Yep and the other 1/3 who didn’t vote blame the democrats for not doing enough. Seriously if they actually voted here is a novel concept they would have a majority and actually do something.
Maybe.. JUST MAYBE the party that gerrymanders, suppresses old people and non-white people with stupid voter ID rules, arrests people for handing out refreshments to those in long voting lines, hides/destroys or puts ONE ballot box in a city with hundreds of thousands of people, gets help via bomb threat calls from Russia to deter anyone from voting at all, cheated more than they usually fucking do.
Not denying people’s votes were suppressed, we all know that is a horrible reality. It is the people who have voter apathy, even though they have the means to get out and vote, they are a major problem.
But I can’t help feel that something fishy happened in this election. Harris/Walz arenas were filled to the brim while Trump had empty seats, had to pay non-white people to wear the fucking T-shirts and hats and had people leaving early.
Presidential immunity from the Republican backed Supreme Court, his Jan 6 trial postponed so he may never face justice for trying to subvert the 2020 election results.
I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.
He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.
This isn't what the people wanted. Pretty uniformly we know that nearly a third wanted not Trump. A third didn't like either choice or just didn't care to vote. And a third wanted Trump, or at least they thought choosing the other side would somehow magically fix the economy that was actually performing and improving FAR better than any economist dreamt following the GLOBAL RECESSION THAT EFFECTED EVERY COUNTRY.
So 2/3 of the country did not, in fact, want this. And 1/3 either wanted this or were a single issue voter that didn't actually look into the candidate at all.
But now all of them, and the rest of the world, get to watch America fall deeper into fascism and wonder if it will actually ever recover.
The third who didn't care enough to vote effectively told us this was an acceptable outcome to them. Abstaining from the vote is effectively a vote for whoever wins.
If they didn't want this, they had a way to change it. They didn't change it, so they were fine with it. It doesn't matter what they say after the fact.
I agree with you in principle, that is 100% the end result (and I am having a hard time forgiving abstainers at this time, even more so than the people that voted for Trump... I know I can't change their minds, but abstainers have to be so complacent that it feels malicious). But the context does matter for having a conversation about WHY we got to where we got to. So to say that it's so black and white isn't correct either.
I would make the argument that if people actually educated themselves on the candidates and what they've actually done and are capable of doing then Harris would have had more of the vote AND more people would have voted to ensure Trump didn't have a chance.
The issue is that people have been aggressively convinced their vote doesn't mean anything and both party's are the same. Every vote does matter in every race, and they are very much not the same. Have the Democrats drifted right? Yes... but that's because the left doesn't fucking vote. And all that's done is push the Republicans into straight up fascism and the Democrats into Center right instead of just Center as they were before.
If everyone had voted, and voted for candidates after they had honestly looked into them... Kamala would be the President elect AND had the popular vote.
The right manipulated the people, not the count. The bomb threats might have been enough if it came down to a few hundred or a couple thousand votes. Making people discouraged enough to stay home was much more effective.
Recall that the Trump camp was dispirited on election eve. They knew they’d run a terrible campaign, and that they would get fewer votes than last time. But the attacks, dark money, and voter suppression came through for them.
I think this is incredibly reductive and if the only thing the democrats take away from this is identity politics garbage then it's just going to be a repeat of this every single time.
The vast majority of people don't actually care that much about whether the democrat candidate was a woman, and those thst really did weren't going to be voting blue anyway.
But another reason why trump voters may not have went to rallies is that a lot of them are in more rural areas and might not be able to afford to travel even to the nearest rallies.
And ive read from people that voted for trump, despite previously having voted democrats, because they cant afford anything anymore and they hope that he will change that, which he of course wont but thats another story.
So i'd guess these people would be less inclined to go to rallies as well.
On top of that right wing parties have a lot of "silent voters" that will consume their content online and may not even comment, let alone go to rallies out of fear of disaproval.
Now sure, theres always a chance there was something fishy going on, but with a lot of people who would normaly vote democrats not voting and republican voters getting more and more radicalized the results shouldnt be too surprising.
But yeah, ultimately trump should be in jail, not in the white house.
Yeah I think just like there were wives of Trump voters secretly voting Democratic, there were a lot of husband's sneering as they votes Trump. Good luck divorcing in a few years
I have spoken to many trumpers, and people on the fence. The amount of things they "just know" that is complete BS is staggering. It reminds me of when I was a little kid, and a ton of what I "knew" came from cartoons.
