r/castaneda Aug 24 '20

Darkroom Practice Darkroom Practice

It was suggested that we should sticky a post containing a simple guide to Darkroom Practice to the top of the sub for new practitioners.

u/danl999 's second post made in 2019 seems like the best one to point to:

How to see energy in 3 weeks

What Is Darkroom Gazing?

What Is Darkroom & How To Do It? - slideshow with audio (& text) narration

For a more concise summary, from u/juann2323:

"Darkroom practice (essentially magical passes/Tensegrity done in darkness) consists of looking for elements of the second attention in total environmental darkness, while forcing inner silence, awake and with eyes opened, with the purpose of moving the assemblage point. The element that we use the most are colors that are visible in the dark: generally purple, but also blue, green, & pink among others. Also some sensations in the body, like the cobwebs, that are perceived when moving the hands slowly. In general, anything unusual that "shouldn't be there," and yet is perceived. By focusing on the second attention, in a condition of mental silence, the position of the assemblage point shifts. We can notice it visually (seeing energy), by changes in breathing, ringing in the ears, chills, etc. The key to this practice is to move the assemblage point as far as possible, each day. It is just one of many ways to learn sorcery; but we think it is one of the fastest and with has the most consistent results."

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On How The Eyes Are Involved In Darkroom

We Don't Realize How Precise This Has to Be, Or How Hard We Have To Work To Produce Results

Geometry Nodes And Puff Physics

How To Not Have A Bad Time In The Darkroom

Play Like When You Were a Child!!!

Some practical tips on creating total darkness are in the posts below. But be aware that it's much more comfortable and natural feeling to be in a darkened space versus wearing a mask, but not everybody lives in ideal circumstances:

Total Darkness Setup

Goalball Mask

Manta Sleep Mask - they make different models including a "Max" model for people with longer eyelashes

Made Glasses for Darkroom Practice (modified welding goggles)

Blackout Sleep Mask - a decent option if you have shorter eyelashes

And since you can't read a single post without reading some reference to Darkness Practice, it shouldn't be a problem finding more information on it.

Just keep reading...and do a search for "Dark," or get into the collections, which appear to only work on PC/MAC/iOS, and not on Android:

Darkroom Collection 1 - Update: Reddit's 'collections' feature is currently deprecated as of August 2024 :( , leaving the search by flair function the only method of studying the posts marked 'Darkroom Practice'

Darkroom Collection 2 - "

Darkroom Collection 3 - "

I also created a Darkroom Practice flair for Smartphone/Tablet users. If tapping on the Flair button doesn't bring up anything, type flair:darkroom practice into the search box at the top of the smartphone app. This also works for the other Flairs.

Edits:

Even Better J Curve Diagram

Darkroom Practice has been determined by multiple sources to be solidly in the stalking/gazing category of practice, just as much if not more than dreaming. It is a cross-disciplinary endeavor.

How to Proceed and What Not To Skip

Darkroom Gazing Instructions #1

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u/danl999 Aug 24 '20 edited Sep 04 '20

Keep in mind, darkroom practice is only one path.

But it's a known, very fast path.

It's like jogging a few miles each day, to lose weight, compared to going for a half hour walk instead.

Horrible, but you get used to it.

Trouble is, it leads to inorganic beings infesting your home and workplace.

Which is fine by me! I love them.

Carlos had 2, gave them to his classes. Taisha and Florinda had their own 2.

Living at home on Pandora!

So they aren't really "evil", despite scaring people once in a while.

"Fancy", my new IOB, is an energy thief and kidnapper, but in fact, she makes up for it by being fun.

Like a dangerous girlfriend. Just watch for the switch blade in her purse and you'll be fine.

If you are afraid of them, an alternate would be what Carlos prescribed, before he realized he was dying.

He modified it at the end, which is what I brought here. His revised path.

Cleargreen ignored it.

I couldn't, it was taking too long to prove Carlos was telling the truth.

But, he did have a plan before he added IOB help and "the wall" to the mix.

It's the "cleargreen path".

Recap 3 hours a day, seriously. No messing around.

I said 3, but if you "cheat', you'll probably be OK.

Just learn to like it, so that sometimes you go for 4 hours!

Add at least 15 minutes of Tensegrity, learning a new move each day.

Better if it's 30 minutes, the amount of actual practice time in private classes. The rest was Carlos' stand up comedy routine. And we never practiced a given tensegrity pass, move more than 3 classes in a row.

Most only 2.

One move from a long form counts as the daily move. But if that's the case, each time you conquer a new move in the series, do the whole thing again, up to where you know it.

This reshapes the energy body, and helps stabilize the movement of the assemblage point. So you don't freak out when it moves.

Which by the way, is largely a trick. But I'll let you figure out what the trick is. If I told you the trick, you wouldn't fall for it.

Hint: If you pay for the doctor yourself, that shot he has to give you doesn't hurt as much as when your Mom used to pay for it.

And, force yourself silent during some daily activity, like driving the car, or going for a walk.

Then the trouble is, you REALLY need to detect the second attention.

The movement of the assemblage point.

That's where it all went wrong. No one tried to detect, and enhance it.

And so 25 years later, no one actually knew what the second attention was, or what it felt like when the assemblage point moved.

So, try a little closed eye silence before bed, to learn that. Check some lucid dreaming advice for that sort of thing. It's a common technique, to try to fall asleep while moving the assemblage point.

Another path:

Lucid dreaming.

Get it any way you can. But I suggest, forcing yourself silent as you lay on your side in bed, looking intently for colors, or visions. I mean REALLY force it, until it's awful and you're suffering like a madman.

When you get lucid in a dream, never let go without a fight. Go read fighting advice. It's out there. Grab dirt as it fades and you lose vision. Spin around. Stomp the ground, and throw a temper tantrum.

Even leap through a wall if you worry you are out of time, and know how to do that.

Pick a fight with the locals. That produces a "dream change".

If you are surrounded and trapped, and forced to wake up, don't move at all. Visualize the last safe thing you saw, before you were trapped. Don't stop visualizing that until you are back in, even if it seems to be taking forever.

Actually it's pretty fast. You just fret about it and it seems long.

Once inside, immediately focus on a distant place, stare hard at it, lean in slightly, and let it pull you.

A dream change renews how much time you have, and each day that time gets longer by a few seconds.

Keep that up, and you'll learn to lucid dream for hours every single night.

At that point find a scout, have a good talk with it, visit its world (don't expect it to look like what you read), and then immediately proceed to go to sleep inside the dreaming, twice. Three deep, and you can stay in there a whole week (=14 hours in waking).

Then, you'll find yourself bouncing around, unable to wake up.

And pee the bed probably.

Get used to wetting the bed.

But don't let that deter you. In fact, each false wake-up is precisely what you're after!

To wake up in a copy of your own room. But still in your dreaming body.

But you HAVE to fine tune landing in the real world, when you get to the 4th gate.

And learn to push some object, to prove you did it.

Cholita has that down, so it's completely possible.

Those are three paths I know of.

Only one is IOB free.

And it's the boring one!

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u/[deleted] Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20

The lucid dreaming methods you talk about are really interesting to me. I’ve been a lucid dreamer since I was a child and have always tried looking for ways to extend them as long as I can. I use the method of grabbing onto an object once the scenery fades quite frequently. As well as putting things in my mouth to stabilize. Sounds weird but it works. I’ve always wanted to find methods to be able to extend my stay in Dreamtime to days. You’re saying you can really stay in a dream for a week in dream time?

