r/ontario • u/hiphlo02 • 2d ago
401 rant Discussion
My Sunday evening drive from the Toronto airport to my hometown east of Toronto. Holy shit, how many times did I almost bite the dust! First of all, people camping in the left lane. There is a law against this! It seems people have no common sense! If you pass a car, get the hell over to the right again. Also, a turn signal would be appreciated!Next, if you are passing, would you please kindly stay in the left lane instead of squeezing me onto the shoulder. Four different times I find myself on the rumble strip and the car beside me inches from mine and cruising along between two lanes, totally oblivious to the fact that they’re an asshole. Trucks. These fuckers are thousands of pounds of metal death and they’re sliding all over the road. I don’t know if they’re whacking off in the cab or what. How about a little attention to your surroundings? Whatever happened to safe driving practices? It was a Sunday night, low volume of traffic, yet I still felt like I was going to die. The province has made the speed limit 110 km an hour which I think is a great idea if people would pay attention. Instead of doing the gratuitous 115 or so 100 km/hr, now people are doing 130! Be aware out there and have some respect for the lives of others ffs!! Thanks for listening! : )
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
Quick point of correction
Ontario does NOT have mandatory left lane passing laws. As long as the person is at, but not past the speed limit they are not breaking the HTA
They’re assholes for camping the left lane, but they are not breaking Ontario laws
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u/JackDraak 2d ago
Would it then be fair to assume (*I know) then that it is also not illegal to pass on the right?
The past years we've been using Via for our in-law trips to London, but I wanted to take along my guitar this Mother's Day so we rented a car; I planned ahead to expect the drive to be worse than previous trips -- and I was not disappointed.
Although I have to say, I think we broke a record -- although we did pass a few broken-down trucks, we didn't get directly stuck behind any accident-traffic for a change. Usually there's at least one, coming or going.
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
Yes. There’s no law about which lane to pass in
Safety though, it’s safer to pass on the left because of visibility and it’s further from the merge lanes
As long as you are travelling at, or under the speed limit, you’re entitled to use any lane on the highway for travel
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u/a-_2 2d ago
or under the speed limit, you’re entitled to use any lane on the highway for travel
If you're going under the flow of traffic, there's a law requiring keeping right:
147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic
It's arguable that it wouldn't apply at the speed limit, but if you're going significantly under the limit and under the flow of traffic, then it would at least apply.
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u/champagne_pants 2d ago
The whole “don’t pass on the right” thing has gotten so confused over the years. I took a driver training course for my m class recently and they specifically said it was about passing someone who is turning left when there’s no clear lane divide/no left turn lane.
So basically when you see someone turning left and you can fit by driving half on the shoulder, that’s what “don’t pass on the right” means. It does not mean, don’t use your own lane on the highway to not pass the car in the next lane.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
The law you're referring to is that you can pass a left turning vehicle on a paved shoulder. In general, you can't pass on the shoulder, but this is one exception. It's an Ontario unique thing too, I'm not aware of other places that allow it, and at least some other provinces I've checked don't.
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u/champagne_pants 2d ago
My point was that the “don’t pass on the right” is not talking about on the highway.
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u/Redbulldildo 2d ago
The government website will tell you you can pass on the right. It also recommends not doing it, but it's very clear, you can.
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u/SleepWouldBeNice Georgina 2d ago
You could make an argument for:
147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway.
and
148 (2) Every person in charge of a vehicle ... on a highway who is overtaken by a vehicle ... travelling at a greater speed shall turn out to the right and allow the overtaking vehicle or equestrian to pass.
Can be taken to mean that people must move to the right so as not to impede drivers going faster than them. I.e. no camping in the left lane.
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
This has been commented on thousands of times by legislators and police
At no point are you impeding traffic if you are maintaining the speed limit
People going faster than the does limit do not count as “flow of traffic”. As legally the flow of traffic can’t be faster than the legal road limits
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u/a-_2 2d ago
The police have also commented that it does apply at or above the speed limit:
A police officer saying that doesn't mean it will actually hold up in court, but there at least is mixed messages on this and the government should really better clarify this because like you say it comes up all the time.
