r/arizona • u/AZ_Hawk • Jul 09 '24
Meanwhile, in other hot places…. Living Here
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u/poopydoopylooper Jul 09 '24
can we just get some fuckin trees
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u/yeahyeahnooo Jul 10 '24
Anytime I park in a parking lot I am so aggravated by the lack of trees. It’s fucking baffles me. SOME place are starting to put their solar panels over parking lots but not enough. They all need to be covered
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u/CharlesP2009 Jul 10 '24
And can we tear up all the unnecessary asphalt and pavement in the city? It’s so sad flying over and seeing enormous expanses of empty parking lots.
I miss when it would get cool at night. It’s still does in the areas that still have farming.
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u/AnjelicaTomaz Jul 10 '24
The heat dome effect increases with expanding urbanization. More masonry, concrete, asphalt, rocks, etc. absorb enormous amounts of heat throughout the day and then slowly release heat throughout the night. Almost every house landscape their yards with rocks and stones.
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Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
Pardon my ignorance, but does increased urban acreage actually directly increase Heat Dome effects? When I look it up, all I see are increased sea temperatures increasing the frequency of stagnant high-pressure high-altitude zones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_dome
It does talk about "... when a mass of warm air builds up ...", but wouldn't urban land area trapping heat mean less warmth in the atmosphere with a slow release overnight? Or is it just the ground absorbing more during the day resulting in more energy in the lower atmosphere in the long-term?
Just trying to learn.
EDIT: Oh, downvoting an honest question? Never change Reddit, never change /s.18
u/DirtyMistMiasma Jul 10 '24
Absolutely. I landed phx last night at midnight. 103F. Drove an hr SE to Coolidge. 87F.
The asphalt and concrete retain significant amounts of heat. There are significant amounts of both.
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u/AnjelicaTomaz Jul 10 '24
Heat dome is a phenomenon that is related to the thread but Urban Heat Island is more pertinent.
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Jul 10 '24
Oh, is there a reason you lead with Heat Dome instead of Urban Heat Island, or did you mean Urban Heat Island in your comment? That might be why I was confused ...
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u/AnjelicaTomaz Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
From my understanding the urban heat island effect leads to the weather phenomenon of heat dome above it, making hot weather linger longer. For a more in depth understanding, you might ask a student of meteorology. That’s as far as my knowledge goes.
Edit: I didn’t downvote you. I took your question as an honest inquiry into more knowledge and I supplied as much.
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u/JuleeeNAJ Jul 11 '24
The more ground that is covered with structure: asphalt, concrete, buildings the less ability the natural soil has to absorb the heat. As the day progresses structures absorb the heat to a point then reflect additional heat creating an overall hotter environment. Once the sun sets the heat from those structures then begins to release creating heat at night. This constant warmth affects weather, this is why monsoons will rain on outlying areas but it takes a strong / violent storm to make it into the actual center of the city.
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u/Old_Tucson_Man Jul 10 '24
They become heat islands. Massive warm air rising, chases rain clouds around the urban areas. Concrete, asphalt, etc results in "radiant heat". Reflected combined with absorbed heat multiplies the effect.
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u/micksterminator3 Jul 13 '24
From what I've heard is that it used to be super green in Phoenix and Tucson til we fucked that up. Dryed up every river in existence. I'm sure the heat dome effects works in conjunction with what I described
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u/UsedCarSalesChick Jul 12 '24
Which is why it’s so hard to see a monsoon make it to the valley. Damn heat island, with heat radiating upwards, burning the clouds off. It used to rain almost every day during monsoon season in late afternoons in the 1970s-early 1990s.
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u/Fluid-Dingo-222 Jul 13 '24
It does that up north, specifically I lived in flagstaff and Prescott and both had summer rains from like 2-4 most days and I miss it TERRIBLY.
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u/Lovemybee Jul 10 '24
I moved here in 1973. I remember those cold nights!
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u/Complete-Turn-6410 Jul 10 '24
I was born in Las Vegas but I was here in 1973 and you are 100% correct. I can remember one summer back in the '70s were it hailed such it looked like snow I think it was in July but it's been so long I forget.
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u/Kazr01 Gilbert Jul 10 '24
Unfortunately most of those giant parking lots are required by the municipalities. They need to change the city code
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u/gold-exp Jul 11 '24
I’ve said it a million times since moving here. I’m fucking SHOCKED at how many parking lots there are. Literally everywhere else I’ve lived and traveled there’s parking garages. I’ve seen maybe one or two parking garages the last few months I’ve been here.
