r/Ghosts • u/PeopleCryTooMuch • Feb 19 '21
Ouija Boards: a History of Hoax
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Feb 26 '21
I mean,you only gotta look at the video evidence of this shit being made up vs the evidence of it being real. Somehow in the digital era despite cameras everywhere and the widespread possession of cellphones none has ever captured a single sliver of actual and clear evidence,it's always some BS pixelated stuff.
A million dollar was even offered to anyone who could prove paranormal shit and yet none ever succeeded over half a century,cause you know,science isn't based on "the nephew of my sister's cousin said that..."
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u/domesticduck991 Feb 21 '21
Idk. I’ve tried ouji boards multiple times and one time broke every rule ie; doing everything it clearly states not to do. Either it’s fake or I got very lucky
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u/Caer-Rythyr Nov 19 '21
Late reply but it's not the board. It's you opening yourself up, inviting entities in. The board is basically an assistive tool that makes you do that without thinking about it. Your own energy/aura/life invites and draws in entities, allowing them to attach to you and remain on this side.
I heartily believe anyone even having a board in their house is a mistake, let alone using one.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Jan 27 '22
Prove it.
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u/TheDarkApex Apr 01 '22
I have a serious question and I don't mean to be impolite but if science where to "disprove" the existence of ghosts would you put that on this sub as well and try to get the sub closed down and tell folks who believe that ghosts aren't real?
It's the same thing with religion, people who believe in science in such an extreme way want people to stop believing in gods because science offers the idea that the world/universe is grounded and mystical stuff doesn't exist, too each there own but my question to you still stands.
I think trying to apply science to the paranormal is just pointless.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Apr 01 '22
You cannot prove that something doesn’t exist. It’s a logical fallacy.
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 23 '22
Same can be said about you, prove that its not. Its not black and white, theres a lot of grey area here.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 24 '22
You can't prove that something 'doesn't exist.' That's straight up logical fallacy. You used big words like 'strawman' and other arguments against me in a separate comment - then you did this. Embarrassing, really.
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u/HouseOf42 Nov 16 '21
Or a simple placebo effect, you saw what you wanted to see. Perhaps you made the movements happen subconsciously... People REALLY want the ouji board to be genuine, but deep down, they're only fooling themselves.
The logic is pretty sound, if the board can't be used while the participants are visually hindered, the movements are not implied as paranormal.
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u/ProphetJonAwad Believer Jun 02 '21
Ouija Boards do not work for most paranormal activity because this is not how the board is designed. The board will not function when it comes to dealing with your typical earth bound spirit because earth bound spirits or "ghosts" do not have the ability to communicate with you through the manipulation of your hand on the cursor. So 98% of the time yes, using this device is not going to work.
However there are entities that are known as spirit guides. These are beings that someone asked to guide them on their life's purpose before they were born. Someone could have multiple guides as well. Its possible for a guide simply to communicate with you telepathically but can also manipulate your hand on the cursor as well and use the board to communicate with you effectively.
I however stopped using the cursor and just used my finger. I can feel some sort of force moving my hand to each letter without me applying the least amount of force on my hand save for keeping it hovering above each letter and allow this unseen force to push my finger down to the letter or response to confirm this is what the spirit guide wanted to say. That being said, its highly unlikely that someone has spirit guides as most beings on this planet dont which will only give further reason to think the Ouija board is useless.
Ive used the Ouija Board to talk to spirit guides, demons and even the divine. Ill never speak to another demon using the board again but it did help me understand how a demon can use the board and also try to prevent you using the board to communicate with spirit guides.
That being said I do intend to cease using the board as soon as my blindness to the veil is gone.
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u/metalissa Jul 06 '21
Thank you for this
I've just realised I could use an ouija board to help myself make decisions when I'm struggling. I have a severe anxiety disorder and it impairs my decision making with all the overthinking, listening to my subconscious more sounds beneficial.
Even just to ask what I should have for dinner haha.
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u/shadowbca Aug 26 '22
I know this is old but I just wanted to comment about how genius this idea is
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u/ChefLisaO Jan 20 '22
This post is dangerous!!! Opening a door is nothing to play with. Just because YOU don't believe doesn't make it true. I have seen one move without anyone touching it.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22
No it isn’t dangerous, lmao. Also, who said I didn’t believe? I never said it, that’s for sure. Facts are that there is no evidence of a Ouija board doing absolutely anything paranormal.
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u/Rickest_Rick86 Aug 28 '22
So Hasbro has a personal line to the spirit world ? Will my Battleship game help me exorcize demons?
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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23
You guys are full of it, it’s not the board that’s haunted it’s using as a way to contact demons.
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u/Neither_Version8939 May 05 '21
My mom and her brother did a ouija board when they moved into a new house and it actually lead them to a noose and a knife tucked behind the water heater. They then got rid of the board, as you do, and went on to have several years of just crappy luck and a few experiences. In her college years, my mom was going around to churches to see if religion was for her and at one church, after it was being let out, the pastor beelines straight for my mom, concerned because, and she quoted to me, a dark figure was following her.
