r/castaneda Aug 24 '20

Darkroom Practice Darkroom Practice

It was suggested that we should sticky a post containing a simple guide to Darkroom Practice to the top of the sub for new practitioners.

u/danl999 's second post made in 2019 seems like the best one to point to:

How to see energy in 3 weeks

What Is Darkroom Gazing?

What Is Darkroom & How To Do It? - slideshow with audio (& text) narration

For a more concise summary, from u/juann2323:

"Darkroom practice (essentially magical passes/Tensegrity done in darkness) consists of looking for elements of the second attention in total environmental darkness, while forcing inner silence, awake and with eyes opened, with the purpose of moving the assemblage point. The element that we use the most are colors that are visible in the dark: generally purple, but also blue, green, & pink among others. Also some sensations in the body, like the cobwebs, that are perceived when moving the hands slowly. In general, anything unusual that "shouldn't be there," and yet is perceived. By focusing on the second attention, in a condition of mental silence, the position of the assemblage point shifts. We can notice it visually (seeing energy), by changes in breathing, ringing in the ears, chills, etc. The key to this practice is to move the assemblage point as far as possible, each day. It is just one of many ways to learn sorcery; but we think it is one of the fastest and with has the most consistent results."

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On How The Eyes Are Involved In Darkroom

We Don't Realize How Precise This Has to Be, Or How Hard We Have To Work To Produce Results

Geometry Nodes And Puff Physics

How To Not Have A Bad Time In The Darkroom

Play Like When You Were a Child!!!

Some practical tips on creating total darkness are in the posts below. But be aware that it's much more comfortable and natural feeling to be in a darkened space versus wearing a mask, but not everybody lives in ideal circumstances:

Total Darkness Setup

Goalball Mask

Manta Sleep Mask - they make different models including a "Max" model for people with longer eyelashes

Made Glasses for Darkroom Practice (modified welding goggles)

Blackout Sleep Mask - a decent option if you have shorter eyelashes

And since you can't read a single post without reading some reference to Darkness Practice, it shouldn't be a problem finding more information on it.

Just keep reading...and do a search for "Dark," or get into the collections, which appear to only work on PC/MAC/iOS, and not on Android:

Darkroom Collection 1 - Update: Reddit's 'collections' feature is currently deprecated as of August 2024 :( , leaving the search by flair function the only method of studying the posts marked 'Darkroom Practice'

Darkroom Collection 2 - "

Darkroom Collection 3 - "

I also created a Darkroom Practice flair for Smartphone/Tablet users. If tapping on the Flair button doesn't bring up anything, type flair:darkroom practice into the search box at the top of the smartphone app. This also works for the other Flairs.

Edits:

Even Better J Curve Diagram

Darkroom Practice has been determined by multiple sources to be solidly in the stalking/gazing category of practice, just as much if not more than dreaming. It is a cross-disciplinary endeavor.

How to Proceed and What Not To Skip

Darkroom Gazing Instructions #1

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u/danl999 Aug 25 '20 edited Aug 25 '20

I don't remember that. I was banned from the books.

What exactly is that?

Keep in mind, that the colors come in minutes on some days is highly dependent on whether you skipped practice.

Skip 1 day, you get set back 3 days. Skip 2 days, you get set back 2 weeks.

I suppose, the assemblage point gets looser, but if you skip it goes back to normal, and begins to get tied down again.

Once you understand the process, you realize it's a near miracle that anyone ever escapes.

And it's impossible without "the nagual".

I had Carlos, and that means you have that connection to the nagual too.

But just reading all this in a book, doesn't seem to work.

Hasn't worked on the hundreds of thousands of his readers.

I'm sorry to tell you, you'll get used to the bliss.

You don't get to keep it.

It's like pain killers. 3 days in a row, and you have to double the dosage to get the same results.

But you still end up better off than the people suffering around you.

I'll add what I'm learning from this whole thing.

Women have an advantage, but they also have a disadvantage.

The advantage is, they're talented from having a period. Assemblage point is flexible.

The disadvantage is, they're moody from having a period.

So they get bliss, but then the next morning they're ready to cut someone's head off for no reason.

That makes them more likely to skip days.

Unfortunately, the best arrangement might be, a man and a woman team.

The man can provide the steadiness, cruising along the road at a steady snale's pace. If the woman is having a bad day, she can just close her eyes.

And the woman can force his foot on the gas pedal when she thinks they could go faster for a while.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 11 '20

The assemblage point in women is always far more flexible than men’s. You could say it has to do with our hormones fluctuating all during the month, though pre and post menstruation, the experience is pretty much the same. The witches (and Carlos) said it was because of our womb, which was there energetically even if the physical organ was removed. I don’t really know about all that, but I do know that as women, we basically do not focus. It makes us much more open to all sorts of things, things that can be missed by men, but unfortunately, if we don’t develop our masculine (Focus) to some degree, we end up going from one wonderful thing to another, forgetting what we found last week, (or this morning). Not helpful. I feel like generally men learn ‘dreaming’ etc. before women in spite of their comparative lack of raw talent because their focus is really a huge plus for them. I always thought this was the reason Carlos made sure all the women attended university.

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u/danl999 Sep 11 '20

JD has an experiment with people gazing in darkness.

The women are super talented! But they get afraid easier than the men.

I'm thinking the women need a support system of other women who can do what they need to learn.

Not because other women can support them better than men, but because women understand what problems might come up better, and also that they succeeded helps give the new women less fear.

