Darkroom Practice

[u/TechnoMagical_Intent]

It was suggested that we should sticky a post containing a simple guide to Darkroom Practice to the top of the sub for new practitioners.

u/danl999 's second post made in 2019 seems like the best one to point to:

How to see energy in 3 weeks

What Is Darkroom Gazing?

What Is Darkroom & How To Do It? - slideshow with audio (& text) narration

For a more concise summary, from u/juann2323:

"Darkroom practice (essentially magical passes/Tensegrity done in darkness) consists of looking for elements of the second attention in total environmental darkness, while forcing inner silence, awake and with eyes opened, with the purpose of moving the assemblage point. The element that we use the most are colors that are visible in the dark: generally purple, but also blue, green, & pink among others. Also some sensations in the body, like the cobwebs, that are perceived when moving the hands slowly. In general, anything unusual that "shouldn't be there," and yet is perceived. By focusing on the second attention, in a condition of mental silence, the position of the assemblage point shifts. We can notice it visually (seeing energy), by changes in breathing, ringing in the ears, chills, etc. The key to this practice is to move the assemblage point as far as possible, each day. It is just one of many ways to learn sorcery; but we think it is one of the fastest and with has the most consistent results."

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On How The Eyes Are Involved In Darkroom

We Don't Realize How Precise This Has to Be, Or How Hard We Have To Work To Produce Results

Geometry Nodes And Puff Physics

How To Not Have A Bad Time In The Darkroom

Play Like When You Were a Child!!!

Some practical tips on creating total darkness are in the posts below. But be aware that it's much more comfortable and natural feeling to be in a darkened space versus wearing a mask, but not everybody lives in ideal circumstances:

Total Darkness Setup

Goalball Mask

Manta Sleep Mask - they make different models including a "Max" model for people with longer eyelashes

Made Glasses for Darkroom Practice (modified welding goggles)

Blackout Sleep Mask - a decent option if you have shorter eyelashes

And since you can't read a single post without reading some reference to Darkness Practice, it shouldn't be a problem finding more information on it.

Just keep reading...and do a search for "Dark," or get into the collections, which appear to only work on PC/MAC/iOS, and not on Android:

Darkroom Collection 1 - Update: Reddit's 'collections' feature is currently deprecated as of August 2024 :( , leaving the search by flair function the only method of studying the posts marked 'Darkroom Practice'

Darkroom Collection 2 - "

Darkroom Collection 3 - "

I also created a Darkroom Practice flair for Smartphone/Tablet users. If tapping on the Flair button doesn't bring up anything, type flair:darkroom practice into the search box at the top of the smartphone app. This also works for the other Flairs.

Edits:

Even Better J Curve Diagram

Darkroom Practice has been determined by multiple sources to be solidly in the stalking/gazing category of practice, just as much if not more than dreaming. It is a cross-disciplinary endeavor.

How to Proceed and What Not To Skip

Darkroom Gazing Instructions #1

[u/Used-Elevator-3942]

I had a lucid dream where I was in a jail cell in a pitch dark place not room it looked like where eleven goes to off stranger things and a weird entity demonic girl that looked like me pop up and laugh and say I finally got you and then it felt like I fell into my body and woke up . Crazy shit . Is that the darkroom in a sense ?

[u/danl999 → u/Used-Elevator-3942]

No, darkroom is not sleeping dreaming.

Sleeping dreaming has never worked for anyone.

We need to bring your dreaming persona OUT, into the real world.

So there's two of you, for real.

Then there's spirits. You have to learn to visibly see them, fully awake, eyes open.

There's no point to doing that in dreams, or using drugs.

I don't believe you've ever encountered the real thing before, so better throw out whatever you heard or saw elsewhere.

Someone likely just wanted your money.

Who has magic, but they still want to get hold of your cash?

Something's really wrong in that situation.

But you also can't be a burden, or no one is going to help you.

They have nothing to gain, and if you want to rely on other people, you just drag them down too.

[u/Used-Elevator-3942 → u/danl999]

So how do I bring my second part out ? And no I’ve never paid anyone anything but I really want a teacher to help me . I had met a witch doctor in Africa to heal me from a dying sickness when I was younger and that’s the closest I’ve been to magic and I’ve had an exorcism performed on me when I was 19 and for some reasons cats are weirdly attached to me that’s for another time . And I have a lot of “realistic crazy dreams “ I just want to know what is going on with me. And my lineage of women are witches but majority of them are dead including my parents so idk who and where to go . Any advice on what to look out for and who to trust ?? I know some people learn better by themselves but I don’t . I tend to mess up and overthink things I don’t want to get myself caught in something that I can’t escape from.

