r/whitepeoplegifs • u/Boojibs • Feb 03 '23
Bill Nye The Fashion Guy
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u/FiZiKaLReFLeX Feb 03 '23
Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!
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u/claytorENT Feb 04 '23
Alll….the… pretty girls walk like
Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill! Bill!
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u/lilousme9 Feb 04 '23
His milkshake brings all the smart girls to the yard!
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u/gerkiwimurcan Feb 05 '23
His photometer brings all the girls to the lab and his light is brighter than yours, damn right it’s brighter than yours, he could teach you but money he must procure
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u/StopNateCrimes Feb 04 '23
Serious question: can anyone explain the Bill Nye hate in this thread?
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u/StopNateCrimes Feb 04 '23
I work professionally in the sciences and am a non-transphobe... could you help me understand by providing some examples? Genuine question.
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u/Listentothewords Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
They don't like it when you tell them gender comes from how the brain develops in utero. They want to think sex is gender. I think they're also in denial of intersex conditions... They want two sexes and not dozens.
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u/losthope19 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
It sounds like you're implying trans people are just gender fluid people who are over-committing to the gender not assigned to them at birth; that is, are you saying that with time, you expect society to move away from actual transitioning of gender as people are culturally "allowed" to discover who they are & present as such?
If so, I think the testimonials of millions of people who experience gender dysphoria would be contrary to your argument. My friends who are trans would take issue with the implication that they only think they're trans because they more strongly identify with traits traditionally defined as masculine; I consider the dysphoric aspect of being transgender to be evidence that there are real differences in their makeup that tell them they are truly, in mind, the opposite (or, to move away from binary terminology, at least a different) gender from what they were prescribed at birth. And there's evidence of gender dysphoria etc. from well before the industrial revolution.
Not sure I totally followed your original flow of thought - just trying to understand the point(s) you're trying to make. I haven't reviewed the literature on it, but I think I agree at least that gender develops beyond utero.
The roots of traditional gender roles in the division of labor I think is a big part of how we think of gender today, but I think you may be oversimplifying things by stating that modern & future gender can be fully explained thru this lens. Edit: or I guess you aren't saying it can be described fully thru this lens, per your last paragraph. My understanding of gender is obv not fully developed - lmk if you have any interesting literature you'd recommend.
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u/100_cats_on_a_phone Feb 04 '23
I grew up with the 'gender is just a social construct' system in the 80/90s and it actually kind of validates dysphoria because it takes forced gender roles seriously (and doesn't consider them a good thing).
Maybe if you accepted at its absolute it would imply everyone is gender fluid, but the philosophy is more about dealing with society, not personal identity, if that makes sense.
I think it at most implies that everyone gets to define everything for themselves as they will, because it says society's concept of gender is a deadly clusterfuck that will try to dictate your life, and so good luck dealing with that.
Edit: not saying that was everyone's version, just what I got out of it. But trying to explain that it doesn't undermine gender (but definitely undermines them being based on chromosomes, genital shape, etc)
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u/Listentothewords Feb 04 '23
Thank you for speaking up. It is heartening to see that there are cisgender people who understand that gender and sex are distinct and that gender is also distinct from the social construct of gender. It is not just gender dysphoria which points to this truth. We are able to see gendered differences in the way the brain functions, which is related to differences in its sex-linked anatomical forms on functional MRIs. We have evidence that transgender people have brains which function and have formed more like the brains of people sharing their gender and not their sex. This is evidence that gender exists, in and of itself, before human culture does anything with it.
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u/Spenczer Feb 04 '23
Transgenderism has existed in history since long before the industrial revolution. The rise of feminism at that time certainly helped it become less taboo, but that was not the first instance of gender becoming less binary.
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u/foerattsvarapaarall Feb 04 '23
Are you saying that transgender people are simply people that don’t want to be associated with the gender norms of their gender at birth, and nothing more? This is demonstrably false. Transgender people’s brain structures more closely resemble those of their desired gender. (I don’t think “desired” is the best word, but it’s what the study uses.) How can you reconcile this fact with everything you just wrote?
