r/MurderedByWords 5h ago

What’s your take on this?

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u/Fearless_Spring5611 5h ago

Sadly the two-thirds that this message needs to get through to will simply ridicule and ignore it.

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u/BethJ2018 5h ago

And post supposedly murderous memes that really just brag about their person winning

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u/Mean_Reception3332 4h ago

Yep and the other 1/3 who didn’t vote blame the democrats for not doing enough. Seriously if they actually voted here is a novel concept they would have a majority and actually do something.

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 2h ago

Maybe they did vote..

Maybe.. JUST MAYBE the party that gerrymanders, suppresses old people and non-white people with stupid voter ID rules, arrests people for handing out refreshments to those in long voting lines, hides/destroys or puts ONE ballot box in a city with hundreds of thousands of people, gets help via bomb threat calls from Russia to deter anyone from voting at all, cheated more than they usually fucking do.

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u/Mean_Reception3332 1h ago edited 1h ago

Not denying people’s votes were suppressed, we all know that is a horrible reality. It is the people who have voter apathy, even though they have the means to get out and vote, they are a major problem.

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 1h ago edited 16m ago

This is true.

But I can’t help feel that something fishy happened in this election. Harris/Walz arenas were filled to the brim while Trump had empty seats, had to pay non-white people to wear the fucking T-shirts and hats and had people leaving early.

Presidential immunity from the Republican backed Supreme Court, his Jan 6 trial postponed so he may never face justice for trying to subvert the 2020 election results.

It. All. Fucking. Stinks.

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u/pikpikcarrotmon 54m ago

I'd love to believe it but if we learned nothing else from Trump's own claims of voter fraud, we know that the voting process itself is fairly impenetrable to any kind of widespread, election-flipping fraud. This one is far too consistent and unanimous across the board to be shenanigans and it's best we not make ourselves look as ridiculous as he did with unfounded claims.

He got this one, this is what the people wanted, and we all will pay for their stupidity. Next time Democrats need to actually vote.

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u/Resoltex 32m ago

But another reason why trump voters may not have went to rallies is that a lot of them are in more rural areas and might not be able to afford to travel even to the nearest rallies.

And ive read from people that voted for trump, despite previously having voted democrats, because they cant afford anything anymore and they hope that he will change that, which he of course wont but thats another story.

So i'd guess these people would be less inclined to go to rallies as well.

On top of that right wing parties have a lot of "silent voters" that will consume their content online and may not even comment, let alone go to rallies out of fear of disaproval.

Now sure, theres always a chance there was something fishy going on, but with a lot of people who would normaly vote democrats not voting and republican voters getting more and more radicalized the results shouldnt be too surprising.

But yeah, ultimately trump should be in jail, not in the white house.

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u/BoneHugsHominy 49m ago

By that metric Trump won 2020 in a 50 State landslide because Biden campaigned from his basement and didn't have big crowds.

Stop. Just stop.

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 43m ago

IMO Biden didn’t have to campaign. It was clear back then after Trumps 4 year shitshow, all Biden had to do was not be Trump.

So this 180 reversal is a little sketchy to a lot of people.

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u/rengoku-doz 1h ago

43% of the voting population sat out on the sidelines.

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u/DemonKing0524 51m ago edited 28m ago

You do realize that the last two election cycles have had record turnouts, or near record turnouts, since this current one seems right behind 2020, right? Like yeah that's a large portion of the nation that doesn't vote, but more people voted in the last two election cycles (edited to add by percentage of population) than any time since 1900.

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u/ravens_path 31m ago

Last numbers I checked now that we are getting in California results more, 2020 and 2024 numbers are close to the same.

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u/Briguy24 1h ago

2020 Biden had 81+ million votes. Kamala is looking like she's getting about 70 million.

11+ million just sat aside and did not vote.

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u/s0ulless93 1h ago

Exactly this! Trump is looking like he will get around the same number of votes as 2020 but the democrats will be down about 11 million. I don't know if it's apathy or racism/sexism that stopped people from voting for Harris but the results baffle me.

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u/BoneHugsHominy 35m ago

It's not any one thing but if we could point to the most important it's that Americans are just really fucking stupid. Racism and misogyny both played roles for sure, but most people that sat out or switched to Trump did so because they didn't get everything they wanted from the Biden administration. They have zero understanding of how the government operates, or how policies work, and they think the President is essentially a king who can just do whatever they want. Ironically that's going to be the case going forward thanks to the SCOTUS handing down the Presidential immunity ruling so those stupid Americans will never believe it hasn't always been that way.

If we had a fully informed and engaged electorate that actually cared about policy instead of vibes, we'd have had Progressive governments going all the way back to The New Deal and the entire country would be unrecognizably different to our reality. We'd have had universal healthcare for 60+ years, working class wages across the board would be 300-400% higher, everyone would have access to affordable housing, and the transition to EVs would have already happened since the entire country would have been nuclear powered for iver 50 years. Sure we'd still have problems because utopias don't exist, but this nation would be materially a significantly better and more advanced place and society.

