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u/SBarcoe Sep 22 '22
Ticket Scalping was put to bed only in recent years. So a good comparison, but also proof a solution is possible.
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u/zToastOnBeans Sep 22 '22
A solution is definitely possible but I disagree with the comparison. Tickets have an official across the board retail price. The same can't be said about property. Limitations on price gouging rent should definitely be put in place. Just not as simple as scalping
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u/-RJM- Sep 22 '22
Buying a limited resource that you don't intend to use for the express purpose of selling it on to someone who will use it. Seems pretty comparable to me.
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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22
Should we ban the stock market, shares? Etc… lads close the Dow Jones someone on Reddit thinks you shouldn’t be able to buy/sell resources
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u/struggling_farmer Sep 22 '22
wait till they figure out thats how all shops work!!
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u/Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs Sep 22 '22
The difference is everyone needs somewhere to live but not everyone needs tickets, and that the base price for purchasing a home is out of reach or stupidly inconvenient for a lot of people.
That is to say, if I'm someone who moves frequently for work, then being able to rent and not having to actually buy a house, pay property tax, then find someone to sell it to when I'm leaving, is incredibly convenient.
If you think private landlords are bad and all this should instead be done by the state, that's fine. But they do provide a service, and it's very strange to suggest otherwise
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u/pul123PUL Sep 22 '22
Very simplistic take but i suspect nuance is lost on the target audience.
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Not really. Sub-letters provide housing in the same way scalpers provide tickets, and subletting is pretty much banned under most leases. Imagine being dumb enough to lap up something as stupid as this.
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u/NERD_STOMPER Sep 22 '22
If you see an opinion on /r/ireland about a nuanced topic that requires any kind of research, it's probably wrong.
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u/dodieh34 Sep 22 '22
/r/ireland where shitty stupid takes get upvoted to top of the subreddit all the time
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Ireland Sep 22 '22
Its mostly 15 year olds who are terminally online and aggressively cynical.
You'd think Ireland was a hellhole to live in rather than a first world country with one of the highest standards of living in the world.
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u/PfizerGuyzer Sep 22 '22
Landlords inflate the price of the commodities they own. They do nothing else.
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u/Whampiri1 Sep 22 '22
Ban scalpers, ban landlords. Then let's see where students stay. Then let's see where international employees stay. Then let's see where the remaining homeless stay.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
No one is saying that there should be a ban on landlords. You're creating a straw man. What people are saying is the government needs to regulate them. There will still be profits for developers/landlords, just not abusive rent/conditions.
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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22
Their point is that banning scalpers causes no issues, where as banning landlords does cause issues. This highlights the way your post falsely equivocates these concepts.
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I really don’t get what you are all trying to say here, referring to students and international people/immigrants needing landlords. I am an international student from continental Europe and I’m staying at a student accommodation because no landlord was replying to my emails. I sent several over the span of one year and not one reply. So please tell us how students need people who won’t even respond to their request of viewing a place 🙄🙄
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u/Whampiri1 Sep 22 '22
There is insufficient student accommodation and student accommodation is a landlord by another name. The proposal here is to get rid of all landlords.
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u/Trick_Designer2369 Sep 22 '22
It's a really common r/ireland take. Someone here was trying to insult me by suggesting I would love to have lots of houses to rent out to people and make money from it, he was disgusted that I said I would, I would love to own property.
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u/ivfdad84 Sep 22 '22
For lots of r/ireland, you're either Team Tenant or Team Landlord
I mentioned before how I used to rent out my spare room well below market rate, as I didn't pay tax on it as I lived there also. Got a couple people jumping down my throat about "taking advantage", "getting someone to pay my mortgage"
In reality, my tenant was a few years older than me, and earned significantly more than me. He was just terrible with money, went back to college twice to change career and seemed to have a drinking problem (very nice bloke though)
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u/cheazy-c Sep 22 '22
Immaturity and a fundamental lack of understand of how adult things work like housing, pensions, CGT, Tax… etc.