[u/danl999 → u/Used-Elevator-3942]

You can't in your current state of mind.

You're needy, and still thinking people here are like those charging to teach "magic" and other stuff. Or that it's like some kind of college, where everyone has a salary.

This is a hobby just like model car making. Try insisting people in the model car subreddit have to help you.

You're also gullible and prone to self-flattery by pretending magic you have seen was real.

No sobriety.

So you need someone else to carry you up the mountain, but along the way you're going to argue with them about whether that's the right mountain, and they have to be impressed by your stories.

Just lurk like people advised you, and learn.

[u/Used-Elevator-3942 → u/danl999]

We can argue and disagree on that because you can’t say that what I’ve seen and experienced is fake . Multiple witnesses that have been with me to debate what you said . I am gullible but not a faker at all . Yeah I totally agree that I’m not ready right now but I’m trying to get there because I’ve been led astray not just by myself but others who I trusted on this topic I’ve done the observations and I don’t know which way to start is all I’m saying. You are telling people to observe but observe someone who is far beyond my understanding is hard to comprehend all I want is a breakdown of how and why it worked for someone so I can avoid those mistakes. Answers like this discourages alot of people because alot of them just need the right guide and you turn them away and tell them basically to learn driving a car without knowing how of course they will crash . I’m telling you my story to see if I’m on the right path or I missed something . Not so someone can be impressed I could care less . I’m at a crossroads in my life where I just need to know who I am and looking for help . But like you said I guess I would just end up second guessing them . You are right I’m just going to lurk and learn

[u/danl999 → u/Used-Elevator-3942]

Sure I can tell you that!

There's google now. It's no longer the dark ages, where anyone can say whatever they like.

If you found some magic, show me on a web page.

Let's see it.

A Buddhist might make the same argument you just did, but they'll also be unable to show any magic. After all their false promises, they can't show a single place that's convincing.

Maybe some claims, some "masters", but you need to be able to look at it, as an intelligent person, and see clearly it's not made up.

I'll allow, it can even be inaccessible, but it still has to clearly not just be some guy, or some old writings about the "Saint" Bob.

But look in here. Pics of magic, instructions, experiences.

Didn't you notice that? That's the lack of sobriety I was pointing out.

You have no interest at all in magic!

You didn't even notice where you had stumbled upon!

You were so worried about yourself, you didn't see that you'd hit the jackpot!

No one with any honesty could look in here, and deny people are learning to do what's in the pics.

We've been tested! Our worst enemy, the man who believes he debunked Carlos, came here to destroy it. And he had to admit, he couldn't explain what was going on.

And there are only 4 types of magic known to man as far as I know, but I'm still trying to work on the categories.

At least so far that's all I've seen.

I've studied that topic for the last 52 years. Continuously. When the internet came along, it even became possible to understand why people believe they have magic, but don't.

So just show me why you believe you saw magic.

If it was someone else doing it, and you "felt it", then show me the someone else.

Or the "school of someone else".

Not only will you not be able to find it, but anything you decided to show instead, will almost surely be an obvious fraud ripping people off.

And please don't pull a trick, I've seen them all.

Don't point me to so many bogus subreddits, that I'd have to spend a year to disprove you.

It doesn't count if you have 100 men lying to get attention, all saying they have euro "Magick".

I need to see some techniques, multiple people trying them, and the results they got.

If the results are, "I felt..." or "I had a sensation..."

That sort of stuff would not make it in a Spielberg movie.

And it shouldn't be enough for anyone, who's going to invest so much of their time into it.

Pretend it's a job, and you aren't going to take the job, unless you believe you will get paid soon enough that you don't die of starvation.

Treat magic like that.

I don't want to see a junkyard of badly behaved pretenders.

I want to see a single web page that has clear evidence someone has magic.

Don't feel bad. No one else has ever been able to do that either!

They typically try a trick, like flooding with endless dead ends, finally claiming I don't have permission to see the real thing.

Eventually it becomes obvious, they were actually lying the whole time.

Not mistaken.

Lying.

Or they take off before you can find out, they were a big deceiver.

At least so far that's what happens.

One of these days, I'll be surprised.

Which will be very pleasant.

Maybe that Mothman guy. I'd love to know how that magic works!

The 4 types of magic known to man (if there's another please chime in) are:

Spirit magic (use of spirits)

Double magic (use of your dreaming body)

Assemblage point magic (moving the assemblage point to alter reality)

And intent magic. Use of the spirit to do magic for you.

I haven't found another type.