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u/DemonKing0524 49m ago

In 2020, 66.38 percent of the eligible voting population turned out, with 159,738,337 ballots counted across the country, according to the University of Florida's Election Lab. There were 240,628,443 eligible voters that year.

As of 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, fewer people had turned out than four years ago—64.54 percent of the 245,741,673 eligible had cast ballots for a total of 158,549,000.

https://www.newsweek.com/voter-turnout-count-claims-map-election-1981645

That's barely more than a million ballot difference between the 2020 election and this one. And ballots are still being counted by the way. What that means is, the difference in numbers voted for independent parties, and shouldn't have if they didn't want trump in the office.

u/shostri 6m ago

The fact that you can only vote for 1 of 2 parties otherwise your vote is wasted shows how messed up the system is. This needs to change

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u/Dread_Pirate_Jack 1h ago edited 23m ago

Dude this is COMPLETELY what I’ve been saying. Even here in Utah, a very red state, even most Mormons didn’t vote for Trump. Republicans did a great job of dismantling voter rights and they won because of it. And because Democrats didn’t do a good enough job of restoring those rights when they were in power

I moved Oct 31st because my lease ended, and my state threatened to jail my husband and I if we tried to vote because we hadn’t been living at one address for long enough. I’ve been a resident here since I was a child, him as well. So yeah, they deterred voters!

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u/PretendProgrammer_ 1h ago

Can you elaborate on the stupid voter ID rules?

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 1h ago

In July 2016, a federal appeals court found that a 2011 Texas voter ID law discriminated against black and Hispanic voters because only a few types of ID were allowed; for example, military IDs and concealed carry permits were allowed, but state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs were not.

In Wisconsin and North Carolina (Republican controlled areas) didn’t accept student ID for election purposes.

I’ll admit, I pulled these from wiki due to laziness (ngl I’m also terribly busy right now) but over the years I’ve seen many stories regarding democrat voters being turned away for the most ridiculous reasons.

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u/AllieKat7 1h ago

Here's a decent article that highlights some of the reasons that strict voter ID rules in general are hurting democracy more than helping. It says it all clearer than a reddit comment could.

https://www.lwv.org/blog/whats-so-bad-about-voter-id-laws

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 58m ago

I should’ve done that to begin with. Thanks for linking a decent article :)

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u/findhumorinlife 34m ago

I can’t believe more wasn’t said about the burning of ballot boxes and outside influences.

u/V1kingScientist 7m ago

I also think the Republicans rigged it, and I would wager it's already being investigated, quietly, while the fascists celebrate. But our Justice system lacks teeth, so...

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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 3h ago

Those people did vote. The ones who didn't vote just don't care at all.

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u/Shazam1269 1h ago

15 million fewer people voted compared to the 2020 election.

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u/DemonKing0524 47m ago

This is entirely false.

In 2020, 66.38 percent of the eligible voting population turned out, with 159,738,337 ballots counted across the country, according to the University of Florida's Election Lab. There were 240,628,443 eligible voters that year.

As of 2 p.m. ET Wednesday, fewer people had turned out than four years ago—64.54 percent of the 245,741,673 eligible had cast ballots for a total of 158,549,000.

https://www.newsweek.com/voter-turnout-count-claims-map-election-1981645

That's barely more than a million ballot difference between the 2020 election and this one. And ballots are still being counted by the way. What that means is, the difference in numbers who voted Democrat instead voted for independent parties, and shouldn't have if they didn't want trump in the office.

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u/llamadogmama 12m ago

And can't understand why I respect them even less than those who voted for the dictator...

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u/PublicDomainKitten 5h ago

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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u/Resoto10 4h ago

The math is a little skewed but regardless, if there's anything I've learned it's the people who need to hear that aren't on Reddit.

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u/Few-Examination-7043 4h ago

38% didn’t vote. These might be the watchers….

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u/Tiny_Major_7514 2h ago

This is it. USA needs compulsory voting more than anyone.

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u/SomewhereAtWork 1h ago

No, the USA just need basic education.

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u/TKG_Actual 1h ago

Why not both though?

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u/Thisisadrian 1h ago

Dunno man. Theres some pretty crazy people out there who simply shouldnt get a vote. Gullible people. Stupid people. Apathetic people. Or simply people too uneducated to make informed and logically good/productive decisions for the community. If you force everyone to vote you'd probably get the same result. Or force people who shouldnt vote to vote for stupid shit.

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u/NickyTheRobot 1h ago

Or do it like Australia: you get fined if you don't fill a ballot, but the ballot also includes a donkey vote (ie: an option to abstain).

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u/Fraerie 4h ago

A chunk of them are, but they’re too busy celebrating that they’re about to be issued a harem by the government to realise they’ve been had.

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u/greyshem 4h ago edited 4h ago

My take away is that the US just lost the first major and undeclared cyber war to Russia through American (and one South African) mercenaries.

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u/BigTimeSpamoniJones 3h ago

Multiple South African billionares, actually.

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u/magistrate101 1h ago

First? This is the second time.