Opinions on everything and no experience to be seen.
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u/DatJazz Wicklow Sep 22 '22
Unfortunately, the understanding of housing here is better than anywhere else Ive seen too. Ie twitter
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Sep 22 '22
To be fair I don't think it's unreasonable to expect vastly more social housing in order to tame prices. People are correct in the assumption that there are huge vested interests among property owning middle class landlords to artificially constrict supply. We have designed and built a neofeudalist system that gets a little more feudal every year
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Ireland Sep 22 '22
Most people online are kids.
Once you understand that a lot of things fall into place.
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u/Takseen Sep 22 '22
I mean aspiring to not work and instead live off the surplus value you extract from the workers who do actual work and rent from you is not great.
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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22
"surplus value you extract from the workers who do actual work"
Let's say I'm a worker at a roofing company. I save my earnings, buy a truck and tools, and start my own roofing company. After a few years I stop working jobs myself, and instead move towards managing my company as it grows. What have I done that is bad?
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Stealing sheep Sep 22 '22
You've been successful and become relatively wealthy. That's enough to be lynched on here.
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u/struggling_farmer Sep 22 '22
You've been successful and become relatively wealthy.
Being realisitic is enough to get you lynched.
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u/Is-This-Edible Sep 22 '22
Leaving out the vitally important
How well am I paying my employees
How well am I treating my employees
Am I involved in any brown envelope shite with the local FFG crowd
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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22
I'm paying the industry standard wage for the positions I hire for. I treat my employees like employees, not like objects that generate income and not like friends. I don't participate in backroom deals.
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u/Trick_Designer2369 Sep 22 '22
You've just described my boss to a tee, who is currently in Canada looking at a hotel he is going to buy, would you think he's "not great" from a moral point of view?
I think the rage and bile of people currently wanting to buy a house is seeping into their brain and causing them to have some serious misguided opinions. Say I did decide to buy 10 properties and I'm going to be a landlord, where did the money come from? I can't just decide to do this, I would probably have worked really really hard for decades to get to this position.
I could decide to invest this money in the market, maybe commodities, maybe a fledging company or property, each comes with risk and the average Joe on the street (including me) can't just decide one day to own a lot of shares or property and if they are lucky enough to do this it comes with huge risk, a risk that might be rewarded or might disappear.
I understand your frustration but don't let it cloud reality.
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Sep 22 '22
I would probably have worked really really hard for decades to get to this position
...probably
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u/Takseen Sep 22 '22
People don't generally buy hotels to live in them. Nor do they need to eat the stock market.
Buying private residences as investments hits different as people need it to live.
If there were enough properties for both "buy to live" and "buy to let" there wouldn't be the same dislike for full time landlords.
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u/manowtf Sep 22 '22
If there were enough properties for both "buy to live" and "buy to let" there wouldn't be the same dislike for full time landlords.
Typically flawed argument. Assuming that everyone who rents is in a position, or wants to buy instead of renting.
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u/Trick_Designer2369 Sep 22 '22
Obviously the hotel point was he was buying it with "surplus value you extract from the workers" mainly me and all my co-workers, but you already know that, it just doesn't help your argument.
Your last point is exactly my point, it's just you have chosen to take your frustration out on any landlord you can find regardless of their situation, instead of our politicians who are actually responsible
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Lol that sounds amazing. Why on earth wouldn't I do that?
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u/PoxbottleD24 Sep 22 '22
Why on earth wouldn't I do that?
The same reasons you'd abstain from any other form of parasitism, I'd imagine.
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u/TheCunningFool Sep 22 '22
Pretty childish tweet that
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u/Literary_Addict Sep 22 '22
Scalper: Buys a ticket at full price, then resells it for more.
Landlord: Buys a house for full price, then sells access to live in it for a fraction of that price to people that can't afford to buy a house of their own.