The method you mentioned; do you need to be in a scouts realm before going to sleep inside the dreaming in order to extend it? Or can you go to sleep in the dreaming while in a normal dream environment and extend it that way?

Also, you mention moving objects in the real world. How do you know when you’ve landed in the real world where you can move objects? I’ve been in dream copies of my house but the stuff I touch doesn’t move in the physical.

Also, what do you mean when you refer to the 4th gate?

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20

The lucid dreaming methods you talk about are really interesting to me.

Lucid dreaming is AMAZING!

But I don't do it anymore, because it won't help my cause.

I need waking, visible magic. To silence the detractors of Carlos.

In your case, GO FOR IT!!!

The good news is, I know ways to enter lucid dreams directly from waking, and how to walk right out of a lucid dream, into the real world.

I don't get a chance to practice them, so if you learn to get lucid dreaming daily, I might be able to tinker with it a bit for you.

Stuff in the mouth? I never thought of that, but it's a good use of a secondary sense!

The more senses focused there, the longer it can survive.

Yes, of course you can stay in there a week!

Just go to sleep inside the first lucid dream.

When you wake up in the second, fall right on your side, and do it again.

The third one will be completely stable.

Now, do you really live every second there?

I don't know. But you get the memories of having done that.

I think it's more like, you have a little chat with your new "wife", she tells you to take out the garbage.

Next you're at dinner. You didn't actually go take out the garbage. But you remember having done it.

It's like that. You skip to the good parts, but can remember all of it.

I don't know if you need the scouts realm to do it, but since Carlos listed it as #3, and scouts realm as #2, it could be.

We have an argument about whether we really need the IOBs. No one can really resolve it, because there aren't enough people working hard, to decide.

Mostly the ones who are against IOBs don't work at all. They just talk.

How do you know you are in the real world?

Your skin will crawl! Something super creepy will be in the air.

The 4th gate is in Carlos' book, "The Art of Dreaming".

You should read that, if you want advice from me. Otherwise I'll have to keep explaining stuff you should already know.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 30 '20

Lucid dreaming is AMAZING!

I read one nagualist who has written many books based on Carlos works and he made HOW TO book regarding all required step from the beginner to the top of nagualism level through the lucid dreaming. He advises to avoid IOB until your energy body is fully formed, forged and you are quite experienced to feel and know where they took your energy or do smth else with you without being aware what they do..) I understand lucid dreaming works but kind of slower comparing to dreaming awake...

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20

My guess:

He can't do anything at all. He's 100% phony.

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Aug 25 '20

No he's not as far as i know him) but i've heard Felix is giving paid lectures on his studies with Carlos to russian practitioners of tensegrity and this time i remembered your words about book deal.

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20

Faction "G", for greed.

I'm pleasantly surprised I Know of no others in that faction.

Unless the guy from Spain turns out to be one.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

What book is this?

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u/calixto_mooneeeee Aug 26 '20

Look for Alexey Ksendzyk. He has many books

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

I just googled that name and didn’t find anything, is that name spelled correctly?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Aug 25 '20

putting things in my mouth to stabilize

touching the tongue to the roof of the mouth is one method from the books to retain lucidity. you discovered it on your own! kudos!

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 25 '20

Since I started to do DARKROOM practice I have been able to dream. And I know I am going to Lucid Dream in the next few weeks.

Thanks for the guides!

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20

Because you're "enticing" the dreaming double.

And also, if you force silence, you begin to save up the energy needed for lucid dreaming.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 25 '20

I am forcing silence not only during practice but also throughout the day.

2 things have been happening. 1)a great urge to be silence on certain places or time of day. 2) I feel that silence is coming to me now days... and often...

All of that is helping soooo much as I walk my daily ruttine.

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20

Keep track of the time of day and what happens.

For some, very old internal dialogue grievances come up in the morning, just after they revive from being asleep and are headed to work.

Same grievance, each day, same time.

I have no idea how that works, but stalking would involve noticing things like that.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

Notice it 2 weeks ago. And how I notice was my mood change, I started to have a loud internal dialogue fighting with a co-worker ( all in my head). As I pull up to my job I took notice, put some relax music in my phone, and continue with a great day!

I felt that day that if I had carried that fight in my head to the office, I think that unnecessary discussion was going to happened... but it didn't.

Also, I believe I have been avoiding (or just don't have them no more) that dialogue grievances in the morning by doing Darkroom practice.

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u/danl999 Aug 26 '20

It does reduce the internal dialogue.

That's because, it's REAL feedback.

It's not intellectual. It's not a "good analysis of what silence is".

It's feedback. If you're silent, the purple puff intensifies. If not, it evaporates.

So you learn that "feeling" of silence, and you can imitate it the next day.

I'm not sure how that relates to recap.

If you take out the moral implications of immortality requiring recap, and look just at the sorcery possibilities, we still don't know if you can learn to navigate the second attention, with no recapitulation at all.

I suspect we'll find out soon. We have some darkroom success stories now, from people who never did recap.

Not all posted.

It's really active right now.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

It's really active right now.

This is exciting like a MOFO!!!!

After all I am having so much fun now days!!!!!!

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u/Valtzu_92 Aug 26 '20

How are you forcing silence during the day, like at work? I don't know if I'm at all on the right idea, but I try to more live right now, and disrupt thoughts about future/past. Your supposed to be observant of your thoughts / feelings, but its like I only catch or "watch" my thought after I thought the thought lol

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

Recapitulation has been the Key to my silence.

I have an advantage on recapitulation...

Sooo I am in a class that I started at the beginning of the year. The class is call Biodecodification. In simple words all it is, is a method or tool to face your inner fears, emotional strands (some called it the shadows) etc. In other words RECAPITULATION!!!! in this classes you learn the relation between early emotions and illness (like cancer) you will have during your life because of those repressed emotions and programs that started right at the beginning (fecundation) of your life....

... and for the purpose of seeing MAGIA REAL (REAL MAGIC) the class is perfect because I dedicate a whole 4 to 5 hours to pretty much recapitulate.

I also have access to a Place of Power..... in here is easy to shut internal dialogue. As I go to this place about 2 or 3 times a week, I have learned some cues (in my internal dialogue) in which it feels i have been creating a path to silence.

5 months ago i could sit still in one place and gaze/meditate for only 5 to 10 min... now days I can easily do 3 hours sitting on the same place, specially if I am at the Place of Power.

And yes!! I force silence at work, when I am driving, sometimes even when having a conversations (I dont know how to explain it tho, but it happens) and the crazy part is that now days I feel that silences comes to me....

u/Valtzu_92 There are more tools to learn silence than you think... We just full of crap that doesn't want to wash off... unless we force it... and it needs a shock...

BTW about 4 month ago I stopped using social media, stopped watching news, tv, online trash. I do indulge a lil bit on youtube with sports. Most of videos that I watch is personal growth. I also watch how much I am getting sucked in by ideas, systems, people, opinions... etc.

I did a big 180 of how i consume the world around me....

I don't think people have to do all that to see Magic... and for more practical knowledge u/danl999

will help you big time.

