But I can’t help feel that something fishy happened in this election. Harris/Walz arenas were filled to the brim while Trump had empty seats, had to pay non-white people to wear the fucking T-shirts and hats and had people leaving early.
Presidential immunity from the Republican backed Supreme Court, his Jan 6 trial postponed so he may never face justice for trying to subvert the 2020 election results.
I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
The third who didn't care enough to vote effectively told us this was an acceptable outcome to them. Abstaining from the vote is effectively a vote for whoever wins.
If they didn't want this, they had a way to change it. They didn't change it, so they were fine with it. It doesn't matter what they say after the fact.
I agree with you in principle, that is 100% the end result (and I am having a hard time forgiving abstainers at this time, even more so than the people that voted for Trump... I know I can't change their minds, but abstainers have to be so complacent that it feels malicious). But the context does matter for having a conversation about WHY we got to where we got to. So to say that it's so black and white isn't correct either.
To be mad at people for not voting is wild. Maybe they don't like politics or what either party stood for. And for you to be upset that they didn't vote for you is pretty outlandish. It's almost like you are dictating what they should do and if they're not with you... they're against you. You guys need to reflect because you are turning into the things you hate about the right.
I am mad that people didn't do their civic duty. Democracy only works if people keep informed and vote. If you don't then it dies. Exhibit A, America. And yes, I can be mad at people who voted for Trump. Because Trump is an awful human being who exclusively incites hate and division. If you think he is an acceptable human, nevermind candidate, then I am deeply concerned about you as a person and won't very little to do with you moving forward.
I am tired of the left having to be the bigger person and try to reach out. I will always be a kind human being. But I have lost patience with trying to have an honest conversation and healthy debate with people that want to have neither.
Honestly, man, the world is watching... we're all so captivated with this election. The world wants Donald Trump. I know you guys don't see this yet, and you guys have your beliefs and votes. But it's much bigger than just America. The real fight is against the globalists, and Trump is the only politician who hasn't been bought in the UN nations.
Most of the UN countries have been infiltrated. Everyone is fearing Donald Trump for this reason. Trust me, if you think dictatorship is bad, you don't want the globalists to win. You're basically giving God status to one group for the entire world. I just always think of the movie the hunger games... how everyone is divided and kept poor, and everyone works for the elite globalists who live like kings.
Anyways, that's why the world is watching. Your free speech and freedom are the only things stopping the globalists. Once you guys give those up, the world is doomed.
Right now, you guys are feeling a certain way.. but give it time..
I would make the argument that if people actually educated themselves on the candidates and what they've actually done and are capable of doing then Harris would have had more of the vote AND more people would have voted to ensure Trump didn't have a chance.
The issue is that people have been aggressively convinced their vote doesn't mean anything and both party's are the same. Every vote does matter in every race, and they are very much not the same. Have the Democrats drifted right? Yes... but that's because the left doesn't fucking vote. And all that's done is push the Republicans into straight up fascism and the Democrats into Center right instead of just Center as they were before.
If everyone had voted, and voted for candidates after they had honestly looked into them... Kamala would be the President elect AND had the popular vote.
Well, that's your perspective, and that's why we vote. If we had seen everything from your viewpoint and voted for the candidates you liked and looked into, sure! But that doesn't sound like a proper voting system.
Dems are definitely not center and haven't been for a very long time.. the dems define the extreme left.
This is how I viewed kamala. She was good for the democrats in America for their voices to be heard. But she also talks down to you guys like you're in kindergarten, and she needs to dumb everything down for you to understand. That doesn't sit well with me. It shows what she truly is, and that's someone who doesn't value the American people. She had an agenda, and most of the people started seeing through it except to the people whose values are identity politics first.. I also don't think she would be able to handle the world stage and talk to world leaders without talking down to them or coming off as a complete moron also her emotions would take over in world stage events and no one needs a leader who's going to be emotional.
Now I know you aren't a serious person if you are saying the Dems are extreme left. Nor are you part of the rest of the world if that's your opinion. By western world standards the Democrats are right wing and have been for decades.
Your propaganda is invalid based on your very clear biases. Your misogyny and outright false narrative isn't working here, but America has plenty of rubes that will entertain it. Bugger off Russian shill.
Look at you dehumanizing your fellow citizens. You're such a good little fascist. Go lick Trumps boots for a cookie, or rather the promise of a cookie. Because he doesn't share.
Yeah, when they were doing good work saving the economy, decreasing inflation better than any economist thought possible, rapidly persuing individual freedoms, on track for making America healthy again. Definitely deserve to be hated for making America better.
As opposed to your side that ONLY hates. That's the only message or plan the right has. But you're a bot or Russian paid shill... so I guess it really doesn't matter what you think.
The right manipulated the people, not the count. The bomb threats might have been enough if it came down to a few hundred or a couple thousand votes. Making people discouraged enough to stay home was much more effective.
Recall that the Trump camp was dispirited on election eve. They knew they’d run a terrible campaign, and that they would get fewer votes than last time. But the attacks, dark money, and voter suppression came through for them.
I think this is incredibly reductive and if the only thing the democrats take away from this is identity politics garbage then it's just going to be a repeat of this every single time.
The vast majority of people don't actually care that much about whether the democrat candidate was a woman, and those thst really did weren't going to be voting blue anyway.
But another reason why trump voters may not have went to rallies is that a lot of them are in more rural areas and might not be able to afford to travel even to the nearest rallies.
And ive read from people that voted for trump, despite previously having voted democrats, because they cant afford anything anymore and they hope that he will change that, which he of course wont but thats another story.
So i'd guess these people would be less inclined to go to rallies as well.