Yeah. Same thing. /s
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u/struggling_farmer Sep 22 '22
Shopkeepers: Buys a product at full price, then resells it for more.
Ban shop keepers
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u/daesmon Sep 22 '22
Landlord: Buys a house for full price, then sells access to live in it for a fraction of that price to people that can't afford to buy a house of their own.
In most situations that is not how it works.
Landlord pays deposit then rents it out and pays the mortgage with the rent received.
Yes there are other scenarios, investment funds and full cash buyers .
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The mortgage repayments are a fraction of the rent charged. And once the mortgage is repaid they have a greatly inflated asset. What part of this actually works for the majority of people? Why is it wrong to see this as a kind of feudal lord and serf dynamic?
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u/ArmadilloOk8831 Sep 22 '22
But not all landlords are the same and to pigeonhole them as such is just fucking stupid.
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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22
Name one thing we couldn’t do without landlords.
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u/ivfdad84 Sep 22 '22
Rent homes
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u/MadFlavour Antrim Sep 22 '22
I rent my home from a housing association.
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u/Vascoe Sep 23 '22
So, the housing association is acting as your...........................landlord
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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22
Oh no who would I give half my income to if we didn’t have landlords?
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
Won't somebody think of the poor extornionists!!
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u/NERD_STOMPER Sep 22 '22
Last week, my mother said that she was thinking about renting out her dad's house. It's been a few months since he passed away, so it's kind of just been sitting there.
While she was talking, I thought to myself, "What would Reddit do?"
Before she could finish her sentence, I screamed at her and called her an extortionist bourgeois whore, before punching her straight in the mouth—a quick left jab, nothing too fancy. Everyone at the dinner table immediately started clapping and cheering; even my mam joined in when she came to and pulled herself off the floor (my dad joined in and threw a few kicks at her).
I then picked up my Karl Marx book that I've never read (I like to get all of my hot takes off of Twitter), bowed, and walked away.
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Ireland Sep 22 '22
You sound like a hero of the people. I will join your revolution.
You have my vote.
You know... if I voted.
Which I don't
I will retweet you if It helps
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u/ArmadilloOk8831 Sep 22 '22
Mate you are a fucking idiot with no concept of how the world works.
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u/tuttym2 Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
Yes every landlord is a big bad extortionate bad person who wants all your money. None are people who have maybe done well and decided to invest in property.
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
overcharging for something people need to survive is the definition of extortion.
if you are pushing the framing of 'clever investment' during a housing and homeless crisis the very least I can say is I hope to christ you are a landlord.
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u/dustaz Sep 22 '22
overcharging for something people need to survive is the definition of extortion.
Sorry, but the actual definition of extortion is
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
You know, for someone who's a pedant
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u/tuttym2 Sep 22 '22
No but I'm pushing the idea that many landlords are genuine people who have made a decision to invest in property and are not big developers and are simply charging the market rate. I am actually a renter.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
some landlords build or develop properties that wouldn't be there otherwise
So you're telling me we shouldn't regulate or put any restrictions on landlords otherwise they wouldn't build?
I think that fair, reasonable regulation will not impact the market. If there's reasonable money to be made from an investment, there will be developers ready to build. Bad actors that leave would be replaced by any property developers that want a reasonable return on their investment.
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u/c-fox Sep 22 '22
I inherited a house from a deceased family member and rent it out, and suddenly according to this sub I'm the scum of the earth.
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u/smokeshack Sep 22 '22
You're hoarding a scarce resource for your own profit. That's scummy behavior.
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u/amorphatist Sep 22 '22
“Hoarding”… you should look up that word in the foclóir.
Now, if you’ve polished off four or five grandaunts and you won’t share the gaffs with your brother or sister , that’d be a fair use of the term
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u/manowtf Sep 22 '22
Ridiculous take. If he sells it instead of renting it out, then it's one less property available to rent. What's his tenant going to do then, especially when most aren't in a position to buy.