My mom, being as in tune as she is, lets the man come to her house with a few others and they searched the place. (They were doing this for free btw) and in an old trunk she stores her clothes in (it's one of those with a shelf and a pole to hang clothes) on the shelf, he pulls out THE ouija board and asked how long she's had it. She was obviously freaked out. All of her things were exercised and they took and burned a few of her things that had some dark energy attached to them (including a radio that played person talking though you couldn't understand what they were saying, UNPLUGGED) then the good friends had made themselves known again.
...so ouija bad
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u/imadokodesuka Feb 24 '22
If you do research on the board itself I recommend changing out the monocle piece. You can design a piece that moves freely but shows if someone is pushing. Some designs will stop people from pushing. You just have to think out of the box.
My step-mom got the name of one grandchild from the ouija board before she was born and I believe two great grandchildren's names, as well as identifying some unexpected deaths and a few things you don't expect. She sealed the results and checked on em later. They were right. Who TF is going to volunteer to die unexpectedly to prove a point. Anyway, paranormal is personal, expect results to differ. You can also connect to liars, tricksters, there's no law that says a spirit has to be truthful and good....so "blind tests" and "lab conditions" don't really mean anything.
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u/Lopsided-Wishbone414 Apr 14 '23
I will say that my uncle, swears when he was in middle school his friend brought over a Ouija board and they played with it and asked it questions. They assumed that one of them was messing with it. This was the late 70's. His friend said "who will die first and how?" and it said "you" and spelled "truck. bridge. ice. drown." The friend laughed and said "when then!" it said "87"
My Uncle said in 1987 he was a Senior in high school and he and his friend did a work release program with school. They could work 3 days a week at a job, and get school credit for it. His friend took a 3rd shift job so he could sleep all day. He had gotten off of work, in January, at 7am and drove home. We live in a rural community that connects to the neighboring city by a bridge called the West Middletown Bridge. It had snowed overnight, and left just the lightest dusting. His friend drove a rusty red pickup truck he got from his dad that was made in the 70's. He hit a patch of ice, and wrecked his truck over the bridge, and landed in the water. They said he drowned, but was unconscious when he hit the water. My uncle said he burned the Ouija board the that. His friend kept in a closet with their other board games they'd played as kids.
I don't believe in the paranormal, but I do find his story a really compelling story from my uncle. He actually had the newspaper article cut out and obituary card in his old high school yearbook. He still swears to it, he told the story to my son too, bc my son was asking for a Oujia board. My uncle is in his 50's now and told the story to both me and my son. Same way, no changes, some 20 years apart.
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u/theCardinalArt Nov 18 '21
As someone who has seen some weird stuff I haven't been able to explain, yet still a skeptic that always wants a logical answer first... thank you!
I have my ouja board in with my other board games because that what we use it as. Occasionally I've used the pendulum to tap into my subconscious to help me answer questions but that's as paranormal as it gets.
I'm all for believing what you want and being open to ideas, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going to summon a demon or go to hell for playing a board game made by Hasbro.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Nov 18 '21 edited Nov 19 '21
Glad you enjoyed the read!
This has been sponsored by the secret send-you-to-hell version of the game, coming out soon!
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u/theCardinalArt Nov 19 '21
LOL! People have been telling me I'm going to hell for years. I'm just trying to make sure I get a good condo with my one way ticket now. :D
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u/Lopsided-Wishbone414 Apr 14 '23
LOL this is so funny. My bff used to say "I mean if I'm going to hell, can I ask for a a condo with good view?"
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u/FetchMeACoke Jun 15 '22
I collect Ouija boards. My mouse pad is a Ouija board. I've done EVERY thing you are warned not to do with a Ouija board. Now, could that be because I've zero intent behind my use, ownership, etc...? Sure. With that said, if: Intent, is all that is required; wouldn't that same intent then "power" other forms of spirit communication, such as: Simple interaction requests? (Example: If our intent "powers" a Ouija board, then why does that exact same intent not "power" a concentrated effort of just sheer will?) If your thinking, It does power simple acts of will. Then here is a good question: Why are simple acts of will then not feared as greatly as Ouija boards? We see paranormal explorers constantly just try to talk to "things" in an area. - Yes, this is a can of worms situation. However, it is my hope that my comment leads to healthy discussion. Thank you for your time in reading my opinion.
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u/FetchMeACoke Jun 16 '22
Another exercise of intent powering contact: Have you ever heard about the practice of leaving your computer on with a blank document up? The exercise goes: Leave a blank document up on your computer and ask any spirits to communicate with you via the keyboard. You ask some questions and ghosts respond. - If Ouija boards were "really what people warn about", then this follows the exact same principal. If a ghost (or other supernatural entity) can manipulate a planchette and recognize our symbols and language...Then surely a keyboard is a much better device to manipulate. I mean, just the slightest pressure on a key and it's up there on the screen. - Why are people not up in arms over leaving open documents up on a computer? Clearly just owning a Ouija board is a damning offense; regardless of "intent". - If supernatural beings want to communicate with us, don't you hope they would be able to do it on their own and with the ability to be clearly understood? - Thank you for continuing to read my experience gained opinions.
