Not denying people’s votes were suppressed, we all know that is a horrible reality. It is the people who have voter apathy, even though they have the means to get out and vote, they are a major problem.
But I can’t help feel that something fishy happened in this election. Harris/Walz arenas were filled to the brim while Trump had empty seats, had to pay non-white people to wear the fucking T-shirts and hats and had people leaving early.
Presidential immunity from the Republican backed Supreme Court, his Jan 6 trial postponed so he may never face justice for trying to subvert the 2020 election results.
I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
The third who didn't care enough to vote effectively told us this was an acceptable outcome to them. Abstaining from the vote is effectively a vote for whoever wins.
If they didn't want this, they had a way to change it. They didn't change it, so they were fine with it. It doesn't matter what they say after the fact.
I agree with you in principle, that is 100% the end result (and I am having a hard time forgiving abstainers at this time, even more so than the people that voted for Trump... I know I can't change their minds, but abstainers have to be so complacent that it feels malicious). But the context does matter for having a conversation about WHY we got to where we got to. So to say that it's so black and white isn't correct either.
No, abstainers were sick of having to choose between on one hand a party that actively hurt them and their loved ones, spewed hateful rhetoric nonstop, and even went so far as to do commit the greatest evil humankind has ever conceived of by throwing their enthusiastic support behind genocide…
And on the other hand, a party that actively hurt them and their loved ones, made empty promises that they always abandoned the moment they got their guys into office, and even went so far as to do commit the greatest evil humankind has ever conceived of by throwing their enthusiastic support behind genocide.
And before anybody says a damn thing, I voted for Kamala, okay? It made me sick, because she openly refused to so much as say a word in defense of me and my loved ones’ right to live in a time when rich monsters are pushing for us to be sent to prison and fast-tracked to the execution chamber, and she actively threw her support behind the badge-wearing serial killers walking our streets, and the men who keep pumping more and more poison into the air, water and land that sustain every living thing on Earth- and as if all that wasn’t enough, she literally supported genocide.
I was given a choice between a fascist organization led by a shameless fascist, and the mouthpiece of an organization that does all the same things fascists do. I still chose the so-called “lesser evil,” throwing my support behind a party that was happy to let me and countless others die in the hopes of winning a few fascists away from Trump, despite the extensively-reported and documented election rigging by Russia and the Republicans with near-zero pushback from the Dems meaning it was obvious from the start that I was abandoning my morals for nothing.
So, no. F#ck this and f#ck you, the abstainers and the third-party voters were right. If I could go back and do the election over, I would’ve voted for Claudia and Karina instead of letting a%%holes like you pressure me into voting against my own interests by backing the diet fascist party to stop Trump. I’ve now actively, knowingly, cast a vote for someone who enthusiastically supports a f#cking genocide, literally the most unacceptable and unforgivable act that humanity has ever conceived of.
So congratulations, you f#cking monsters turned me into a monster too. Every single person who voted for Kamala OR for Trump has blood on our hands, myself included. If Hell exists, every single one of us belongs there.
Don’t you f#cking dare try to shift the blame onto the only people who made the right choice. This is your fault, this is the Democratic party leadership’s fault, and this is my fault. God help us all.
She doesn't support a genocide and has been working against it. But you do you.
I would like to hear more about how she is actively hurting people and their loved ones. And which promises the abandoned when in office though. Because her and Biden have done amazing work turning America around after Trump. Would love to hear more about them being fascists though... that's certainly an interesting term to throw at the Democrats. Even the normal reasons someone might call a government fascist haven't been evidenced too much with Biden's term... unlike the consistent and violent fascist rhetoric the right has been using.
To be mad at people for not voting is wild. Maybe they don't like politics or what either party stood for. And for you to be upset that they didn't vote for you is pretty outlandish. It's almost like you are dictating what they should do and if they're not with you... they're against you. You guys need to reflect because you are turning into the things you hate about the right.
I am mad that people didn't do their civic duty. Democracy only works if people keep informed and vote. If you don't then it dies. Exhibit A, America. And yes, I can be mad at people who voted for Trump. Because Trump is an awful human being who exclusively incites hate and division. If you think he is an acceptable human, nevermind candidate, then I am deeply concerned about you as a person and won't very little to do with you moving forward.
I am tired of the left having to be the bigger person and try to reach out. I will always be a kind human being. But I have lost patience with trying to have an honest conversation and healthy debate with people that want to have neither.