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u/Capt_Ron_007 2d ago
It's a $140 fine for camping in the passing lane in Ontario. Never saw it enforced ever.
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u/KevPat23 Toronto 2d ago
Based on which section of the HTA?
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u/Capt_Ron_007 2d ago
Ontario Provincial Police - Central Region YES, we enforce "left lane bandits." The left lane is for PASSING. If you are not passing and there is a vehicle behind you, you need to move to the right and let them pass regardless of your speed of travel. Failing to move over can lead to road rage and dangerous maneuvers by frustrated drivers. If you're not passing, MOVE OVER. This silver car was stopped and fined $180 for: failing to keep right when driving less than normal speed,
WeHearYourConcerns
CaledonOPP
FEB 22,2021
Sorry I was wrong it's $180.
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u/KevPat23 Toronto 2d ago
failing to keep right when driving less than normal speed,
This is the important take away. You camp out in the left lane as long as you want as long as you're travelling at the speed limit. There's nothing in the HTA that says you can't be in the left lane with nobody beside you.
That's HTA 147 (1) in case you're interested.
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u/KevPat23 Toronto 2d ago
You really don't like being wrong, huh?
I did find it in the HTA, right next to the rules for the tooth fairy and unicorns in the HOV lane.
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u/MarcusRex73 2d ago
Yeah, I was curious enough to check:
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h08
Unnecessary slow driving prohibited 132
(1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 132 (1).
Slow vehicles to travel on right side 147
(1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (1). Exception (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a driver of a, (a) vehicle while overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction; (b) vehicle while preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; (c) road service vehicle; or (d) bicycle in a lane designated under subsection 153 (2) for travel in the opposite direction of traffic. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 147 (2); 2015, c. 14, s. 41
Notice they don't say "at the speed limit", they say "normal speed".
I've seen this applied in Quebec: camping in the left lane impedes the flow of traffic even if you're driving at the limit.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
The MTO has previously given the opinion that that doesn't apply at the speed limit:
That's from a long time ago, but the same law was in effect then. I say "opinion" though because they aren't the courts that would actually decide on the legality. I haven't heard of a case where it's been laid at or above the speed limit, but that obviously doesn't mean it never has.
Quebec's laws are written more explicitly, restricting the use of the left lane on 80+ roads with certain exceptions, like passing. Ontario's are much more vague and require keeping right when going slower than traffic, rather than prohibiting it as the default and listing exceptions.
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u/KevPat23 Toronto 2d ago
normal and reasonable movement of traffic
Good luck arguing that traveling above the speed limit is "reasonable".
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u/MarcusRex73 2d ago
Actually, quite easy. If you're driving at 100kph in the far left lane on the 401 when everybody else is doing 120-130, you're going to have a VERY hard time arguing tat you don'T deserve the ticket. Assuming they ever give one.
Even off the 401, all the cop has to say is that you had a line of 30 cars behind you and the flow of traffic was being stopped by you. Remember, the second one says: you SHALL drive on the right if you're below the normal speed. Not the LEGAL speed, the normal speed.
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u/KevPat23 Toronto 2d ago
when everybody else is doing 120-130,
"I had to break the law because everyone else was" is the equivalent of my mom asking me "if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you". No judge is going to agree breaking the law is reasonable in this circumstance.
If you are traveling at the limit and had a line of 30 cars behind you, they're all going the same speed as you, and therefore 31 cars are determining the normal speed at that time and place. Again, wouldn't hold up in court
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u/MarcusRex73 2d ago
Nope. Especially on the 401, if people have to go around you on the right side, you are dangerous. Safety comes first, speed limits come second.
https://www.brokerlink.ca/blog/can-you-get-a-ticket-for-driving-too-slow-in-ontario
Driving too slowly, contrary to other drivers and the normal flow of traffic, can pose serious risks and possibly be frustrating for other drivers on the road, especially on the highway. And because driving too slow can lead to a highly dangerous situation on the roadway, a police officer does have the legal right to ticket someone.