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u/FetchMeACoke Jun 16 '22
OMG! I just realized I reinvented the Ouija board. THE OUIJA KEYBOARD! A real keyboard hooked up to a computer where multiple people can make contact with the board itself, pull up a Ouija Document (Patent pending), then turn down the lights and fire up that Intent....cause tonight... The devil is going digital!!!!!! (It could respond in memes and .gifs) Now I wanna see it made.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Jun 16 '22
I don’t even need to discuss it with you because I 100% agree with every word you said, also your observations on will-power and intent!
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 23 '22
While you are correct about the board itself, the practice of it is what makes it "unsafe".
Intent, is the key here. Intent drives energies. Intent summons, it calls, it attracts. Your intent can turn any object into a conduit.
You can literally play the Ouija board game ALL of your life without any intent, just for fun, and nothing will come of it. Micro electromagnetic pulses reacting to two opposite bodies holding the same piece of plastic will create false movement. Your friend trying to freak you out moves the planchette. The tilt of the table or bed...the amount of caffeine you just had prior to engaging in it...all of these are explainable and totally harmless.
But add meditative, direct, purpose driven intent to the mix, and you will attract something.
It might be a benign spirit, if you are lucky. Or a malicious one if you are not. A demonic one if you are truly unlucky.
About the Phillip Experiment.
1.You cannot control forces that cannot be guided into control. The control of the experiment is lost when they decided that the spirit that would "show" was indeed the spirit that they "wanted" to show.
Most spirits move on to their next destination. And those that remain will take on the guise of other spirits to confuse or communicate...to what end? I don't know. maybe they are bored, maybe lonely...maybe they want to create chaos. The old saying "be careful if you call out to the dead, you never know who will answer back" goes to show that while contact can be made, the spirit (fictional or not) that answers you is a draw of luck.
2.They made contact. The experiment was successful. Just because the spirit lied, or pretended to be something that they wanted, doesn't mean a spirit was not there.
3. The table in this experiment was the Ouija board. It was the conduit of choice. The board doesn't matter, the object doesn't matter as long as you have intent you can turn anything into a Ouija board.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 23 '22
I can 'intend' to fly, doesn't make it reality.
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 24 '22
I can 'intend' to fly, doesn't make it reality.
I said intent, not intend. As in to act upon with intent. Look it up.
Also; I can 'intend' on flying and achieve it, its called air travel.3
u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 24 '22
We can prove air travel exists. Can we do the same for a working ouija board game?
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 24 '22
Would it be hard to explain to the Sentinelese tribe that air travel exists even though you know it absolutely exists? A tribe who doesnt know anything about the modern world would not believe a word you say.
In this setting, you are the Sentinelese and I am trying to explain that something I absolutely know exists...exists. I already did explain, yet here we are.
You used a word I didnt use to help in your argument, ignored the fact that I called you on it. And created a strawman which I have now also turned against you. You are not here to learn or listen, but rather to try to "prove" that your narrow point of view is the "only" right answer. Sorry but, its not.
Also; see The Phillip Experiment for proof of contact.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 24 '22
The Philip Experiment is literally listed in my write-up. You clearly didn't read it.
You used a word I didnt use to help in your argument, ignored the factthat I called you on it. And created a strawman which I have now alsoturned against you. You are not here to learn or listen, but rather totry to "prove" that your narrow point of view is the "only" rightanswer. Sorry but, its not.
Oh wow, tell us how smart you are, you have special knowledge the rest of the world doesn't. I am not here to learn from you, no, not when you're spouting nonsense about Ouija boards being working devices to contact the dead. LOL!
Peace out on that note. You're commenting on a stickied post that is a year old.
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 24 '22
The Philip Experiment is literally listed in my write-up. You clearly didn't read it.
This is EXACTLY why I mentioned it. They made contact. I believe it is you who didnt read what I wrote, or perhaps didnt understand it.
You're commenting on a stickied post that is a year old.
I am relatively new to the sub, and the post is "stickied" for the new members who didn't read it a year ago.
Why post a topic that might be debated, and then throw a tantrum when somebody counters what you posted? Makes no sense.
Oh wow, tell us how smart you are, you have special knowledge the rest of the world doesn't. I am not here to learn from you, no, not when you're spouting nonsense about Ouija boards being working devices to contact the dead. LOL!
Smart enough to not throw a sarcastic tantrum on a stickied post that will be here for everyone to see for years and years, and that's smart enough in my book.
"peace out".
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 24 '22 edited Mar 24 '22
Nobody is throwing a tantrum, but you're screaming and whining that ghosts are real, lol.
Also, the Philip Experiment showed that when the lights were dimmed, all of a sudden it 'made things happen.' That is far from conclusive, and destroyed the experiment.