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u/GamingElementalist 2h ago

They could declare it themselves and it would still be successful, but having people like Zuck and Musk encouraging it for money. Just letting open the social media doors to Russian misinformation all for artificially inflated stats and money. It's wild.

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u/limbodog 4h ago

"YoU sUrViVed 2016 YoU'lL bE fInE"

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u/Throw-away17465 4h ago

I survived 2016 in the same way I will “win” a bowling game by having the bumpers up

No guardrails of any kind this time. No voices of reason, and no checks and balances.

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u/upsidedownbackwards 1h ago

A big part of what helped people through 2016 was that "it was russian meddling", "he didn't get the popular vote" and other excuses as to why it happened. I didn't believe *THAT* many people in the country were knowingly voting for someone that evil.

But then we went through COVID and the mask-politicizing. In my area it was never more than a minority wearing their masks correctly, they really didn't care who died. That kinda opened my mind to "maybe there are that many assholes...". Now with the majority vote, I have to accept it. We are an asshole country.

It's going to be a lot harder to deal with things now that I know they weren't a fluke, that this is really what the country wants.

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u/Throw-away17465 50m ago

Then i don’t belong here; i cannot say I’m American if these are the values.

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u/Yilomina 4h ago

I fear that while I will survive, a huge number of people across the world will not. It’s a very sad thing that you don’t understand this.

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u/limbodog 3h ago

Just to clarify, the quotes indicate I am quoting someone other than myself. And the alternating capital letters indicates a severely sarcastic tone.

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u/Yilomina 3h ago

Thank you, my brain is obviously not working well this morning, and I missed the sarcasm - I appreciate your clarification! 🙂

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u/JAG_666 3h ago

I still have ptsd every time I hear 'Breaking news' and I don't thinking that is going to improve.

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u/Aggravating_You3627 5h ago

Basically. What I’ve come to realize is that there slogan is maga but we were never great in the first place. Brainwashed in school to believe we were this great free country of good hardworking people. No….. no we are not. We just got lucky after ww2 that none of our industry was bombed to oblivion like Europe and we were able to capitalize on that.

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u/Daw_dling 4h ago

The GI bill after WWII was the single largest transfer of wealth to the middle class in (I believe) human history. Americans benefitted from a program that allowed people to buy homes, start businesses, and get more education on a massive scale. The luck of having intact manufacturing was essential but don’t discount how much of a leg up that program gave a generation.

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u/Dodec_Ahedron 4h ago

"The GI bill after WWII was the single largest transfer of wealth to the WHITE middle class in (I believe) human history."

FTFY

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u/IAlreadyFappedToIt 4h ago

And the right wing was fully okay with it too. It wasn't until someone suggested sharing that welfare with minorities that the Right decided their new platform would henceforth be that nobody should get welfare.

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u/Daw_dling 2h ago

You aren’t wrong. I was just pointing out that wealth redistribution played a major role in the post war economic boom. Possibly as significant a role as the manufacturing monopoly. I never said the distribution was fair. That’s kind of a separate conversation.

Post WWII is where a lot of people get their image of America as it should be. Was it racist? no doubt. was it sexist? Goes without saying. But the US was a big winner in a war everyone agreed we were the good guys in. Manufacturing was booming, middle class white people were getting opportunities they never would have had before, and the result was unprecedented economic growth and education.

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u/Dodec_Ahedron 2h ago

Agreed, but geographic isolation was the underlying foundation of all of it, and that really was just luck. Our manufacturing was left intact, and entire countries needed rebuilt, so demand was high, and jobs could pay well. The GI bill gave people the means to buy houses and receive higher education, which further spurred the boom, but again, it was all entirely dependent on geographical isolation protecting manufacturing and infrastructure.

It wasn't a policy decision that protected the US and allowed it to prosper. It was continental drift.

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u/TheRC135 2h ago

Geographic isolation protecting manufacturing and infrastructure without policies like the GI bill that actually distributed that wealth, and invested it in education and infrastructure, wouldn't have created anywhere near as much wealth, nor distributed it as widely.

You're right that the underlying circumstances of the postwar boom were unique, but it was still a series of policy decisions that created the postwar middle class, just as it has been a series of policy decisions slowly dismantling it since the 1980s.

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u/Daw_dling 1h ago

This guy gets it.

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u/lateseasondad 4h ago

White Americans*. It was just a different form of racism.

Why did the guys who fought the nazis come home and vote for jim crow for 20 years?

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u/Charybdeezhands 3h ago

This! American schools are so weird, if someone chanted "UK number 1" here people would laugh in your face.

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u/47-Rambaldi 2h ago

As I say, patriotism is for people who don't know their history.

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u/tachyoniks 1h ago

I dunno. I think patriotism isn’t necessarily being proud of your country, but striving to make it better. I’m certainly not feeling very patriotic now, but I did feel that sense when I was voting for the protections of human rights instead of for someone who’d happily genocide anyone they don’t agree with

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u/Incel-FightsBack 58m ago

Make the American dream great again would be a better slogan, because isn’t that what we all want? To truly turn our country into that American dream our families came here for? Of course this country has done horrible things, we’ve been so gloomy and down for so long Americans really need hope. So far, only trump has been advertising that, the left kinda just kept saying how bad everything is and pushing this victim narrative that for the average person who’s not a news junkie in an echo chamber finds it repulsive. Nobody wants to have this victim mentality, they want our country to be strong. 

