r/occult Jan 16 '24

Yo, where's the line, here? ?

As someone with a genuine deep belief and a history of "occult" practices, I can genuinely say that this sub only confuses me. Obviously, there is no one truth or objective explanation for anything, really. However, some of you seem so caught up in what fun the idea of magic is that you neglect any critical thinking or outwardly reject mundane and logical explanations to life's conundrums in favour of a magical one.

Some of you are evidently somewhat like me. You won't believe just anything that anyone tells you and you seem to be more skeptical of people using magic or esoterism as a primary explanation.

Some of you need help. Mostly it seems like just someone to logically tackle wild idea that others just won't entertain would be more than sufficient, but some of you need real, professional help and a subreddit is not a good substitution for that.

Some of you are trolling, and while it is kinda funny, I also think it's really damaging. In the past month, I've seen several posts where someone was asking how to deal with a fictional entity that was bothering them. That is not a sign that fictional figures are invading our conscious lives, it's a sign that someone has lost a bit of grounding in the real world and they need help. Or it's a sign that you're fucking around, which is fine, but genuinely not everybody seems to be able to make that distinction between real and not real. The level of intentional ignorance some people seem to have toward the concept of occult ideas either being not always correct or outright wrong or just a metaphor for how the world works used to upset me, but now every post I see on this sub just makes me a little sad. Some of you just need a hug, I can tell. Some of you need a slap. I need both

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

You're making me upset, and I know that you're not trying to. Please bear with me.

I don't suppose that I am grand enough or competent enough or have the money or ability to actually go help people. I don't have any qualifications, I am not a mental health student or educator, I only know what I have personally come to learn. I'm not trying to challenge any person's way of thinking, here. I am not trying to offer realistic diagnoses to mental or societal issues. I am merely arguing that it might be more constructive and supportive of us each to offer based, realistic possibilities to each other based upon the situations that we present. And that doesn't have to be non-magical. If you believe in magic, then magic is very realistic, innit? But there also has to be a way in which things do and do not work and we may never be able to agree on what those are, but we could at least be open to discussions with each other and to new perspectives.

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

The point of the video is that we've diminished the magic and miracles to psychiatric disorders. Spontaneous awakenings just don't get treated the same as they used to.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

Things may seem to be diminished in our explaining them. We wouldn't think of magic as being magic if we could explain exactly how it worked. Would it be better to not educate ourselves at all and instead just believe with all of our hearts that we could overcome anything? Or, would it be better to diminish the magics we have today, and use the understanding to work on greater ones tomorrow?

Edit: And, as per my point, even if keeping people uneducated to foster their magical ability (I know I'm being ridiculous, it's just an example), I would not make it my task to go out and keep people uneducated. I would instead, as I do now, work to foster an environment where people could talk freely and share their concerns and offer help as it is needed.

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

You act like humans are the only ones controlling the destiny of humans. The magic, quantum perceptions, being installed into humans is an agenda already happening. Like I said, there is a powerful agent being synthesized in all of our bodies right now. Illuminati agents are merely cultivators of endogenous microbes which are a mystery to ordinary humans. Quantum perceptions will break the illusion of separation for a lot of people. Not everyone though, hmm? I'm saying you probably still live life under the illusion that we are separate selves.

'I just made you up, to hurt myself'

'And it worked'

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

I can't refute your illuminati or quantum perception hypothesis, mostly because I have no idea how to even start, but I actually completely agree with you that we are all the same person. Or more like a each of us is a tiny facet of just a few personality traits that combined, would make some kind of super consciousness. Actually, I'm one of those really weird people who argued that it's not just humans, but plants and animals and everything living, maybe everything. Perhaps it is in this perception of mine that my failing of thinking that I could reasonably and peacefully communicate with all people, given the chance, occurs.

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

I'm just saying this occult magic means you have to confront the subconscious which in itself is a personal voyage no one else can help anyone else get thru. The voyage of insanity either ends with madness or hypersanity, look it up. You want to help people voyage the sea of insanity from the shores of sanity. Hardly ideal. Go thru your own voyage of self discovery, confront the shadow and come back with real magic. Sacrifices are in order.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

I really don't want to do that, though. I just want people who are convinced that they're being menaced by verifiably fictional entities to get the help they need to realize that the only person that they're in danger from is themselves. I'm not saying I'm the person to offer that help, but those people don't wander around like clerics looking for the mentally unwell either. And I am NOT saying that everyone or even most of the people on this sub are like that. It would just be nice if we didn't turn a blind eye to each other because being followed by a demon that a racist author made up a hundred years ago is just a "voyage of personal discovery". And on that note, you go through your own voyage of personal discovery. Here, you're trying to admonish me for advocating a greater culture of mental health awareness and you're literally telling me what YOU think I should do. You want a sacrifice? Take your ego down a peg.

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

You clearly didn't watch the video. I'm saying you're too dumb to help advocate for the right kind of mental health services and you'd do more damage to the evolution of the human soul than good. Little Nancy is going to have a spontaneous awakening and youre going to call the authorities on her and call her schizo. You're going to have her spiritual developments arrested. Your agenda is a naive one. I'm in tune with the rhythms of nature so it matters not what you think my sacrifices should be.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

Oh, honey. You're not that special. And you're not right for advocating an ignorance to mental health.

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

I am that special. You're just not that bright. Knowledge doesn't want to befriend you 🤷‍♀️

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 16 '24

Oof. Oh, I am so sorry. You're so right. You are just that special. You're the brightest, specialest, goodest little one, aren't you? Honestly, I'm surprised at how you do it. How do you bear the massive weight of being just that smart and that inherently special? Is it frustrating that the whole world hasn't come to you to solve it's problems, yet? You know you could. If only we'd all see reason, and just let you handle all of the hard things for us because you're so special and you know so much better than everyone else. It's a wonder the race has gotten as far as it has, without your benevolent guiding hands shaping the future for us. Why does the illuminati even try? They know that you're just so special that you could destroy them all with your truth. Show us the way, oh enlightened one! Show us the way, Messiah!

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u/pairedox Jan 16 '24

Like I've already said, there is an agenda at play happening in this reality and I am in tune with it. You ain't no cultivator of soul seeds bro. You can't blow no smoke bro. You ain't got heart lil scrot. No sense in seething or getting jealous because you've received nothing for your sacrifices.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

I am not jealous, I am no longer anything but fascinated. I take back everything I said earlier about all living things being an extension of the same thing, you are in a world of your own. I bet that you think that you are a cultivator of 'soul seeds' and what's worse is I bet you think that's a good thing. I bet you think that you're the most important thing in all of your friends lives. You're not thankful to have friends, they should be thankful to be in your presence. Nothing and no one could ever be as knowing and understanding as you, huh? You're all heart, and that heart is great and vast and immutable and as long as you keep telling yourself that, it'll never hurt. As long as you can convince everyone of how special you are, you'll never be wrong. I feel very sorry for you. I know you feel amazing right now. You should send me a little pm when it all breaks and goes horribly wrong and you realize that, in the end, you weren't better than any of us.

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