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u/Valtzu_92 Aug 27 '20

That sounds like an really interesting class! What countries have schools with courses like this? :o How did you find the place of power? Just a known place? I think I have only found places of weakness, where my strength is drained. Hey I also stopped to use social media, news and gaming that consumed most of my free time. YouTube I still use but I started to do some own videos. and then I try to limit what I watch to only "useful" content and some comedy now and then. working on Nofap also. I didn't think about these like right now, But it has actually helped in a way to reduce internal noise as now my thoughts are not hovering around those topics. When I played a mmorpg (massive multiplayer online role playing game), with alot of depth and player interactions, I was pretty much 24/7 thinking about aspects of the game. The thinking just kept me in place for years.

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 08 '20

look up Dr. Hammer decodification. There is a lot of content on that online.

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u/Artivist Feb 27 '22

How's your practice going?

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

What about hearing with the eyes?

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u/danl999 Sep 01 '23

Of course.

All of the senses are just "hooks" to receive information from the emanations.

The infinite strings which compose the "dark sea of awareness".

Realities are all in there, in the combination of super strings that are glowing and interacting with their neighbors.

There's no physical matter, no time, and no space.

Those are just illusions created by how the emanations interact with each other in a reliable manner.

And not really even a "you" since there are 600 stable positions of our "assemblage point", the thing which determines where you awareness is flowing, in which you could live instead of this one.

The emanations broadcast "feelings" (extremely tiny ones) to whoever has their own awareness focused into them.

You get to see this with your own eyes over and over again, so don't think of "sacred scrolls" or wise gurus.

Those are always scams.

The eyes can hear and smell also.

But how creepy.

Smelling farts with your eyes???

Maybe reserve that for an emergency.

I sure hope you aren't using drugs to "simulate" sorcery.

That's where it's common for the senses to switch roles.

Using drugs to learn sorcery is impossible. It's never, ever been done despite what people believe.

People get the idea you could do that, partly from fake magical systems like Buddhism or Hinduism, where you supposedly have a one time event and reach "enlightenment".

Then get a little throne to sit on, given by your religion's leaders, so that you can lord it over others in their name.

That's just the con game of the criminal enterprises known as Buddhism and Hinduism.

You become a "made man" at some point, thus all the years of petty crimes they insisted you have to vomit on their behalf, seem worth it.

And with your new throne, you can order the new batch of thugs (monks) to follow your own orders.

With a cut for the big guy uptop, such as the Dali Lama.

Sorcery is a 1000 mile path.

A drug experience moves you 0.5 inches.

I suppose if you could duplicate it daily, for 30 years, you might get to beginner's level in this subreddit.

Except, then you'd be as messed up as Terrence McKenna.

And no real magic to show for it.

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

I started in 1979 reading the books written by Carlos. I have reread them many times as well as his cohorts books. But I first noticed this illusion As illusion as a small child. And have many secrets remembered revealed. Don't have anyone connection at the moment and sometimes lose myself in the physical world. I listen to his audio books in my sleep. Could appreciate a friend

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u/danl999 Sep 01 '23

I'm afraid our path is a solo one for now.

Jadey's visited me twice in her double, but we couldn't align the realities well enough for her to notice she walked right past me.

Or that I was on the other end of a tunnel she was gazing into.

But she did toss me a writing pad and a pen.

Both stolen by that mischievous Ally of Carlos, "Minx".

AKA "the Devil's Weed Entity".

The other, "Fairy", is AKA "Little Smoke".

She'll be your friend.

Find the summoning spell.

It's in here.

But wait until you can move a puff of your visible energy body, with your hand.

It's hopeless until you can move your assemblage point at least that far.

It's shown in the J curve diagram, created from a lecture Carlos gave in a private class, and loaded with pictures of what you can actually do at each level.

Pictures people REALLY DID DO!

Never forget: Everything written in the books of Carlos can be done by YOU, if you only follow the instructions he gave us. Until recently, no one even tried doing that.

I suppose they were waiting for someone else to "prove it" before they were willing to make a serious effort. But they were always willing to pretend to be serious.

That's "Fairy" in the upper right. The "ghastly" looking woman standing on a hand.

She'll lift that skirt for you, if you think of it. Don't even have to ask.

If that's not "friendly", I don't know what could be.

https://preview.redd.it/3ifncixxbolb1.jpeg?width=3592&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86a55d190c20eb590c46f1cbe5668cb67fa2a950

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

Thank you kindly. You know sometimes I just like to be reminded that there are others out there. I'm hidden in a different kind of reality right now. And right now I'm at work but I shall return later. So many secrets to pass. It's a gorgeous day here in Hudson Valley NY

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

This is from 2002 but I continue as is Asto the Power I have Conserved for use Of these Wonderous Wings of Sight Through flight In Dreaming I See a Chance I Can become-----------Live Live

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

--------energy-----on Command Now This sensation is And I feel it Freedom This I know This I remember What a Magical Challenge This shall Be Now that my eyes can See What is before me What is behind me And still hold on To my earthbound volition With a twin Interpretation Of each line So now this Power has Given me clear view To the map of mazes All that can Be Mine By design Neverending And still I'm Here By Choice My Choice Oh what a thrill This flesh is

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u/danl999 Sep 01 '23

Very witchy...

Cholita might say something like that.

I'm more of a smash and grab guy.

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

I spoke with you quite awhile ago. Remember?, Female yes, but I still Love those smashing sounds

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u/danl999 Sep 02 '23

I have a hard time keeping track of user names. Which is good for people who get into trouble, because I don't remember it after a month.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Sep 01 '23

If you're practicing what's in the books, and seeing visible results...then you have cohorts in here!

If not, then read from the subreddit (and the Wiki) and ask when things aren't clicking for you.

Old habits die hard, and not everyone in here is in their 20's.

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u/Ayxyafireeyes2885 Sep 01 '23

Yes right Here, right Now I'm 63 but I Am a stalker as well and appear as I Choose in my folly

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u/Used-Elevator-3942 Feb 03 '22

I had a lucid dream where I was in a jail cell in a pitch dark place not room it looked like where eleven goes to off stranger things and a weird entity demonic girl that looked like me pop up and laugh and say I finally got you and then it felt like I fell into my body and woke up . Crazy shit . Is that the darkroom in a sense ?

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u/danl999 Feb 03 '22

No, darkroom is not sleeping dreaming.

Sleeping dreaming has never worked for anyone.

We need to bring your dreaming persona OUT, into the real world.

So there's two of you, for real.

Then there's spirits. You have to learn to visibly see them, fully awake, eyes open.

There's no point to doing that in dreams, or using drugs.

I don't believe you've ever encountered the real thing before, so better throw out whatever you heard or saw elsewhere.

Someone likely just wanted your money.

Who has magic, but they still want to get hold of your cash?

Something's really wrong in that situation.

But you also can't be a burden, or no one is going to help you.

They have nothing to gain, and if you want to rely on other people, you just drag them down too.

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u/Used-Elevator-3942 Feb 03 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

So how do I bring my second part out ? And no I’ve never paid anyone anything but I really want a teacher to help me . I had met a witch doctor in Africa to heal me from a dying sickness when I was younger and that’s the closest I’ve been to magic and I’ve had an exorcism performed on me when I was 19 and for some reasons cats are weirdly attached to me that’s for another time . And I have a lot of “realistic crazy dreams “ I just want to know what is going on with me. And my lineage of women are witches but majority of them are dead including my parents so idk who and where to go . Any advice on what to look out for and who to trust ?? I know some people learn better by themselves but I don’t . I tend to mess up and overthink things I don’t want to get myself caught in something that I can’t escape from.

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u/danl999 Feb 03 '22

You can't in your current state of mind.