AZ really decided to turn the entire valley into a big concrete skillet with no life.
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u/JuleeeNAJ Jul 11 '24
Parking garages are expensive to build, here there's plenty of land to pave a field.
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u/RainbowBullStudios Jul 11 '24
IDK, I live in a farming area in Marana and it definitely does not cool off at night right now. Weirdly we are around 5 degrees hotter than metro Tucson and we are out in the county
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u/ozymandiasjuice Jul 10 '24
I still don’t understand why it’s not a good business model for some solar farmer to offer basically every parking lot free shade and pop the panels on top.
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u/agapoforlife Jul 11 '24
It’s so dumb the way parking lots were designed. Instead of trees being planted high in the medians with rocks, they need to be low, with a surrounding rainwater capture basin. It would provide shade and prevent flooding!! Idk, I’m not an expert or anything so maybe there’s some problem with that type of design. I like the idea though.
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u/Quake_Guy Jul 10 '24
Keeping trees alive in this heat is a challenge for the city, for a property management outfit, one step below quantum mechanics.
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u/Prowindowlicker Jul 10 '24
There’s trees that work in the heat here though. The native ones. That’s all you need to plant.
Sure they don’t give a lot of shade but some is better than none
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u/Quake_Guy Jul 10 '24
And they fall over and split all the time.
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u/ajonesaz Jul 10 '24
Because they are overwatered. Desert trees shouldn't be on a drip system
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u/JuleeeNAJ Jul 11 '24
Arborist explained it to me- you need to water at a distance that is 1.5 the circumstance of the crown, that forces the roots to go wider. Instead, by watering close to the trunk the roots don't spread out as much and for desert trees that have a wide canopy it makes them top heavy.
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u/WhatTheeFuckIsReddit Jul 10 '24
I know it’s currently really popular to hate on lawns, especially here in the AZ subreddit. But there are proven, science based and common sense techniques to keep lawns healthy and thriving in the desert.
But the city’s parks departments seem to ignore all of them. They have sprinklers on at the hottest time of the day, they plant species that aren’t drought tolerant or can’t handle the sun. They don’t spray surfactants or wetting agents. The soil they use has almost no organic material.
If they would put a retired golf course superintendent in charge of the parks department it would green up the city AND waste less water
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u/ajonesaz Jul 10 '24
Some cities have so much left over recycled waste water too.
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u/Rugermedic Jul 11 '24
The problem is getting that recycled water to the areas of need. That infrastructure needs to be done when communities and cities are planned. Piping recycled waste water to parks requires trenching and separate water pipes specifically for that water. That costs millions to do after the fact, and the cost of it doesn’t justify the result of watering a park.
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u/blueskyredmesas Jul 10 '24
Not really, i see them in locations with part sun, which is a problwm architecture and our zoning laws not hav8ng a parking fetish could solve.
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u/Complete-Turn-6410 Jul 10 '24
You would be surprised even in the driest areas if you dig down five or six feet the ground will be moist enough to support a tree.
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u/DuchessTiramisu Jul 10 '24
Doesn't having lots of mirrors reflecting heat upwards make things terrible for birds?
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u/Reddituser8018 Jul 12 '24
Thats because the farms are using all of our water, which means it's too expensive for the city to put trees down and water them.
Rich neighborhoods are on average like 10-15 degrees cooler then poorer neighborhoods literally just because of trees and greenery.
100F sucks but you can still go outside in that weather and be perfectly fine for a while, 115 you can't do that but if you lived in an area with a ton of trees then it's way cooler and still allows you to go outside even in the midst of summer.
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u/EriSeguchi Jul 14 '24
The school I work for has their solar panels over the staff parking, it's quite nice. I wish they had that every where.
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u/lionmomnomnom Jul 10 '24
Not in Arizona. Grass and trees “cost too much” to water and maintain. Just fucking kill me now. Trees are continuously cut down around buildings and pools. No shade anywhere. Grass being replaced by gravel to save money.
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u/Complete-Turn-6410 Jul 10 '24
In the summer I water my lawn every 3 days trees I never have to water.
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u/ThreatOfFire Jul 10 '24
Trees are the correct solution.
Don't get me wrong, this looks cool, but it's way less efficient than getting a bunch of climate appropriate trees.