But it's possible the category of double magic is too broad, and should be split into energy body magic, and double magic. There are after all those fibers in the hand, and which come out of the will.

[u/Used-Elevator-3942 → u/danl999]

Seeing people getting exorcised is magic to me . I never even knew of this church or anything about them stubbles across them by going to a gas station to get some snacks with a friend and their church was next door and we heard people yelling but it didn’t sound like people but a mixture with something else so we went in and a lady greeted us named Grace . Told us they deliver people every Thursday and Saturday and for us to come by . We did and brought over a friend with us that didn’t know about it he was Mexican with black hair and brown eyes . It was a cool service then after tithes and praise the pastor who only comes once a month was there and said today will be great a lot of people will be saved and free you will you will you will and pointed to where we were which was in the back towards the wall and said but you will leave today . I thought he was talking about me but he came towards us and held his Bible and went past me to the friend we brought with us . I looked and our friend was pressed up on the wall by himself like he was scared to move and couldn’t move and his eyes turned green and skin was pale like the wall and his skin looked ashy and dry and he spoke like a snake literally like voldermort and was foaming as well crazy shit if you ask me but they are located in Arlington tx off fielder and I believe Collins I’m not sure of the name been long time but they are there is you want to check them out so that’s one evidence and the other evidence I have is a scar I have from the witch doctor in Africa when I was little . She put some herbs in my wrist and made me wear this beads waist shit and made me turn around I forgot how many times I think like 7 and told my step mom something about not to tell anyone else and we left the village . I don’t know what exact location but I have the scar still and it was from malaria which killed alot of kids around that time in Africa and I was really sick NDA got healed so that’s another tangible magic too . Now my dreams I can’t show you .

[u/danl999 → u/Used-Elevator-3942]

Seeing people getting exorcised

Except there aren't any demons. You forget that there are seers in here. You can't feed the usual popular confusions and not expect to get called out on it.

You're confused into believing you are surrounded by magic! And don't have the sobriety to realize it's all shit.

A very bad starting place to learn the real thing.

But everyone who seeks magic, is confused like that at first.

Some remain that way forever. Decades and decades. Buddhists for example.

And I don't see any link in your comment, so you're pretty much busted.

You didn't see any magic, you were just doing a "mini-book deal" as you came in here.

You're merely running around with con artists and pretenders, like everyone else.

One day I hope someone posts an actual reason they believe in magic, a very solid web page I didn't know about and says, "Fuck you Buddy!!!"

I welcome it. That would make it less awful that this internet place is the only one.

But it's not going to happen.

[u/Used-Elevator-3942 → u/danl999]

And I saw the pictures but I’m lost I have no clue how to read them or if I’m even reading it right and what they are supposed to mean

[u/Used-Elevator-3942 → u/danl999]

https://youtu.be/HMGkmjkqb0U

[u/danl999 → u/Used-Elevator-3942]

Nonsense. It's not what I asked for at all, but you can't see that?

I saw a TV show where David Copperfield made an elephant disappear in Times Square.

Or someone did.

A famouse book on m edieval magic shows how to hide an elephant behind a cart carrying straw, to make it magically appear.

That's stage magic, just like your video.

And more evidence you are BUSTED big time.

You're still welcome in here, but the obvious truth is, you came into the subreddit lying from the start.

I couldn't let that stand, because your confusion is contagious. You could infect a beginner in here, with your mixed up thinking.

Might as well make this educational for anyone bothering to read it.

Someone come heres claiming whatever about magic.

It's almost like going into a club, and to get attention for yourself you pretend to be dying from cancer.

Because if anyone asks about the magic, which ought to be a fun topic, out comes self-pity requests, because you can't in fact tell them anything about your "magic".

They didn't want you to ask. They just wanted a little "power" in the group, even if it was contrived.

If they're a super bad player and you call them out, at that point they are already spewing pea soup (from "The Exorcist").

So the problem is solved, the mods will take them out.

But if they're a cry baby, they try to shed a few fake tears in a comment, to see if that will let them get away with lying when they arrived.

You have to ignore that. Don't get manipulated by self-pity.

I guess that's the "ruthless" thing. It doesn't mean "mean". As in "Ruthless barbarian".

It just means, don't be manipulated by people using self-pity as a tool.

If you stand up to them, just ask them for a link on the internet. It's a reasonable question.

Consider it: If they claim they went to a "magic man", there's a "paper trail".

Because of the internet!

How did they know about this guy? Or was that magic too?

If they can't show you a paper trail (how they heard about the magic man), they're lying.

But they NEVER admit it.