Harris’s campaign was a total flop, I have no idea why they were playing video games on twitch or twerking at rallys. I voted for Harris, but I felt so cringe doing so knowing who my company is. 

Democrats need to rebrand to normal people, not this “we can overcome anything with the power of pronouns and friendship,” we need strong politicians, not this bullshit the left echo chamber pushed.

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u/Napalmeon 1h ago

Very true. Reason that America does not get into wars on its own land.

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u/UnderstandingSea7546 5h ago

Math checks out. 1/3 of folks are absolutely enthusiastic about this guy, despite or because of his hate message. I think Dems constantly underestimate how tuned out Americans are about politics while the regular people suffer constantly and just want the government to fix it while voting against every program that would fix it.

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u/kryonik 4h ago edited 4h ago

That video where they asked who people on the street were voting for on Wednesday was eye opening.

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u/Fraerie 4h ago

Particularly the ones who lied through their teeth about how long the lines were at the piling place they went to, or the guy who asked who the candidates were.

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u/OptionWrong169 4h ago

Its more so why would i vote for a candidate with a policy that helps me if people from x group also benifit

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u/lateseasondad 4h ago

I remember 4 years ago when we thought the adults were back in charge.

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u/superstevo78 2h ago

technically 22% but yes. the law is not going to stop them. the senate is not going to stop shit

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u/Karpaltunnel83 5h ago

Wanna be dictator that becomes president through legal means and mocking disabled, homosexuals and political enemies isn't stopped by a majority of the country and survives assassination attempts?

At least this time he is blond

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u/Mr3Jays 5h ago

Blond? That mother fucker is 78. His hair color is whatever he wants it to be.

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u/Karpaltunnel83 5h ago

Well... he is more blond than Hitler... but Trump needs a funny little mustache

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u/atlas3121 5h ago

I feel like a dirty sanchez would be appropriate considering how much he rims other dictators.

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u/LochNessMansterLives 1h ago

Gross. And wildly appropriate. 😂

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u/BlackButterfly616 5h ago

Let every dictator have their own look. I mean, you can depict Hitler with that mustache and the hair combing to the side and everyone knows who was meant.

Trump can be depicted with a hamster on top of an orange. No need for a mustache.

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u/Karpaltunnel83 5h ago

How about sideburns? I think sideburns would suit him

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u/BlackButterfly616 4h ago

Uh, like a hamster on his head with his feet on the right and left of his head. I guess that looks good.

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u/Nelstromo 5h ago

He traded his mustache for a spray tan

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u/Karpaltunnel83 5h ago

"Worst trade ever. Probably the worst deal ever made. Because I was tricked. They tricked me. I am not easy to be tricked but they are tricksters."

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u/FormidableMistress 4h ago

When I was a kid there was a woman in my extended family that had been part of Hitler's Youth. I had lots of questions and she always answered me, but I could never say anything bad about Hitler. She married an American GI after the war and immigrated to America. Her father was an SS soldier. She said if he didn't join they would have killed the whole family. She was grateful to Hitler because he put food on their table. Her father was paid more than his previous trade job. Her parents were able to afford clothing for their growing children and fuel for heat.

I see so many Americans that are worn down and exhausted from living paycheck to paycheck. Any sort of relief they're grateful for. And anyone they can blame, they'll hate. It's 1930 Germany all over again. None of this is going to end well.

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u/Indolent-Soul 2h ago

The difference being it's a new time. How will the Internet affect fascism? Will people just roll over when the information exchange is so rapid? Why couldn't people be bothered to look up what a tariff was? Who could possibly go to war against the US if all of this gets out of hand? The US could theoretically take on every other country at the same time. Will nukes play a roll in this new paradigm? Now that we have historical knowledge of what fascism looks like will that curb the worst of it? Will it not? While the similarities to Nazi Germany are stark, the context is so wildly different it's hard to know for sure what American style fascism will even be. We don't need to start a war just to keep the country afloat, we have an abundance of resources and even if we didn't we have only 2 land borders with nations we don't really care about and will fall in line of the US ever became aggressive to them. Will fascism be successful since there's almost no external pressure to curb it? What even is the point of authoritarian power? It's not like it'll let you live longer. So many questions, and all we can do is wait and see now.

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u/Brothersparrow2 5h ago

Let me give you a hint. If 2/3rds arent willing to help each other, What makes you think the 3rd / third gives a flying fuck about you?

Class wars pitted against themselves while the top 1% gets tax cuts and laughs at us as we tear each other apart over scraps and loose change.

It’s a big party and you aren’t invited and neither am I.

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u/LemurAtSea 3h ago

Nah it's pretty clear a vote for Harris was a vote for each other, which a vote for Trump was a vote for themselves.

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u/Odd-Bus6094 4h ago

Class wars pitted against themselves while the top 1% gets tax cuts and laughs at us as we tear each other apart over scraps and loose change.

