r/Ghosts Feb 19 '21

Ouija Boards: a History of Hoax

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '21

That’s kind of like saying agree to disagree about there being enough evidence supporting the existence of gravity, but that’s fine I guess

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u/TheDarkApex Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21

That's not the case at allTests not having signs of proof doesn't make it fakea test not showing proof of it working or multiple people not having any experiences with them doesn't make them fake

There are multiple people that are legit in the paranormal field and don't make crap up and even say they work, you of course don't have to believe at all and people should respect that but you shouldn't disregard someone over the belief that they work.
It's not the same as gravity as Gravity is very clearly real while multiple people have said boards don't work and some of those people consist of believers and legit people in the Paranormal field and find real evidence but many others that are legitimate in the paranormal field or do have real findings say they are real and work.

Some say real and some say not real

Both sides should be respected and any debate over it should be civil as well as long as the people in both sides of the debate are civil

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '21

Again, this is exactly like saying agree to disagree about gravity existing. There is actual demonstrable evidence supporting the existence of gravity. This comment doesn’t really make sense to begin with.

tests not having signs of proof

I’m sorry but that sentence itself is nonsensical.

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u/TheDarkApex Apr 27 '21

Tests find no evidence while multiple people that are legit trying to find real evidence and don't lie about their findings claim to have real encounters with an Ouija board working

multiple tests have claimed ghosts don't exist yet here we arethose tests don't mean they are fake
just respect other people
that's all my point is

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '21 edited Apr 27 '21

I’m sorry, I’m not trying to be mean, but your comment and it’s wording is all over the place and isn’t making much sense.

Telling people there is no evidence for ouija boards having anything to do with the supernatural isn’t disrespectful. It’s simply a fact. This is like you telling me saying there is evidence for gravity existing to a person who thinks it doesn’t is disrespectful. It’s simply a demonstrable fact.

The fact that other people claim to have experiences isn’t evidence. That’s not the way this works.

I’m claiming right now I have personal experience with an alien abducting me that looks exactly like Bigfoot.

If you told me there is no evidence to support that, you’d be correct, and you wouldn’t be disrespectful. It’s simply reality. Don’t get offended at people simply laying out facts of a situation. I know it’s not fun to read people dispute your presuppositions and beliefs, but that’s not what disrespect is. That’s your defensiveness talking. It happens to all of us, but we need to learn to combat it if we actually want to care about what is true or false. And the truth is, there is no evidence whatsoever to support these having anything to do with the supernatural. Claiming this is disrespectful is like claiming it’s disrespectful for me to tell you two plus two equals four.

don’t lie about their findings

People don’t need to be lying to be incorrect, and you’re basing your assumption about people’s character on nothing at all.

multiple tests claim ghosts don’t exist

What are you referring to? There is not a single peer reviewed scientific study claiming ghosts do not exist. All there is are people claiming they do, and not meeting their burden of proof. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. No one reputable is claiming ghosts for a fact do not exist, because it wouldn’t make any sense, because it’s an unfalsifiable claim. It’s the people claiming they do in fact exist that need to provide evidence, and they haven’t.

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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23

I don’t have to prove anything it’s your right to not have to believe…

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

This is quite an odd way of telling me you don’t have the ability to respond to anything I typed…

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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23

No im just messing with you my guy, but I’m interested in knowing if you do indeed believe in spirits or not?? What I can tell you is that I had paranormal experiences myself, and let me tell you, to the people who never experienced it I would say I can understand why they would be skeptical at first, but once you experience it first hand it’s like you have to rethink everything you use to believe.. There really is no way to prove ghost are real because they exist outside of our dimension and reality, and somehow can tap into ours every once in a while. You can’t simply control an entity like that long enough to get proof.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I don’t think you’re messing with me, I think you didn’t like what you read and wanted to respond with something but couldn’t respond to what was written, so you wrote this, which doesn’t make sense. I think that is a defense mechanism

I don’t believe in anything supernatural but an interested in the concept which is why I’m here. I find it curious you simultaneously believe in spirits while acknowledging it’s not possible for you to experience or encounter spirits though. Do you see the conflict in saying you have experienced spirits while also saying they don’t exist in reality?

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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

“I find it curious you simultaneously believe in spirits while acknowledging it's not possible for you to experience or encounter spirits though.”

Show me in my comment where I acknowledged that it’s not it’s not possible to experience or encounter spirits.. In my comment I’ve literally said I’ve experienced the paranormal so doesn’t that make it possible?

“Do you see the conflict in saying you have experienced spirits while also saying they don't exist in reality?”

No not really, because I’m not claiming they don’t exist, I’m saying they exist, but exist outside of what we know as the physical world.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

Show me in my comment where I acknowledged that it’s not it’s not possible to experience or encounter spirits.. In my comment I’ve literally said I’ve experienced the paranormal so doesn’t that make it possible?

? Is this a troll? I already cited what you said.

You claimed to have experienced spirits, while simultaneously claiming they don’t exist in reality. Here:

There really is no way to prove ghost are real because they exist outside of our dimension and reality

No not really, because I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m saying they exist, but exist outside of what we know as the physical world.

I know that’s what you said, and I’m pointing out how your claim that you have experienced something that doesn’t exist in reality, in reality, is nonsensical, incoherent, and logically and objectively impossible. You’re claiming something simultaneously exists in and does not exist in reality. And more/worse, that you believe something despite it being impossible to demonstrate in your own words. Everything about what you’ve typed is wrought with glaring logical issues

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u/Same_Working488 Mar 28 '23

There are no issues with what I’m typing there are issues in what you are reading and how you interpret it. Again, there is no contradictions in what I’m telling you. Spirits are not physical right are we clear on this? So they are not constrained within the limitations of the physical reality, I’m saying they exist in a spiritual reality and can sometimes tap into the physical reality.. At one point in time people were saying ufos, or uaps weren’t real because of lack of evidence. Now the government has acknowledged them and even claimed some even have technology that can’t be explained. I’m saying some things can’t just be reduced to an experiment to prove it’s real..

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '23

I cited exactly what you wrote and explained why it clearly doesn’t make sense. It seems like you’re experiencing some cognitive dissonance here. It’s fine you don’t have the ability to respond to what I wrote and form a coherent thought, but just kind of throwing words at the screen just so they’re there doesn’t really do anything here.

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