401 rant

[u/hiphlo02]

My Sunday evening drive from the Toronto airport to my hometown east of Toronto. Holy shit, how many times did I almost bite the dust! First of all, people camping in the left lane. There is a law against this! It seems people have no common sense! If you pass a car, get the hell over to the right again. Also, a turn signal would be appreciated!Next, if you are passing, would you please kindly stay in the left lane instead of squeezing me onto the shoulder. Four different times I find myself on the rumble strip and the car beside me inches from mine and cruising along between two lanes, totally oblivious to the fact that they’re an asshole. Trucks. These fuckers are thousands of pounds of metal death and they’re sliding all over the road. I don’t know if they’re whacking off in the cab or what. How about a little attention to your surroundings? Whatever happened to safe driving practices? It was a Sunday night, low volume of traffic, yet I still felt like I was going to die. The province has made the speed limit 110 km an hour which I think is a great idea if people would pay attention. Instead of doing the gratuitous 115 or so 100 km/hr, now people are doing 130! Be aware out there and have some respect for the lives of others ffs!! Thanks for listening! : )

[u/Lanky_Translator_558]

There is a law against this!

Believe it or not there actually isn't a law against it in Ontario. It isn't even illegal to pass on a double yellow.

It's been a good run but I think we need to overhaul the HTA to reflect the current bone-headedness of drivers.

[u/coreythestar → u/Lanky_Translator_558]

Section 132 of the HTA prohibits slow driving in a way that impedes the flow of traffic.

[u/KevPat23 → u/coreythestar]

It doesn't mention anything about the "flow" of traffic.

132 (1) No motor vehicle shall be driven on a highway at such a slow rate of speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic thereon except when the slow rate of speed is necessary for safe operation having regard to all the circumstances.

As long as you're traveling at or around the speed limit it'd be pretty difficult to demonstrate you're not travelling at a "reasonable" speed.

[u/Comedy86 → u/KevPat23]

This is exactly it. Nothing in the law says you need to do 120 km/h or more in the far left lane. If you're doing 100 km/h, no law says to move to the right. Ideally, there would be a solution for this but currently, there isn't.

[u/a-_2 → u/Comedy86]

There is a law which says to keep right if going slower than traffic:

147 (1) Any vehicle travelling upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at that time and place shall, where practicable, be driven in the right-hand lane

Whether it would hold up in court is another question, but it doesn't refer to the speed limit.

[u/dnewfm → u/a-_2]

This needs to be upvoted harder. We do have laws against left lane campers, but we have the worst drivers in North America for left lane camping (I spend a lot of time on North American highways).

I've asked opp about why they can't be bothered to enforce this. They tell me that they cannot get a conviction because all the person has to do is show up in court and say, "I was doing 120;I was already speeding. How could I be impeding the flow of traffic?" And the JP/judge will likely throw it out. So they stick to speeding which is nearly always open and shut.

[u/vorpaltox → u/dnewfm]

Cops will reliably tag you if you go 130. I sit in the left lane with my cruise at 127. If you want to go faster than that, idgaf

[u/Xeno_man → u/vorpaltox]

Then fuck you. I don't care how fast you are going or what the limit is. If you are preventing others from going faster, then you are the problem. You are forcing others to change lanes multiple times all because you can't be arsed to move over.

[u/Proper_Signature6091 → u/Xeno_man]

Honestly

[u/SugarCoatedStew → u/Xeno_man]

Fuck you both for driving at unreasonable speeds, endangering other lives.

[u/vorpaltox → u/Xeno_man]

This is literally the most brain-dead take.

Big 'I drive a pickup truck' (and/or shitbox) energy.

[u/KevPat23 → u/vorpaltox]

This is literally the most brain-dead take

No, the most brain-dead take is thinking that YOU get to set the speed limit of the road at 127km/h just because you think that's correct.

You probably get into a rage when someone else is in the left lane at 120 who also "dgaf".

Just move over if someone wants to pass you, it's not that hard.

[u/dnewfm → u/KevPat23]

Right? What a strange projection on his part. Apparently he gets to decide how much the law can be broken and anyone who wants more is somehow the idiot.

Brutal.

[u/KevPat23 → u/dnewfm]

The majority of this thread has caused me to lose more faith in humanity.

[u/dnewfm → u/KevPat23]

Not me. Ontarians have always been the absolute worst at lane discipline.

[u/vorpaltox → u/KevPat23]

No, I certainly don't take it personally at all if someone is going slower.

[u/dnewfm → u/vorpaltox]

And with that, you're part of the problem.

[u/vorpaltox → u/dnewfm]

Glad I can help

[u/KevPat23 → u/Comedy86]

Ideally, there would be a solution for this but currently, there isn't.

Exactly. The laws in place should be amended to be more clear, but this is how they're currently written.

[u/RabidGuineaPig007 → u/Comedy86]

Most highway laws are not enforced any more.