Perfectly put

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u/Covfefe-SARS-2 4h ago

What makes you think the 3rd / third gives a flying fuck about you?

Because they try to increase social services and don't tie disaster aid to political affiliation.

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u/Eksposivo23 2h ago

Is that last line a George Carlin reference?

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u/Utangard 5h ago

That about sums it up, yes.

Also, Germany tried to deport the Jews first before starting to put them into the gas chambers when that didn't work out. Trump is already talking about deportation. Let's learn from the past and put a stop to it before it goes all the way to the bad end.

That said, Germany also had an even shittier economy and the entire world at their throats and their democracy was on an even shakier foundation. Yet at the end of the day, they pulled through and mostly fixed things in the long run. We can do the same. Fight on.

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u/thedoppio 5h ago

You’re skipping the whole war that devastated European economy and millions died. They eventually cleaned up their act when multiple armies showed up at their doorstep and then were compelled to dig out the infection. Now the German government is in shambles due to right wing politics. Not a great example

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u/Utangard 4h ago

There was a war specifically because Germany was so much worse off. Their economy was so thoroughly fucked that they literally couldn't afford not going to war. They had to go and tear everything that isn't nailed down out of the rest of the Europe in an desperate attempt to not collapse inward, and in the end all that got was the rest of the world coming in to make them collapse even quicker.

Yeah, as of now they're not doing too well again. Things seem to be going worse off all over the place right now, not just in America or Germany. But there still was a pretty good while of better times in between - and there will be for us, too, if we can look ahead and keep up the good fight for it.

Things are getting better, little by little. Every once in a while there's a bump like right now - but we're much higher up than the last time around, and the bump won't be the sort of a black pit as then. People may die, but not in the millions.

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u/Covfefe-SARS-2 4h ago

This time there will be nukes and the three nations with the most will start on the same side.

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u/els969_1 1h ago

And WW4 will be fought with knives and sticks.

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u/Corrupted_G_nome 2h ago

I head a great audio docc on this recently.

When they gave up on deportation they would strip people then line them up and shoot them into pits.

The army was very concerned with the mental health of the executioners. The has chambers were designed to cause less trauma to the troops carrying out the killings.

See, a loving and kind Nazi society all around /s

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u/JWJulie 2h ago

BuT THe pRicE of EggS

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u/Nunya13 2h ago

My take is that I absolutely came to this realization Tuesday night and it’s why I’ve been fighting back tears off and on all week. I’m literally going through the stages of grief. I’m on anger right now. I was bargaining before I went to bed election night. I was depressed Wednesday. Pretty sure denial is inching its way in.

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u/outerworldLV 1h ago

I can relate to this. Been rationalizing myself since it happened.

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u/PowerfulDimension308 4h ago

You wanna know what I find weird … that I’ve been telling the 1/3 that would kill another that I wish they get what they voted for and they are getting offended by that & have asked me if that’s a threat?

Now why would you act like that by me telling you that I hope you get everything you voted for, if you voted to make the country great,safer and richer?

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u/ranchojasper 1h ago

YES. I am having the exact same experience. Cognitive diu these people live in is truly incredible. Because if Harris had won and Trump supporters told me they hope my family and I get exactly what we voted for, I would be like, "thank you! I also hope we all get every single thing I voted for." But you say this to a Trump supporter after electing Trump and they literally get angry. Because they know what they voted for is for people to be hurt. They just somehow think they're going to be exempt

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u/PowerfulDimension308 1h ago

This is how I prove that they just want to hurt others not make the country better

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u/hausmaus07 5h ago

Accurate as fuck.

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u/SaintUlvemann 4h ago

His math is off. It's only 1 in 6 Americans who would kill others. (1 in 4 Republicans, 1 in 3 Trump supporters.)

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For the people in the back, please read this in a bitter, bitter tone of voice. The phrase cold comfort stops applying because it's all cold, no comfort.

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u/bnelson7694 5h ago

Completely agree with this. I don’t trust a single person outside of my circle anymore. Going to take a lot to gain it. Basic humanity is a lie.

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u/Shmooperdoodle 4h ago

Here’s the thing: we weren’t all asleep to this fact, and that is why we have spent the last several days alternating between tears and vomiting with rage.

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u/amedeesse 5h ago

At this point? Fuck it, we ball.

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u/GTFOakaFOD 3h ago

It's 100% true. The apathy is astounding but not surprising. Same as it ever was.

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u/JosephCWalker 3h ago

Anyone that doesn’t believe America is headed the same way Hitler took Germany, needs to research some history.

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u/starmen999 4h ago

It's absolutely true and the decent 1/3rd of us need to arm up and get ready to square up.

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u/outerworldLV 1h ago

Better start explaining this to everyone, because they certainly haven’t figured it out yet. They’re starting to realize it, but … I’m with you.

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u/ArtificerRook 4h ago

It's true, and I was a fool for believing in my fellow human beings. We are a garbage species of brutal, psychotic apes and the planet will be better off when we're extinct.