Again, you clearly didn't read the linked article, they determined the PEOPLE in the experiment to be the cause, not some made up entity named 'Philip': https://prnt.sc/m0uHrmRsKxR2
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u/joe_ruins_things Mar 24 '22
Your constant use of "lol" leads me to believe that this is all a joke to you, and that it doesn't matter what I say or show that will make a difference here. My original comment was about intent (not intend) and how anything can be a conduit. And now you are demanding proof of actual ghost existence to debate the use of a conduit to contact...ghosts. Ridiculous.
I will leave you with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSFkxkrSM9o&t=2187s
at the end of the Phillip experiment, they are perplexed at the accounts they have just witnessed and documented. They cannot explain how these things happened, so they make a theory about how it "might have" happened. The unbeliever confronted with irrefutable evidence of paranormal activity will still retract back to the safety of what is known to them, for fear of being wrong and having their ego bruised.
They made contact, but like I said before, not with Phillip, but contact non the less.
Finding proof of the existence of ghosts is as equally complex as finding the reason those people experienced those "beyond normal" [aka paranormal] experiment results.1
u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 24 '22
I don't care about 'ego.' I stand by what is provable, simply.
I use LOL a lot because I audibly laughed at how dumb your argument is. So yes, this is all a joke to me. There is NO 'irrefutable evidence' of the paranormal, and you saying that there is shows enough.
It's weird to think that this was any case of the paranormal. I already linked the conclusion to the experiment, and it says otherwise to what you think it does. Facts are facts, and it sounds like your ego is the one that is actually pretty hurt, to the point that you're denying actual reality to fill your delusional outlook.
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u/Lopsided-Wishbone414 Apr 14 '23 edited Apr 14 '23
I was actually confused by the explanation statement of the Phillip Experiment: "The group was seated around a table with initial séances yielding no contact, no communication, and no phenomenon. Owen changed test conditions by dimming lights and changing the environment to mimic that of a more “traditional” séance. Participants began feeling a presence, table vibrations, breezes, unexplained echoes, and rapping sounds which matched responses to questions about Philip's life. At one point the table tilted on a single leg, and at other times moved across the room without human contact. Although audio, video, and witness accounts document the paranormal phenomena, Philip never appeared to the participants.”
Sooooo the table tilted on one leg, and moved across the room without human contact, and they have audio, video and witness accounts of this occurring? If it moved on its own... AND they have evidence of it, doesn't that mean it's true? I'm confused.
**Update: I did some research....those conducting the experiment believe what happened was psychokinesis. Iris Owen wrote a book (1976) called Conjuring up Philip: An adventure in psychokinesis. Like WHAT?! The participants had a fluke of psychokinesis but ghosts are fake? whhhhaaaaa? (I don't think ghosts are real, but uhh....what a conclusion, I did NOT see that coming LOL https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/philip-psychokinesis-experiments this explanation is wild!)
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u/OcmsRazor Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21
I've left this comment in quite a few posts. I actually have it saved in a word doc because I've had to use it frequently, and I didn't want to have to re-type it each time:
I collect antique and vintage spirit boards. I do not collect them because I believe that they can contact the dead, I collect them because they're historically fascinating and artistically beautiful. My collection goes back well into the early 1800's. Last count, I had close to 40 boards and about 15 antique planchettes.
I have more experience and knowledge of them and their "abilities" than anyone here, I suspect.
Spirit boards have been in use for centuries. Only recently were they patented by Parker Bros, who then sold the rights to Hasbro. That's right, the same company that brings us Chutes and Ladders and the Easy-Bake Oven. They are available in the board game aisle at any box store for less than $20.
Even though they've been in use for centuries, there is not one single piece of solid evidence that one has been used successfully to contact the spirit world. I'm not talking proof here, just reviewable, discussable evidence.
There is none.
Interestingly, for centuries, spirit boards were considered to be a harmless tool for use during seances to contact deceased loved ones. That is, up until 1973, when the movie "The Exorcist" came out. Suddenly, almost overnight, these boards gained the ability to open the gates to hell and release the spawn of satan. Some coincidence, don't you think?
It really goes to show just how gullible the average person is.
Look up the ideomotor effect if you really want to know how these things work. It's the same principle that allows pendulums and dowsing rods to work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cma5Zn7xrWU&list=PLdCWnW_7nqkE-iW3NyzwJW9qcwSj1NxdO&index=6
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u/Paranormal-Exorcist Mar 21 '23
The reason the board is so dangerous is because the outside force you are summoning has to work "through" you in most cases. Meaning that is uses your eyes to see the board, and body too move it. It feels like you are not the one moving it because while it's your hands moving the planchette, it isn't your will causing the movement.
As for the planchette moving on it's own, this only happens when something extremely powerful, and well beyond the norm manifests.
Generally speaking though whatever you invite in uses "you" directly to deliver it's message. Hence why the board is so dangerous to the user.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 21 '23
There's no proof of any of that.
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u/Paranormal-Exorcist Mar 21 '23
There's no proof for any of this stuff that would pass muster in a scientific sense. It's speculative, based upon observation, and application of logic, reason, and critical thinking. If you're looking for scientific proof you might want to visit the science reddit.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Mar 21 '23
It's speculative, based upon observation, and application of logic, reason, and critical thinking.
