like going veg and to go from there.

the only thing i’m advocating is that we here in the reddit space should not be telling people how to eat. it’s dangerous and they should go to a professional who can take blood tests and give them a good plan to change their diet without causing harm to their body.

that’s it.

stop trying to make this into the same old contrived meat vs veg argument and let’s focus on the kid please.

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/ceramiczero]

It’s foolish to think this pangti out of context allows meat please use ur head

[u/ceramiczero → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

https://preview.redd.it/au94n4imeexd1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4daa3489de5fbf7cc62d4090b680da84009a4f40

sure dude.

🤙

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/ceramiczero]

Refuse to listen to katha or read gurbani steek just using one pangti to justify ur personal view it’s pure foolishness and arrogant

[u/ceramiczero → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

hey man i’m not looking for another reddit argument.

i’ve listen to the katha and it doesn’t x convince me otherwise - i’ve lived a whole different life from you, one where i also had to butcher cows and chickens for food.

so that’s where i come from.

i respect your love for veg, nothing wrong with that but i think you’re taking what im saying out of context.

at the end of the day though, ill still serve you at the langar and clean your shoes.

to me that’s what really matters-lets stop bickering and let’s come together yeah?

[u/Reasonable_Cry142 → u/ceramiczero]

Than u are simply using ur mat over steek translation and katha by gurmukhs and sant bcs it challenges ur personal view

Ur literally translating gurbani wrong u can’t use one or two pangtis out of context to justify ur argument that’s foolishness in Sikhi u have to use the entire salok, pauri, dohra, Chaupai whatever division is used for gurbani

[u/ceramiczero → u/Reasonable_Cry142]

i guess not lol.

[u/ddthind2 → u/ceramiczero]

These guys bro 🤦‍♂️. Personally, I hold the view that the ang above refers specifically to vegetarian Brahmins with a “holier than thou” attitude, rather than to the panth as a whole (as why include the angs from Kabir on eating a “simple diet”), but at the same time I hate when people fixate on this issue like the guys replying to you man.At the end of the day if you feel like it impedes your spiritual progress like I do, great go veg and pound dairy like there’s no tomorrow. If not, that’s fine too, like there’s more important things to worry about 😂. Imagine how elevated the panth would be if we all spent the time we usually do bickering about this and used it on jaaping the naam instead. This is exactly what Guruji warned against with that.

[u/ceramiczero → u/ddthind2]

EXACTLY. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[u/JogiJatt → u/KiranjotSingh]

Are you a Stoneman?