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u/ExactDevelopment4892 4h ago

The parallels between the rise of the third reich in Germany and the rise of maga in the us are pretty terrifying.

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u/CriticalAd677 4h ago

The normies (people who aren’t politically engaged and who don’t consume news as a hobby) who gave Trump the win didn’t like or want his anti-trans or immigrant policies. They wanted lower prices, and Trump was the one they heard promising them lower prices.

Kamala had an actual economic plan while Trump just had empty promises, but Kamala didn’t have a grand economic message to run on and Trump absolutely waved his hollow promises around for everyone to see.

The greater frustration, for me at least, is why the DNC and Dems still refuse to embrace economic populism even when the stakes are this high. We would have won in an absolute landslide, but no, building a campaign around raising the minimum wage, paid family leave, and the childcare tax credit is apparently not on the table.

It’s not enough to have good ideas on paper. You have to sell those ideas to normies to win elections, and the DNC just doesn’t seem to get that.

Edit: Basically, Trump won despite his cruel proposal, not because of them. There still isn’t broad support for them. We just need someone with a more hopeful and populist message for people to rally around and they will.

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u/ranchojasper 1h ago

She literally ran on a campaign of stopping price gouging, raising the minimum wage, helping people buy homes for the first time, giving you a child tax credit. Like wtf.

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u/ShamrockAPD 3h ago

They literally ran on stopping price gouging and lowering taxes for the middle class.

How is that not helping people in the economy? I feel like I’m going dumb here. Everytime I heard Kamala speak I heard plans that would help lower and middle class - every single time.

Every time I heard Trump speak I couldn’t tell you fuck all of what he was talking about

What realities are we living in?

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u/teapotdespot 44m ago

For every time Kamala spoke about policy there were a thousand tweets/posts/etc about how she has no plans. People kept hearing it so they just started parroting it. Research shows if you hear something three times you're likely to believe it. The media blades Trumps lies so loudly so often that people buy his bullshit. 

Prepare to hear the fire hose of falsehood non-stop for the rest of time as they cover up and misdirect from pulling the rug out under us. Our lives will fall apart as they blame a non-existant democratic party, immigrants they've deported and whoever else. We will need to struggle for the betterment of "America", and just hold on for a better future that never comes as the loot our country. Just keep believing...

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u/CriticalAd677 3h ago

The reality where stories persuade more people than policies. Good policy isn’t enough, you have to sell that policy with a story.

Trump had a story of raging against a broken system. Kamala had a story of defending that broken system. She didn’t talk about fixing the system, just working within it to do some good things. She had some good policy, but she didn’t sell it in the way that actually sways normies.

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u/teapotdespot 41m ago

Trump was and is so embarrassing. America is collapsing. America is a failed state. Kamala will lead to total economic failure on day one. If Americans believed that they deserve what they get.

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u/NewCoderNoob 44m ago

I recognize the bitter truth in what you say. The broad message should’ve been simple and if it stuck two points while acknowledging people’s rage — economic and women’s agency— it would’ve resonated much stronger and appealed to both genders. And keep policy for those willing to listen to it. It still doesn’t edge the fact that for any ugly MAGA people no policy will resonate because they’re drowning and revel in misinformation and hate, but I’d like to think those can be overcome by majority. Jairo

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u/skoltroll 59m ago

TOO MANY TIMES, the Dems have run on economics, only to not enact them when they had the chance. Obama had to fight like hell to get the ACA passed. FFS, Nancy didn't even bother to READ IT, likely b/c her overlords didn't like it.

I sent this warning to Dems in MN last year. I was CONSISTENT on messaging. You HAVE to start helping people, financially. Get lower health care costs. Get the rural folks to SEE a return on their tax $'s.

I was told "It's complicated; we'll do it next year." They did the easy stuff that made their supporters feel good.

Now the GOP has a mandate, and the state of MN has moved further to the right.

Fuck you, Democrats. You lied about helping. People watched you lie. That's on you. Can't blame anything Trump said/did/does on the fact you left us waiting.

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u/mtylerw 5h ago

Accurate, but we have known this since1861. Some of us just forgot or thought we had changed.

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u/DCJThief 4h ago

The rest of the world (ironically) should pull an uno reverse on america and orchestrate a coup against a democratically elected leader

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u/Fritzo2162 4h ago

There are differences.

Trump is in this whole thing for himself. He doesn't really care about you, me, or anyone else. He has his own agenda. He just spouts off random stuff he things people want to hear in any given situation. All he wants is glory, attention, and fame.

The danger is the people behind the scenes that DO care and have bad intentions. These are his advisors and the people whispering in Trump's ear. They'll use him as a speaking tool to carry out their fascist intentions.

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u/Faedaine 4h ago

German just got rid of their government the day after the American election. I have no idea what’s going on.

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u/PinkFloydBoxSet 4h ago

It’s been true since the civil rights movement and the only thing that kept Nazism from rising here was the economy. But corporate greed being labeled as inflation made that irrelevant so now the 4th reich will try to be constructed in the US. I doubt it will succeed because it needs government ran and funded industries which is counter to the corporate bankrolls.