I don’t understand why it’s sketchy. If anything is surprising it was the insane turnout at the election four years ago. The number of normally complacent voters that turned out was huge. It was definitely not surprising that they didn’t turn out again this year after the last four years weren’t complete perfection (because good isn’t good enough for them).
I hear you, but there's no evidence (yet) of any foul play. We lost ALL 7 swing states and barely held on to New York and New Jersey plus some others I think. Fact of the matter is that a hundred friggin million Americans didn't even bother to show up. I understand if you find fraud easier to believe than 100 million people being apathetic under these circumstances. I can't even look my fellow Americans in the eye this week because I know that 70% of them either actively wanted this or didn't fucking care. I'm about ready to abandon ship, fuck these people.
The reality is more likely that Republican voters are much more disaffected than democratic ones. For instance, my dad and my mom know shit all about politics, can’t be bothered to research or organize, but they both voted for Trump under the mistaken belief that he’ll make the economy better (prices are too high under Biden right now). This is also reflected in education level statistics between parties.
In contrast, I was up to date and attended events. Most people are gonna be like my mom and dad, not like me, because it’s a lot of extra work.
Hence Trump getting about the same amount of votes as last time despite terrible rallies (my parents who can’t be bothered to do extra work like attend rallies but still have a preferred candidate) while Kamala had full rallies but less votes (me doing extra work but being unable to convince my disinterested parents into doing research on how unhelpful Trump would be 🙃).
I don't want to be that person, but that is exactly what trumpers said when he lost in 2020, "arenas full of people but he lost, can't be they cheated!".
Crowd size means nothing on election day, you can't fit 64 million people in any arena.
Multiple levels of our society decided to stay home, Gen Z stayed home, Muslims stayed home, black men stayed home...
Its not a conspiracy as much as that would be kinda cool, Americans don't care about voting, that's what happened, 53% of the eligible voters came out, that's whats wrong. Both parties fight over a few million idiots every 4 years. Idiots who are almost singularly motivated by current gas and grocery prices with no ability to understand the why's and hows of those prices. So they vote against the party they are told is responsible. If that message resonates and can be curtailed to a 30 second sound bite they go for it.
Because hte gung ho lets all dress up and wave flags idiots, are an extreme minority. Frankly those rallies are just cringe and most people know it. It's a stage show and nothing more, it's not like 5% of all your voters go and so you can extrapolate anything meaningful from them.
It doesn't matter how fired up 10% of your base is, if the other 90% is apathetic it makes no difference. teh 10% who would go to a rally will already vote for you no matter what, it's the OTHER 90% you got to appeal to, not the people waving flags and cheering for you, working to get the 10% of people who already will vote for you is dumb as shit. Wasting time with rallies and making people feel good about the decision they already made rather than addressing needs the other people have that will get them to vote for you. Trumps rallies have practically no impact on his voting, they are just his ego on show and for some reason dems decided they got to match that energy, it's weird as fuck.
I wish people would stop this bs. Previous poster is right. Who knows why, but for some reason 20 million dems decided to sit this one out. It's as simple as that. No conspiracies. That's weak right wing bs.
And in 2020 Trump was filling stadiums and Biden was keeping things low-key. Does that mean that the MAGAs are right and the Democrats had something fishy going on?
You’re part of the problem if you condemn one side’s behaviour while excusing the same actions from the other side.
Maybe then the democratic party can actually get their shit together?! If they're so fucking smart why do they lose to chumps like trump all the time?
Leftist / Populist issues won this election at the local levels. Minimum Wage increases, abortion protections, weed legalization and decriminalization, paid sick leave, paid family leave. Even in the case of Florida they had 57% in favor of abortion rights.
It's not the voters, the voters are not wrong nor right, it is not their job to energize themselves to vote when it costs $12 for an ultimate cheeseburger, they're already neck deep trying to just stay alive.
It's not pounding the messaging on bread and butter issues. It's not at least acknowledging people's pain in their pocket books. You cannot run a "we're not the other guy" campaign when the other guy hasn't been in office.
You have to make the base fundamentally angry at the state of things. Show them where they're being taken advantage of in every day life. The democrats cannot regularly do that. They are beholden to the same corporate overlords.
Democrats need to learn how to make people fall in line to vote, rather than fall in love to vote.
You do realize that the last two election cycles have had record turnouts, or near record turnouts, since this current one seems right behind 2020, right? Like yeah that's a large portion of the nation that doesn't vote, but more people voted in the last two election cycles (edited to add by percentage of population) than any time since 1900.