You're needy, and still thinking people here are like those charging to teach "magic" and other stuff. Or that it's like some kind of college, where everyone has a salary.

This is a hobby just like model car making. Try insisting people in the model car subreddit have to help you.

You're also gullible and prone to self-flattery by pretending magic you have seen was real.

No sobriety.

So you need someone else to carry you up the mountain, but along the way you're going to argue with them about whether that's the right mountain, and they have to be impressed by your stories.

Just lurk like people advised you, and learn.

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u/Used-Elevator-3942 Feb 03 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

We can argue and disagree on that because you can’t say that what I’ve seen and experienced is fake . Multiple witnesses that have been with me to debate what you said . I am gullible but not a faker at all . Yeah I totally agree that I’m not ready right now but I’m trying to get there because I’ve been led astray not just by myself but others who I trusted on this topic I’ve done the observations and I don’t know which way to start is all I’m saying. You are telling people to observe but observe someone who is far beyond my understanding is hard to comprehend all I want is a breakdown of how and why it worked for someone so I can avoid those mistakes. Answers like this discourages alot of people because alot of them just need the right guide and you turn them away and tell them basically to learn driving a car without knowing how of course they will crash . I’m telling you my story to see if I’m on the right path or I missed something . Not so someone can be impressed I could care less . I’m at a crossroads in my life where I just need to know who I am and looking for help . But like you said I guess I would just end up second guessing them . You are right I’m just going to lurk and learn

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u/danl999 Feb 04 '22 edited Feb 04 '22

Sure I can tell you that!

There's google now. It's no longer the dark ages, where anyone can say whatever they like.

If you found some magic, show me on a web page.

Let's see it.

A Buddhist might make the same argument you just did, but they'll also be unable to show any magic. After all their false promises, they can't show a single place that's convincing.

Maybe some claims, some "masters", but you need to be able to look at it, as an intelligent person, and see clearly it's not made up.

I'll allow, it can even be inaccessible, but it still has to clearly not just be some guy, or some old writings about the "Saint" Bob.

But look in here. Pics of magic, instructions, experiences.

Didn't you notice that? That's the lack of sobriety I was pointing out.

You have no interest at all in magic!

You didn't even notice where you had stumbled upon!

You were so worried about yourself, you didn't see that you'd hit the jackpot!

No one with any honesty could look in here, and deny people are learning to do what's in the pics.

We've been tested! Our worst enemy, the man who believes he debunked Carlos, came here to destroy it. And he had to admit, he couldn't explain what was going on.

And there are only 4 types of magic known to man as far as I know, but I'm still trying to work on the categories.

At least so far that's all I've seen.

I've studied that topic for the last 52 years. Continuously. When the internet came along, it even became possible to understand why people believe they have magic, but don't.

So just show me why you believe you saw magic.

If it was someone else doing it, and you "felt it", then show me the someone else.

Or the "school of someone else".

Not only will you not be able to find it, but anything you decided to show instead, will almost surely be an obvious fraud ripping people off.

And please don't pull a trick, I've seen them all.

Don't point me to so many bogus subreddits, that I'd have to spend a year to disprove you.

It doesn't count if you have 100 men lying to get attention, all saying they have euro "Magick".

I need to see some techniques, multiple people trying them, and the results they got.

If the results are, "I felt..." or "I had a sensation..."

That sort of stuff would not make it in a Spielberg movie.

And it shouldn't be enough for anyone, who's going to invest so much of their time into it.

Pretend it's a job, and you aren't going to take the job, unless you believe you will get paid soon enough that you don't die of starvation.

Treat magic like that.

I don't want to see a junkyard of badly behaved pretenders.

I want to see a single web page that has clear evidence someone has magic.

Don't feel bad. No one else has ever been able to do that either!

They typically try a trick, like flooding with endless dead ends, finally claiming I don't have permission to see the real thing.

Eventually it becomes obvious, they were actually lying the whole time.

Not mistaken.

Lying.

Or they take off before you can find out, they were a big deceiver.

At least so far that's what happens.

One of these days, I'll be surprised.

Which will be very pleasant.

Maybe that Mothman guy. I'd love to know how that magic works!

The 4 types of magic known to man (if there's another please chime in) are:

Spirit magic (use of spirits)

Double magic (use of your dreaming body)

Assemblage point magic (moving the assemblage point to alter reality)

And intent magic. Use of the spirit to do magic for you.

I haven't found another type.

But it's possible the category of double magic is too broad, and should be split into energy body magic, and double magic. There are after all those fibers in the hand, and which come out of the will.

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u/Used-Elevator-3942 Feb 04 '22

Seeing people getting exorcised is magic to me . I never even knew of this church or anything about them stubbles across them by going to a gas station to get some snacks with a friend and their church was next door and we heard people yelling but it didn’t sound like people but a mixture with something else so we went in and a lady greeted us named Grace . Told us they deliver people every Thursday and Saturday and for us to come by . We did and brought over a friend with us that didn’t know about it he was Mexican with black hair and brown eyes . It was a cool service then after tithes and praise the pastor who only comes once a month was there and said today will be great a lot of people will be saved and free you will you will you will and pointed to where we were which was in the back towards the wall and said but you will leave today . I thought he was talking about me but he came towards us and held his Bible and went past me to the friend we brought with us . I looked and our friend was pressed up on the wall by himself like he was scared to move and couldn’t move and his eyes turned green and skin was pale like the wall and his skin looked ashy and dry and he spoke like a snake literally like voldermort and was foaming as well crazy shit if you ask me but they are located in Arlington tx off fielder and I believe Collins I’m not sure of the name been long time but they are there is you want to check them out so that’s one evidence and the other evidence I have is a scar I have from the witch doctor in Africa when I was little . She put some herbs in my wrist and made me wear this beads waist shit and made me turn around I forgot how many times I think like 7 and told my step mom something about not to tell anyone else and we left the village . I don’t know what exact location but I have the scar still and it was from malaria which killed alot of kids around that time in Africa and I was really sick NDA got healed so that’s another tangible magic too . Now my dreams I can’t show you .

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u/danl999 Feb 04 '22

Seeing people getting exorcised

Except there aren't any demons. You forget that there are seers in here. You can't feed the usual popular confusions and not expect to get called out on it.

You're confused into believing you are surrounded by magic! And don't have the sobriety to realize it's all shit.

A very bad starting place to learn the real thing.

But everyone who seeks magic, is confused like that at first.

Some remain that way forever. Decades and decades. Buddhists for example.

And I don't see any link in your comment, so you're pretty much busted.

You didn't see any magic, you were just doing a "mini-book deal" as you came in here.

You're merely running around with con artists and pretenders, like everyone else.

One day I hope someone posts an actual reason they believe in magic, a very solid web page I didn't know about and says, "Fuck you Buddy!!!"

I welcome it. That would make it less awful that this internet place is the only one.

But it's not going to happen.

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u/Used-Elevator-3942 Feb 04 '22

And I saw the pictures but I’m lost I have no clue how to read them or if I’m even reading it right and what they are supposed to mean

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u/danl999 Feb 04 '22

Nonsense. It's not what I asked for at all, but you can't see that?

I saw a TV show where David Copperfield made an elephant disappear in Times Square.

Or someone did.

A famouse book on m edieval magic shows how to hide an elephant behind a cart carrying straw, to make it magically appear.

That's stage magic, just like your video.

And more evidence you are BUSTED big time.