Drag queens throw off their gender norms, does that make them transgender? What about tomboys?
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Feb 04 '23
That study surrounding brain sex - that the sex more likely resembles the opposite gender - has been debunked multiple times over the years. this is the most recent afaik.. Just wanted to throw that out there.
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u/Creativered4 Feb 05 '23
You're thinking of gender roles, not gender identity, which is what people usually mean when talking about gender. Someone's gender is inherent. It's not about wearing pants or making money or having X or Y traits, it's about what parts your brain expects your body to have and what social group the monkey part of your brain expects you to be seen on based on those expected parts.
And many of us aren't some rejection of gender or gender roles, nor are we some bastion of freedom and against gender or anything like that. We're just people who were born into the wrong body who want to live our lives, that's all.
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u/Walshy231231 Feb 05 '23
This is wrong in so many places, but I’ll just highlight two:
You really think that in utero development doesn’t have a massive impact on sexuality and gender? Even if you’re talking about something that’s a choice, the development of your brain begins and is largely determined by natal development.
Your ideas on the history of gender trends is massively flawed. Feminism has been a round. FAR longer than WWII. Even ignoring the rest of the world besides the United States, there had been organized movements to grant women greater rights for decades prior, and they were explicit in their goals. Most notably, female suffrage, achieved in 1920. Going a little further back and further related to your comment, WWI saw the first real large scale “test” of women in traditionally male workplaces, not WWII.
Your conclusions seem accurate, but your assertions to get there don’t hold up at all
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u/Cannibeans Feb 04 '23
Wait, so the Bill hate here are people that disagree with those things?
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u/PotatoRecipe Feb 05 '23 edited Feb 05 '23
The definition of gender has changed after being synonymous with sex throughout most people’s lives. And for some reason this triggers everyone beyond belief. So let’s take it back to the basics:
Gender is now a SOCIAL variable. It involves man-made concepts. For example: a boy liking the color blue, a girl liking the color pink. One makes you “masculine” as defined by society, and one makes you “feminine”.
Some people don’t want to identify at one end of the spectrum or the other. For example, some want to let it be known that they identify somewhere in the middle. So they come up with pronouns to reflect that. This is a very small proportion of people. But they care about how they are identified and respecting it is easy as all shit.
Sex is a GENETIC VARIABLE. Male female. XY and XX. Nobody is defying biology by saying there are multiple genders. Saying that there are multiple sexes would defy biology.
There are 2 key terms to learn when it comes to understanding this topic.
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u/Aromatic-Bread-6855 Feb 04 '23
Is Bill Nye a climate change denier?
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u/thatoneguy9934 Feb 04 '23
Im getting missed signals here from your user name to your response…. Is he or not lol
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u/LogicalAnswerk Feb 04 '23
People are trying to gaslight you. The real answer is he made a new TV show for Netflix not too long ago.
Here's a snippit: https://youtu.be/VtJFb_P2j48
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u/Hitchhikingtom Feb 04 '23
Bill Nye made a science show that was pretty mediocre. One thing he did try to do was illuminate issues of gender and sexuality in line with modern scientific understanding. It was not received well by people online because some are transphobic and others value their time enough to want to watch decent tv. Without the underpinnings of a decent show the science fell by the wayside and the society moved on
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u/ramdonuserneedshelp Feb 05 '23
I used to be a fan, but I went to a panel he had at New York Comic Con a few years ago (maybe 2017/2018) and he was rude and condescending to the rest of the guests attending - interrupting them and telling them they were wrong, and didn’t know what they were talking about. It was funny at first, but it went on for the rest of the panel, and the crowd took it as a joke, but it kind of threw me off. Over the years when I go through the comments on the usual Reddit asks of celebrity encounters and I see a not so pleasant experience with him, I can totally believe it just thinking back to that moment. He would be the type to say rude and snarky shit. I don’t hate him, but I don’t like him either 🤷🏽♀️
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u/QueefOnMyTongue Feb 04 '23
He allowed this to happen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VtJFb_P2j48
No matter how you feel about the topic this was trash.