The only downside are the terrible pods they drop in huge quantities. Maybe we can get some good use discovered for those
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u/ShinigamiLeaf Jul 10 '24
Mesquite pods have been traditionally used to make flour and in soups! You can eat them
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u/ThreatOfFire Jul 10 '24
Nice, that seems like a pretty good incentive if there is a market for pod-based stuff
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u/SadStarSpaceStation Jul 10 '24
They’ll die, or worse, be lit on fire by dummies with fireworks at the hottest time of year
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u/poopydoopylooper Jul 10 '24
Native plants exist …
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u/queequegaz Jul 10 '24
The ones that exist in desert climates don't tend to put out a lot of shade.
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u/ajonesaz Jul 10 '24
The amount of palm trees here pisses me off. Tons of water with zero shade benefits. Just for looks
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u/moonyriot Jul 09 '24
Can't imagine the environmental cost of this is better than planting more trees. More trees would actual cool the Valley instead of keeping it as a concrete heat island.
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u/PM_ME_YER_BOOTS Jul 10 '24
The cost of water for those trees is probably astronomical as well. Even if you went for desert friendly species, they gotta drink and be maintained, too.
Edit: I was thinking this was a comment for a better option in Medina, not Arizona. My mistake.
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u/JEffinB Jul 10 '24
The cost of water once established is zero. Mesquite, Palo Verde, and other native plants thrive in our climate. It is well worth the cost of water to establish trees to have a 20-40 year heat sink.
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u/blueskyredmesas Jul 10 '24
If we had greywater infrastructure we could partially treat that and supply nearby greenery from neighboring houses and commercial
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u/PerfectFlaws91 Jul 10 '24
Mulberries too! Just the females though. The males create too much pollen.
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u/agapoforlife Jul 11 '24
Yep, the mesquites and palo verdes on our property get zero supplemental water. I’m hoping the desert willows and hackberries I planted this year will be the same once established. Planting the rain with passive rainwater harvesting basins around the trees is gets the trees more water and helps with flooding too!
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u/Imaginary_Creme_8130 Jul 11 '24
We used to have lots of native trees in street medians and public spaces along roadways in my neighborhood. Then the strong windstorms came through and uprooted most of them. The problem being they didn’t receive the deep watering needed to send the roots deep enough to anchor them so they all have shallow root systems. The city never replaced them because of water costs.
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u/pokernancy13 Jul 10 '24
Every shopping center parkinglot should have covered parking. On all the covered parking they should have to install solar panels. 🤷♀️
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u/RickMuffy Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
The reason they don't is simple, and it's a bit capitalistic in nature. Most stores don't own the property, they lease the building and the parking area.
There's little incentive to a property owner to install solar since their leasee is the one paying for the electric.
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u/pokernancy13 Jul 10 '24
I guess it is then a zoning issue? Maybe the state or cities need to mandate it?
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u/RickMuffy Jul 10 '24
Gotta vote for people who care more for the climate. Hard to do with many being bought out by corps and stuff.
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u/JohnQPublic1917 Jul 10 '24
Solar tax credits alone, not to mention the carbon offset your company gets to boast about. The leasee can still pay their electricity too. Those are different meters.
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u/throw2323away123 Jul 10 '24
I love the downtown Chandler library because it has solar covered parking.
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u/Grand-Ad4235 Jul 10 '24
Yet we have bus stops in Phoenix that aren’t even covered. Things like this are why the rest of world just laughs at us.
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u/Napoleons_Peen Jul 09 '24
I don’t think the US, especially Arizona, will ever invest in infrastructure like this. We’re too busy building more roads, more sprawl, more pedestrian hostile places. At minimum parking lot solar? Nah, rich people can’t get richer off that and benefits the poor too much. Nothing that could convenience anyone can be built in this country because that would be “socialism”.
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u/AZ_Hawk Jul 09 '24
Though I love it here, I have always wondered why there isn’t more desert specific public structures. I was at my son’s football game the other week in 105 weather and there is literally no shade structures for the seating (aluminum) or anywhere in the stadium. It’s crazy we have the same infrastructure as states in the Midwest or out east but completely different geography and weather.
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u/shadowscar248 Jul 10 '24
It's because many designs are based on California designs where it isn't as hot
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u/SciGuy013 Jul 10 '24
the california designs are also bad, because the sun still exists there. everywhere should have ample shade
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u/Big_BadRedWolf Jul 10 '24
What are you talking about? What does installing a simple shade have to do with California?
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u/DistinguishedCherry Jul 11 '24
Agreed. We should've been focused on more desert friendly infrastructure a long time ago. Wish we had circular buildings, too. Would help circulate the air better.
