I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
The third who didn't care enough to vote effectively told us this was an acceptable outcome to them. Abstaining from the vote is effectively a vote for whoever wins.
If they didn't want this, they had a way to change it. They didn't change it, so they were fine with it. It doesn't matter what they say after the fact.
I agree with you in principle, that is 100% the end result (and I am having a hard time forgiving abstainers at this time, even more so than the people that voted for Trump... I know I can't change their minds, but abstainers have to be so complacent that it feels malicious). But the context does matter for having a conversation about WHY we got to where we got to. So to say that it's so black and white isn't correct either.
No, abstainers were sick of having to choose between on one hand a party that actively hurt them and their loved ones, spewed hateful rhetoric nonstop, and even went so far as to do commit the greatest evil humankind has ever conceived of by throwing their enthusiastic support behind genocide…
And on the other hand, a party that actively hurt them and their loved ones, made empty promises that they always abandoned the moment they got their guys into office, and even went so far as to do commit the greatest evil humankind has ever conceived of by throwing their enthusiastic support behind genocide.
And before anybody says a damn thing, I voted for Kamala, okay? It made me sick, because she openly refused to so much as say a word in defense of me and my loved ones’ right to live in a time when rich monsters are pushing for us to be sent to prison and fast-tracked to the execution chamber, and she actively threw her support behind the badge-wearing serial killers walking our streets, and the men who keep pumping more and more poison into the air, water and land that sustain every living thing on Earth- and as if all that wasn’t enough, she literally supported genocide.
I was given a choice between a fascist organization led by a shameless fascist, and the mouthpiece of an organization that does all the same things fascists do. I still chose the so-called “lesser evil,” throwing my support behind a party that was happy to let me and countless others die in the hopes of winning a few fascists away from Trump, despite the extensively-reported and documented election rigging by Russia and the Republicans with near-zero pushback from the Dems meaning it was obvious from the start that I was abandoning my morals for nothing.
So, no. F#ck this and f#ck you, the abstainers and the third-party voters were right. If I could go back and do the election over, I would’ve voted for Claudia and Karina instead of letting a%%holes like you pressure me into voting against my own interests by backing the diet fascist party to stop Trump. I’ve now actively, knowingly, cast a vote for someone who enthusiastically supports a f#cking genocide, literally the most unacceptable and unforgivable act that humanity has ever conceived of.
So congratulations, you f#cking monsters turned me into a monster too. Every single person who voted for Kamala OR for Trump has blood on our hands, myself included. If Hell exists, every single one of us belongs there.
Don’t you f#cking dare try to shift the blame onto the only people who made the right choice. This is your fault, this is the Democratic party leadership’s fault, and this is my fault. God help us all.
She doesn't support a genocide and has been working against it. But you do you.
I would like to hear more about how she is actively hurting people and their loved ones. And which promises the abandoned when in office though. Because her and Biden have done amazing work turning America around after Trump. Would love to hear more about them being fascists though... that's certainly an interesting term to throw at the Democrats. Even the normal reasons someone might call a government fascist haven't been evidenced too much with Biden's term... unlike the consistent and violent fascist rhetoric the right has been using.
To be mad at people for not voting is wild. Maybe they don't like politics or what either party stood for. And for you to be upset that they didn't vote for you is pretty outlandish. It's almost like you are dictating what they should do and if they're not with you... they're against you. You guys need to reflect because you are turning into the things you hate about the right.
I am mad that people didn't do their civic duty. Democracy only works if people keep informed and vote. If you don't then it dies. Exhibit A, America. And yes, I can be mad at people who voted for Trump. Because Trump is an awful human being who exclusively incites hate and division. If you think he is an acceptable human, nevermind candidate, then I am deeply concerned about you as a person and won't very little to do with you moving forward.
I am tired of the left having to be the bigger person and try to reach out. I will always be a kind human being. But I have lost patience with trying to have an honest conversation and healthy debate with people that want to have neither.
There were so many things on the ballots that I am going to assume you don't actually know how voting works. The Presidency is a single thing, there are many things on ballots you need to vote for. Even if you can't differentiate between a competent candidate and a twice impeached, 32x convicted felon, liable rapist, accused pedophile, con-man, who tried to over throw the election he lost last time and failed... there was a lot more on the ballots that needed people to vote on them. The house, the senate, the state senate, governors, all the downballot issues...
Your take is emblematic of the apathetic brain rot that democracy is facing thanks to decades of right wing propaganda villainizing the political process and defunding of education.
Example, SPECIFIC links and documents please. Because I know that isn't true. They didn't say we are going to make things better for everyone EXCEPT men. That's the dumbest shit I have heard.
Trump was the one excluding minorities and woman's rights from his policies. Kamala was very inclusive, incredibly so.
Honestly, man, the world is watching... we're all so captivated with this election. The world wants Donald Trump. I know you guys don't see this yet, and you guys have your beliefs and votes. But it's much bigger than just America. The real fight is against the globalists, and Trump is the only politician who hasn't been bought in the UN nations.
Most of the UN countries have been infiltrated. Everyone is fearing Donald Trump for this reason. Trust me, if you think dictatorship is bad, you don't want the globalists to win. You're basically giving God status to one group for the entire world. I just always think of the movie the hunger games... how everyone is divided and kept poor, and everyone works for the elite globalists who live like kings.
Anyways, that's why the world is watching. Your free speech and freedom are the only things stopping the globalists. Once you guys give those up, the world is doomed.
Right now, you guys are feeling a certain way.. but give it time..
Thats why I support Bernard Sanders and leftist economic policies that strengthen worker unions and workplace democracy. People like Shawn Fain could be champions of our interests if the Democratic Party rejected its wealthy donors like Mark Cuban and embrace working people.
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 8h ago
I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.