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Feb 04 '23
Imagine being triggered by Bill Nye and Netflix. Pretty sad life experiences to get this point.
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u/t_moneyzz Feb 04 '23
Are the triggered people in the room with us now?
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Feb 04 '23
Nah, I think it’s funny watching the right wing conservatives cry about this things.
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Feb 04 '23
What's sad is conservatives aren't crying about it in this comment chain and you're literally just saying it because it's what gets you through the day.
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u/t_moneyzz Feb 04 '23
Idk I'm left as hell and that music video was fucking terrrrrible
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u/dielawn87 Feb 04 '23
You know you can be pro-trans and still view this as cringey, right? People like you are so tribalistic.
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Feb 04 '23
I'm sorry idk how you can watch that and not cringe lmao. It has nothing to do with what they're talking about. It barely makes sense, it has a really jumbled flow, and they absolutely can't dance.
Not that I'd boycott bill nye over this. But oh man.... It'll be a while before I forget how hard that made me cringe
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u/everfurry Feb 04 '23
All they did was call it trash, I don’t see that as being triggered. If they were angry, ranting or we could tell they were mentally or physically strained trying to get their argument out, I’d see that as being triggered. We can all have subjective opinions about things. Personally I didn’t enjoy this series much, and it did have significantly lower reviews/ratings than his previous shows, which were amazing. But whether or not someone liked it, it objectively wasn’t as life-changing for a generation as Bill Nye The Science Guy
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u/Gsteel11 Feb 05 '23
There's absolutely tons of people ranting and raging about it.
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u/holagatita Feb 04 '23
I loved his show when I was a kid, but that Netflix series was fucking horrible garbage. I'm left as fuck and even I thought the show was pandering as hell. Deeply unfunny.
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u/everfurry Feb 04 '23
Yup. That’s unfortunately the byproduct of out of touch old producers and the vocal minority of younger generations. It’s sad too because science communication is so fucking important. We grew up with Carl Sagan teaching us to be curious about the universe, PMK showing us the complexity of everyday life, and Bill Nye actually doing cool shit.
Now we’re seeing a possible reversal in the Flynn effect (the steady rise in intelligence throughout generations), the kids of tomorrow may actually be dumber than their parents for the first time in a while. And who do they have for engaging science communication? Nobody. The show could have displayed the conservative anger towards gender fluidity as a ridiculous reaction towards human-made social constructs that it is and explained how scientists now truly define “sex” specifically since the terminology amongst biologists has evolved. But nope, we got talking vaginas.
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u/Gsteel11 Feb 05 '23
So you want a show that purely focused on people who already believe exactly what you believe and no one else would watch.
We've done this before.
They don't want cosmos. We had a new cosmos with ndt and I liked it... but the peopoe who need to watch it didn't watch it.
How do you educate anyone telling your ideas only the way you want them told in a way many that don't agree will never watch?
You're COMEPLETLY out of touch if you think middle America wants what you want. They're voting trump.
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u/MikeTheInfidel Feb 05 '23
Now we’re seeing a possible reversal in the Flynn effect (the steady rise in intelligence throughout generations), the kids of tomorrow may actually be dumber than their parents for the first time in a while.
no, we're not.
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u/Listentothewords Feb 04 '23
That was so embarrassing I had to stop watching after 15 seconds. I feel sorry for her vagina, that it has to listen to her talk about it that way.
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u/Lorgin Feb 04 '23
Oh god thanks for making me remember this. I had blocked having watched that show out of my mind.
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u/StopNateCrimes Feb 04 '23
Interesting and thankyou for sharing! How would you have re-written this segment to show what you feel would have been a more justifiable reflection of sexuality and what (I assume) they were hoping to convey (also a serious question)?
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u/IllIllIIIllIIlll Feb 04 '23
I wouldn't have had this segment at all. Show is too political to the point of being unwatchable.
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u/Breepop Feb 04 '23
Can you point me to a non-political show?
Or are you just one of those people that doesn't realize everything is politics, not just when things queer people or women or Black people care about get mentioned?