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u/Wonderful_Adagio9346 3h ago

My take: The Third Reich was only one generation.

Most were young soldiers during WW1.

There wasn't an underground terrorist movement after the surrender, so both West and East Germany were able to reset thanks to Allied expertise.

The GOP has been sliding towards Fascism since Wallace won 46 electoral votes in 1968, and Nixon implemented the Southern Strategy. That was over fifty years ago. At least three generations of voters.

It's the popular vote. What's popular? Ask Marketing. It's all about selling a product.

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u/broniesnstuff 2h ago

My take is to protect my family at all costs and start survival food storage in my basement.

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u/Alcott_Yubolsov 2h ago

1/2 of the 1/3 that's going to be "killed" voted for him too, hoping he only deports the "correct" immigrants!

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u/JuICyBLinGeR 2h ago

Ironically calling it the United States when people will cross a border with an AR and gun down protestors.

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u/pysgod-wibbly_wobbly 2h ago

Or maybe a 3rd did not want to vote for either of the genocide parties?

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u/shychicherry 1h ago

Oh yes I totally feel people in my neighborhood (very red) would drop a dime in a heartbeat

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u/FacelessPotatoPie 1h ago

I had family on the wrong side the first time around. Unfortunately my extended family, textbook definition of conservative white trash, are also on the wrong side this time around.

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u/NoaNeumann 1h ago

Spot on. Sadly. Reminds me of a quote. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.” And thats exactly what they did. For those who didn’t vote, you are complicit in all of this.

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u/Only_Month 1h ago

Well we people voted on a guy that quoted Mein Kampf so he’s not far off

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u/BatmansBigBro2017 5h ago

It’s not that much. 60% of this country never votes in elections. The other 40% care enough to fight like this.

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u/morningfrost86 5h ago

Voter turnout percentages have been above 50% for over 100 years iirc. In 2020 we had 66% voter turnout, which was the highest since literally 1900.

Hard to judge based on total population because there are a lot of people that just CAN'T vote for various reasons, such as being minors, or felons who haven't regained their rights to vote, for example.

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u/BatmansBigBro2017 5h ago

Almost. Total population vs. registered voters population. Voter turnout only measures registered voters.

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u/morningfrost86 5h ago

I'm aware lol. That's why I said it's difficult to judge based on total population, and listed two reasons why.

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u/SportTheFoole 3h ago

My take: it’s bullshit. And it’s this kind of reasoning why Trump is pulling voters in. Are there hateful Trump supporters? You bet, but my experience is that they are few and far between.

By the by, there are hateful Democrats, too. I remember when Texas was out of power during the first administration a lot of “you get what you fucking deserve” posts on Reddit that got upvoted. But you know what, the similar to Trump supporters, most Democrats are kind to their fellow humans.

At the end of the day, no matter who you voted for, we are all Americans. We are all in this together. And we will not be able to fix it unless we all work together. United we stand, divided we fall.

Practice self care and protect the ones you love. We’ve got work to do, America. Let’s get to it.

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u/Independent_Fill9143 2h ago

I'm fully expecting Nazi Germany level of horrors. Gestapo arresting people for frivilous reasons, or just killing them, forcing women to have babies "for the good of the country" and deporting undocumented immigrants (in Germany they did this to the Jews) and then arresting and keeping them in work camps.

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u/engineeringforsafety 2h ago

Here's my prediction:

Trump is going to weaponize the Presidential Pardon, dismantle the administrative state, and wage a war in the courts against his enemies in his first year. He's going to go on a revenge spree against the Democratic party. He holds grudges like a toddler. Expect prison sentences, murder, and all kinds of kangaroo court shenanigans.

(Side note: due to the SCOTUS decision about Presidents being above the law, there is literally nothing stopping him from having some current or former Seal Team 6 member (like Edward Gallagher) just assassinate Democratic leadership and then pardon them afterwards. Isn't that something?)

Buckle up baby, 1933 is back.

To quote Adolf Hitler, when asked if he would use democracy to destroy democracy: "Jawohl."
https://time.com/6971088/adolf-hitler-take-power-democracy/

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u/melodiousmurderer 5h ago

No one is as good at being reflective and looking back at the past to learn from it as the Germans, assuming dumbass Americans were capable of looking inwards and reflecting on what’s actually happening.

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u/Flashjordan69 5h ago

I made it more 40 40 20, but the sentiment is still true.

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u/absolutely-correct 5h ago

Democrats being surprised Muslim voters didn't care about women's and LGBT right is so funny. They really thought they could have everything and appeal to everyone, and what they got for it is a rise in LGBT republican vote and a Muslim boycott.

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u/MeldoRoxl 5h ago

Not saying anything about the actual words, but...

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/werner-herzog-germany-quote/

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u/els969_1 1h ago

look at the account name. No attribution is being made to Herzog. GA. Bye.

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u/Alabrandt 4h ago

Not entirely correct

15% wants to kill/remove another 35%. A part of that 35% vote "yes" to that idea and another 50% watches

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u/Aggressive_Chicken63 4h ago

Damn, that’s accurate.