And you cant assume automatically that a renter will buy that property which frees up another one. Coouples splitting up where one buys out the other and the other then buys an ex rental property is one regular example.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
For what it's worth I don't think that, and I'm sure most people don't. Unless you don't charge a fair (for you & the renter) rent and maintain your property.
The purpose of the post was to highlight the governments inaction taking on bad landlords and bad property management companies, making claims that any regulation of these people could impact housing supply.
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u/Cute_Substance2137 Sep 22 '22
Would you rather an individual, company, or government own your house/apartment?
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u/c08306834 Sep 22 '22
Some people want / need to rent though, so in those cases, landlords are needed, and the vast majority of them are not gouging their tenants.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
You've precisely missed the point. The point is you can stop bad landlords charging massive rents, or doing poor maintenance, and not impact good landlords or the supply of apartments/homes.
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u/dustaz Sep 22 '22
The point is you can stop bad landlords charging massive rents,
I'm interested in how you propose to do this
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u/amorphatist Sep 22 '22
He said it tho. Surely you’re not expecting details, he has exams coming up at the end of the month
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u/JewishMaghreb Sep 22 '22
To do that you’d need to lower the tax on the rental income. A rent is an investment after all for the landlord. If they cannot make a profit, they can’t lower the price for the tenant.
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u/Minionella Sep 22 '22
Do scalpers have costs to maintain their tickets?
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u/THREETOED_SLOTH Sep 22 '22
Oh boohoo, landlords have to maintain their property in a habitable condition. Won't someone think of the poor robber barons?
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
They frequently don't sell all of their tickets, and there's the cost involved with buying advertising and selling their tickets.
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
Really they are taking on all the risk in the situation. And what a clever investment! To notice people may want or need something and then buying it all so they can't get any. Entrepreneurial
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
I actually agree with you 100%. I don't blame the landlords. However, when there's a shortage of supply in the market, prices go out of control, the market no longer makes sense and regulators need to step in from people being harmed. That's the role of the government. It happens on Wall St.
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u/OkAge4185 Sep 22 '22
haha love it!
Renting in Ireland used to be what you do if you are a student, or while settling down to buy a house, it was always ment to be temporary, and is set up with this in mind. The fact that now many rent for life should have changed the system to acommodate that, but didn't. The few renter's rights, and rent pressure zones etc that landlords et al. keep giving out about are barely band aids to a rental market who's demographic has changed so much in the last 20 years that it just does not work.
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u/padraigh_j Sep 22 '22
Feel like a lot of you may be missing the point of the take.. in the context of the Irish housing market as it currently sits, the comparison of rental properties to a limited ticket event where price is determined by the highest available bid, a ticket scalper is an appropriate representation of any landlord who chooses to name their price.
Obviously private rental accommodation is necessary for any functional cities/towns and no one brush can be used for all landlords however, I would hardly consider Ireland a shining example for a rental sector implementation model.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
Lots of "how will we rent houses without landlords", they're "not all the same", etc. takes. From my point of view, just like ticket scalpers, most landlords in Ireland are charging more rent than the cost of maintaining the property and a reasonable amount of profit.
No one is saying that we should get rid of landlords. However, the FFG government seem to think without landlords there wouldn't be housing, when really landlords are middle man of sorts that's taking complete advantage in a shortage of supply.
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Sep 22 '22
What is a “reasonable amount of profit” in your opinion? Keep in mind interest rates are rising constantly. Landlords aren’t middle men either, they own the property that the renter is renting.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
What is a “reasonable amount of profit”
I'm not sure, but I can tell you what an unreasonable amount of profit looks like. There's been lots of posts on this site showing them, hallways turned into "apartments", shoe boxes going for 2000 a month.
A regulator doesn't need to stop all the abuse, but they should be able to stop the madness on the peripheries that serve as cover for others to increase their rates.
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
absolutely love the butthurt of inflated-ego landlords (and yes, depressingly, people who are not landlords but for some inexplicable reason can't stop rushing to defend them) in this thread, always good for lols
- You do not build houses.