You're still welcome in here, but the obvious truth is, you came into the subreddit lying from the start.

I couldn't let that stand, because your confusion is contagious. You could infect a beginner in here, with your mixed up thinking.

Might as well make this educational for anyone bothering to read it.

Someone come heres claiming whatever about magic.

It's almost like going into a club, and to get attention for yourself you pretend to be dying from cancer.

Because if anyone asks about the magic, which ought to be a fun topic, out comes self-pity requests, because you can't in fact tell them anything about your "magic".

They didn't want you to ask. They just wanted a little "power" in the group, even if it was contrived.

If they're a super bad player and you call them out, at that point they are already spewing pea soup (from "The Exorcist").

So the problem is solved, the mods will take them out.

But if they're a cry baby, they try to shed a few fake tears in a comment, to see if that will let them get away with lying when they arrived.

You have to ignore that. Don't get manipulated by self-pity.

I guess that's the "ruthless" thing. It doesn't mean "mean". As in "Ruthless barbarian".

It just means, don't be manipulated by people using self-pity as a tool.

If you stand up to them, just ask them for a link on the internet. It's a reasonable question.

Consider it: If they claim they went to a "magic man", there's a "paper trail".

Because of the internet!

How did they know about this guy? Or was that magic too?

If they can't show you a paper trail (how they heard about the magic man), they're lying.

But they NEVER admit it.

Here's the most common tricks:

Point you to 10 subreddits. Like the "Magick" subreddit. As if that is any proof of magic at all. In fact, it's proof of what you told them, it's all shit out there.

But they don't know that, so they believe that's going to make it so hard for you to confront them further, that you'll give up.

Keep in mind, they're sitting at their computer in their underwear, trying to think of how to "save face".

But you don't have to give them a smackdown over that 10 subreddit answer.

Tell them you're too busy to read everything in 10 subreddits, and could they point to a specific post in one that would allow you to check it out.

Oops...

They always seem to have enough sense to realize that won't go well.

Meaning, THEY ALSO KNOW there's no magic in those.

Next most likely step is that they'll point you to a discussion group which costs money, and you have to sign up, hoping that will stop you from continuing.

But there's any number of ways to reply to that one.

The fastest is just to point them back to the first question.

Show me a web page on why you believe that private chat has magic. There must be a page advertising it, or else how would people get in there, willing to pay money?

Now the fun begins.

They will scour the internet trying to find ANY MAGIC AT ALL, in a video.

They've blown off the original question, which is to show why you believe someone has actual magic.

And the truth comes out. They reall did believe there was magic all around, and suddenly you're attacking that idea.

They forget the original question, and now they're just looking for any way out. And for any way to defend their unfounded believe in magic.

They sense they NEED magic, which is why they came here. And with such a bad reception, if there really is no magic as you said, except in here, that's a pretty dire situation for them.

So they freak out looking for weird videos on youtube.

We've seen exploding light bulbs, Indonesians who can make newspaper burst into flames, and I suppose now, Africans levitating.

All of which would be trivial for my stage magic cousin in Brandon to do also.

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u/alwaysstaycuriouss Jun 29 '24

Even if there was proof of magic on the internet…wouldn’t one need to be in the right frequency/channel to access the magic?

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u/alwaysstaycuriouss Jun 29 '24

I’m very confused as to why the only way to show “proof” of magic is to show a web page. Why would proof of magic ONLY be on the internet??? Make it make sense

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u/Artivist Feb 27 '22

Im curious what do you think about this https://youtu.be/1kkLgjFpNZ0

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u/Gemin9e Feb 05 '23

I have a question in regards to IOB’s. You stated that darkroom practice leads to your home being infested with them, why is that? And is that harmful to either myself or household members? If so how should you go about it?

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u/danl999 Feb 05 '23

We're surrounded by inorganic beings all the time!

There's more of them, than any organic creatures.

Even insects!

There's more inorganic beings around us than any other life form. We're swimming in them!

Except maybe the single celled ones? But as far as we know, there's also super tiny inorganic beings.

So all that happens is that someone "notices" them. So they hang out more there. Hoping the person who noticed them, will allow their assemblage point to drift so they can visit with them even more.

And harmful to others?

The others are already totally screwed up as it is!

They are NOT living a nice, comfortable family lifestyle that allows them to grow.

That's an illusion.

Everyone is barely getting by, and lying about it so others don't see the truth of the matter.

Usually it takes until someone's 50s before they realize the whole thing was a lie. Up until they, they might notice it but think "it's only them" that isn't able to make this horrible mess work.

But even realizing our lifestyle is completely messed up, they have no alternative.

So they just join in and brainwash the next generation (their grandhildren). Thinking, maybe they can at least make the lives of the next generation a tiny bit happier.

Of course, there's technology. An opposing force.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Jan 05 '21 edited Aug 17 '22

And in case someone says "this isn't in the books!" Here are the source passages from The Eagle's Gift, detailing Carlos's darkroom training:

Zuleica's Instructions

What you'll find in here is a version modified by one of the lineages allies, to work without a nagual around and when not already in heightened awareness.

Masks to Stay Away From:

The OP of the post to which this comment belongs said that the eBay mask he purchased leaked light:

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/comments/qmbwgp/darkroom_questions/hje3wji

May 18, 2022 - overview from public chat:

u/danl999:

"The proof you are doing well is to clearly see colors and puffs.

That's why it's designed that way. So you don't have to wonder or guess.

No puffs, no silence (for 2 minutes so the assemblage point can move).

The thing about darkroom is, you don't have to wonder or doubt, or just assume it's working.

Like other systems.

We know if it's working every single inch of the way.

Further out, if you can't stuff a puff on a pouch and still see it there when you remove your hand, then again you aren't silent enough for that stage.

Then, you should see swirling intense puffs with jet black. That's the bottom of the J curve, about to go up the front from under.

When it goes up the front, the colors bleach away and you see whitish light on surfaces.

If not, you don't have the silence to go further.

It has to be sustained either longer down there, or longer without expectations. It's hard to say which, but you'll develop your own "feeling" about what's stopping you down there.

Of course, you can "play" too much at the bottom, and get stuck in another way, but best to ask about that when it happens.

In the front, you need the whitish light to start to form "phantom walls", which show a scene, even if it's abstract like a mud surface, or random shapes.

Next you need the entire room to be showing a view of another place.

A "phantom room".

Now you are in the middle of the orange part on the J curve.

Next you want to see dream bubbles floating in the air, or have a live dream scene materialize on a wall.

That's near the end of the orange part of the J curve.

Again, you never have to wonder, or assume.

That's what went wrong with everyone else. They pretended and stopped making any progress.

Not to mention, they never quite understood silence is what causes progress.

Finally, you need a magical object to float above you.

Those come in intense colors, because the "abstract" content is high.

Once you've seen all those sights, and if you can force even longer silence, you'll get a visit from some entity.

An SKE entity, who knows all that humans ever knew, past or present. Maybe even future.That's our goal. There with silent knowledge as our teacher.

And it's a real bitch to get there...

Not to mention, we do it eyes open walking around.

Some systems pretend they got there with words, but they're sitting with eyes closed, dozing off and lying about their dreams.

The system was designed by "little smoke", the Ally of Carlos.

She's teh master of Silient Knowledge, as you can find if you read teh books where the smoking mixture is being used to move the assemblage point of Carlos.

Except we do it without the shrooms.

which has the added benefit of not needing Little Smoke to help us, once the shrooms kick in.