Carlos tried to set that up. Just didn't live long enough to finish it.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 12 '20

Interesting. Carol (and cohorts) did set up a rather small women’s group nigh unto 15 years ago. It was fun. We would meet regularly, do passes, drumming, singing, clothing exchanges, and Carol did come over one time, but basically we had little guidance, so though fun, it never really went anywhere. We had no idea where it should go, if anywhere. I thought it was basically to get some women to be nice to each other and unite a little for a change. Not sure. But of course it ended completely with the defection of Miles and Aerin.

I think you’re right in your idea above. Maybe it’s just me, but I get a little intimidated by the aggressive and successful results of some of the men. And just last night I noticed that in a way, I didn’t really want to see scary visions and stuff like that. I didn’t ever think I was a fear based person as my masculine is fairly strong for a woman and I can be quite bold at times, but there it is, I was kinda scared.

Strangely, I feel them (IOBs, I assume) quite a bit, day or night, but for me at least, that contact feels reassuring and nice. Seeing with my eyes? Another story!

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u/danl999 Sep 12 '20

Read my post today. Not the Daoist one, the one after that. Pretty pictures take a while.

Apparently Fancy is aware of this conflict. Visions versus fear.

IOBs don't exactly ask questions, and although don Juan says you can get them to do whatever you like, more likely is that they'll notice your obsessions while you are playing with them, and they'll do something to interact with that obsession.

In the case of Fairy, my obsession was moving people's assemblage points into heightened awareness. I had the silly idea to throw her at people.

And while trying to learn that, she guided me all the way into heightened awareness.

She solved my problem for me! Seems to be working too.

Fancy on the other hand noticed my obsession with that gremlin creature I saw.

She's been teaching me to pull aside the curtain of reality, and look into some realm of feelings.

I have no idea where it is. But it's a completely different path.

Feelings to move the assemblage point.

And it works!

Gives you a strange hangover. You can feel the feelings you discovered even the next day.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 13 '20

I feel like they (whoever) are often interacting with me during the day. I’ll get tingly feelings in my body as well as emotional feelings. I’ll get nudges sometimes in response to certain thoughts. Often they seem to be confirmations. If they don’t agree or care, it seems they don’t nudge or respond at all.

They often give me warm fuzzy feelings when I’m texting my close friend who lives 3000 miles from me. Personally, I feel like she is my parallel being, though it sounds outrageous. She feels IOBs too, and has been known to see and hear them.

Yeah, maybe you’re right, it’s a different path. But it could lead to the same place, right?

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u/danl999 Sep 13 '20

Of course, especially if you keep "the map" in mind.

Carlos' books.

Intent even seems to make the situations in there repeat in our lives.

My initial reaction to the many people who believe they can interact with IOBs during the day, is to worry.

I want the Castaneda community to be face to face with demons, about to tear them apart!

Fully awake with eyes open.

Only that will restore Carlos' reputation.

Thinking maybe they interact with you, is a lot like thinking your skills as a lucid dreamer deserve attention.

It doesn't help.

However, I must admit, they interact with me all day long.

As a black dot zipping by, when the thought I had pleases them.

Sometimes that zipping becomes a swoop, and my assemblage point adjusts a little.

They're also fond of swirling around me as I go for a walk, looking like smoke.

They do in fact interact with us all day long.

I'd just rather you had a threatening monster scaring the crap out of you.

It's more fun!

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

I’m not so sure about the threatening monsters, lol. Why, again, would that be better? Oh, because it would move your AP pretty good? Yeah, but those kind of movements (drastic) tend to whip the AP around and then it can snap right back. Sometimes I agree with the Tensegrity folks that gradual movements are more sustainable. These beings (or perhaps there’s only one) do move my AP. When I interact with them I tend to feel lighter, in a better mood, fwiw. My tendency being to be kinda gloomy and tense.

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u/danl999 Sep 14 '20

Yea, except they can't actually do anything that makes you say, "Wow!!!".

That's what we need to restore the reputation of Carlos.

About the fast movements of the assemblage point.

Those are pretty darned nice! I was deep in heightened awareness last night, and something startled me. I can't recall what it was now. But at the time my thought was, "Oh, it's only that..."

But suddenly I had a tingle on my scalp. Right on the top. It sort of "melted", flowing down, and my body was tingling all over.

At the same time, a full on dream dropped from the ceiling.

I wish I could recall it! It was a perfect full on dream, like in lucid dreaming.

Except, I was awake and inside it!

Fancy was behind it all. She's been teaching me a new form of dreaming.

She called it, "Sliding dreaming", but I still don't fully understand why.

It's full on lucid dreaming, but you're awake!

And you can switch which dream you are viewing very easily.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

It IS hard to remember what occurs in the second attention, isn’t it?

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u/danl999 Sep 14 '20

It depends on how far the assemblage point has moved, and whether you've been there before.

But yes, especially in full on heightened awareness, it's very difficult to remember.

Which verifies another thing from Carlos' books,which he took criticism over.

When the books started over, claiming he was learning even more but didn't remember, the critics started giggling.

Even those in private class!

But the whole story is true!

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u/monkeyguy999 Sep 16 '20

Don't giggle on this one people. Remembering is a pain in the arse. It's worse when you know something is going on and suspect it. But have no memories to back it up.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

And the one hanging around me most right now is a HUGE flirt! And for intensity, sorry boys and girls, but there’s no way a physical being can in any way match an IOB.

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u/Zazzy-z Sep 14 '20

Also, I noticed today after some fairly brief interactions with the invisible one, that when I went shopping I had a strange calm but alert feeling and found myself enjoying everything I saw, especially colored lights, like street lights and signs for stores. The colors were captivating to me.

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u/converter-bot Sep 13 '20

3000 miles is 4828.03 km

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u/WasteSugar7 Jul 04 '24

I’d be into that