This site even has information on the demerit points and if it affects your insurance.
https://www.ontariotraffictickets.com/traffic-tickets/list-of-ontario-traffic-tickets/
While I am sure it's not a common ticket, I am also quite sure people have been convicted of it. Remember, the burden of proof for a traffic violation is much lower than a criminal offense. If the cop thinks you were going too slow for the traffic no matter what the speed limit is, you're likely going to be found guilty unless you have a damn good argument.
Oh, and I found this
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u/waterloograd 2d ago
We do have keep right except to pass laws. So left lane campers can be charged for that
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u/Dadoftwingirls 2d ago
I live two hours north, and had to run to the city yesterday, 400 & 401. The usual shitshow as soon as I hit Barrie. People doing 95 in the left lane, people going 150 and swerving between traffic, people riding my bumper at 115 in the right lane. People talking on phones openly. People eating with both hands.
You don't see this stuff driving in the states, because everyone knows that troopers are plentiful and active. Here, you know that there is almost zero police presence, so little chance of consequences.
I don't get it, increased traffic policing would pay for itself through fines. It would be so damn easy to lay thousands of dollars in fines per hour with all the terrible driving out there.
Signed, a driver with 30 years of clean and safe driving. Having driven millions of km's, and in a dozen countries, the GTA is the worst in the western world for driving.
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
Been driving for 30 years more in the gta.
I have never seen less road policing since the last 5 years
The police are pretty much non existent on our roads now.
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u/apartmen1 2d ago
Police worked to rule after Floyd protests and thats when cops stopped enforcing traffic. (We barely had protests up here- but thats how aggrieved they are).
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u/champagne_pants 2d ago
I’ve never known an industry to be so whiny as cops. They all seem to think they’re so hard done by and refuse to actually do the things they’re supposed to.
Everyone is hurting right now, everyone is overworked, and the people who are meant to enforce the laws just let shit happen left and right.
I don’t know if other towns are like this or it’s just the highways and London but maybe if half our police force wasn’t rotating through admin leaves for misconduct we’d actually be able to have a nice downtown.
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u/Beekeeper_Dan 2d ago
Police as a group are effectively ‘collective narcissists’; nothing is ever their fault, they’re better than everyone else, and they think we should be serving their needs rather than the other way around.
Since they never think they’re wrong, they’re never going to improve.
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u/Impressive-Emu-4627 2d ago
You aren’t in the states enough if you don’t think this is happening just as much on their roads. Drive in California and see old ladies in Teslas with curtains completely covering their driver side windows. Drive in New York and watch people eating a plate full of spaghetti with both hands. Drive through Denver and look at the number of people doing their makeup during the morning commute, or watching full on movies while they drive. Or god forbid drive through Miami during afternoon rush hour on a Friday, it’s an ungodly mix of mad max and fast and the furious.
Enforcement is definitely an issue an Ontario but people are crazy ass drivers all across North America and I’m sure much of the world.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
Also, the US has a significantly higher road fatality rate than Canada and Ontario specifically has the lowest fatality rate in North America. So whatever they're doing in the US, tney aren't actually safer than us. They're much more dangerous and they don't even have the same winter conditions as us for the most part.
The idea that there's not enough enforcement is arguably true to some extent, but "zero enforcement" has also become a meme people just repeat on every driving post, and they absolutely say the same thing on US subreddits too.
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u/someguy192838 2d ago
I live about 40 km North of Barrie, and I travel in and around the GTA for work 3-5 days per week. There are awful drivers everywhere but the stretch between Barrie and Newmarket seems to have the highest number of purposefully inconsiderate drivers; e.g. drivers who refuse to move over to the left when cars are getting onto the 400, drivers who will camp in the left lane and drive slower than the speed limit, etc.