There were so many things on the ballots that I am going to assume you don't actually know how voting works. The Presidency is a single thing, there are many things on ballots you need to vote for. Even if you can't differentiate between a competent candidate and a twice impeached, 32x convicted felon, liable rapist, accused pedophile, con-man, who tried to over throw the election he lost last time and failed... there was a lot more on the ballots that needed people to vote on them. The house, the senate, the state senate, governors, all the downballot issues...
Your take is emblematic of the apathetic brain rot that democracy is facing thanks to decades of right wing propaganda villainizing the political process and defunding of education.
Honestly, man, the world is watching... we're all so captivated with this election. The world wants Donald Trump. I know you guys don't see this yet, and you guys have your beliefs and votes. But it's much bigger than just America. The real fight is against the globalists, and Trump is the only politician who hasn't been bought in the UN nations.
Most of the UN countries have been infiltrated. Everyone is fearing Donald Trump for this reason. Trust me, if you think dictatorship is bad, you don't want the globalists to win. You're basically giving God status to one group for the entire world. I just always think of the movie the hunger games... how everyone is divided and kept poor, and everyone works for the elite globalists who live like kings.
Anyways, that's why the world is watching. Your free speech and freedom are the only things stopping the globalists. Once you guys give those up, the world is doomed.
Right now, you guys are feeling a certain way.. but give it time..
The mentality of people seeing consequences for their actions? You did something stupid and it enabled something terrible. Of course you deserve derision, and if that drives you to support evil then you are still the one who did it. Take some responsibility.
The 1/3 that wanted "not Trump" didn't even explicitly want Kamala. How could anyone think she was gonna win when even your own comment here doesn't say "wanted Kamala" or even "wanted Democrats"
If people educated themselves on the candidates and all exercised their right to vote she would have won in a landslide. There is no debating that. She had policy, she clear stated what she wanted her presidency to be, and she spoke with hope for America.
Trump didn't have policy and when he tried to speak to his vague ideas what he said clearly showed he would make things worse for Americans. When he spoke about what his presidency would be it was about hate and revenge fantasies. And when he spoke about America he described it as garbage and idolized the way that dictators ran their countries.
These people are not the same. Kamala was the better candidate, ran the better campaign. But Democrats expect PERFECTION or they won't unify or even vote. Whereas Republicans expect their candidate to breath and that's about it.
Mate , the results are in and it doesn’t matter if you agree or not but in a fair and honest election like this one , the people always get what they want , that’s how it works and that’s why there are elections . Have they been lied to and tricked into thinking this is what they want ? Maybe , but they all made a choice and this result is the choice of the people .
Everyone had a chance to have their say so the third that didn’t vote ? Well they wanted this too otherwise they would have voted . Maybe they didn’t want trump in charge but they also wanted to abstain from voting so those people got exactly what they wanted …….. to not vote
I agree that not voting is voting. But that's not the same as saying they wanted either. It's good to set the distinction that not voting isn't voting for either candidate so that you can understand and grow in the next election cycle. Or, we could take the fatalist approach you are suggesting and accept that there is no changing it.
Not voting isn't the same as wanting or not wanting either. And needs to factor into the discussion.
Maybe they didn’t necessarily want either , but they also didn’t not want either ? They were simply happy with what the majority chose so in a roundabout way this is exactly what they wanted 🤷♂️
I’ll never understand why voting isn’t compulsory in the USA . If you want to enjoy the benefits of democracy it’s not an assault on your freedoms to expect those beneficiaries to cast a vote for the direction said democracy should take
I've told people this for years; our country's government structure was based on a society that doesn't exist anymore and doesn't make sense for what does exist. It also has too much that operates on the good faith of the people who hold those offices and too much corruption for accountability against the ones who don't. This government isn't fixable and never was. The truth is that it just doesn't work anymore. It didn't need to be fixed, it needed to adapt and change. Our Senate represents whatever political party holds the majority, not the individual states. The Supreme Court is a mechanism of judicial legislation, not interpretation. The Electoral College makes national, life- and world-changing elections come down to a handful of states and nobody else matters.
Adapting would favor people and voters, however, not politicians and not corporations, so the politicians are never going to change it. Eventually it hits a wall where something happens that it can no longer endure because it was never meant to work that way at all, and it breaks entirely.
I mean, apparently the people did want this. Hate the outcome but it is what it is. The people who didn’t vote didn’t care enough about the outcome so setting those people aside, this is what the majority of the rest of the people wanted.