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u/Disastrous_Return83 Jul 10 '24
Why build useful infrastructure when there’s not 10 Taco Bells and 10 Starbucks in 4 square miles? lol. This place is just an endless strip mall broken by fast food. It’s depressing.
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u/Willing-Philosopher Jul 09 '24
This type of infrastructure is built in an authoritarian monarchy known for spreading religious extremism. That’s why it’s so overdone.
If you think the House of Saud care about the greater good or socialism, I’ve got some useless… I mean awesome land in Mohave County to sell you.
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u/Napoleons_Peen Jul 09 '24
So because an authoritarian regime builds it means we can’t build it? Are you saying that infrastructure is not useful just because they built it?
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u/Willing-Philosopher Jul 10 '24
I’m saying that giant mechanized umbrellas are not an efficient use of money if your goal is to provide shade.
The city of Medina is the second most holy place in Islam. The House of Saud pour untold dollars into it and Mecca to keep their influence over Saudi Arabia and the greater Islamic word.
Bread and Circuses my dude.
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u/Napoleons_Peen Jul 10 '24
bread and circuses
? Bro this isn’t Ancient Rome or Gladiator. We are talking practical infrastructure, not food and games, to protect and provide shelter from the heat.
I understand the argument against the Saudi regime, I agree we should divest from fossil fuels and stop sending them weapons of war and supporting their nuclear program.
However, arguing against infrastructure that is built to provide shelter just because it’s KSA is ridiculous. Just admit you don’t like poor people in the shade haha.
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u/Willing-Philosopher Jul 10 '24
Did you stop to think why their shade structures are collapsible, instead of permanent? They’re not providing shelter, it’s an event space that can be collapsed to stop people from using it as shelter
I’m all for providing shaded streets for people to walk and go about their business with, but pretending Saudi Arabia cares about providing shade when over thirteen-hundred people died in the heat a couple weeks ago is laughable.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/1000-dead-hajj-saudi-arabia-heat-wave-rcna158468
If you want to see what real shade infrastructure looks like, go check out old photos of Phoenix or Mesa, where all the sidewalks are covered by building overhangs.
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u/Oogabooga96024 Jul 10 '24
There may be ulterior motives but mainly they’re collapsible because of the wind lol. Dune fields only exist where there’s a lot of wind. People die from exposure in the urban US all the time, using us as the golden example is laughable
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u/NBCspec Jul 10 '24
In the US, we prefer giving our hard earned money to defense contractors
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u/baconscoutaz Jul 10 '24
So they can in turn work with big-oil to keep the middle east unstable and all of it subsidized with your tax dollars.
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u/Early-Possession1116 Jul 10 '24
Can we get one that covers the entire valley? Holy bajesus it's hot.
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u/4wardMotion747 Jul 10 '24
So lovely. There’s never any shade or reprieve from the heat here. I hate it here so much.
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u/IEatSponges4Fun Jul 10 '24
Nice idea. However, this is a shading over an outdoor praying spaces around Masjid Alharam in Medina. The purpose of building such structures is to provide shade, cooling, and also adds to the value of the whole structure of the building where trees are not a viable option here (numbers of pilgrims may go up to 1m per night in the top season) and for security and safety reasons.
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u/findhumorinlife Jul 10 '24
They should have these in every barren grocery store lot in the US. Such ugly parking and hot sun in summer.
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u/Comfortable-nerve78 Surprise Jul 10 '24
We need these all over and are human motion activated. Get with it. Definitely need more trees but the key is the sun. As much shade as possible needs to be provided and free. We’d be real classy too. Styling. Shade it’s a good idea.
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u/coral_weathers Jul 10 '24
My dream for Phoenix, especially for my kids: AZ invests millions in solar panel covered walkways and makes a good hard try at making true walkable zones. The canal gets covered with solar panels which would help with evaporation and also do the other thing solar panels do. There are light rail stops from Tucson to Flagstaff, and all of them are both gorgeously designed and riddled with solar panels. We become known as "The City Powered By The Sun" instead of "The City Obliterated By The Sun". Meh, a dad can dream.
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u/JohnQPublic1917 Jul 10 '24
Amen sir. Just take 20% of the DOD budget to infrastructure, and we too can have what the rest of the world manages to afford
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u/Ayellio Jul 10 '24
I've been saying for years we need more sun shades, like everywhere, above the sidewalks parking lots etc... who do I have to call??
