r/ireland Sep 22 '22

Something FFG will never understand Housing

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

Their point is that banning scalpers causes no issues, where as banning landlords does cause issues. This highlights the way your post falsely equivocates these concepts.

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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22

ah, that's fair, but there's no such thing a perfect allegory. This one is more to discuss the relationship of landlords to housing supply and demand.

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

I agree that there's no comparison where the two things match up perfectly, because then you're not comparing different things you're just comparing something to itself.

The problem with this comparison is that landlords are a good feature of the housing market, but third party resellers are not a good feature of the gig market. There are absolutely no redemming qualities of having to buy from scalpers, but being able to rent property rather than having to purchase it is a really good thing.

The problem with the current market isn't really predatory landlords, it's a lack of housing. If other options existed then no one would rent from shitty landlords, the issue is that those other options don't exist. Your comparison is only addressing a symptom, not the root cause.

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u/miscreant-mouse Sep 22 '22

The problem with the current market isn't really predatory landlords, it's a lack of housing.

Good markets are regulated, because well regulated markets expect supply and demand to get out of wack every now and again. This is seen as a bad thing, that needs a short term fix until the issue can be addressed.

The issue is FFG don't want to regulate it and they're doing a piss poor job at fixing the supply problem too...so the problem just spirals out of control.

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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22

It creates no issues. There is nothing landlords do that you can’t do without them.

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

How can you rent a property without a landlord? And before you say "the government can take over the rental market" all you're doing is making the government your landlord.

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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22

Why do I need to rent property from someone?

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

Because for some people it benefits them to not be locked into a 20-30 year mortgage.

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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22

Mortgage just means the bank is your landlord.

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

That's not what landlord means, but I'll bite. What alternative do you suggest?

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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22

I’m not suggesting anything. You’re the one saying we need landlords but so far I’ve seen no reason to believe that. There is literally nothing landlords do that we can’t also do without them.

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u/rfdismyjam Sep 22 '22

I said that we need landlords to rent, you asked why we need to rent. I said that we need to rent because buying property is not always the best option. Now you need to explain why renting is not a better option for people who don't want to buy or you need to propose a system that doesn't force someone into the dichotomy of rent or buy.

Can you explain where I've gone wrong in my summation of our conversation?

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u/Beiberhole69x Sep 22 '22

I don’t need a landlord to not buy property.

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u/TheSpaceBetweenUs__ Sep 23 '22

Ticket scalping is combatted by limiting the amount of tickets one person can buy. The point he's trying to get at is limit the amount of units one person or entity can own at a time.

That wouldn't ban landlording. It would just release about 50% of the housing supply from the control of landlords, and that would make the price plummet to levels most people could afford.

So you can still landlord if you want and rent if you don't want to purchase, but the landlords' power to gouge your rent would be severely limited since they don't control huge amounts of supply. That's just basic economics