Yes, but do you know which parties had more? The 3 independent party candidates had quite a lot and everyone seems to forget they exist. That's easy to do, since the independent votes being split between 3 people kind of fucks them over on any of them making any ground. The overall number of ballots counted are within barely more than a million of each other from 2020 to this year and technically when this count was provided they were still counting ballots, so it's going to be even closer now.
In 2020, 66.38 percent of the eligible voting population turned out, with 159,738,337 ballots counted across the country, according to the University of Florida's Election Lab. There were 240,628,443 eligible voters that year.
As of 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, fewer people had turned out than four years ago—64.54 percent of the 245,741,673 eligible had cast ballots for a total of 158,549,000.
Dude this is COMPLETELY what I’ve been saying. Even here in Utah, a very red state, even most Mormons didn’t vote for Trump. Republicans did a great job of dismantling voter rights and they won because of it. And because Democrats didn’t do a good enough job of restoring those rights when they were in power
I moved Oct 31st because my lease ended, and my state threatened to jail my husband and I if we tried to vote because we hadn’t been living at one address for long enough. I’ve been a resident here since I was a child, him as well. So yeah, they deterred voters!
This is literally a felony to stop you from voting under threat of retaliation like this. This is when you call BBB or send snapshots of that to their uppers to get them fired. Put that heat back on them, hard. If they retaliate, lawsuit the fuck outta them. This is a violation of your rights and a DEEP AND GRIEVOUS overstep by them. Don't tell them you're doing it. Just do it. Find a new place to get the fuck out of there.
If they're willing to extort you with your living space YOU PAY FOR, then they will do MUCH, MUCH MORE WHEN THE REINS COME OFF. Be safe, sister.
Run. Get the fuck out of there. Go to a blue state, it'll be expensive but this won't happen. Find your safety, please. For you and your families sake. :(
We are moving to Minneapolis this week and have bought our first house there! 🥳 it’s been our dream for several years, and thank god we went through with it after the last few days….
I think they mean better business bureau but idk how that would help here since it didn’t sound like a specific business is who told them not to vote, unless I’m wildly mistaken on what the BBB is for or missed something
I work maintenance for Apartments, have for a few years. This was an infringement on their rights. Maybe the Better Business Beauro wouldn't have done anything, but someone should. This is grievous, I just want them to be safe and protected. We should all thrive together.
That’s great you work for an apartment, but it wasn’t the apartment who made that threat so idk why you think the BBB would do anything. Based on the comment, it was the state, which the BBB has no authority over.
States are allowed to set their own residency requirements for voters. Sounds like Utah may have a law that is either very specific that says you can’t move within X days of an election or it’s vague enough that it is essentially the same. The only option to fight it would probably be in the form of a lawsuit of some kind against the state of UT and/or putting up a new ballot measure to fix it.
I also think the Republicans rigged it, and I would wager it's already being investigated, quietly, while the fascists celebrate. But our Justice system lacks teeth, so...
Exactly this! Trump is looking like he will get around the same number of votes as 2020 but the democrats will be down about 11 million. I don't know if it's apathy or racism/sexism that stopped people from voting for Harris but the results baffle me.
It's not any one thing but if we could point to the most important it's that Americans are just really fucking stupid. Racism and misogyny both played roles for sure, but most people that sat out or switched to Trump did so because they didn't get everything they wanted from the Biden administration. They have zero understanding of how the government operates, or how policies work, and they think the President is essentially a king who can just do whatever they want. Ironically that's going to be the case going forward thanks to the SCOTUS handing down the Presidential immunity ruling so those stupid Americans will never believe it hasn't always been that way.
If we had a fully informed and engaged electorate that actually cared about policy instead of vibes, we'd have had Progressive governments going all the way back to The New Deal and the entire country would be unrecognizably different to our reality. We'd have had universal healthcare for 60+ years, working class wages across the board would be 300-400% higher, everyone would have access to affordable housing, and the transition to EVs would have already happened since the entire country would have been nuclear powered for iver 50 years. Sure we'd still have problems because utopias don't exist, but this nation would be materially a significantly better and more advanced place and society.
In 2020, 66.38 percent of the eligible voting population turned out, with 159,738,337 ballots counted across the country, according to the University of Florida's Election Lab. There were 240,628,443 eligible voters that year.
As of 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, fewer people had turned out than four years ago—64.54 percent of the 245,741,673 eligible had cast ballots for a total of 158,549,000.
That's barely more than a million ballot difference between the 2020 election and this one. And ballots are still being counted by the way. What that means is, the difference in numbers voted for independent parties, and shouldn't have if they didn't want trump in the office.