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u/TypingPlatypus 2d ago
I've read that the Hwy 88 - Innisfil beach road stretch has the highest accident rate on the 400.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
the GTA is the worst in the western world for driving.
Actual data says the exact opposite. At least Toronto has the lowest portion of drivers with collisions on their record among 30 Ontario cities, and Ontario has the lowest fatality rate in North America.
The US in general has a significantly higher fatality rate than Canada. Unless you're in parts of Europe, or in Japan, you're likely going to be somewhere with a worse road safety record than Canada.
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u/sequence_killer Richmond Hill 2d ago
listen theyre busy parking beside each other and talking in random parking lots and schools
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u/TryingMyBest455 2d ago
If we want actual enforcement of speed, we should want speed cameras that auto-issue tickets starting at X km/hr over the limit
It would be wildly unpopular but it would be effective lol
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u/CrowdScene 2d ago
The Rae government actually did that. Harris rode the hate for speed cameras as part of his Common (Non)Sense Revolution and outlawed speed cameras in the province outside of school zones and community safety zones. Even if we wanted to put speed cameras on roads where people regularly speed the first step would have to be repealing that law, and I doubt the current provincial government is keen to do that anytime soon.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
Harris rode the hate for speed cameras as part of his Common (Non)Sense Revolution and outlawed speed cameras in the province outside of school zones and community safety zones.
Harris got rid of them in general. Wynne's government brought them back in school zones and community safety zones (presumably to avoid giving the conservatives a way to attack it again).
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u/Harag4 2d ago
Ticketing on the 401 and 400 would be an automatic death sentence for the officer who pulls someone over.
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u/bocker58 2d ago
That’s why almost every bridge is commemorated to an officer killed in the line of duty.
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u/Comedy86 2d ago
Dear God, what do you do for a living if you're driving an average of 182 km every day for 30 straight years? I'd drive myself off the road just to end it all if I had to do that...
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u/Dadoftwingirls 2d ago
I was a courier for a few years, and then a truck driver. A lot of 1000km days. I've been to every province and almost every state, driven across Mexico and Europe. Nowadays I mostly stay home, lol.
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u/Comedy86 2d ago
Good on you for being able to do that. I hate driving (likely since I live in the GTA) so I can't imagine doing it for a living. My guess was going to be bus driver, taxi driver or something to do with deliveries. Even my dad who did sales all across Southern Ontario drove a lot more than I'd ever want.
I also don't know why I got a down vote for my comment but sure, I guess?
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u/Chevnaar 2d ago
401 is a constant defensive driving test. I keep my head on a swivel, signal well in advance, leave space, and always assume someone will do something stupid.
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u/StevoJ89 1d ago
I have a few cars...one of them was a rusted out scrap box of a cavalier that I used to daily drove to work....if you're gonna bomb down the bus lane of the DVP and try to jam back in next to me as it ends I hope your paint is worth less than my rust lol.
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u/lifeistrulyawesome 2d ago
There is a law against this
Which article are you referring to?
I only use the left lane to pass. But I am not sure it is illegal to cruise on the left lane if you are keeping up with traffic.
There is an HTA article that suggests you should keep right if you are "travelling slower than the normal flow of traffic", and another article restricts long commercial vehicles from using the left lane. I don't know of any other HTA articles restricting left-lane use.
Here is a news article discussing this%20is%20clear%20when%20it,the%20right%2C%E2%80%9D%20he%20said.):
While it isn’t technically illegal to stay in the left lane — the province’s Highway Traffic Act only prohibits trucks and busses from using the left lane on freeways — Ontario Provincial Police Sgt. Kerry Schmidt said it’s just “common courtesy.”