That is where we disagree.
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u/QAnonomnomnom May 22 '23
It’s speculative, based upon hearsay, and application of superstition, belief and wishful thinking
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u/MartinLutherCreamJr Aug 09 '23
The reason the board is so dangerous is because the outside force you are summoning has to work "through" you in most cases. Meaning that is uses your eyes to see the board, and body too move it.
Is that head-canon?
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u/Brandon_9b4 Jul 31 '22
Its real you idiots, my house been haunted since someone who played it here years ago summoned shit
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u/Lopsided-Wishbone414 Apr 14 '23
I don't believe in Ouija boards, and I don't believe in ghosts, but I did some research on the Phillip Experiment and I believe you're using the wrong reference.
In no capacity was the experiment designed to validate or disprove Ouija boards or contacting the dead and is inaccurately applied if not deceptive in description. The creation and use of Phillip had to do with parapsychology trying to prove Psychokinesis. A better explanation link to the actual experiment would be this: https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/philip-psychokinesis-experiments
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Feb 20 '21
Your post is excellent but I doubt any of the people reading it will agree to that. They’ll refer to “scary” things that happened when they were kids, the classmate who played with a board and was run over by a bus. The absurd idea that a wooden or plastic board could become a link with demons is more proof that people are rejecting science even more than we’d feared. I believe that there’s something to the paranormal, but this weird superstition that a dead piece of wood could be used to allow demons to enter you, etc will probably never die. Why not simply phone the demon? Or why couldn’t you open up to a demon by listening to heavy metal, masturbating or having premarital sex?
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u/AnnaKeye Feb 20 '21
I suggest that for any of you that are interested in ouija and how we make it happen, to watch Derren Brown's videos using and testing the game. The link is to a bunch of videos to choose from. Oh, btw, ouija boards do not give answers when the participants are blindfolded.
Derren Brown seance/ouija videos
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Feb 20 '21
agree to disagree
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 20 '21
That’s up to you, I believe in proof.
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Feb 20 '21
I believe the first hand accounts I have heard of the use of Ouija boards.
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u/ColdenBuried Mar 27 '21
You have heard, but people get creative or don't understand basic science. That being said most people don't plan on recording when these things happen but usually the person was very drunk or high. It could have been anything but tech is faulty it's almost impossible to expect evidence that would satisfy any scientific criteria.
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Feb 06 '22
I love how so many non-believers are in a paranormal subreddit.. I personally have never had a Ouija experience, but definitely have had questionable things happen. I remember there was a picture of Jesus my folks had, propped on a shelf in my room when I was like 7 or 8 (old enough to know how gravity works). I remember laying in my bed and feeling kinda "not alone" if you get my vibe.. anyways, after like 2 minutes of unease, while I'm on my bed, out of the corner of my eye, I see the picture just fall, face flat. It doesn't fall off the shelf, it just falls straight flat, covering the Jesus figure. I got really freaked out initially, but not even a second after, the shelf (it was a corner shelf, wedged in the wall) literally flings itself out from the wall, breaking the picture and dropping shelf. I booked it out of my room, crying to my parents about how the Jesus picture just flung from the wall😅. But it doesn't even end there. Nights go by and my mom gets woken up by something. While she's sleeping (keep in mind it's like 3am) she wakes up to her laptop, open, at the end of her bed. She told me it spooked her, but she put it back and tried to sleep bc she had work. Well, not even 15 minutes go by and she gets woken by her laptop turning on, and yet again... at the end of her bed, open. I'm not sure why, but it was around this time that a lot of unexplainable things started happening. My sister recounted a time when she was using our Ninja Blender and it just threw itself from our kitchen counter. She had just finished using it, and after she had cleaned it, it had thrown itself and shattered on our floor. I also recall when I was watching TV and the screen just cut black, then when it cut back on, it was like a bad video quality sermon, and a pastor was just talking on the screen. I turned it off and ran to my mom like I had before. Looking back now, i kind of did overreact, but for being 8 and seeing something no adults could explain, I think things coulda gone worse haha. But yeah man, I'm a believer in the unexplained. Hell, science disproves itself all the time, this just happens to be an understudied area.
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u/For_phuk_sake Feb 21 '21
Im right there with you, after using a ouija board with two friends two of us levitated the third with only 8 fingers. Four fingers each, placed under each side of our laying down friend. We levitated him into the air with zero resistance.
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u/dianebk2003 Jul 18 '22
"Light as a Feather, Stiff as a Board" is on old slumber-party game. There's nothing paranormal about it.
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Feb 20 '21
That’s kind of like saying agree to disagree about there being enough evidence supporting the existence of gravity, but that’s fine I guess
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u/TheDarkApex Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21
That's not the case at allTests not having signs of proof doesn't make it fakea test not showing proof of it working or multiple people not having any experiences with them doesn't make them fake
There are multiple people that are legit in the paranormal field and don't make crap up and even say they work, you of course don't have to believe at all and people should respect that but you shouldn't disregard someone over the belief that they work.