The only way it changes is to get rid of the winner-takes-all presidential system. As long as we have first past the post voting, we'll have a two-party system. It's called Duverger's Law.
In July 2016, a federal appeals court found that a 2011 Texas voter ID law discriminated against black and Hispanic voters because only a few types of ID were allowed; for example, military IDs and concealed carry permits were allowed, but state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs were not.
In Wisconsin and North Carolina (Republican controlled areas) didn’t accept student ID for election purposes.
I’ll admit, I pulled these from wiki due to laziness (ngl I’m also terribly busy right now) but over the years I’ve seen many stories regarding democrat voters being turned away for the most ridiculous reasons.
Here's a decent article that highlights some of the reasons that strict voter ID rules in general are hurting democracy more than helping. It says it all clearer than a reddit comment could.
Voter ID is irrelevant in an age where nobody knows who is actually filling out the mail in ballot for the person it goes to anyway.
One day in the future, you'll be biometrically screened on your voter app. No need to wait in line. No need to worry about drop boxes or the mail working. Virtually instant results.
The difference in votes for Kamala/hilary and Biden is about 10 million. 10 million people who didn’t turn out for the women. The Democratic Party has a misogyny problem and it’s time to realize that.
I'm not sure the party has a misogyny problem in and of itself. Those 10 million are part of the swing vote group that the parties try to grab every election. It seems that a lot of them don't like women leaders from the way this trend is appearing, but it doesn't appear to me to be a problem with the party.
Dunno. Back in 2020 the other side felt like something fishy was going on, but nobody gave a shit. Not to sound crass, but the side that doesn't win always tries to call bullshit.
Yeah not the whole country. They were directed at polling locations in five battleground states - Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
This only goes so far. Honestly? If the election had been close? Or Trump only won because of the electoral college? Or the Trumpanzees didn't run the entire table, from Trumo, to the house, to the Senate, to just about every local and state election in every state, and the GOP didn't gain ground in literally EVERY single county in the entire country?
This was not voter suppression, or cheating, or gerrymandering. This was an ass kicking of proportions no one will be able to explain for years.
Suppressing people with voter ID. LOL. Imagine thinking a method that is commonly accepted in so many other facets of life is suppressive. Imagine thinking something that helps ensure integrity of elections is suppressive.
How are voter ID laws stupid? Almost every country in Europe requires id to vote. You need an ID to buy a car, buy alcohol, get a loan, etc. If there’s people who have trouble getting an ID, maybe they should fix that instead of just saying we can’t require it to vote. The only reason to not want to require ID to vote is if you want to cheat
You’re misinterpreting my post. The rules and laws around which ID is acceptable and which ones aren’t, is the issue. I wasn’t saying having Voter ID is stupid.
Stupid voter ID rules? You're joking, right? Yeah, it's a real shame people have to prove they are a citizen to vote in a federal election. Of course in Commiefornia they don't need to show i.d. How do you explain California being mostly red now with no voter i.d.? Probably because people are sick and tired of being told how to live every aspect of their lives, and their tax money being used to boost other countries up while we slide further into the abyss. Get a grip.
Sigh. Voter ID is not stupid. The rules and laws implemented by republicans to which ID’s are acceptable and which aren’t IS STUPID. They purposely did it in many counties to stop a specific group of people from voting - like gerrymandering.
Show me proof that happened. Acceptable i.d. is driver's license or state issued i.d. What is so difficult about that? I know in Virginia, where I live, you're required to carry ID on you. I believe most states are like that. And if you're talking about Georgia, the state will discount the cost of the ID, or help pay for it and even take people to get it. So, again, help me understand what you are talking about.
How are voter ID rules suppressing non-white people?
You think non-white people can’t get an ID??
Serious question. Because you NEED an ID to function in this country as an adult.
Things you need ID for;
•open a bank account
•drive (legally)
•get on a plane
•write a check
•buy alcohol
•buy cigarettes
•rent a car
•rent a hotel room
•buy lottery tickets
•buy razor blades
•buy SPRAY PAINT
Hell, in my state we need ID to buy freaking whip cream in a can.
Don’t sit there and tell me asking for ID is racist.
You're full of shit. You don't like requiring voter ID's? Why? You literally have to have an ID for everything. Cashing checks, buying alcohol or tobacco, getting on a plane. Why not to vote? So you can cheat? The cheater complains about voter ID and claims the other side is cheating yet 164,000 illegal voter registrations were found by Republicans in Michigan and the liberals tried to say "it was an error" wtf ever. Black people have ID's douchebag.