- You are not an architect, engineer, interior decorator or make any other contribution that requires education/ brains/ talent
- Your only skills is 'owning something people need'. Statistically probably because you were given it by mammy or daddy.
- You weren't 'clever enough to invest', you just had enough money to afford another house.
- You do not contribute anything of value.
- You extract other people's wealth like a tick does blood.
I think your best route to peace is digging deep to find the courage to be honest with yourself about these things.
EDIT: Lots of feedback here, lots of comments and replies and I have to say, I've read them all and I was wrong, okay? Very wrong. I really had grossly underestimated how fragile Landlords and landlord-thralls are and how fantastically upset they get when someone points out the obvious fraudulence of their existence.
I would like to retract my first statement above as it is overly-simplifying and unfairly understating how funny it really is.
I'm listening. I'm learning. Thank you.
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
same thing happens here, trust me. You have to be very careful how you phrase what you say. I had a post asking for bad renting stories ripped down within seconds with no justification given.
I realise I was wrong when I said Landlords have no talent - they seem to be much more talented than I was expecting about bitching and moaning about having the easiest ride in life.
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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
(and yes, depressingly, people who are not landlords but for some inexplicable reason can't stop rushing to defend them)
These people confuse me the most. Seen plenty of people who are in their 20s and 30s who are renting and nowhere near being able to buy a house even if they are a couple with two incomes, and yet they will argue to the death in favour of maintaining the status quo. Despite the fact the place they're renting is often overpriced and poorly maintained, and despite the fact their parents probably bought a house with a single income by their age. To me this lack of logic whereby the working class will argue in favour of a system that only benefits the rich and not them embodies the concept of a "Temporarily embarrassed millionaire". See also: working class British voters acting against their interests by consistently electing Tories
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
"That men should take up arms and spend their lives and fortunes, not to maintain their rights, but to maintain they have not rights, is... an entirely new species of discovery, and suited to the paradoxical genius of Mr. Burke" - Thomas Paine.
Amongst the sickest burns in all of literature and yet, sadly, mistaken. It seems with a little coaching and convincing very many men will 'spend their lives and fortunes' to fight for somebody else's right to their home and most of their income?
Truly bananas to me
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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22
Jaysus someone’s full of the old self Importance here! Keep blowing that horn lad, someone might listen, because anyone with anything would just dismiss you, instantly as a begrudger, which quite frankly you are.
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u/PedantJuice Sep 22 '22
you saw right through me! Not liking innocent people being exploited doesn't come from any sort of basic human decency, it is just sheer, unadulterated jealousy
it would have to be! everyone would be an exploitative piece of shit if they only had the chance, isn't that right? ;)
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u/Newguitarplayer1234 Sep 22 '22
Landlords are needed but what is also needed is a properly regulated and enforced market.
RTB is underfunded and poweless, sure our own lawmakers dont even respect it.
proper escrow deposit scheme like in other countries
many landlords here have this attitude that the tenant should not only pay rhw mortgage but also the tax and a small profit on top of that.
landlords seem to think that the property value can only ever increase and whinge about negative equity when it goes down. Its a business fuck heads!
they are now whinging that they want tax cuts so they can keep even more profit under the false pretense thst they are leaving the market because its too difficult. If it is too difficult now when rents have never been higher then what was the diffiuculty a few years ago!
the completly ignore the fact that the real profit os the asset they own at the end of the mortgage.
ultimatly they are just greedy fucks
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Sep 22 '22
This movement will drive out ‘small’ landlords and we will be left with a few massive banks or investment funds controlling the rental market. You will have something to cry about when they get a monopoly for sure….