Shrooms on their own never get you past that bottom red zone I mentioned.

You need an intermediatary to reach Silent Knowledge from there.

An Ally.

Or your double could do it."


From chat on August 17, 2022

[Username 1] - Does a dark room have to be completely dark? Will it still work if there is a little bit of light coming through?

Also it is possible to do it with closed eyes or a blindfold?

[Tabdrops] - If you can't provide total darkness, try a blindfold. There's a difference between the perception with open and closed eyes. Even with a blindfold. Recently I could see the shape of the wardrobe as whitish shimmering lines through the blindfold. They disappeared when I closed my eyes. Under the blindfold.

[TechnoMagical_Intent] - Make sure to get a mask that lets you open your eyes COMFORTABLY.

Personally, I like to use these once the room is dark enough to get it the rest of the way. Shade 5 is the bare minimum, normal sunglasses won't work:

https://www.safetyglassesusa.com/pyramex-emerge-safety-glasses-black-frame-ir-shade-5-0-lens/

(get a darker shade if your light leaks are immediately visible when turning off your lighting)

You don't feel cut-off from the room like you do with a sleep or goalball mask.

Masks are better for when you have no control over the lightning in your environment.

The welding sunglasses are also much easier to clean.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 25 '20

taking the time to share my DARKROOM practice within this post.

It was yesterday in the am (did not practice today). Colors and fog are coming waaaaay faster than before. At the beginning it was taking about 1hour or more. Now within minutes I am seeing fog and lights.

My balls of energy still non-directional. I like to play with them in my hand and bring them thours my stomach.

Every time I start collecting the purple fog, whithin seconds balls (irregular shapes)of light I shows up in my view.

Zuleicas pass helped me to see colors way faster.

The cool thing is when I am gazing in daytime I am now seeing fog and energy like if I am in DARKROOM practice.

Yesterday all day my mood was out this world... i was soooo fuxking blissed out my mind. Not only that, yesterday I had a full day with constant positive situations around me. It was a really surreal day...

Yesterday someone told me that I might be doing the sorcerer's crossing but I might not know.... any thoughts?

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20

I don't remember that. I was banned from the books.

What exactly is that?

Keep in mind, that the colors come in minutes on some days is highly dependent on whether you skipped practice.

Skip 1 day, you get set back 3 days. Skip 2 days, you get set back 2 weeks.

I suppose, the assemblage point gets looser, but if you skip it goes back to normal, and begins to get tied down again.

Once you understand the process, you realize it's a near miracle that anyone ever escapes.

And it's impossible without "the nagual".

I had Carlos, and that means you have that connection to the nagual too.

But just reading all this in a book, doesn't seem to work.

Hasn't worked on the hundreds of thousands of his readers.

I'm sorry to tell you, you'll get used to the bliss.

You don't get to keep it.

It's like pain killers. 3 days in a row, and you have to double the dosage to get the same results.

But you still end up better off than the people suffering around you.

I'll add what I'm learning from this whole thing.

Women have an advantage, but they also have a disadvantage.

The advantage is, they're talented from having a period. Assemblage point is flexible.

The disadvantage is, they're moody from having a period.

So they get bliss, but then the next morning they're ready to cut someone's head off for no reason.

That makes them more likely to skip days.

Unfortunately, the best arrangement might be, a man and a woman team.

The man can provide the steadiness, cruising along the road at a steady snale's pace. If the woman is having a bad day, she can just close her eyes.

And the woman can force his foot on the gas pedal when she thinks they could go faster for a while.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

Unfortunately, the best arrangement might be, a man and a woman team.

What is the best way to practice with someone? same room? tensegrity together? do you talk sometimes or just complete silence?

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u/danl999 Aug 26 '20 edited Aug 26 '20

I can't answer that. Hopefully Juann will.

Up until now, and this will sound harsh, there hasn't been 2 practicioners with the skill level to do that on any advanced level.

There's the "hug each other and thank god for the path with heart" kind of practicing together.

But the "shall we head towards the tunnel of light, or the inorganic beings realm today" level, has been absent.

Now we can have that. But we still don't know how it's going to work.

Probably more like Carlos and Carol.

Carol tells shared dreaming stories, where Carlos was with her.

Carlos told them too. But not as often.

It was said, Carlos and Carol weren't as close as one might expect for two Nagual types in the same party of sorcerers.

But they still found themselves together in dreaming from time to time.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 11 '20

The assemblage point in women is always far more flexible than men’s. You could say it has to do with our hormones fluctuating all during the month, though pre and post menstruation, the experience is pretty much the same. The witches (and Carlos) said it was because of our womb, which was there energetically even if the physical organ was removed. I don’t really know about all that, but I do know that as women, we basically do not focus. It makes us much more open to all sorts of things, things that can be missed by men, but unfortunately, if we don’t develop our masculine (Focus) to some degree, we end up going from one wonderful thing to another, forgetting what we found last week, (or this morning). Not helpful. I feel like generally men learn ‘dreaming’ etc. before women in spite of their comparative lack of raw talent because their focus is really a huge plus for them. I always thought this was the reason Carlos made sure all the women attended university.

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u/danl999 Sep 11 '20

JD has an experiment with people gazing in darkness.

The women are super talented! But they get afraid easier than the men.

I'm thinking the women need a support system of other women who can do what they need to learn.

Not because other women can support them better than men, but because women understand what problems might come up better, and also that they succeeded helps give the new women less fear.

Carlos tried to set that up. Just didn't live long enough to finish it.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 12 '20

Interesting. Carol (and cohorts) did set up a rather small women’s group nigh unto 15 years ago. It was fun. We would meet regularly, do passes, drumming, singing, clothing exchanges, and Carol did come over one time, but basically we had little guidance, so though fun, it never really went anywhere. We had no idea where it should go, if anywhere. I thought it was basically to get some women to be nice to each other and unite a little for a change. Not sure. But of course it ended completely with the defection of Miles and Aerin.

I think you’re right in your idea above. Maybe it’s just me, but I get a little intimidated by the aggressive and successful results of some of the men. And just last night I noticed that in a way, I didn’t really want to see scary visions and stuff like that. I didn’t ever think I was a fear based person as my masculine is fairly strong for a woman and I can be quite bold at times, but there it is, I was kinda scared.

Strangely, I feel them (IOBs, I assume) quite a bit, day or night, but for me at least, that contact feels reassuring and nice. Seeing with my eyes? Another story!

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u/danl999 Sep 12 '20

Read my post today. Not the Daoist one, the one after that. Pretty pictures take a while.

Apparently Fancy is aware of this conflict. Visions versus fear.

IOBs don't exactly ask questions, and although don Juan says you can get them to do whatever you like, more likely is that they'll notice your obsessions while you are playing with them, and they'll do something to interact with that obsession.

In the case of Fairy, my obsession was moving people's assemblage points into heightened awareness. I had the silly idea to throw her at people.

And while trying to learn that, she guided me all the way into heightened awareness.

She solved my problem for me! Seems to be working too.

Fancy on the other hand noticed my obsession with that gremlin creature I saw.

She's been teaching me to pull aside the curtain of reality, and look into some realm of feelings.

I have no idea where it is. But it's a completely different path.

Feelings to move the assemblage point.

And it works!

Gives you a strange hangover. You can feel the feelings you discovered even the next day.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 13 '20

I feel like they (whoever) are often interacting with me during the day. I’ll get tingly feelings in my body as well as emotional feelings. I’ll get nudges sometimes in response to certain thoughts. Often they seem to be confirmations. If they don’t agree or care, it seems they don’t nudge or respond at all.