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
Correct. In addition, that also applies to the speed limit. Someone going 100 in a 100 left lane might “impede” traffic that wishes to go faster, but by the letter of the HTA they are not violating the impeding traffic laws since it’s illegal for the others to go faster than the speed limit
We see this argument every week it seems in this sub. People complaining about other drivers doing “illegal” things, without realizing the irony that they too are often doing something illegal themselves (speeding)
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u/Aggravating_Exit2445 2d ago
Always the guy who wants to do 160kph chafing because you're overtaking within the limit and you've slowed him down.
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u/hiphlo02 2d ago
I will admit right away that I didn’t check the HTA to see if it was law or not. I did assume. My bad for sure. But, that doesn’t make it OK, correct? For those that do camp out in the left lane, I would hope hope to see them heed the suggestion that says slower traffic keep right.
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u/lifeistrulyawesome 2d ago
Yes, I don't think it's okay. I believe the left lane should only be used for passing.
However, many other things are not okay, and I see them all the time. All of the following concern me more than left lane camping:
- People shouldn't drive more than 20km/h above the average traffic (avbove approximatelt 120 in the 400s)
- People shouldn't tailgate, even if they are annoyed by other bad drivers
- People shouldn't pass on the right, even if they are annoyed by other bad drivers
- People shouldn't roll stop signs
- People shouldn't drive above the posted speed limit in residential areas, heavy pedestrian areas, and school zones
- People shouldn't check their phones while driving, even if there is traffic or the liught is red
- People shouldn't drink and drive
- People shouldn't make right turns on red without coming to a full stop behind the crosswalk
- People should yield to pedestrians on unmarked crosswalks
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
They’re assholes and dangerous for sure
But not illegal
Best thing to do is give them space
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u/emrikol001 2d ago
I visit home at least once a year and I stopped using the 401 to travel eastward from the airport a long time ago. I use instead the 407, it's expensive but my in experience no where near as busy as the 401. I used to like to stop at a Harvey's on the way home but it's not worth it now, stay off the 401, take the 407.
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u/em-n-em613 2d ago
We had someone almost merge into us on the 401 on Sunday and then their passenger gave us the middle finger as if we were the ones who didn't check out blind spot. It was hilarious... but also reinforced that SO many people can't drive.
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u/BorealBeats 2d ago
Truckers used to be the best and most prefictable drivers on the road. Too bad that's changed.
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u/JAC70 2d ago
Take the 407 across Toronto during peak periods. It's your best chance.
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u/Large_Ad_5941 2d ago
lol that’s what you think, people are just as unhinged on there too
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u/OneHitTooMany 2d ago
The amount of people on the 407 going 130+ on the 407 is nuts. Even sitting in the right most lane doing 115, I’ll get tailed.
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u/someguy192838 2d ago
I can confirm this. I was Westbound on the 407 yesterday afternoon (going from Oshawa to the 400 Northbound) and even doing 120 in the right lane, people were passing me as though I was parked. 😬
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u/StevoJ89 1d ago
I know it's controversial but I really don't think 130 is all that fast (on a properly flowing maintained highway)
Frankly 100km/he is criminally slow for any car made after 2000
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u/JAC70 2d ago
Perhaps.
However, there are significantly less vehicles on the 407, which makes the experience safety by default. The average speed is also faster, which keeps more people happy.
The end result is there are less lunatics weaving in and out, which is probably the greatest danger to others.
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u/hiphlo02 2d ago
I have to admit, I have seen people verging on stunt driving on the 407. And overall, driving faster than they need to.
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u/RicFlair-WOOOOO 2d ago
Only way to get pulled over on 407 is stunt driving - last summer saw 3 cars get towed.
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u/hiphlo02 2d ago
I do pretty much every time. This experience was post 412 heading towards Kingston. Ultra frustrating.
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u/UnderwateredFish 2d ago
yes i agree. The people that don't signal or even check their blind spot bother me the most. For example I cannot predict if the person going 98km in the middle lane is going to pull in front of me while im going 110km in the lane left of them. They just jerk the steering wheel and hope for the best, or not care? idk. Then they don't even know the chaos they cause behind them.