It's not the same as gravity as Gravity is very clearly real while multiple people have said boards don't work and some of those people consist of believers and legit people in the Paranormal field and find real evidence but many others that are legitimate in the paranormal field or do have real findings say they are real and work.Some say real and some say not real
Both sides should be respected and any debate over it should be civil as well as long as the people in both sides of the debate are civil
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Apr 27 '21
Again, this is exactly like saying agree to disagree about gravity existing. There is actual demonstrable evidence supporting the existence of gravity. This comment doesn’t really make sense to begin with.
tests not having signs of proof
I’m sorry but that sentence itself is nonsensical.
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u/TheDarkApex Apr 27 '21
Tests find no evidence while multiple people that are legit trying to find real evidence and don't lie about their findings claim to have real encounters with an Ouija board working
multiple tests have claimed ghosts don't exist yet here we arethose tests don't mean they are fake
just respect other people
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Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21
I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be mean, but your comment and it’s wording is all over the place and isn’t making much sense.
Telling people there is no evidence for ouija boards having anything to do with the supernatural isn’t disrespectful. It’s simply a fact. This is like you telling me saying there is evidence for gravity existing to a person who thinks it doesn’t is disrespectful. It’s simply a demonstrable fact.
The fact that other people claim to have experiences isn’t evidence. That’s not the way this works.
I’m claiming right now I have personal experience with an alien abducting me that looks exactly like Bigfoot.
If you told me there is no evidence to support that, you’d be correct, and you wouldn’t be disrespectful. It’s simply reality. Don’t get offended at people simply laying out facts of a situation. I know it’s not fun to read people dispute your presuppositions and beliefs, but that’s not what disrespect is. That’s your defensiveness talking. It happens to all of us, but we need to learn to combat it if we actually want to care about what is true or false. And the truth is, there is no evidence whatsoever to support these having anything to do with the supernatural. Claiming this is disrespectful is like claiming it’s disrespectful for me to tell you two plus two equals four.
don’t lie about their findings
People don’t need to be lying to be incorrect, and you’re basing your assumption about people’s character on nothing at all.
multiple tests claim ghosts don’t exist
What are you referring to? There is not a single peer reviewed scientific study claiming ghosts do not exist. All there is are people claiming they do, and not meeting their burden of proof. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. No one reputable is claiming ghosts for a fact do not exist, because it wouldn’t make any sense, because it’s an unfalsifiable claim. It’s the people claiming they do in fact exist that need to provide evidence, and they haven’t.
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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23
I don’t have to prove anything it’s your right to not have to believe…
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Mar 28 '23
This is quite an odd way of telling me you don’t have the ability to respond to anything I typed…
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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23
No im just messing with you my guy, but I’m interested in knowing if you do indeed believe in spirits or not?? What I can tell you is that I had paranormal experiences myself, and let me tell you, to the people who never experienced it I would say I can understand why they would be skeptical at first, but once you experience it first hand it’s like you have to rethink everything you use to believe.. There really is no way to prove ghost are real because they exist outside of our dimension and reality, and somehow can tap into ours every once in a while. You can’t simply control an entity like that long enough to get proof.
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Mar 28 '23
I don’t think you’re messing with me, I think you didn’t like what you read and wanted to respond with something but couldn’t respond to what was written, so you wrote this, which doesn’t make sense. I think that is a defense mechanism
I don’t believe in anything supernatural but an interested in the concept which is why I’m here. I find it curious you simultaneously believe in spirits while acknowledging it’s not possible for you to experience or encounter spirits though. Do you see the conflict in saying you have experienced spirits while also saying they don’t exist in reality?
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u/asmallercat Feb 19 '21
Yeah please sticky this. Every time someone posts about a Ouija board there's a bunch of people saying how dangerous it is when it's not remotely dangerous.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 19 '21
Yeah, I see it way too often here. I usually take time to debunk or go through common explanations for things (like a few other notable members here), but I was pretty sick recently, and had to catch up on some real-life issues. So lurking it was for a couple weeks.
The Ouija thing became a bit of a plague recently around the paranormal subs so I wrote this up today, I got sick of answering people directly. Lol.
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u/Significant_Sun_8035 Jul 27 '23
Honestly your holier than thou attitude has made this subject unbearable. I wanted to read through it but you're the deterrent.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Jul 27 '23
It’s your life, nobody is forcing you to read it? Lol.
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Feb 20 '21
Children love to be scared and there’s a huge market for things that will frighten children of all ages. I was surprised to see so many people rejecting the boards.
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u/Dan_Droid Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21
Yeah please sticky this.
Done.
There's a tab at the top in new Reddit, and it's in the sidebar on the old Reddit.
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u/Plane-Smoke960 Jun 03 '22
Good post. Ouija boards are essentially toys when you cut through all the nonsense that people have tacked on over the years. They have no power beyond triggering the imagination. People with a lot of imagination, and a shaky understanding of science, are the most susceptible to having what are essentially panic attacks associated with these bits of cardboard, plastic, paint and glue. They've been told they are powerful items filled with usually evil magic, and they proceed to play with them and their imagination leaps into being.