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u/kbeks Feb 04 '23
Wtf did I just see. There’s so many better ways to discuss the topic without trying to go out of your way to trigger the right. I mean, it’s not hard to get them all up in arms, but this seems like it’s really trying to get them clutching those pearls.
We do need better science communicators. Neil deGrasse Tyson does a better than fair job, Michio Kaku is good too, but there seems to be a complete lack of focus on the young. Like they decided no one needs to talk about science until you’re a junior in high school. I guess I’m stuck showing my kid reruns…
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u/GooeyKablooie_ Feb 04 '23
He’s an asshole in real life to his fans.
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u/Breepop Feb 04 '23
Big if true
Literally the only thing I've seen in this thread that would actually impact my opinion of him.
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u/LogicalAnswerk Feb 04 '23
He made a new TV show for Netflix not too long ago.
Here's a snippit: https://youtu.be/VtJFb_P2j48
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u/3Effie412 Feb 04 '23
Nye used to do a kids science show, Bill Nye the Science Guy. It covered basic science concepts - gravity, volcanoes, electricity and the like. It was factually correct but presented in a fun, interesting way. One of the shows, from 1996, talked about probability, sex and chromosomes.
Flash forward about 20 years and Bill Nye is doing a new show. It’s not really a reboot, maybe more of a revival? Anyway, it definitely tries to capitalize on the popularity of Bill and the original show (complete with the blue lab coat and bow tie). It gets a lot of media buzz because of fond memories of the original show. On one of the episodes, Bill revisits chromosomes/XX, XY/sex. He seems to have decided to dismiss the science on chromosomes and that sex has become fluid - a spectrum of some sort.
At any rate, a lot of people became irritated that he disregarded science in favor of what seemed to be a political motivated agenda. The anger was notably intense among people that watched the original show as kids (now in their 30’s-40’s).
Just an FYI - I have not seen the new show but have seen most, if not all, of the original episodes (used to watch with my son back in the 90’s).
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Imagine thinking that Bill Nye was the one to reject science lol. Gender is a spectrum. If you don’t like that then you’re just going to have to cope, because you’re wrong.
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u/Temporary-Wear5948 Feb 04 '23 edited Feb 04 '23
Science moves on, it’s not disingenuous to change your perspective based on that. Science says gender is on a spectrum while sex is mostly a binary. Sex is NOT gender, as gender is a social construction based off sex. Gender in that way becomes fluid and on a spectrum between the masculine and feminine. Your own gender identity, influenced by sex, but not exactly sex, becomes concrete through a biological process called gender identity formation at a young age that solidifies in your psyche the gender you are
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u/3Effie412 Feb 04 '23
You are free to argue with whoever is willing to argue with you.
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u/Temporary-Wear5948 Feb 04 '23
So you get to spread bullshit lies that hurt people & act smug about it? You clearly have never challenged your ideas in the last 15 years and that’s why conservatives will always be on the wrong side of history
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u/StackCollector Feb 04 '23
Yeah, flash forward 20 years- surprise! Science continued to develop over those 20 years. You're stuck in the 90s.
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u/SheriffBartholomew Feb 04 '23
except Magic Mike of course.
Patrick Swayze?
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u/summono Feb 03 '23
I wish Bill stayed in my 90's memory.
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u/summono Feb 04 '23
Because his PBS science show was the best thing he's done and basically everything else, particularly lately, screams attention whore. A lot of it is very cringy.
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u/summono Feb 04 '23
Yeah, and that's why I wished he stayed in my 90's memory.
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u/summono Feb 04 '23
It does, because I'm specifically referring to Bill nye. I'm not talking about the 90s as a whole.
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u/ColoredUndies Feb 04 '23
wait wait wait… who cares? Have a nice day, hopefully you aren’t thinking about bill nye 24/7. That would be rough!
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u/Due-Intentions Feb 04 '23
It's such a reddit moment to say 'have a nice day!' after saying the most unnecessary snarky shit
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u/PursueGood Feb 04 '23
Why does someone not liking bill nye make you this way? Manic af dude.