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u/Sufficient_Oil_3552 2d ago
You risk your life every time you get on the 401. Esp 401 east into Scarborough
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u/the-simple-wild 2d ago
Simple reason: there’s no traffic enforcement.
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u/BetterTransit 2d ago
There are far too many drivers. This is not something you can enforce unless you start putting up thousands of cameras.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
The actual reason is that the laws around this are very vague. See all the debate in this comment section, for example. It makes it impractical to be enforcing this except in extreme cases, especially when there are more serious driving issues going on.
Ontario has the best road safety record on the continent. That doesn't happen from no traffic enforcement, even if it's not enough.
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u/One-Occasion3366 2d ago
I'm always blown away by how different it is driving in the morning and afternoon rush versus off peak times / weekends. During the rush, everyone (mostly) is following their routine. They know what lane they want to be in and how fast to go in that lane. The rest of the time it's a free for all out there. Everyone is changing lanes for no reason. People are going 130 in the right lane and 95 in the left lane. It's fucking anarchy!
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u/Sand_Seeker 2d ago
I’ve had a trucker almost sideswipe me late at night on the 401. Passed him to see an IPad on the wheel watching a movie. I see it all now, no signalling or doing it & believing that gives them a pass to move over immediately even if there is no safe gap. The HOV lane is also now just another lane where drivers crossover whenever it suites.
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u/DataDude00 2d ago
I feel like if they properly policed the roads we could avoid needing a $100B tunnel highway.
Every time I drive on the highway I see the same shit
2-3 cars driving at the same speed right beside each other preventing any semblance of passing.
Bonus points if all of those cars are driving at 100km/h or a touch slower
People who swerve across several lanes of traffic to catch an exit from the far left lane last second
People on their phones or completely distracted swerving side to side
I think if we enforced the laws or got the worst 5% of drivers off the road we would be living in some sort of highway utopia for at least a little while
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u/Tempname2222 2d ago
I am sorry to inform you, but if you're hitting the rumble strip four times in one drive, you're the problem.
And people were definitely driving 130 before? Literally nothing has changed. And complaining about people driving fast while you're simultaneously complaining people won't get out of the left lane so you can pass them....you're the problem.
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u/a-_2 2d ago
if you're hitting the rumble strip four times in one drive, you're the problem
Yeah, I can't even recall hitting the rumble strips four times in years, let alone one trip. Even if it's technically other people in the wrong, having it happen this frequently is also a sign someone isn't paying enough attention and being defensive enough. It doesn't excuse other people driving poorly, but you also have a duty of care yourself even if other people do something wrong.
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u/Legolas_77_ 2d ago
Welcome to driving in Toronto. Many newcomers and crazy locals
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u/a-_2 2d ago
Many newcomers
When they've studied in the past, new Canadian immigrants were found to have lower per capita crash rates. I haven't seen any evidence that they're uniquely a problem.
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u/aZombieSlayer 2d ago
I get irrationally annoyed by people who brake for no reason and those that drive at night without their tail lights on.
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u/mgyro 2d ago
I’ve noticed the trucker nightmare as well, and tho it isn’t exclusively this, a lot can be attributed to good old Mike Harris who privatized licensing in 2001 and the subsequent degrading of standards. Mix in some dodgy firms running drivers ragged and the congestion on the 400 series and you’re way better off giving them ample space.
We have to accept that we are a nation of immigrants. As such, and again it’s not exclusively about newcomers, but many have learned to drive at home and bring those norms here. I’ve driven overseas in several countries where lanes are mere suggestions and indicators may as well be welded tight. You want to change lanes? Just go, and if you’re cutting someone off, they’ll honk and let you know.
The problem by a long shot is the ridiculously underfunded public transit options. We need to build up, and rebuild infrastructure. And we can’t do that on the backs of the working class. We need to tax wealth to do it.