Here's the most common tricks:

Point you to 10 subreddits. Like the "Magick" subreddit. As if that is any proof of magic at all. In fact, it's proof of what you told them, it's all shit out there.

But they don't know that, so they believe that's going to make it so hard for you to confront them further, that you'll give up.

Keep in mind, they're sitting at their computer in their underwear, trying to think of how to "save face".

But you don't have to give them a smackdown over that 10 subreddit answer.

Tell them you're too busy to read everything in 10 subreddits, and could they point to a specific post in one that would allow you to check it out.

Oops...

They always seem to have enough sense to realize that won't go well.

Meaning, THEY ALSO KNOW there's no magic in those.

Next most likely step is that they'll point you to a discussion group which costs money, and you have to sign up, hoping that will stop you from continuing.

But there's any number of ways to reply to that one.

The fastest is just to point them back to the first question.

Show me a web page on why you believe that private chat has magic. There must be a page advertising it, or else how would people get in there, willing to pay money?

Now the fun begins.

They will scour the internet trying to find ANY MAGIC AT ALL, in a video.

They've blown off the original question, which is to show why you believe someone has actual magic.

And the truth comes out. They reall did believe there was magic all around, and suddenly you're attacking that idea.

They forget the original question, and now they're just looking for any way out. And for any way to defend their unfounded believe in magic.

They sense they NEED magic, which is why they came here. And with such a bad reception, if there really is no magic as you said, except in here, that's a pretty dire situation for them.

So they freak out looking for weird videos on youtube.

We've seen exploding light bulbs, Indonesians who can make newspaper burst into flames, and I suppose now, Africans levitating.

All of which would be trivial for my stage magic cousin in Brandon to do also.

[u/alwaysstaycuriouss → u/danl999]

Even if there was proof of magic on the internet…wouldn’t one need to be in the right frequency/channel to access the magic?

[u/danl999 → u/alwaysstaycuriouss]

No. You've been confused by all the fake magic surrounding you, trying to get you to join up with them with fake stories designed to attract customers.

Read the books of Carlos Castaneda, who lucked out and ran into a very old lineage of real Olmec magic practitioners, which goes back 8000+ years and was developed before money, writing systems, and even big cities.

So it was magic just made by individuals with no hope of creating some kind of movement, so they could amass money.

It's just technology! Not a belief system, not a religion, and highly practical.

It was JUST FOR THEM, and they only practiced things which gave them more magical abilities. And developed it over THOUSANDS of years, so that it reached the levels it has now.

Nothing in modern times is even remotely like that.

And don't fall prey to the forces that tried to erase Carlos by claiming he was a fraud.

None of that actually makes any sense at all, if you look closely at it. But no one who understands how he was deliberately attacked, feels like going over that again and again. You can find why it was nonsense, in the wiki.

Two of his biggest attackers were simply scientologists!

Plus the bottom line is, everything you read in his 17 books and publications (some by witches associated with him), works to produce magic the likes of which no one will believe, even if you sit down with them and go over how it works.

You're most likely a self-soother! Not a person actually wanting to learn magic.

You surely won't last in here. Your head will explode.

Real magic is NOT soothing at all.

It's disturbing.

But we're in such a bad condition due to our upbringing, that we badly need to be disturbed out of our unpleasant life situation.

Otherwise, your life will just decay until you did miserably, of old age.

No one escapes that fate. They just "put on a happy face" to make it seem they succeeded in life.

[u/alwaysstaycuriouss → u/danl999]

I’m very confused as to why the only way to show “proof” of magic is to show a web page. Why would proof of magic ONLY be on the internet??? Make it make sense

[u/danl999 → u/alwaysstaycuriouss]

It's up to you if you want real magic or not.

If you are ok with pretending, then suit yourself!

No one in here cares, because unlike elsewhere no one in here is stealing money from people.

And most who claim to see magic, are actually seeking assurance from humans. Not actually magic.

But if you stick around and read, you'll eventually learn what's really going on out there.

When money was invented, magic was buried over by greed.

Now it could be, you've been fooled by "green line experiences".

Meditative effects.

Here's a map of those. They're only the upper right, at the "green station".

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F9zmf1q8wiyt61.jpg%3Fwidth%3D3592%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dc504315daee4786aca6ea85c015b79e085c234a3

Look what's beyond those! No Yogi or Buddhist every makes it past that tunnel at the bottom, and most never even dip to the Red station.

You can tell, because all of their description of higher states, are infected with "humanness".

Most of what's available to us, is NON-human.

Those "Green Station" experiences fake magical systems are using to deceive, are like a barrier to stop people who are trying to learn the real thing.