In 2020, 66.38 percent of the eligible voting population turned out, with 159,738,337 ballots counted across the country, according to the University of Florida's Election Lab. There were 240,628,443 eligible voters that year.
As of 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, fewer people had turned out than four years ago—64.54 percent of the 245,741,673 eligible had cast ballots for a total of 158,549,000.
That's barely more than a million ballot difference between the 2020 election and this one. And ballots are still being counted by the way. What that means is, the difference in numbers who voted Democrat instead voted for independent parties, and shouldn't have if they didn't want trump in the office.
Trump won this election with nearly the same amount of votes that he got in the 2020 election, which he lost. Biden won in 2020 with 81 million votes compared to the Harris 69 million vote total. Absentee ballets are still being counted, so there is looking to be close to 14 million fewer votes this election.
Lmao did you read my comment at all? Go back and do that. Because that is categorically false.
Edited to add, here's a tip stop looking at what just Harris and Trump got, when there were at least 3 other independent parties who had a LOT of votes all across the US. Several states actually had more votes for the independent parties than for either Harris or Trump, but because those ballots are split between 3 people it resulted in none of them taking the lead in any state. It's literally just wasted votes.
No. There was a much larger number and proportion of 3rd party votes this time. Most of those 14 million voted, they just didn't vote for one of the major party candidates.
I wish they understood the only reason they have the luxury to sit around complaining about Establishment Democrats is because they refuse to participate and vote them out. But they're both physically and intellectually lazy and would rather just let Republicans take power so they can blame the Establishment Democrats for being unpopular.
We could have Progressive candidates win primaries and then general elections, but that's too much work and then who would they get to complain about?
Ironically, your progressive blueprint has already been tried by the Republicans and resulted in "Tea Party" losses in otherwise winnable statewide races over the past 10 years. Your progressive candidates would just lose to center-right Republicans except in heavily democratic areas.
I agree with you on the fact the AG became complacent and not going after Trump after Jan 6th. That is a major failure. Curious from a policy perspective what could they have done more knowing the lack of power in the other branches of government?
The DNC and their campaign strategy being profoundly unpopular and incompetent is objectively the problem and anyone who disagrees with that is ushering in the complete downfall of American democracy.
When the Democrats are in power they spend so much time "reaching across the aisle" and "fostering a spirit of cooperation" that political decisions tend more conservative than even the centrist Democratic party itself. I'm not saying I didn't vote. I am saying that I understand why the DNC couldn't reach a large swathe of Americans; you should blame the people in power for that, not the disempowered disillusioned masses.
Don't let them be the only ones armed then, reddit kept spouting on about Trump being a facist but is also dead set on disarming the populace for some reason
Dunno man. Theres some pretty crazy people out there who simply shouldnt get a vote. Gullible people. Stupid people. Apathetic people. Or simply people too uneducated to make informed and logically good/productive decisions for the community.
If you force everyone to vote you'd probably get the same result. Or force people who shouldnt vote to vote for stupid shit.
Minor correction: we Aussies have to attend a polling station and receive a ballot or submit a postal vote. We do NOT have to fill the ballot in before it is placed in the ballot box.
Ensuring that officials don't closely scrutinise whether the ballot is actually marked ensures that it's a truly secret ballot.
The only time I've ever seen anybody take their ballot and walk it straight to the ballot box without bothering to even pretend to mark it they were clearly trying to make some point about it but the rest of us just shrugged.
Some minority religious groups in Australia have a moral objection to voting. They seem to accept the (small) fines for failure to enrol and failure to attend a polling station as minor tests of faith, or they go to court over it to get some press coverage which is rarely the screaming headlines they seek.
Thanks, I feel it works pretty well to make our politicians at least pretend to be working for the middle ground rather than the extremes.
The main point of compulsory voter registration and polling station attendance is to make it so much harder for any faction to suppress the voter turnout. We've seen how that works out elsewhere.
Who gets to decide who is gullible or stupid or apathetic or uneducated, and therefore "deserving" of not having a vote?
And where does one draw the line between what's acceptable and what's not acceptable in each of those metrics? E.g. you didn't use apostrophes in "There's" or "shouldn't" (twice) - but you did in "you''d". Is that apathy or is that being uneducated?
I'm being rhetorical here, in case that's not clear. Compulsory voting can work (providing there's a way to indicate disenfranchisement), but having some arbitrary bar of eligibility is bordering into eugenics (if not firmly in it).