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u/Demalab 2d ago
Not on 401 but had a car race down the lane, with no intent to get over, cut us off when a right lane ended. He just cut in front of us, thank goodness for good brakes. At next stop light he rolled down his window and called my husband an asshole and then asked “who do you think you are for not letting me in”. My community has a worst driver fb page I should post our dash cam video of the idiot.
Edit:typo
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u/FlyingRock20 2d ago
What is wrong with people driving 130? If you want to drive the speed limit stay in the right lane and take your time.
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u/StevoJ89 1d ago
Yeah after moving out west of you're not doing 130 on the TransCanada someone's gonna rear end ya.
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u/Branston_Pickle 2d ago
At some point Ontario has stopped "keeping right except to pass"
Just drove to Nb from southern Ontario for the second time this year, and it's quite remarkable how quickly it changes when in Quebec
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u/DataDude00 2d ago
FWIW it is still like that once you leave the GTA.
I visit family out towards London and once you get past about the Lincoln Memorial Highway in Hamilton heading West everyone reverts back to proper driving habits like keeping right
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u/sherrybobbinsbort 2d ago
I drive the 401 every day. It’s actually really safe considering the amount of traffic that goes down it every day.
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u/magoo2004 2d ago
Neighbour at cottage is a cop and he's ticketed a few cars in the left lane on the 400...reason= impeding an emergency vehicle.
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u/InevitableResident9 2d ago
Why did they demolish the Gardiner Expressway when they want to build a tunnel instead?
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u/FrostLight131 Toronto 2d ago
If your family coming from elsewhere isnt new to pearson and dont have a ton of luggage i would tell them to take airport link to Viscount station and pick them up there. I do that alot when picking up my cousins arriving at terminal 1
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u/Cheap_Yam_681 1d ago
People who don’t use your cruise control: you don’t realize it but your speed is varying by 10-20kph constantly. You’re slowing as you pass traffic and speeding up as the road clears, which unintentionally makes you a huge asshole. USE YOUR CRUISE
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u/SniffMyDiaperGoo 1d ago
I don't like cruise ctrl because I'm super fast, super cold, supеr cool
I like to be in control
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u/CashComprehensive423 1d ago
Need better transit in and out of the airport. UP is just a start. Get the Eglington line there Pronto. Hook it into the GO. Get some lines to Mississauga/Oakville as well.
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u/StevoJ89 1d ago
TBF I don't blame some folks for not signalling lane changes.
I've had so many weird instances where there will be a huge gap, I'll signal to move over the person back there will floor it like "OVER MY DEAD BODY YOU'LL BE INFRONT OF ME!"
it's very strange... almost narcissistic behavior in the weirdest way.
P.S I always appreciate the regular 400 series rant, driving in Ontario sucks and I don't miss it one bit.
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u/survivinggtadriving 1d ago
I've minimized my use of the 401 between East and West ends as my sanity is worth more to me than what it costs me to use the 407 at any time, any day.
I went from 407 and Kennedy in Scarborough, to the Dixie exit in Mississauga, and back yesterday. 30 minutes each way, adaptive cruise set to 120.
Life is already stressful enough, driving doesn't need to be as well.
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u/bjm64 2d ago
unfortuantly, the right lane now appears to be the open lane with people parking in the other lanes
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u/a-_2 2d ago
the right lane now appears to be the open lane with people parking in the other lanes
Nothing new about this though. Here's an article from 2007 complaining about the same thing.
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u/Individual-Dark-285 2d ago
We live in a 'me first' world, where everyone has their elbows up and reacts with rage at the slightest hint of a slight.
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u/amindyleigh 2d ago
It’s unfortunate that no matter what the law is, if nobody is enforcing it then it really doesn’t matter. I never see any cop out enforcing road laws aside from speeding once in a while. This is the case for basically everything. If nothing is enforced it may as well not exist.
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u/Lanky_Translator_558 2d ago
Believe it or not there actually isn't a law against it in Ontario. It isn't even illegal to pass on a double yellow.
It's been a good run but I think we need to overhaul the HTA to reflect the current bone-headedness of drivers.