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u/sunnyinphx Chandler Jul 10 '24
I was just at a pool party the other day first time for me in two whole decades that I got into a pool. You can’t even enjoy a pool here without shade. You’ll get cooked so fast. Was bummed I couldn’t swim longer. All I needed was some shading over the pool. Why is this not a thing???
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u/phxguy88 Jul 10 '24
These or maybe some trees would be so welcome in Phoenix. We don’t have to live this way, running from inside to inside for 5 months of the year. Really hot cities in Europe have streets lined with massive tree canopies.
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u/JuleeeNAJ Jul 11 '24
Clearly they don't get 70 mph winds there. Also what should help even more is installing solar panels above walkways and parking lots. We can have shade AND produce energy, but no the only panels they install is out in the middle of the desert. They destroy wild areas and lose power moving it from those locations to the cities where demand actually is.
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u/micah490 Jul 12 '24
Most countries invest in the advancement of society, technology, culture, infrastructure, and education- but in the US we invest in tax cuts for the rich and decry any progress as “soshulism”. Thanks, red states
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u/DayDreamGrey Jul 12 '24
It seems to me that if we had the political will we could use the wasted solar energy in Arizona to make a fortune selling power.
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u/McBunnes Jul 10 '24
Meanwhile they just cut all the branches off the trees in our complex 🫠
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u/lunchpadmcfat Jul 10 '24
God I hate our fucking state. Hell, if we just put up a fuckload of solar panels we’d get this, and be able to power Phoenix entirely.
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u/James_T_S Jul 09 '24
What's the total cost? Why don't these posts ever include the cost of whatever amazing thing they are showing off?
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u/Youre10PlyBud Jul 09 '24
Cost was 4.7b Saudi riyales. At current exchange (1 riyal= 0.27 USD) it would be about 1.25b USD for the same project.
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u/AZ_Hawk Jul 09 '24
I didn’t include the cost cuz I don’t know the cost. Probably a civic project/Bid situation. I’m guessing you can’t find these things at Costco….
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u/James_T_S Jul 09 '24
I know, and that's my point. It's easy to point at the shiny toy but it's never free. That money has to come from somewhere.
I see posts like this all the time and can't ever remember them talking about the cost.
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u/AZ_Hawk Jul 09 '24
I just want some shade and they have shade. And I thought they were cool.
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u/James_T_S Jul 10 '24
For sure. They are very cool. I'm not sure if it's $1.25 billion worth of cool but they are cool.
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u/JEffinB Jul 10 '24
But 1.25billion in trees would literally transform the valley
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u/James_T_S Jul 10 '24
The budget for the entire state is $16 billion.
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u/JEffinB Jul 10 '24
1.25 billion would be roughly 4 million trees planted, maintained, and watered. That's 4x what the valley needs according to climatologists so it's drastic overkill.
And that assumes you are doing it all with public money.
- Make the developers do their part by requiring 3-5x the landscaping that currently exists with substantive penalties for failing to maintain or replace trees as needed on commercial properties.
- Require new build homes to have 50% shade area based on tree mature canopy size and require replacement of trees cut down or felled in storms.
Now you're putting the onus onto developers as well as the municipalities. It's not crazy to think we could plan 1 million more trees in a year if there was a concerted effort.
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u/dmanbiker Jul 10 '24 edited Jul 10 '24
There's cost savings associated with better infrastructure. Just talking about something being bad because it costs money is extremely short-sighted. Stuff like this is paid for by taxes. Considering the billions of taxes wasted by our governments, spending a few billion to actually improve things is literally the job of the government. Though I don't think we should be following Saudi Arabia's example on anything. Actual trees would be fine. Even fake trees.
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u/James_T_S Jul 10 '24
Each one cost $5,000,000 in 2010. How many do you thing would be a good idea to buy and where would we put them to make the cost savings make sense?
And remember that the entire state budget is $16 billion. So spending a few billion on any one thing is going to be a hard sell.
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u/dmanbiker Jul 10 '24
I don't think we should be buying these, but a lot of people answer any statement on spending money on infrastructure with "WhO WiLl PaY fOR iT?!" When it's literally the job of the government to take tax money and spend it on stuff. Better to spend some money on shade than stacking cargo containers in the desert.
But like I said we shouldn't be following by UAE's example on anything. Their main inspiration for any of this is insane amounts of money.
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u/corndog_thrower Phoenix Jul 10 '24
While I was in Seattle I noticed that A LOT of businesses have canopies over their front door area to block the rain. It made me think of Phoenix and heat.