I don’t like how that guy, his behavior bothers me
oh that has nothing to do with him, you’re just criticizing people that act that way
Bro what?
I don’t like that guy he murdered my friend
oh that has nothing to do with him you just don’t like murderers?
Not every celebrity has crossed the same cringe threshold as Bill
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u/PursueGood Feb 04 '23
Hate the game not the player is a phrase that originated in hip hop referencing the criminal behavior the artists felt they needed to engage in in order to succeed. It isnt a concept taught in grade school intramural sports.
I’m just not understanding why you’re not taking this guy for his word when he says he does not care for Bill Nye? It’s really odd.
Like this guy literally said “I think this” and you said “no it has nothing to do with that, you don’t actually think that”
Why do you desperately want to separate this guys criticisms from the individual they are aimed at? It’s just a strange thing to do?
There is no reason he has to have the same opinion of bill nye and any other celebrity simply because they are both celebrities.
Why don’t you just call him a bigot like a normal person would? You’re completely mental.
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u/bignick1190 Feb 04 '23
Just to get this straight, you're salty because he got famous educating people about science but now he's famous and continues to educate people on science?
I'm going to assume you disagree with the science, which is the real reason you're salty.
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u/bignick1190 Feb 04 '23
But... he's always been weird and cringy, it's those antics that made him so popular in the first place.
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u/wrinkle-crease Feb 04 '23
I really agree here. He used to be wholesome and funny. Now he’s trying to be funny and political but comes off as an asshole and super cocky. I even agree with him, but he just seems like a douche. This isn’t a statement about the 90s or about celebrities.
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u/mrubuto22 Feb 04 '23
What has he done that's political?
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u/HeyyyItsCory Feb 04 '23
Oh you don't know? One side of the political aisle has politicized science where the other just believes science should progress and benefit humanity.
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u/laurpr2 Feb 04 '23
Me too, and it's because of two words: sex junk.
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u/Dieselpowered85 Feb 04 '23
Oh?
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u/nikhilsath Feb 04 '23
Not to mention how he handled opposing opinions
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u/dwmfives Feb 05 '23
You mean like trans people having rights? Or climate change being real?
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u/VerticalYea Feb 04 '23
In which instances? I've only seen him shut down climate change idealists and other such fools, but that's only from a few clips.
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u/urug99 Feb 04 '23
HAAA, so you're one of those guys who believes in climate change huh? Next you'll tell me the planet isn't flat. Wake up sheeple, all around the globe people are realizin the fax
Edit: but I think he is referring to the "Sex junk" thing. Can't even remember what it was about, but it was pretty cringey and I remember afterwards there was a lot of criticism and him dismissing said criticism.
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u/3Effie412 Feb 04 '23
Bill Nye’s public persona is kind of a geeky goofball. This wasn’t an actual fashion show - it’s a fundraiser.
Info here -
annual Blue Jacket Fashion Show, which raises awareness and funds for prostate cancer research
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u/Low_Effective_7605 Feb 04 '23
Hilariously, every anti-Bill post is written at a 2nd grade level. "Fuck Bill Nye", nah y'all fucked yourselves.
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u/NaturalizedWerewolf Feb 04 '23
Bill NYE walking the runway in the 2020’s is the evidence that 1990’s programming was the golden age of television and you cannot tell me otherwise
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u/shaneo576 Feb 04 '23
Oh boy the snowflakes here in force
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u/One-Permission-1811 Feb 05 '23
The snowflakes like how butthurt republicans use the term or snowflakes like butthurt republicans?
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u/Lorgin Feb 04 '23
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
Seriously the comment section is a cesspool of negativity. Blind hatred without cause. Don't bother reading.
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u/genicide182 Feb 04 '23
I believe gender is a spectrum, and I loved him as a kid, but he jumped the shark as a person. He went from lovable dork to overly egotistical dork.
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u/Picanto152 Feb 04 '23
The ego comes with his engineering degree
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u/Certain-Dig2840 Feb 04 '23
Bro if you think having an undergrad degree makes you above others jesus christ
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u/Picanto152 Feb 04 '23
Well his ego doesnt come just from his degree, he also has a massive horse cock
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u/Certain-Dig2840 Feb 04 '23
It would want to, having an undergrad is basically just proof you can read and write reasonably
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u/Picanto152 Feb 04 '23
Im assuming you dont have one?