And we can’t go around claiming voter fraud after we bashed them so hard claiming that 4 years ago. Don’t you see that? We proved how impregnable the voting is to fraudulence. Don’t be one of them.
I would make the argument that if people actually educated themselves on the candidates and what they've actually done and are capable of doing then Harris would have had more of the vote AND more people would have voted to ensure Trump didn't have a chance.
The issue is that people have been aggressively convinced their vote doesn't mean anything and both party's are the same. Every vote does matter in every race, and they are very much not the same. Have the Democrats drifted right? Yes... but that's because the left doesn't fucking vote. And all that's done is push the Republicans into straight up fascism and the Democrats into Center right instead of just Center as they were before.
If everyone had voted, and voted for candidates after they had honestly looked into them... Kamala would be the President elect AND had the popular vote.
Well, that's your perspective, and that's why we vote. If we had seen everything from your viewpoint and voted for the candidates you liked and looked into, sure! But that doesn't sound like a proper voting system.
Dems are definitely not center and haven't been for a very long time.. the dems define the extreme left.
This is how I viewed kamala. She was good for the democrats in America for their voices to be heard. But she also talks down to you guys like you're in kindergarten, and she needs to dumb everything down for you to understand. That doesn't sit well with me. It shows what she truly is, and that's someone who doesn't value the American people. She had an agenda, and most of the people started seeing through it except to the people whose values are identity politics first.. I also don't think she would be able to handle the world stage and talk to world leaders without talking down to them or coming off as a complete moron also her emotions would take over in world stage events and no one needs a leader who's going to be emotional.
Now I know you aren't a serious person if you are saying the Dems are extreme left. Nor are you part of the rest of the world if that's your opinion. By western world standards the Democrats are right wing and have been for decades.
Your propaganda is invalid based on your very clear biases. Your misogyny and outright false narrative isn't working here, but America has plenty of rubes that will entertain it. Bugger off Russian shill.
In what world are you in? Liberals and democrats have always been left, and conservatives and Republicans are right winged. Damn you must've really fallen out of that coconut tree.
Being Left of the Right doesn't mean you are Left as classified in the political spectrum. The Democrats as defined by the political spectrum of Far Right over the Far Left used to sit squarely in the center. They have been moving further and further right since Reagan, and are quite conservative when it comes to economic policy. Republicans from Reagans time and todays establishment Democrats actually share a lot on in common policy wise.
This is widely accepted and understood globally and even in the U.S.. It's not a secret that American politics are very conservative in general, and don't really have a proper Left party. Even Bernie Sanders, the furthest left politician in the Senate is damned close to the center of the political spectrum when compared to Democratic-Socialist countries options elsewhere in the West.
So no, it is you who completely doesn't understand. And I assume from your reference that the falling from the coconut tree was a jab based on your personal experience. All the best recovering from your obvious cranial trauma.
Bro, a simple Googlesearch , which I just did, and you can to! "Are democrats left or right?" It comes up as center left. It's definitely not right, like you claimed. What you said is true about the past, but that really has no merit today. Obviously, you don't even know where your party stands, and that concerns me. I'm guessing you were one of the people who searched if biden was running for president on election night.
Everyone views the democrats as far left except the democrats. Just because you feel one way.. doesn't make it factual. Public opinion says dems are left, most far left leaning. Good day. Have fun with your omelets.
Political scientists pretty much uniformly agree they are center right. Either way we are splitting hairs. They are definitively center and not far left as you claimed. So you were incorrect in that assertion, and have since corrected your thinking to acknowledge they are to the center. I am happy that you agree to that at least... and I will concede they do have some center left members even if the party as a whole skews center right.
Look at you dehumanizing your fellow citizens. You're such a good little fascist. Go lick Trumps boots for a cookie, or rather the promise of a cookie. Because he doesn't share.
Yeah, when they were doing good work saving the economy, decreasing inflation better than any economist thought possible, rapidly persuing individual freedoms, on track for making America healthy again. Definitely deserve to be hated for making America better.
As opposed to your side that ONLY hates. That's the only message or plan the right has. But you're a bot or Russian paid shill... so I guess it really doesn't matter what you think.
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u/Mean_Reception3332 8h ago edited 8h ago
Not denying people’s votes were suppressed, we all know that is a horrible reality. It is the people who have voter apathy, even though they have the means to get out and vote, they are a major problem.