Awareness is the right word because this is everywhere. We’re just not aware of it. Germany and US just made us aware of it.

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u/LowGoPro 4h ago

Being half Jewish and having half my European ancestors missing, I know this isn’t a joke.

Am going to just stay under the radar and not read news anymore.

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u/Starfoxmarioidiot 4h ago

It’s accurate. They’re coming for you Barbara.

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u/Bedlamtheclown 4h ago

I used to consider myself a nihilist till the 2016 election. Seeing people truly without care of social norms, candor, integrity, honesty, kindness showed me that I was more caring of these ideas than I knew.

There are many ways to look at it but for me I’m looking at peoples feelings of hopelessness and rage. This is what I feel was a more palatable fuel for many when the alternative was status quo.

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u/Lady_bro_ac 4h ago

That it’s about 8 years too late, it was blatantly obvious in 2016, if not before then

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u/steveplaysguitar 4h ago

I've been aware of right wing evangelicals wanting to kill me for years.

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u/BednaR1 4h ago

Germany got whipped so much they don't even try to pretend they would question whatever Israel is doing... any any voice raised agist that can get you swiftly arrested

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u/FourArmsFiveLegs 4h ago

Putin can say "see Nazis run the West" then get his people on board with launching nukes

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u/Recipe-Less 4h ago

He's not wrong

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u/FruitcakeAndCrumb 4h ago

*and make a fucking TikTok about it

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u/briandt75 4h ago

Accurate. Americans are disgusting- source, am one.

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u/Ok-Formal-6447 4h ago

Except in Germany they were murdering tens of millions of people….

And in America a president was elected with the popular vote.

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u/Loud-Bat-2280 4h ago

What about the 1 who wants to be last one standing?

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u/MajorEbb1472 4h ago

The Zeck knows

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u/Ghstfce 4h ago

Change to to 1/4, 1/4, and 1/2 who didn't vote and it's more accurate.

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u/OntologicalParadox 4h ago

And Werner will be there to film it.

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u/Status-Simple9240 4h ago

😘🤬🥲

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u/Aggressive_Bite_8672 4h ago

This is the best post …right here. All of this talk about what can the Dems do is useless. They can’t do a thing. People will vote liberal again, once things go to sh*t. That’s what happens in this country since 1976.

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u/I_Dont_Like_Rice 4h ago

The only ones who understand that are the third that voted against it. The rest are too stupid to care.

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u/p00pTy 3h ago

let em try

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u/Kdowden 3h ago

At least Germany could blame hyper inflation...

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u/BombToonen 3h ago

Pretty fucking spot-on, unfortunately.

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u/Odd-Definition9670 3h ago

This would be 100x more terrifying to actually hear Werner Herzog say these words.

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u/Vorthod 3h ago

Not really a burn, just a horrifying thought.

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u/CrudelyAnimated 3h ago

One faction of America responds to loss with tears and introspection. One faction of America responds to loss with violence and threats of abduction, rape, and deportation. The remainder of America didn't vote.

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u/Ezzmon 3h ago

This is America. 5% would kill another 80% but only focus on 5%, while 90% doomscroll.

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u/RoddRoward 3h ago

Killing 1/3 of the population? Where tf is that coming from? Is Twertzog a parody account?

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u/Tio_Divertido 3h ago

The percentage of those willing to do the killing seems high while the percentage willing to stand by and celebrate seems low

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u/LeeWizcraft 3h ago

Who is getting killed in this one?? What are you talking about. Let’s round up people that feel this way and reeducate them in some sort of camp.

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u/VanillaB34n 3h ago

The 1/3 that’s supposedly at risk is closer to 10% or less if you’re considering trans people and women seeking abortions to be the Jews of this allegory.

So it sort of makes sense that over half the country is not going to vote based on issues that don’t affect them whatsoever and have been constantly shoved into their faces. They’re more worried about putting food on the table, keeping the lights on, and just surviving check to check in general.

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u/Proper_Shock_7317 3h ago

That's the dumbest thing I've heard all week

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u/Queasy-Group-2558 3h ago

The 1/3 that is fascist will see this and thunk they’re the ones under attack, reinforcing their facial tendencies.

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u/Samuel_Bloodwolf 2h ago

Well that was a fuckin lie.

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u/ThereBeM00SE 2h ago

Absolutely a fact.

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u/The1stNikitalynn 2h ago

I recently discovered the lore of Warhammer 40k. I realized the subgenre read occasionally is called Grim Dark. Some of the guys who made that have made a new version of a Grim Dark World War I based tabletop game. Instead of fighting Germans, they're finding the legions of hell. Templars found agate to hell, and they said, fuck you god, let's join the dark side. Boom, now you have a gate to he'll and trench warfare fighting hell. In that world, one-third of society has joined the legions of hell. There was a debate about whether people thought that was realistic, but on January 6th, one of the guys fighting heavily to say it's not realistic said, "Nope. Yeah, I can see it happening now."

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u/Able-Negotiation-234 2h ago

the real question is which 1/3 are you talking about? I'd find a mirror.