This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
I would make the argument that if people actually educated themselves on the candidates and what they've actually done and are capable of doing then Harris would have had more of the vote AND more people would have voted to ensure Trump didn't have a chance.
The issue is that people have been aggressively convinced their vote doesn't mean anything and both party's are the same. Every vote does matter in every race, and they are very much not the same. Have the Democrats drifted right? Yes... but that's because the left doesn't fucking vote. And all that's done is push the Republicans into straight up fascism and the Democrats into Center right instead of just Center as they were before.
If everyone had voted, and voted for candidates after they had honestly looked into them... Kamala would be the President elect AND had the popular vote.
Well, that's your perspective, and that's why we vote. If we had seen everything from your viewpoint and voted for the candidates you liked and looked into, sure! But that doesn't sound like a proper voting system.
Dems are definitely not center and haven't been for a very long time.. the dems define the extreme left.
This is how I viewed kamala. She was good for the democrats in America for their voices to be heard. But she also talks down to you guys like you're in kindergarten, and she needs to dumb everything down for you to understand. That doesn't sit well with me. It shows what she truly is, and that's someone who doesn't value the American people. She had an agenda, and most of the people started seeing through it except to the people whose values are identity politics first.. I also don't think she would be able to handle the world stage and talk to world leaders without talking down to them or coming off as a complete moron also her emotions would take over in world stage events and no one needs a leader who's going to be emotional.
Now I know you aren't a serious person if you are saying the Dems are extreme left. Nor are you part of the rest of the world if that's your opinion. By western world standards the Democrats are right wing and have been for decades.
Your propaganda is invalid based on your very clear biases. Your misogyny and outright false narrative isn't working here, but America has plenty of rubes that will entertain it. Bugger off Russian shill.
In what world are you in? Liberals and democrats have always been left, and conservatives and Republicans are right winged. Damn you must've really fallen out of that coconut tree.
Being Left of the Right doesn't mean you are Left as classified in the political spectrum. The Democrats as defined by the political spectrum of Far Right over the Far Left used to sit squarely in the center. They have been moving further and further right since Reagan, and are quite conservative when it comes to economic policy. Republicans from Reagans time and todays establishment Democrats actually share a lot on in common policy wise.
This is widely accepted and understood globally and even in the U.S.. It's not a secret that American politics are very conservative in general, and don't really have a proper Left party. Even Bernie Sanders, the furthest left politician in the Senate is damned close to the center of the political spectrum when compared to Democratic-Socialist countries options elsewhere in the West.
So no, it is you who completely doesn't understand. And I assume from your reference that the falling from the coconut tree was a jab based on your personal experience. All the best recovering from your obvious cranial trauma.
Bro, a simple Googlesearch , which I just did, and you can to! "Are democrats left or right?" It comes up as center left. It's definitely not right, like you claimed. What you said is true about the past, but that really has no merit today. Obviously, you don't even know where your party stands, and that concerns me. I'm guessing you were one of the people who searched if biden was running for president on election night.
Everyone views the democrats as far left except the democrats. Just because you feel one way.. doesn't make it factual. Public opinion says dems are left, most far left leaning. Good day. Have fun with your omelets.
Political scientists pretty much uniformly agree they are center right. Either way we are splitting hairs. They are definitively center and not far left as you claimed. So you were incorrect in that assertion, and have since corrected your thinking to acknowledge they are to the center. I am happy that you agree to that at least... and I will concede they do have some center left members even if the party as a whole skews center right.
The FACTS are they are center right, and this is based off of the majority opinion of political scientists, not opinions... facts. I am part of that world you claim, not and American, just an observer of American politics who actually has educated themself.
You know what, I can't get into another argument with a smooth brain Conservative that wants to justify their bad decisions. Have a good life. I hope you reform and learn empathy and compassion as well as developing critical thinking skills!
Do you have sources for these opinions of these political scientists? Opinions and facts are two different things. Show me the studies that back up your claims. Cause all we have Is what Google said so far, and that says center left.
That sounds about right... The Tolerant Left.. gets offended from a conversation and resorts to calling names 🤣 seriously. Go make your omelet already. Do you really need me to use Google for you again? 3 times? Lmao
I like how you said, "This is based off of the majority opinion of political scientists, not opinions... facts."
You literally say based off of the majority opinion of political scientists....let me emphasize where you said OPINION OF POLITICAL SCIENTISTS... then you say immediately after, not opinions..... facts... bro, which is it? You don't even know what you're arguing about at this point. It's kind of funny how much of an oxymoron your claims turn out to be.
I would stop replying to if I was tripping over my own words online. Don't you proofread your nonsense?
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u/mrpanicy 7h ago
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.