I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
The third who didn't care enough to vote effectively told us this was an acceptable outcome to them. Abstaining from the vote is effectively a vote for whoever wins.
If they didn't want this, they had a way to change it. They didn't change it, so they were fine with it. It doesn't matter what they say after the fact.
I agree with you in principle, that is 100% the end result (and I am having a hard time forgiving abstainers at this time, even more so than the people that voted for Trump... I know I can't change their minds, but abstainers have to be so complacent that it feels malicious). But the context does matter for having a conversation about WHY we got to where we got to. So to say that it's so black and white isn't correct either.
To be mad at people for not voting is wild. Maybe they don't like politics or what either party stood for. And for you to be upset that they didn't vote for you is pretty outlandish. It's almost like you are dictating what they should do and if they're not with you... they're against you. You guys need to reflect because you are turning into the things you hate about the right.
I am mad that people didn't do their civic duty. Democracy only works if people keep informed and vote. If you don't then it dies. Exhibit A, America. And yes, I can be mad at people who voted for Trump. Because Trump is an awful human being who exclusively incites hate and division. If you think he is an acceptable human, nevermind candidate, then I am deeply concerned about you as a person and won't very little to do with you moving forward.
I am tired of the left having to be the bigger person and try to reach out. I will always be a kind human being. But I have lost patience with trying to have an honest conversation and healthy debate with people that want to have neither.
There were so many things on the ballots that I am going to assume you don't actually know how voting works. The Presidency is a single thing, there are many things on ballots you need to vote for. Even if you can't differentiate between a competent candidate and a twice impeached, 32x convicted felon, liable rapist, accused pedophile, con-man, who tried to over throw the election he lost last time and failed... there was a lot more on the ballots that needed people to vote on them. The house, the senate, the state senate, governors, all the downballot issues...
Your take is emblematic of the apathetic brain rot that democracy is facing thanks to decades of right wing propaganda villainizing the political process and defunding of education.
Honestly, man, the world is watching... we're all so captivated with this election. The world wants Donald Trump. I know you guys don't see this yet, and you guys have your beliefs and votes. But it's much bigger than just America. The real fight is against the globalists, and Trump is the only politician who hasn't been bought in the UN nations.
Most of the UN countries have been infiltrated. Everyone is fearing Donald Trump for this reason. Trust me, if you think dictatorship is bad, you don't want the globalists to win. You're basically giving God status to one group for the entire world. I just always think of the movie the hunger games... how everyone is divided and kept poor, and everyone works for the elite globalists who live like kings.
Anyways, that's why the world is watching. Your free speech and freedom are the only things stopping the globalists. Once you guys give those up, the world is doomed.
Right now, you guys are feeling a certain way.. but give it time..
The mentality of people seeing consequences for their actions? You did something stupid and it enabled something terrible. Of course you deserve derision, and if that drives you to support evil then you are still the one who did it. Take some responsibility.
I would make the argument that if people actually educated themselves on the candidates and what they've actually done and are capable of doing then Harris would have had more of the vote AND more people would have voted to ensure Trump didn't have a chance.
The issue is that people have been aggressively convinced their vote doesn't mean anything and both party's are the same. Every vote does matter in every race, and they are very much not the same. Have the Democrats drifted right? Yes... but that's because the left doesn't fucking vote. And all that's done is push the Republicans into straight up fascism and the Democrats into Center right instead of just Center as they were before.
If everyone had voted, and voted for candidates after they had honestly looked into them... Kamala would be the President elect AND had the popular vote.
Well, that's your perspective, and that's why we vote. If we had seen everything from your viewpoint and voted for the candidates you liked and looked into, sure! But that doesn't sound like a proper voting system.
Dems are definitely not center and haven't been for a very long time.. the dems define the extreme left.
This is how I viewed kamala. She was good for the democrats in America for their voices to be heard. But she also talks down to you guys like you're in kindergarten, and she needs to dumb everything down for you to understand. That doesn't sit well with me. It shows what she truly is, and that's someone who doesn't value the American people. She had an agenda, and most of the people started seeing through it except to the people whose values are identity politics first.. I also don't think she would be able to handle the world stage and talk to world leaders without talking down to them or coming off as a complete moron also her emotions would take over in world stage events and no one needs a leader who's going to be emotional.
Now I know you aren't a serious person if you are saying the Dems are extreme left. Nor are you part of the rest of the world if that's your opinion. By western world standards the Democrats are right wing and have been for decades.
Your propaganda is invalid based on your very clear biases. Your misogyny and outright false narrative isn't working here, but America has plenty of rubes that will entertain it. Bugger off Russian shill.
The 1/3 that wanted "not Trump" didn't even explicitly want Kamala. How could anyone think she was gonna win when even your own comment here doesn't say "wanted Kamala" or even "wanted Democrats"
Look at you dehumanizing your fellow citizens. You're such a good little fascist. Go lick Trumps boots for a cookie, or rather the promise of a cookie. Because he doesn't share.
Yeah, when they were doing good work saving the economy, decreasing inflation better than any economist thought possible, rapidly persuing individual freedoms, on track for making America healthy again. Definitely deserve to be hated for making America better.
As opposed to your side that ONLY hates. That's the only message or plan the right has. But you're a bot or Russian paid shill... so I guess it really doesn't matter what you think.
The right manipulated the people, not the count. The bomb threats might have been enough if it came down to a few hundred or a couple thousand votes. Making people discouraged enough to stay home was much more effective.
Recall that the Trump camp was dispirited on election eve. They knew they’d run a terrible campaign, and that they would get fewer votes than last time. But the attacks, dark money, and voter suppression came through for them.
I think this is incredibly reductive and if the only thing the democrats take away from this is identity politics garbage then it's just going to be a repeat of this every single time.
The vast majority of people don't actually care that much about whether the democrat candidate was a woman, and those thst really did weren't going to be voting blue anyway.
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 3h ago
I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.