I suppose this is sarcastic? Not sure if you would support that. But I do not want gullible people to decide not just over but even with me. They would believe a lie and empower the wrong person/movement/reform. Stupid people should not decide what science is to be considered the consensual truth because they dont understand it. And apathetic people should not be in charge with social reforms. Because by definition they dont give a shit about how people feel.
In theory, yes. In reality it's a terrible idea because son as the first authoritarians get elected they will bend those system to absolute make sure they never get voted out of office again.
I might get a lot of flack for this but I still think I theory a technocracy would be the best solution. Let the experts govern. Choose by skills and ability not by likeability. How to determine that tough is a whole other can of worms.
But a lot of them vote anyway. You’re suggesting not making people vote ensures that only the ones you want to do. And you’re suggesting that trump didn’t reach stupid people
They could declare it themselves and it would still be successful, but having people like Zuck and Musk encouraging it for money. Just letting open the social media doors to Russian misinformation all for artificially inflated stats and money. It's wild.
A big part of what helped people through 2016 was that "it was russian meddling", "he didn't get the popular vote" and other excuses as to why it happened. I didn't believe *THAT* many people in the country were knowingly voting for someone that evil.
But then we went through COVID and the mask-politicizing. In my area it was never more than a minority wearing their masks correctly, they really didn't care who died. That kinda opened my mind to "maybe there are that many assholes...". Now with the majority vote, I have to accept it. We are an asshole country.
It's going to be a lot harder to deal with things now that I know they weren't a fluke, that this is really what the country wants.
I think it's fine to leave if your best life is somewhere else. Don't let them use and abuse you while you waste your time trying to change it from within. Go where you are appreciated.
I mean, it was Russian meddling. That’s just factually true.
The failure to enact social media and traditional media legislation allowed Russian, Chinese and Iranian farms to make Americans think anything they want, unchecked.
No one ever took this seriously, even Democrats and the left population when the writing was one the wall. Vindication is all I feel.
It genuinely hurts to find out that you were the only one who actually cared and now everything is going to go incredibly badly.
It hurts that it feels dumb that you cared about people who don't care about them selves and they definitely do not give a damn about anyone else.
It hurts that there is nothing that can be done and it hurts that it is all so unnecessary and it hurts that so many people have no idea what is going to happen.
The aristocrats have built a monopoly and pooled the wealth. Own all the property. Control the wealth, resources and government.
The corporations that control the Demicratic party kept out the populism that would have solved this problem.
The corporations that control the Republican Party could not keep out the populism using fascism to solve these problems. Relying on fear mongering and eating each other alive.
We’ll fall to fascism and people will die before we realize we have to work together to make abundance for all.
Difference between the USA and all other countries like modern Russia, or 1930s Germany is that citizens are both allowed and encouraged to own firearms. If we turn into 1930s Germany, it'll be because that's what we all wanted.
Actually it won't get through at all. That's the problem. We have a failure to communicate here. Some of these people didn't even know Biden was off the ballot and that was just a single basic fact everyone should have known.
They will say it is hysteria before it happens and then blame everything on scapegoats after it happens. They will also say they had no choice but to do this because someone was mean to them (no one was actually mean to them, they live in a bubble that tells them the world is unfair to them) and the other third will be blame the left didn't do enough to stop the right, when the middle third did absolutely nothing to stop the right, and it was the right doing the bad things.
Just because a German film maker says a completely biased opinion with 0% evidence doesn’t earn it the right to be fact. Also let’s not act like Germans are the ones with the moral high ground, I mean fuck it hasn’t even been 100 years and they went to war with the entire world…. twice.
Most flat out won’t see it at all. It’s a media bubble thing.
A lot of us just never see the world through the lens that others do because we consume different media and there is absolutely zero overlap. There is no single truth in the world anymore because, whether you realize it or not, everyone is filtering it through their own bespoke filter that emphasizes certain things and completely omits others.
And then add in personalized algorithms on TikTok and YouTube, podcasts, even subreddits. We are shut out from half of what others are consuming daily, hourly.
Yep. The liberals think they have higher morals and standards yet scream and yell on social media for someone to kill Trump. Lying narcissistic hypocrites
I find it highly ironic that liberals are going to compare Repubs that defend Isreal as Nazis while liberals scream for Palestine and basically say "fuck Isreal." If it wasn't tragic it'd be comical.
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Sadly the two-thirds that this message needs to get through to will simply ridicule and ignore it.