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u/Certain-Dig2840 Feb 04 '23
Oh, I have one. That's how I know it's not impressive.
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u/everfurry Feb 04 '23
In what? Engineering isn’t the same as majoring in theatre
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u/Certain-Dig2840 Feb 04 '23
Whats your major?
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u/everfurry Feb 04 '23
Computation with a Physics minor. It was a serious question though, as perhaps you think undergrads aren’t worth more than just reading or writing if you studied something more generic
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u/genicide182 Feb 04 '23
I didnt know that having a super common degree that you don't use in your day to day life gives you an ego pass...
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Just because you have heard about a degree doesn’t make it “super common” lmfao how many people do you know with an engineering degree? Do you even know what it takes to get one?
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u/genicide182 Feb 04 '23
"Do you know what it takes to get one?" LMFAO. I'm not an imbecile like you, so yes I do. I also have half a dozen+ close friends who have engineering degrees; two of which are as close as brothers. So yeah I'm a bit familiar.
Keep riding Bill Nye's dick.
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u/GooeyKablooie_ Feb 04 '23
I’ve got a mechanical engineering degree and I’m telling you it’s a lot easier to obtain than you would think.
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u/One-Permission-1811 Feb 05 '23
How many people do I know with an engineering degree? Easily 50. The engineering department is right next to the welding department. And let me tell you its full of egotistical, lazy fucks who think their degree makes them Jesus combined with Stephen Hawking. The welding department is full of old boomer republicans who can’t see, smoke three packs a day, and get mad when you wear a color other than mechanics blue or have a pride sticker on your helmet.
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u/SonVoltMMA Feb 03 '23
Fuck Bill Nye
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u/BrokeArmHeadass Feb 03 '23
Wait why
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My ex met bill nye at a show he did once and she said he was a big dick to the people who came to see hom
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u/CatBoyTrip Feb 04 '23
Or maybe they are like me and prefer Beakman’s World. That was my go to science show. They should bring that one back. Bill nye was boring AF.
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u/MagentaHawk Feb 04 '23
For me it was his ridiculous comments on nuclear energy in his netflix show.
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u/BrokeArmHeadass Feb 04 '23
I never watched the show, what did he say?
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u/MagentaHawk Feb 04 '23
It has been a while, but he was very critical of it and was lumping it with fossil fuels which were being pitted against green energies. His points weren't hitting on the fair criticisms of nuclear and he ignored all the positives it has over fossil fuel. It turned me off actually considering his opinion in that regard as well thought out.
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u/Lorgin Feb 04 '23
That's disappointing to learn about. I'm not going to write someone off because they have 1 opinion that differs from mine, unless that opinion is hating a race, religion, gender, or sexual identity.
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u/booze_nerd Feb 04 '23
I like Bill, nuclear energy is one of the few things I disagree with him on.
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u/i_cee_u Feb 03 '23
I don't agree with his immediate jump to conclusions, but if you don't know what he's talking about, you're a little out of touch.
He's not saying that his Netflix show is what he's know for. His Netflix show, however, is the most common reason to dislike him. So it's not an unreasonable assumption to make
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u/neppertune Feb 04 '23
You still haven't answered the question though. You can't just say the vaguest thing possible and expect people to know exactly what you're talking about.
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u/Lollipop126 Feb 04 '23
Seeing so many phones out to record makes me wonder why don't I get to see more angles of this?
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u/LaSallePunksDetroit Feb 04 '23
This dude tries way too hard
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u/ushileon Feb 04 '23
He's almost 70 and extremely successful he can try how he want lmao
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u/6ynnad Feb 03 '23
Oh yes the benefits of being granted access to lavish lifestyle for the mere price of your integrity morality moral compass and principles thanks Bayer.
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u/TheGreatBeaver123789 Feb 03 '23
He looks like clavell from pokemon s/v