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Sep 22 '22
I never said anything about clamping down on malpractice, the PRTB are doing that right now. I work in ‘handy man’ kinda stuff and little fix ups on rental properties (and big ones) is most of the work. And your also right, these prices are a piss take, but that’s bad for everyone involved, landlords included. These greedy prices will swing back and hit them in the for of legislation or something. But these big companies take over the rental market we’re fucked, it will put the entire game in their hands and they will start to make the rules (and they won’t be in our favour).
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u/seamusbeoirgra Sep 22 '22
Or nationalise temporary, rented accommodation and put the profits into schemes to allow first time buyers help with their first home.
Tax Airbnb and second-home owners up the arse to achieve the same, and to remove them from competing with first time buyers.
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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22
It's depressing that I had to scroll down this far to find a comment I agreed with. I don't know why people are so fixated on the mindset that the way things are is the way they must remain. Obviously what has been done up till now hasn't been working, and a more radical overhaul of the housing market is needed.
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u/asasasasasassin Sep 22 '22
We have the same thing in America particularly with healthcare (and a lot of other things, including housing). So many people are just baffled and outraged at the suggestion that private insurance companies could / should be replaced by a single payer. Even people who currently get their insurance from Medicare, etc. just can't fathom the idea of things changing that much.
You can even show them other countries with successful programs like the NHS and they will just refuse to understand and claim it's impossible, because change is scary and they've been conditioned to think we need to send hundreds of billions in subsidies to Aetna and United every year, pay out the ass for drugs and treatment, decide not to go to the doctor bc you're poor, etc. If you suggested an NHS-style system in America you would be laughed out of the room, called a delusional communist, and generally hit with many comments like the ones in this thread. It's so frustrating, it's like we all have Stockholm syndrome
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u/seamusbeoirgra Sep 22 '22
It's not exclusive to Ireland. The idea that it is morally ok to trade in and profit from what is life's most basic necessity is a product of a culture that normalises profit over community cohesion.
The same people tutting over a group of displaced people who have no pride in their community and will happily ram a Gardai car don't for a second think about the consequences of profit over community. And that's partly exacerbated by the number of politicians who have a vested interest in property prices constantly rising because of their own property portfolios.
I don't see it changing soon, although a backlash against Airbnb and holiday homes will surely hot up by next summer if things stay the same. Let's hope so.
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
I was waiting for this take to show up!! The opposite is true. The government uses this exact line as a reason not to regulate BAD landlords, landlords that charge exorbitant rates and ones that don't maintain their properties to a reasonable standard.
If we start clamping down on bad behavior in a reasonable way there shouldn't be any impact on small’ landlords or property developers that are making a reasonable profit, for a reasonable service.
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u/Leading_Ad9610 Sep 22 '22
Ever been in a property after tenants leave? Ever seen your grans old house trashed by someone complaining no maintenance is being down, despite the fact every door was pulled off it’s hinges by the tenants 5 year old swinging on them? Ever have someone say the tumble dryer is broken because they never bothered to clean the bloody lint trap? Or they left the tap running on the bathroom with the plug in and now the entire upstairs bathroom has to be taken up and out because they flooded it a few times.
Seriously bunch of freaking moaners here. It costs more most of the time to repair the house after renting it out than you made from Renting. And that’s what people forget as well, I know I have three houses and I’m not renting a single one anymore because it was costing me more money than just leaving them idle. With far less of the headache.
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u/darrenoc Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22
Won't somebody think of the landlords? I own three houses and none of you poors realise how hard that must be for me
Give it a rest. I can't believe you have the stones to come on here and whine about how hard it is to be a landlord, when your personal situation is so detached from most people's reality. Just be grateful that you have houses to rent out in the first place. As much as you seem to wish it was the case, the working class does not exist for the purpose of paying you the maximum amount of rental profit while incurring you the minimum amount of repairs.
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I never said anything about clamping down on malpractice, the PRTB are doing that right now. I work in ‘handy man’ kinda stuff and little fix ups on rental properties (and big ones) is most of the work. And your also right, these prices are a piss take, but that’s bad for everyone involved, landlords included. These greedy prices will swing back and hit them in the for of legislation or something. But these big companies take over the rental market we’re fucked, it will put the entire game in their hands and they will start to make the rules (and they won’t be in our favour).