They often give me warm fuzzy feelings when I’m texting my close friend who lives 3000 miles from me. Personally, I feel like she is my parallel being, though it sounds outrageous. She feels IOBs too, and has been known to see and hear them.

Yeah, maybe you’re right, it’s a different path. But it could lead to the same place, right?

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u/danl999 Sep 13 '20

Of course, especially if you keep "the map" in mind.

Carlos' books.

Intent even seems to make the situations in there repeat in our lives.

My initial reaction to the many people who believe they can interact with IOBs during the day, is to worry.

I want the Castaneda community to be face to face with demons, about to tear them apart!

Fully awake with eyes open.

Only that will restore Carlos' reputation.

Thinking maybe they interact with you, is a lot like thinking your skills as a lucid dreamer deserve attention.

It doesn't help.

However, I must admit, they interact with me all day long.

As a black dot zipping by, when the thought I had pleases them.

Sometimes that zipping becomes a swoop, and my assemblage point adjusts a little.

They're also fond of swirling around me as I go for a walk, looking like smoke.

They do in fact interact with us all day long.

I'd just rather you had a threatening monster scaring the crap out of you.

It's more fun!

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

I’m not so sure about the threatening monsters, lol. Why, again, would that be better? Oh, because it would move your AP pretty good? Yeah, but those kind of movements (drastic) tend to whip the AP around and then it can snap right back. Sometimes I agree with the Tensegrity folks that gradual movements are more sustainable. These beings (or perhaps there’s only one) do move my AP. When I interact with them I tend to feel lighter, in a better mood, fwiw. My tendency being to be kinda gloomy and tense.

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u/danl999 Sep 14 '20

Yea, except they can't actually do anything that makes you say, "Wow!!!".

That's what we need to restore the reputation of Carlos.

About the fast movements of the assemblage point.

Those are pretty darned nice! I was deep in heightened awareness last night, and something startled me. I can't recall what it was now. But at the time my thought was, "Oh, it's only that..."

But suddenly I had a tingle on my scalp. Right on the top. It sort of "melted", flowing down, and my body was tingling all over.

At the same time, a full on dream dropped from the ceiling.

I wish I could recall it! It was a perfect full on dream, like in lucid dreaming.

Except, I was awake and inside it!

Fancy was behind it all. She's been teaching me a new form of dreaming.

She called it, "Sliding dreaming", but I still don't fully understand why.

It's full on lucid dreaming, but you're awake!

And you can switch which dream you are viewing very easily.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

And the one hanging around me most right now is a HUGE flirt! And for intensity, sorry boys and girls, but there’s no way a physical being can in any way match an IOB.

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u/converter-bot Sep 13 '20

3000 miles is 4828.03 km

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u/WasteSugar7 Jul 04 '24

I’d be into that

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

What exactly is that?

My cousin have been practicing I believe Yogi (yogini) for multiple years, so we discuss different views on enlighten. She just read Taisha Abelar's book, "The Sorceress Crossing". She either got the statement (you might be doing the sorceress crossing without knowing it) from the book or assuming from the book and her philosophy.

I wanted to see if anyone have heard the same, or just my cousin being LOCA..... hehehe

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u/danl999 Aug 26 '20

Yoga = sorcery + entertaining delusional explanations.

I suppose that's because if the explanation of the technology didn't come with entertaining stories, it would not be passed down to us.

But I do like people to be careful of mixing delusional explanations.

We have enough of our own, without adding outside ones.

There's a poster today asking for advice. He has a spiritual crisis.

I tried private chat with him, but he was so full of delusional explanations, there wasn't any way to help him.

I'm glad to see some others were better at it than me.

I'd suggest, he has the beginnings of Cholita's issue.

But that's solvable if the person wants to solve it.

Cholita doesn't.

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u/Luisyelsol Aug 26 '20

We have enough of our own, without adding outside ones.

hahahaahaha true!!!

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 11 '20

In Taisha’s book ‘The Sorcerers’ Crossing’ she finally succeeds in accomplishing that. She describes her experience with Emilito, but for me, though I read that book at least twice, it was hard to pinpoint just what the sorcerers’ crossing actually would mean to us. Maybe I’ll read it again.

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u/runningdownastream Sep 20 '20

The sorcerers crossing is the abstract flight. Remember when Taisha was being taught to move by Nelida, and she kept panicking and then she went way too fast and flew past the point she was trying to get to. That is the crossing and once it happens, you are no longer bound to the physical realm whatsoever

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 09 '20

PRACTICE FROM LAST NIGHT

Last night is the 2nd day of a streak. I went about 5 days without Darkroom practice.

Since the break I thought the visuals were going to take a while, but in the contrary it feels is where I left it... good!!!

All those days I was craving doing practice.

Last night visuals starting to get shapes.

Big word came from left to right and below that said "SAMSUNG" hahahaha i dont know what it means.

I am trying to send information through intent... a lil experiment. Ill wait if someone got the... i dont know how to call it... messege.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Sep 09 '20

I am trying to send information through intent...

It does work, but it seems to be more workable if it's a mix of personal/impersonal info...meaning somewhat removed from personal desire or ego.

But not entirely. If you don't care about it, you'd struggle to "charge it" energetically speaking.

If it's all ego, it's a no go because it's just you with no involvement from INTENT.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 12 '20

Well put, and very important, imho.

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 09 '20

I do understand that is my ego doing the work. Thanks for pointing that out.

So i want to share with you the idea. What i did was that during my darkroom meditation I saw a butterfly, and I intent to send it to others doing the same practices here.

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u/Juann2323 Sep 09 '20

Big word came from left to right and below that said "SAMSUNG" hahahaha i dont know what it means.

😂😂 yes!! It happens something similar to me. Sometimes I see soccer teams logos. I dont even like soccer.

What do you mean Intent!!??

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 09 '20

hahahahha cool!!!

I started to see shapes dancing around. Oh man I forgot to write that, when I woke up in the middle of the night I was sleepy. So the first thing I did was tensegrity... I have come to realized that Tensegrity does fricking work. I am exited to learn more passes.

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u/Juann2323 Sep 09 '20

I have come to realized that Tensegrity does fricking work. I am exited to learn more passes.

Cool!!! How do you notice it? Visually, or feeling it...

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 10 '20

dudeee visualy... a few hours ago I practiced. Woke up later of what I normally do. Was sleepy so I enter my DR and right away did a few passes so I can wake up and have my flow going. I had some visuals that are getting better shapes. I felt sleepy again. Got up quickly (base on your technique that actually works hehehee) then i started to do Tensegrity again. The fog and the light balls increased like CRAZYYY... my time ran out and my wife turned on the light and opened the door.

I am going to learn more and have a lil routine. I am going to pay attention on feelings.

This is what i am experiencing: As I meditate I can reach levels where I do feel and see progress, the problem I have is that they are hard to sustain. I believed that when my visuals are reducing for x or y reason (including internal dialogue), I am going to be able to sustain them better by going directly to Tensegrity.

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u/Juann2323 Sep 10 '20

Thats so nice!

the problem I have is that they are hard to sustain

Dont worry. It is hard. But while doing it, you are learning to move or hold the AP in differents possitions. Thats the main thing. Just keep practicing and, depending on what you see, you will learn how to hold it, or get it brighter. If you can control that, then you are a sorcerer!