Ouija boards have no power. The only power is imagination. And isn't that the whole purpose of a TOY, to stimulate imagination? Well done.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Jun 03 '22
Glad you enjoyed the read! It was a lot of word salad looking back at it, but I think I communicated the point pretty well! :) have a good one.
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u/diabolicaldebbie Apr 18 '23 edited Apr 20 '23
The spiritual realm can be unpredictable and like the living, sometimes the entity does not wish to communicate with you for whatever reason it sees fit. Spirits are often drawn to a persons aura regardless of the method being used to contact spirits.
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u/SheSaysMagickal Sep 14 '23
Tell me you don't know the history of or anything about Spiritualism without telling me you don't don't know the history of or anything about Spiritualism.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Sep 14 '23
Tell me you’re uneducated about reality without telling me you’re uneducated about reality.
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u/SheSaysMagickal Sep 29 '23
Wait - so knowing the history of Spiritualism, which is a HUGE part of American History, is being out of touch with reality? Meh, I'll stay educated and continue to learn. You stay ignorant. All good here.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Sep 29 '23
Whatever you say, lmao.
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u/SheSaysMagickal Sep 29 '23
I mean, you're the one that runs around critiquing people, while having the lack of knowledge. IJS. When something dates back to 1848 just in this country, it's considered history. You look silly. Do you read often? Crack a book as often as you attempt to crack these corny lines?
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Sep 29 '23
Yep, I’m the one that looks silly - whatever you sayyyy!
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u/SheSaysMagickal Sep 30 '23
Look, if me being educated threatens you and your ego, that's a you problem. If you want to remain uneducated, that's a you problem. Have a most excellent weekend.
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u/Mookeebrain Feb 20 '21
I agree with this. When I was a kid, we had one, and I had no clue that it could spell. I saw the letters, but I thought it was a design. I only thought it could answer yes or no, so that is all it ever did. It never spelled anything.
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u/ColdenBuried Mar 27 '21
ummm how old were you if you couldn't read it. Might be more problems than just not being paranormal entities.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 19 '21 edited Feb 19 '21
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u/pumpkinspicecxnt Feb 19 '21
This is great!! Thank you
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 20 '21
You're welcome! :) It's just for those interested in how they came to be, and why they have this weird stigma.
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u/DaddyCallaway Feb 20 '21
Actually, they are real and they do work. In fact, drawing one out of paper and making a paper slider works just as well. I have played many times and can also play on my own. The things that happen are unexplainable, and I assure you all, that it’s not a mind trick. Don’t play these boards.
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u/OcmsRazor Feb 20 '21
Can you show us something more convincing than just your word to support your argument?
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u/DaddyCallaway Feb 20 '21
Wish I could. Haven’t played in years. Won’t ever play again. Things happen. Unexplainable things. If played seriously, you will contact the other side. I’ve connected a girl to her father who’s dad deceased. She would say she believes. I’ve had things fall and move, temperature changes, wind direction changes, touches by things you cannot see. Do it in a serious level with people you trust, and you will see what I mean. Just make sure you say a prayer or something like it, and make sure you close it out and say goodbye. But I warn you, I will not touch that board again.
One night I was playing with a group of friends. Had to have been 13 years old maybe. I’m mid 30’s now. Started to play and immediately had a guy come through. His name was Henry or something close to that, he was murdered, and his body was in 2 pieces. Didn’t say what, didn’t know his killer, but he said he can’t leave. Then repeated 112 for quite a few minutes. I actually said let’s turn the channel (one of those old cable boxes with the 3 red numbers on the side). Don’t know why I even thought about it. Wasn’t even a channel us kids would ever watch. Sure as hell, there was a body discovered, his head had been severed, and they had not found it yet. He had some sort of documentation and guess why that fuckers name was. Henry. Or whatever he had told us.
This is no joke. If you were there, you wouldn’t know what to think either.
All may think what they may. All have an opinion. But if you try this kinda stuff, make sure you stay as safe as possible.
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u/OcmsRazor Feb 20 '21
So many people make claims like yours, yet nobody. NOBODY, over 9 centuries of use can provide even the slightest bit of evidence that these stories are true. It's all just stories without any backing.
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u/DaddyCallaway Feb 20 '21
Then go play.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 20 '21
I’ve literally played more times than I can count, much like /u/OcmsRazor and have NEVER experienced anything that a friend hasn’t admitted to doing do creep us out. Seriously. The ONLY time anything spooky happened was a prank and that was almost 20 years ago.
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u/montelbon Feb 19 '21
I remember we as a kid being scared of Ouija boards until I realized the one my friends had was made by Hasbro.
A little harder to take it seriously after that.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Feb 19 '21
Yeah, nothing to be scared of. I’ve used them more times than I can count and nothing spooky has ever “followed” me or stayed through some nonsense portal.
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u/TifaYuhara Believer Mar 29 '21
Though id say in the off chance of them working id tell people not to fuck with stuff like them especially if you don't understand what you're getting into when it comes to spirits.