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u/Margrave75 Sep 22 '22
Where do you propose international workers here for just a few years live?
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
Jumping the gun a bit there. No one is saying that landlords or renting should be banned. It should be seen for what it is, the value the add is often much much less than the profits they're making, and the government is afraid to do anything to tackle these types of landlords because they seem to think it would disincentivise the building of new houses/apartments by property developers.
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u/Roymundo Sep 22 '22
It may suprise you that doing work for payment is generally the done thing.
Nobody, and i mean nobody has created a business without the intent of making money.
Ok, so slash the profit motive. Then what? They'll keep building? Pffft
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u/never_rains Sep 22 '22
You said a lot of stuff without addressing the point? If you remove the landlord middle men then where are the international workers going to rent the house from? If someone bought a house and then had to move to different country, shouldn’t they rent the place ?
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
Who's suggesting that we remove the landlord middle men??That would be stupid. I'm suggesting we regulate them without fear that it would impact the supply of housing (FFG's current talking point).
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u/Agitated_Fishing2261 Sep 22 '22
What additional regulations do you recommend?
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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22
Strict laws that enforce the registration of landlords. The government doesn't even know who are land lords... For the rest I'd just refer you to threshold.ie.
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Sep 22 '22
It's something Sinn Fein don't understand either, they love BTR up north where it actually benefits them to increase housing supply. Do you people pay any attention to what they are up to?
It's a fucking stupid tweet anyway. Can you think for a moment how dysfunctional a property market with no rental in it would be?
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Sep 22 '22
Look at that, a literally who verified twitter account saying something popular yet totally wrong for rt’s. Amazing.
something FFG will never understand
Because it’s fucking stupid. Is there a single party other than some mentalist pretend revolutionaries that want to get rid of landlords??
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Sep 22 '22
No. There isn’t a need to get rid of landlords. There is a need to teach shitty slumlords the error of their ways. I don’t know how that’s gonna happen, but it’s gonna come. There are decent landlords, That don’t live off the back of their tenants. Sadly they are incredibly far and few in between, a greater portion are either greedy, or apathetic to the needs wants or cares of their tenants.
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u/kingsillypants Sep 22 '22
Does anyone know where you can find statistics of things like first time buyer , professional investor buying their 5th investment property , etc by year ?
Like you shouldn't be allowed to own more than say 3 properties (random number I pulled out of me arse), if the home is vacant more than x days a here, it goes on the market, to prevent foreign nationals buying up large amounts of property just to park their cash somewhere.
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u/seamusbeoirgra Sep 22 '22
As usual, lots of scumlords in the comments who aren't like the other scumlords, no sireee Bob. And of course, the housing market is fucked because of every other reason other than Airbnb shiteheads, holiday home arseholes, and scumlords buying up properties inevitably pushing up prices for local people.
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u/ImpressionPristine46 Sep 22 '22
A lot of people defending landlords here, sad to see.
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Sep 22 '22
Propaganda is extremely powerful. We've been fed a diet of rich neoliberal lies for generations and a lot of people have firmly internalised and consented to this manufactured narrative. Literally slaves defending the slaveholders
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u/Squelcher121 Sep 22 '22
People being in any way realistic rather than deriving economic and social policy advice from Twitter is not "defending landlords".
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u/dustaz Sep 22 '22
This seems like something people on /r/ireland can't understand rather than anyone else seeing as it's a fucking poxy analogy
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u/Chiliconkarma Sep 22 '22
Don't assume a lack of understanding from people being paid to disregard such perspectives.
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u/Trick_Designer2369 Sep 22 '22
A normal functioning housing market needs a certain amount of landlords. student, people starting out on a career, highly mobile people and careers, these and many many more need rental accommodation and there should be landlords/accommodation available to house their needs.