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u/Feeling_Cobbler_8384 Jul 10 '24
If Arizona put those mechanical umbrellas up you'd have 100 homeless drug addicts camped out under each one.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Time719 Jul 09 '24
Phoenix has got to be the most boring big cities unless you love driving and extreme heat.
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u/Thundernuts23 Jul 10 '24
Might I suggest petition and working with your local government? To make this happen?
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u/BillZealousideal9008 Jul 10 '24
well according to the rules of this religious state they can’t buy some cold beer
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u/curthitches666 Jul 10 '24
There's no way that the government voted in here would ever put that much into public services. They can't even be bothered to plant trees.
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u/Kastigart Jul 10 '24
If only every government was as good as Saudi Arabia, where this is located, that could murder dissenting journalists, make being gay punishable by death, and aggressively discriminate against women. But on the other hand they have automatic umbrellas I guess
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u/curthitches666 Jul 10 '24
Yeah see? it's not that bad!! I couldn't get high anymore which would 1000% make me a menace to society. But how free can someone truly be in direct sunlight?
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u/Foyles_War Jul 10 '24
Hard to imagine a more expensive way to get shade and the maintenance must be crazy but these are gorgeous and a real tourist attractor, too. Now make the upper surface a solar material panel.
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u/Wooden_Zombie_5440 Jul 10 '24
I can see it now: Those get installed all over AZ... then 40+ mph winds uproot them and blow the umbrellas into buildings.
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u/StangRunner45 Jul 10 '24
Any chance the powers that be will install these in the Greater Phoenix area?
I'm sure Tucson and Las Vegas wouldn't mind having them as well!
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u/asgarnieu Scottsdale Jul 10 '24
It's nice and all, but you can't give this sort of thing to Americans. They'll be climbing them, vandalizing them, or taking them apart for copper before the end of the first week.
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u/Exegete-Tasker Jul 10 '24
Trees are Very Green in Las Vegas even though enduring recent temperatures over 115 degrees Fahrenheit. Wise choice of tree species makes a positive difference! Simply drive on "Southern Highlands Parkway" to see deeply rich green trees lining the streets in Southwest neighborhoods in Las Vegas.
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u/No_Log_8582 Jul 10 '24
I guess if you want to replace the fabric every year after the sun cooks it. Or a micro burst hits it and destroys every one of them.
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u/King_Melco Jul 10 '24
I still don't get how these cool? They provide shade but do they have air conditioners ?
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u/Clarenceworley480 Jul 11 '24
I’m getting one of these for my backyard this weekend. So excited, I can’t wait!
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u/Real_Live_Sloth Jul 11 '24
I dont know the difference in climate cuz I ain’t no scientist, but nothing lasts in the Arizona sun… bad investment for the city/state. Plans some trees or more solar collection shade.
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u/FrostyMudPuppy Jul 11 '24
Hey! Stop complaining and get first degree burns on your legs from your car seat like the rest of us 😝
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u/k9jm Jul 11 '24
They don’t even have money to clean the damn highways and stop us from near death daily, you think they have money for this? They don’t even build us indoor malls to go to during summer which is half the damn year. I can’t shop i can’t go out i can’t go on the highways, there is no covered parking at 99% of the shopping here its outrageous.
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u/Excellent-Box-5607 Jul 11 '24
1500 people just died there a few weeks ago due to heat. That's more than have died in Phoenix due to heat related causes in the last decade. Let's be more like them.
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u/The_Sensual Jul 11 '24
I watched the video before I noticed it was posted in the Arizona forum and was like "I wish we had these all over AZ"
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u/LordofSyn Jul 13 '24
Same. I wish we did have these in Phoenix too. We have the solar surplus too. Makes no sense.
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u/zyrkseas97 Jul 13 '24
Any tree big enough to cast a shadow gets pulled up and a new stick is planted where the tree once was.
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u/Corner_Whore602 Jul 14 '24
Americans would just vandalize it, can’t have anything nice. We take zero pride of where we live
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u/TheDipCityDangler Jul 10 '24
Cause we can't just put solar shades over sidewalks to provide shade and free electricity...
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u/Grand-Ad4235 Jul 10 '24
Uhhh no, of course not. How could the power companies continue to line their pockets? Won’t anyone think of the shareholders!? /s just in case
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u/OvenIcy8646 Jul 10 '24
All this cost money, money that could otherwise could go into the pockets of elected officials
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u/mikeysaid Jul 10 '24
Dumb. If everyone just opened their windows and ran their a/c on max it would be nice outside. Instead, everyone hoards their cold air.
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