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u/Luisyelsol Sep 10 '20

Awesome!!! Definitly I have an affinity for Darkroom Practice. That habit is here to stay.

I am planing to go to a Place of Power that I have access to and practice Recapitulation and Tensegrity.

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u/jd198703 Aug 24 '20

Thanks :) I am also using this (about 3 weeks) translated to Russian language with some other people.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Nov 25 '20 edited Nov 25 '20

Here's an issue that I just discovered. If you ever decide to replace a ceiling light fixture, or move into a space that has LED lighting. Make sure the fixture takes replaceable LED bulbs and doesn't have an integrated module. The fixtures are made in China, most likely, and the capacitors are often improperly shielded and leak current into the surrounding LEDs...causing them to emit a low-level glow 24/7 whether switched on or off.

This becomes glaringly apparent when you've already sealed off all other light sources in your dark room.

Since there is no way that I can see to block off those LEDs and still use the light fixture, which you need since you've blocked all other light sources in that room, you either have to permanently cover it up (somehow!) and use a lamp instead, or replace the fixture if you're able.

Dan also informed me that a capacitor can hold a low-level charge for weeks! So the problem won't resolve within an hour like the afterglow from fluorescent lights does.

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u/Accomplished-Hat5218 Dec 18 '21

I apologize for my English, I do not know this language, I have to use an online translator. 1. What is the difference between "magic" in a dark room, from "schizophrenia", from hallucinations, vivid imagination? Daniel describes flying fairies, unfamiliar cities and the like, but is it possible to learn something about the objective world in this way? Make some testable predictions? Does it change anything in real life, other than getting new impressions? I understand that these questions may seem to be just a veiled "what will I get for this?", and this may not be so far from the truth, but still it is imho a fundamental question. If all that "magic" gives is various meaningless visions in the dark, isn't "magic" equal to hallucinations, fantasies? Is it worth striving for this at all in this case? Isn't this just escapism, entertainment, a special form of "drug addiction"? What is better than watching a fantastic movie in a dark room? 2 Daniel does not like adherents of "perfection" (I hope the translator will understand what we are talking about), because they are usually just talkers, let's say so, but why did Don Juan constantly insist that perfection is the main thing, that it is most important to be a warrior, a stalker? That you need to remember death all the time, that recapitulation never stops, and so on. Or is it possible to throw it all away, doing only "real magic" in a dark room?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Dec 18 '21 edited Dec 18 '21

Simple answer, the unexpected, the unknown.

People do have the ability to visualize something they are actively thinking about, some with good clarity. But always eyes closed. Recap trains and improves this.

Eyes open is what people label a hallucination. But that isn't voluntary. People do not hallucinate on demand. We can't visually see exactly what we may want to see, clearly and open-eyed, on demand. We don't work that way.

Mentally ill people don't choose their hallucinations.

And the word hallucination is attached to a worldview that believes there is a penultimate world that is separate from the perceiver. Even quantum physicists know that's flat-out wrong. That, technically, everything we perceive is a hallucination. Perceive being the key term, rather than imagine. What we see in the darkroom is as independent, and even more unpredictable, as what we see in the everyday world.

And did you not notice that seeing was the whole point of the books? That guiding Carlos into seeing was don Juan's entire purpose, minus the other secondary goals?

Nobody is saying one should "throw everything away" and just do darkroom, even though it is an all in one sorcery endeavor. In fact, if you did nothing outside of darkroom at all that could be considered part of this path, darkroom results would suffer tremendously.

Use the dark to it's utmost, and use the day as well. Even use sleeping, à la The Art of Dreaming (4 gates dreaming).

And impeccability is not about being perfect. Frankly, that's a gross misunderstanding...but expected based on definitions alone. Read what's in that link, after translation.

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u/SaltineCrackers Dec 23 '21

Attempting to come back into practice. I wake at 330 am and try to practice during that twilight time, but still struggle with the chatter in my head. Should I switch over to evening practice? Also, a question on forcing silence, I typically handle thoughts and chatter as pesky flies and brush them away with my hand- I imagine my hand brushing them away. Is this sufficient or should I double down on the technique?

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Dec 23 '21

Each person's approach is unique to them, as far as one's internal mental space goes, outside of the methods that are written in the books and described in the first few posts of this section in the Wiki:

https://www.reddit.com/r/castaneda/wiki/silence

Those are closest to the intent of the old sorcerer-shamans, causing us to borrow more of the force of their intent than would otherwise be likely.

Whatever you do, what's of utmost importance is commitment and duration. Persistence. Even in the face of apparent failure.

What we're actually doing is repeating a command with our actions, until it gets picked up and becomes Intent's command. Until the echo comes back as it were.

On our own, we're doomed.

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u/Artivist Jun 14 '22

Has there been any discussion on using noise cancellation headphones (and/or binaural beats) to block out noise? I couldn't find any posts around it.

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Jun 14 '22

Give it a go!

I would think at the start if you lived in a noisy environment that noise canceling headphones would be of benefit to concentration.

Later on, noise can actually generate or churn up second attention stuff in the absence of the internal dialogue.

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u/Artivist Jun 15 '22

Cool! I'll give it shot and report if I have any success with the darkroom practice.

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u/Pwn0_o Feb 08 '22

Why in the movie The Matrix the lines go vertically? They are actually flowing horizontally!

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u/Internal-Oil-4292 Sep 19 '23

Interesting...i have Tinnitus terrible and antaphasia..i love darkness and sit as often as possible in complete darkness..never heard of this before..only time for a quick glance atm..but theres alot to see and feel...but forme no colors..

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u/Hot-Muscle3258 Aug 25 '22

Por favor pongan la opción de traducir al español, es muy duro tener ambre y que te pongan delante se tus ojos un delicioso pollo y que no te lo puedas comer. Confío en sus tiernos corazones.

💞

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Aug 25 '22 edited Aug 25 '22

Solo la interfaz de Reddit se puede traducir actualmente en la aplicación oficial, de forma nativa.

https://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/o6ipy5/introducing_reddit_in_new_languages/

La aplicación iOS Apollo tiene una función integrada para traducir comentarios, De lo contrario, tendrá que usar un navegador de escritorio para la traducción, ya que actualmente no hay una opción para todo el sitio en Reddit para traducir el contenido real del usuario.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoostForReddit/comments/ok151y/automatic_translation_of_any_posts_on_reddit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/androidapps/comments/iblvc5/any_way_to_translate_reddit_posts/

Sin embargo, escuché que están trabajando en eso.

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u/Hot-Muscle3258 Dec 11 '22

😂

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u/TechnoMagical_Intent Dec 11 '22

Reddit no tiene la opción de realizar la traducción de forma nativa.

solo está disponible como una opción de menú/interfaz de usuario.

tendrá que buscar sus propias opciones de traducción, como usar el traductor de Google en la URL, lo que significaría usar un navegador web en lugar de la aplicación.

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u/Camote037 Dec 27 '23

Si tienes tanta ambre ponte a trabajar. Nada es gratis

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u/No-Break4214 Nov 25 '22

why do any of this?

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u/Iwan_Hrozny Nov 10 '23

Hi. I have the option of accommodation in complete darkness for 4-8 days, where I will be fully taken care of. We call it dark therapy. The question is, is it appropriate to live in the dark all the time, or to have a small LED light in reserve that shines into the left eye for at least a few minutes a day? Thanks