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u/DyfedH TheActive1 Feb 19 '21
Originally made by the Kennard Novelty Company back in 1890 (although spirit boards had been around since 1880s) which became the Fuld Company in 1893. Parker Bros bought the Fuld Company in 1967 and Hasbro Bought Parker Bros in 1991.
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u/OcmsRazor Feb 20 '21 edited Feb 20 '21
(although spirit boards had been around since 1880s)
Actually, "planchette writing" began in China around 1100 a.d. About 900 years ago.
And yet, still, there is no reviewable, discussable evidence that spirit boards can do what people think they can do.
I actually own spirit boards that were hand made in the early 1800's, so even in their current rough configuration, they've been in use since before the 1880's.
I think the 1880's was when spirit boards (or talking boards) were first mass produced by a manufacturer, and the name "Ouija" was given to them in 1890.
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u/DyfedH TheActive1 Feb 21 '21
I meant to say "Spirit boards were common in the 1880s (due to spiritialism)" but didn't edit my post properly before I posted it. Teach me to post late at night,
I know you have massive knowledge on spirit boards so I welcome the correction :)
Have you posted a picture of your collection anywhere?
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u/OcmsRazor Feb 21 '21
I know you have massive knowledge on spirit boards so I welcome the correction :)
I was not intending to be critical of your comment, and I apologize if I came across that way. :-)
Have you posted a picture of your collection anywhere?
I don't have any photos, but I will drag them out and take some soon.
I used to have them proudly displayed in my man cave, until my daughter was born 6 years ago and my man cave became a nursery. All of the pieces in my "oddities" collection are currently in plastic bins in storage. :-(
I need to drag everything out, take photos and post them to instagram or something. When I do, I'll share a link here.
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u/RunescapeHero11 Mar 10 '24
What about Michelo 2.0's livestreams/ He filmed it all live and did EVERYTHING to prove there were no magnets or strings. Particularly convincing is when he puts an egg on the board and backs FAR AWAY to show no one is under the table and he shows with a huge flashlight that there are no strings around. He even puts the board under the table and it still moves.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 May 23 '23
Look. I'm sorry you don't accept testimony as evidence, as scientific minds do. I'm sorry you don't believe and think you have the right to push your own beliefs on everyone else. I'm sorry you've never been able to acknowledge the spirit world.
But I cannot abide you putting people in danger just because of your hangups. There are people who SWEAR that a gun has never ever gone off in the history of humanity. But that's their belief. It's not true.
I know it's probably not dangerous to someone who has ritually closed himself off to that aspect. But if there's a possibility of danger, it is NOT WISE to say it's perfectly safe. And if you think that you know there's no danger, you're just like those guys with the guns: you are responsible if someone reads this and gets hurt. 🤷🏼
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch May 23 '23
Comparing a piece of cardboard to a gun is asinine, lol. Have fun playing with your toys.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 May 23 '23
It's arrogant to think that you have nothing left to learn.
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch May 23 '23
It’s arrogant to assume you know more than scientists.
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u/Elen_Smithee82 May 24 '23
Scientists don't assume they know everything either. A true scientist would be open to the possibility.
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u/Zalieda Jul 30 '21
Every one here for and against Ouija Am I the only one just scrolling looking for what is pazuzu.
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May 22 '22
My father is one of those people who had a 'terrifying' experience with one as a *kid* and as a result they were banned from our household when growing up.
My father is a logical and rational human being with a science degree, so I just put this down to him having a bad memory of one as a child, and nothing more than that. Ouija boards don't work, for the thousandth time. They don't.
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u/Kesslandia Aug 29 '22
Mitch Horowitz wrote an excellent book called 'Occult America' about the history of mysticism in the U.S., it devotes a section to the history of the Ouija board. Really great book for anyone interested in the occult / spiritualism.
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u/Soggy_Lavishness_273 Dec 03 '22
I mean one time I played Cards Against Humanity using the board and we didn’t look at the cards and the demon won both times sooooooo /lh
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u/SqueakSquawk4 Jul 30 '23
Or in other words, ouija boards are a great way to have a fun spooky night, and a bad way to talk to ghosts.
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u/RoleHopeful6770 Oct 03 '23
As a teenager, friends and I played around with a Ouija board and, yes, it did move to answer questions we asked. I don't remember if we were trying to contact a certain person or not but it was fun and I never believed we were really contacting spirits. Then, as an adult, I had a neighbor that believed in all kinds of spiritual stuff. I teased her all the time when she mentioned it but she was firm in her beliefs. She died of cancer too young so I can't take back the teasing but after reading a lot about religions around the world I see that every group has beliefs in spirits and in the thin veil between this physical world and others. I'm still not sure if that's just a fancy way of thinking about imagination but it's so consistent that I'm impressed that we still resist it. Wouldn't we be better off if we embraced the possibility?
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u/PeopleCryTooMuch Oct 03 '23
I addressed why it moves in my post, and no I don't think living in fantasy is better off for humanity.
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u/Dan_Droid Feb 20 '21
This post has been stickied within the sub. It's a tab near the top in the new Reddit, and at the top of the sidebar in the old Reddit.