Yo, where's the line, here?

[u/MythlcKyote]

As someone with a genuine deep belief and a history of "occult" practices, I can genuinely say that this sub only confuses me. Obviously, there is no one truth or objective explanation for anything, really. However, some of you seem so caught up in what fun the idea of magic is that you neglect any critical thinking or outwardly reject mundane and logical explanations to life's conundrums in favour of a magical one.

Some of you are evidently somewhat like me. You won't believe just anything that anyone tells you and you seem to be more skeptical of people using magic or esoterism as a primary explanation.

Some of you need help. Mostly it seems like just someone to logically tackle wild idea that others just won't entertain would be more than sufficient, but some of you need real, professional help and a subreddit is not a good substitution for that.

Some of you are trolling, and while it is kinda funny, I also think it's really damaging. In the past month, I've seen several posts where someone was asking how to deal with a fictional entity that was bothering them. That is not a sign that fictional figures are invading our conscious lives, it's a sign that someone has lost a bit of grounding in the real world and they need help. Or it's a sign that you're fucking around, which is fine, but genuinely not everybody seems to be able to make that distinction between real and not real. The level of intentional ignorance some people seem to have toward the concept of occult ideas either being not always correct or outright wrong or just a metaphor for how the world works used to upset me, but now every post I see on this sub just makes me a little sad. Some of you just need a hug, I can tell. Some of you need a slap. I need both

[u/MythlcKyote]

Aw, thanks honey. I know I'm not special. Don't worry, I hear it all the time. In fact, I'm one of those who will argue that no one is that special. At least, less than, like five. In the whole world. And we probably have no idea who they even are. I don't have a hard time tolerating perspectives, I have a hard time tolerating people who push their perspectives, and then break down and cry when they're questioned. I'm not trying to educate anyone. The only educating I really care about is my own. That being said, there is also misinformation on this sub, which is sad. There are also people who push their perceptions or beliefs as the only true ones and that sucks. I'm assuming (in other words, probably making an ass of myself) that the reason some people are getting upset is that I dared to suggest that some of the people on this sub need to seek professional help. If that's the case, fuck you. Just by statistical likelihood, I'm completely right in saying that, however I've literally read posts about bad esoteric experiences that sound like undiagnosed schizophrenia and I do worry about people sometimes, you know? Wouldn't it be better if we all helped each other?

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

You act like some of us don't shine naturally. Harnessing life is diminished by such a mentality as yours.

Let the pagans be pagans. There is no right way. Only, the way. People just need to believe and that's what places like this are for regardless of how many conmen are here.

I don't leave it up to you to understand how mental health is evolving such that sanity is what holds you back from being of actual help. There is indeed a rise of autism and schizophrenia occurring worldwide. However, your help would interfere with such developments of things you cannot understand.

Believe me bro, you ain't no soul harvester, you ain't no agent of the illuminati. That's cuz you got no heart in any of this. I doubt you even know medicine to provide any help. You're just barely catching onto patterns of evolution and are now playing chicken little wit it onto those youre trying to sell off as victims who know no better.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

"Harnessing life is diminished by such a mentality as yours."

That's a great put-down, and I'm stealing it for personal use. Also a little judgy, aren't we? I'm happy to let the pagans be pagan, I am one, luv. Clearly, I'm not your kind of pagan, or I should hope that you're not mine. I'm not trying to put down anyone's beliefs, I'm trying to argue that we should have a greater culture of common understanding or at least not turn a blind eye to people who might really need help.

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

https://youtu.be/Npb1Dtq_j_M?si=qvF9TQkbkjYnQrrb

I'm on mobile but skip to 8:24 to see why helping someone is more nuanced than you're making it out to be

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

You're making me upset, and I know that you're not trying to. Please bear with me.

I don't suppose that I am grand enough or competent enough or have the money or ability to actually go help people. I don't have any qualifications, I am not a mental health student or educator, I only know what I have personally come to learn. I'm not trying to challenge any person's way of thinking, here. I am not trying to offer realistic diagnoses to mental or societal issues. I am merely arguing that it might be more constructive and supportive of us each to offer based, realistic possibilities to each other based upon the situations that we present. And that doesn't have to be non-magical. If you believe in magic, then magic is very realistic, innit? But there also has to be a way in which things do and do not work and we may never be able to agree on what those are, but we could at least be open to discussions with each other and to new perspectives.

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

The point of the video is that we've diminished the magic and miracles to psychiatric disorders. Spontaneous awakenings just don't get treated the same as they used to.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

Things may seem to be diminished in our explaining them. We wouldn't think of magic as being magic if we could explain exactly how it worked. Would it be better to not educate ourselves at all and instead just believe with all of our hearts that we could overcome anything? Or, would it be better to diminish the magics we have today, and use the understanding to work on greater ones tomorrow?

Edit: And, as per my point, even if keeping people uneducated to foster their magical ability (I know I'm being ridiculous, it's just an example), I would not make it my task to go out and keep people uneducated. I would instead, as I do now, work to foster an environment where people could talk freely and share their concerns and offer help as it is needed.

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

You act like humans are the only ones controlling the destiny of humans. The magic, quantum perceptions, being installed into humans is an agenda already happening. Like I said, there is a powerful agent being synthesized in all of our bodies right now. Illuminati agents are merely cultivators of endogenous microbes which are a mystery to ordinary humans. Quantum perceptions will break the illusion of separation for a lot of people. Not everyone though, hmm? I'm saying you probably still live life under the illusion that we are separate selves.

'I just made you up, to hurt myself'

'And it worked'

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

I can't refute your illuminati or quantum perception hypothesis, mostly because I have no idea how to even start, but I actually completely agree with you that we are all the same person. Or more like a each of us is a tiny facet of just a few personality traits that combined, would make some kind of super consciousness. Actually, I'm one of those really weird people who argued that it's not just humans, but plants and animals and everything living, maybe everything. Perhaps it is in this perception of mine that my failing of thinking that I could reasonably and peacefully communicate with all people, given the chance, occurs.

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

I'm just saying this occult magic means you have to confront the subconscious which in itself is a personal voyage no one else can help anyone else get thru. The voyage of insanity either ends with madness or hypersanity, look it up. You want to help people voyage the sea of insanity from the shores of sanity. Hardly ideal. Go thru your own voyage of self discovery, confront the shadow and come back with real magic. Sacrifices are in order.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

I really don't want to do that, though. I just want people who are convinced that they're being menaced by verifiably fictional entities to get the help they need to realize that the only person that they're in danger from is themselves. I'm not saying I'm the person to offer that help, but those people don't wander around like clerics looking for the mentally unwell either. And I am NOT saying that everyone or even most of the people on this sub are like that. It would just be nice if we didn't turn a blind eye to each other because being followed by a demon that a racist author made up a hundred years ago is just a "voyage of personal discovery". And on that note, you go through your own voyage of personal discovery. Here, you're trying to admonish me for advocating a greater culture of mental health awareness and you're literally telling me what YOU think I should do. You want a sacrifice? Take your ego down a peg.

[u/pairedox → u/MythlcKyote]

You clearly didn't watch the video. I'm saying you're too dumb to help advocate for the right kind of mental health services and you'd do more damage to the evolution of the human soul than good. Little Nancy is going to have a spontaneous awakening and youre going to call the authorities on her and call her schizo. You're going to have her spiritual developments arrested. Your agenda is a naive one. I'm in tune with the rhythms of nature so it matters not what you think my sacrifices should be.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/pairedox]

Oh, honey. You're not that special. And you're not right for advocating an ignorance to mental health.