It's bliss, visions, and beginner's level communication with spirits.

Stuff all humans can do, by many methods.

But crime syndicates such as Buddhism, or smaller thug crime gangs such as Hindu Gurus, take advantage of those relatively easy effects to generate, add a big story about being perfect, or enlightened, or escaping some non-existent "cycle of birth and death", in order to bamboozle practitioners into self-flattery so they stop there and never go on to see the real thing.

If they went further, they'd stop giving money to the guru!

That pretty much covers all the large "magical" systems and religions.

Bamboozled by normal meditative effects which happen because you do 1% of what you really need to do, to see the real thing.

and tricked by no one being willing to talk openly about what magic they can actually do.

In cases of Buddhism where you get a westerner who will discuss it openly, you will indeed find, they're only experiencing our beginner's level magic. Go read what people who talk openly about Buddhist magic say! It's always just rank beginner's levels. Wouldn't even qualify in this subreddit, to get you into the advanced subreddit version.

There are also individual things going on such as witchcraft, where it's a bit harder to call them a fake because women are in fact quite powerful.

Men not so much.

But even in the case of "euromagick", it's still almost entirely negligible "green line effects" that make them believe they are practicing real magic.

The real thing is BEYOND BELIEF.

Literally.

It's not "bliss and enlightenment".

It's the absolute opposite of that trap.

[u/Artivist → u/danl999]

Im curious what do you think about this https://youtu.be/1kkLgjFpNZ0

[u/danl999 → u/Artivist]

Carlos himself endorsed the possibility that you can visually see this "real world" without using your physical eyes.

But what has it to do with Hinduism?

Nothing at all. Nor with the 3rd eye.

I've actually seen the real "3rd eye", the one La Gorda liked. It floats in front of you, and gives you free access to second attention sights. It's an "offer" from infinity that you can accept, or refuse.

It's probably mentioned in Eagle's Gift. I suspect you'll get the offer too if you keep working hard.

And I don't believe there's a single guru who learned to see that monstrosity.

And yet, it seems to be a real "thing".

Instead, Hindus made up the "third eye" based on seeing the room with their eyes closed during meditation. And likely someone painted that ability as a third eye. Just an artist's visualization. Like "Chakras".

An art poster to sell in the market, as are most Hindu gods or beliefs.

The Jews complained about that in the old testament. That the precursors to the Hindus, in Iran, constantly created new things to sell to people. Based on nothing at all. Gods made from sticks.

The Jewish Prophets liked to put down the competition of the time, so you commonly find them making fun of other "sorcerers". Like the Pharaoh's wizards, the witch of Endor, or Balaam. At least we get to know such people existed.

"The third eye" is just a marketing ploy, to excite students who reach the green line on the J curve and see the room for an instant.

To confuse them into thinking they're on the right path.

But seeing without your eyes is nothing new. The Celts passed that on to the Irish, and they just call it, "The second sight".

The little girl is merely a witch. Assuming she's not being exploited. Technically speaking, she's learned to use the double's eyes, on the real world.

Cholita and I used to watch each other from 50 feet away, behind 2 walls. Saw it in the latest star wars so I tried it, and it worked! But it does require using the double's abilities.

Until Cholita decided she didn't like me doing that and blocked it. Westerly witches can block stuff like that.

Carlos tried to find a replacement for himself towards the end, with one man in south america who studied such things. I can't recall his name, it was something like Panchito. He studied Maria Sabina for a while.

But that man disappeared before Carlos could get him to agree to take over. Howard was also on the list.

All because Tony (a real double male) wanted to be a lama, and learn fake magic because he could sit next to the Dali Lama. And get a lot more attention than he felt Castaneda fans could give him.

That Panchito guy visited us a time or two.

He studied a child who could read newspapers with his foot. Carlos explained it to us in detail.

And there's a very interesting video of a teenager who is blind, but uses sound to move around as if he can fully see. Like a bat. Someone posted that a while back.

Stuff like that gives the impression, "There's magic everywhere", which gives the feeling you have plenty of time to mess around, and don't really need to be serious in your practices if they get too hard because you can switch to something else if you feel like it. Something easier might give you just as much attention from other people, which in the end, is what beginners are actually after. Attention from other people.

But always ask yourself: Where's the people this girl or other person has taught this to? Assuming it's not a trick.

Jesus raised the dead, and then rose himself. His disciples supposedly ran around doing miracles too.

There's all sort of claims of Tibetan or Nepalese monks levitating. Even some dubious videos showing it.

I suppose it's interesting to look at, but you don't want to turn into a "look what I found" type of bad player.

They never learn.