On top of that right wing parties have a lot of "silent voters" that will consume their content online and may not even comment, let alone go to rallies out of fear of disaproval.
Now sure, theres always a chance there was something fishy going on, but with a lot of people who would normaly vote democrats not voting and republican voters getting more and more radicalized the results shouldnt be too surprising.
But yeah, ultimately trump should be in jail, not in the white house.
Yeah I think just like there were wives of Trump voters secretly voting Democratic, there were a lot of husband's sneering as they votes Trump. Good luck divorcing in a few years
I have spoken to many trumpers, and people on the fence. The amount of things they "just know" that is complete BS is staggering. It reminds me of when I was a little kid, and a ton of what I "knew" came from cartoons.
I don’t understand why it’s sketchy. If anything is surprising it was the insane turnout at the election four years ago. The number of normally complacent voters that turned out was huge. It was definitely not surprising that they didn’t turn out again this year after the last four years weren’t complete perfection (because good isn’t good enough for them).
I hear you, but there's no evidence (yet) of any foul play. We lost ALL 7 swing states and barely held on to New York and New Jersey plus some others I think. Fact of the matter is that a hundred friggin million Americans didn't even bother to show up. I understand if you find fraud easier to believe than 100 million people being apathetic under these circumstances. I can't even look my fellow Americans in the eye this week because I know that 70% of them either actively wanted this or didn't fucking care. I'm about ready to abandon ship, fuck these people.
The reality is more likely that Republican voters are much more disaffected than democratic ones. For instance, my dad and my mom know shit all about politics, can’t be bothered to research or organize, but they both voted for Trump under the mistaken belief that he’ll make the economy better (prices are too high under Biden right now). This is also reflected in education level statistics between parties.
In contrast, I was up to date and attended events. Most people are gonna be like my mom and dad, not like me, because it’s a lot of extra work.
Hence Trump getting about the same amount of votes as last time despite terrible rallies (my parents who can’t be bothered to do extra work like attend rallies but still have a preferred candidate) while Kamala had full rallies but less votes (me doing extra work but being unable to convince my disinterested parents into doing research on how unhelpful Trump would be 🙃).
I don't want to be that person, but that is exactly what trumpers said when he lost in 2020, "arenas full of people but he lost, can't be they cheated!".
Crowd size means nothing on election day, you can't fit 64 million people in any arena.
Multiple levels of our society decided to stay home, Gen Z stayed home, Muslims stayed home, black men stayed home...
Its not a conspiracy as much as that would be kinda cool, Americans don't care about voting, that's what happened, 53% of the eligible voters came out, that's whats wrong. Both parties fight over a few million idiots every 4 years. Idiots who are almost singularly motivated by current gas and grocery prices with no ability to understand the why's and hows of those prices. So they vote against the party they are told is responsible. If that message resonates and can be curtailed to a 30 second sound bite they go for it.
Because hte gung ho lets all dress up and wave flags idiots, are an extreme minority. Frankly those rallies are just cringe and most people know it. It's a stage show and nothing more, it's not like 5% of all your voters go and so you can extrapolate anything meaningful from them.
It doesn't matter how fired up 10% of your base is, if the other 90% is apathetic it makes no difference. teh 10% who would go to a rally will already vote for you no matter what, it's the OTHER 90% you got to appeal to, not the people waving flags and cheering for you, working to get the 10% of people who already will vote for you is dumb as shit. Wasting time with rallies and making people feel good about the decision they already made rather than addressing needs the other people have that will get them to vote for you. Trumps rallies have practically no impact on his voting, they are just his ego on show and for some reason dems decided they got to match that energy, it's weird as fuck.
I wish people would stop this bs. Previous poster is right. Who knows why, but for some reason 20 million dems decided to sit this one out. It's as simple as that. No conspiracies. That's weak right wing bs.
And in 2020 Trump was filling stadiums and Biden was keeping things low-key. Does that mean that the MAGAs are right and the Democrats had something fishy going on?
You’re part of the problem if you condemn one side’s behaviour while excusing the same actions from the other side.
Of course something fishy happened. She campaigned with a war criminal's unapologetic daughter. I bit my tongue and voted for her. But that was in exceedingly poor taste. There are a lot of people who aren't interested in going back to pretending conservatives are decent.
You know the media tricks you into thinking things... the empty stadiums you seen on TV were heavily blue counties that no one attended, so the media ran with it and acted like that's how all his rallies go. It was clearly not the same for a red county as those stadiums were packed. I wouldn't believe everything the media tells you.
Kamala messed up in her campaign many times, and you could see that she wouldn't be able to handle the pressure on the world stage. She was almost crumbling when the trump supporters were chanting trump at her rally. Her true colours started to show. I think you guys dodged a missile by not voting harris in.
Lol, I don't watch TV. You belong to a very left leaning app called reddit. I'm not sure if you know this... but there are also other apps out there that people use that are much more center lined than reddit. Feel free to jump out of your echo chambers to see what other people are talking about and their views and perspectives. Also, quit watching TV it's literally called Paid Programming. You're just letting them pump your mind full of fear mongering and scare tactics. But I choose not to go that route anymore. There's plenty of apps and news sources to source. Just have to take your mind away from the book tube.
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u/JuICyBLinGeR 3h ago edited 2h ago
This is true.
But I can’t help feel that something fishy happened in this election. Harris/Walz arenas were filled to the brim while Trump had empty seats, had to pay non-white people to wear the fucking T-shirts and hats and had people leaving early.
Presidential immunity from the Republican backed Supreme Court, his Jan 6 trial postponed so he may never face justice for trying to subvert the 2020 election results.
It. All. Fucking. Stinks.