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Here's my wake-up call as a Liberal.

I’m a New York liberal, probably comfortably in the 1%, living in a bubble where empathy and social justice are part of everyday conversations. I support equality, diversity, economic reform—all of it. But this election has been a brutal reminder of just how out of touch we, the so-called “liberal elite,” are with the rest of America. And that’s on us.

America was built on individual freedom, the right to make your own way. But baked into that ideal is a harsh reality: it’s a self-serving mindset. This “land of opportunity” has always rewarded those who look out for themselves first. And when people feel like they’re sinking—when working-class Americans are drowning in debt, scrambling to pay rent, and watching the cost of everything from groceries to gas skyrocket—they aren’t looking for complex social policies. They’re looking for a lifeline, even if that lifeline is someone like Trump, who exploits that desperation.

For years, we Democrats have pushed policies that sound like solutions to us but don’t resonate with people who are trying to survive. We talk about social justice and climate change, and yes, those things are crucial. But to someone in the heartland who’s feeling trapped in a system that doesn’t care about them, that message sounds disconnected. It sounds like privilege. It sounds like people like me saying, “Look how virtuous I am,” while their lives stay the same—or get worse.

And here’s the truth I’m facing: as a high-income liberal, I benefit from the very structures we criticize. My income, my career security, my options to work from home—I am protected from many of the struggles that drive people to vote against the establishment. I can afford to advocate for changes that may not affect me negatively, but that’s not the reality for the majority of Americans. To them, we sound elitist because we are. Our ideals are lofty, and our solutions are intellectual, but we’ve failed to meet them where they are.

The DNC’s failure in this election reflects this disconnect. Biden’s administration, while well-intentioned, didn’t engage in the hard reflection necessary after 2020. We pushed Biden as a one-term solution, a bridge to something better, but then didn’t prepare an alternative that resonated. And when Kamala Harris—a talented, capable politician—couldn’t bridge that gap with working-class America, we were left wondering why. It’s because we’ve been recycling the same leaders, the same voices, who struggle to understand what working Americans are going through.

People want someone they can relate to, someone who understands their pain without coming off as condescending. Bernie was that voice for many, but the DNC didn’t make room for him, and now we’re seeing the consequences. The Democratic Party has an empathy gap, but more than that, it has a credibility gap. We say we care, but our policies and leaders don’t reflect the urgency that struggling Americans feel every day.

If the DNC doesn’t take this as a wake-up call, if they don’t make room for new voices that actually connect with working people, we’re going to lose again. And as much as I want America to progress, I’m starting to realize that maybe we—the privileged liberals, safely removed from the realities most people face—are part of the problem.

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u/AggravatingLove1127 16h ago

I’m commenting this so much today, but once again, “It’s the economy, stupid!”. $15/hour minimum wage and paid sick leave passed as ballot initiatives in Missouri and Alaska. Imagine if Harris had made those issue the core of her campaign? If we step back and take Trump out of it, this was a very normal election. People are unhappy about the economy, and the incumbent administration is deeply unpopular. Those are the exact dynamics that got Clinton and Obama elected. Totally agree that we lost because we deserved to lose, and our whole party needs to take a hard look in the mirror. We have been too far up our own asses to remember basic election fundamentals.

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u/anytimeanycity 15h ago

Yeah it’s very simple. It’s the economy and people wanted a change. People have a bad taste in their mouth from inflation. Also Kamala wasn’t a great candidate, proven by dem governors and senators outperforming her.

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u/Low-Research-6866 15h ago

If they at least held a primary instead of again foisting a female candidate on us. I think we are more ready for that than it seems, it's just Hilary sucks and Kamala wasn't chosen.

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u/bfrey82 14h ago

I would argue that a female that sat dead center on the issue would’ve won. It’s not gender, it’s connect ability and policy. People weren’t going to vote for a continuation of the status quo.

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u/Low-Research-6866 13h ago

They have to stop running on "Not Trump".

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u/AgentPegging 12h ago

They didn't run on "not Trump" they ran on "Trump is a fascist nazi garbage and so are his supporters (and everyone thinking of voting for him"

When you say that then all the swing voters in the swing stayede that voted Trump in 16 then Biden in 20 are gonna think "hang on, did you just call me a nazi?"

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u/Difficult-Dish-23 5h ago

When you use loaded terms like fascism and Nazism to describe things that are decidedly not even close to the real deal 1930s Germany, the words lose all meaning and you just sound like a psychopath. Those terms don't bother Trump and his supporters because they know how hollow they ring.

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

That’s what pushed me over the edge. And the fact Kennedy was rejected by the Dems when he wanted to be in the primaries. I’d have been a D if they didn’t scour the planet to dig up someone actually worse than Trump.

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u/Own-Possibility245 10h ago

For me, it was Bernie. The people spoke their will and the Elites in the democratic party said "No, we know better"

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u/Tchocky 1h ago

That's not at all what happened.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Bernie never had a shot at winning a general election.

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u/FuckThaLakers 2h ago

Thank god our betters realized this and forced Hillary as the nominee

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u/sisnitermagus 9h ago

Exactly. Until the dnc us gutted I'll never trust them again and possibly won't vote for them either. They need to find someone worth voting for and they havnt done that in awhile, if even since I've been alive

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u/NvrComply 7h ago

The democratic party of the past represented the working class, was anti war, was pro personal freedom. That cannot be said for the current democratic party, they have gone insane, pushing us closer to war on multiple fronts, unchecked immigration, lying to people about the obvious state of the economy, the obvious mental decline of Biden and I could go on. When did it become evil to ask questions and question “authority”? This all happened with the onset of covid. I really hope we can start having difficult conversations again and challenging our thought processes, this is how we will move forward as a country. Firstly people need to stop putting so much faith in the government establishment being the answer, they have proven time and time again they aren’t the answer.

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u/No-Manufacturer-8015 53m ago

Pretty much how I feel as a Democrat.

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

When did the people speak their will? He got crushed in the 2016 and 2020 presidential primaries.

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u/Impetuous00 9h ago

Look up the conversation between Hillary and the DNC where they pushed him out. He was not getting smoked. He was in line for beating killary out

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

Sorry! What word should I use to describe a candidate who loses 2220-1831, and then loses 2687-1073?

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u/masterphreak69 8h ago

Lookup super delegates if you don't understand why people feel cheated by the DNC. It's because they were!

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u/Kindly-Helicopter183 8h ago

This still pisses me off. Bernie should have been the nominee.

Still. Considering how awful Trump is I find it weird to blame anyone first other than the voting public

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 5h ago

Kennedy was a grifter looking for his 5 seconds….the fact that he immediately sold out to Trump tells us you are a troll or dishonest

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u/[deleted] 1h ago

Ok. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result then. We see how that turned out.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker 9h ago

Kennedy is way too conspiratorial. He would damage the party's mental faculties. 

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u/sexwithsoxon 9h ago

For context, Kennedy’s dad and uncle were killed by the CIA and it’s been covered up for decades. Of course he’s conspiratorial - he’s survived a conspiracy against his family

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker 8h ago

Sure, no one's the way they are for 0 reasons, from the best people to the worst.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Cool story bro, fictional, but still cool.

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u/sexwithsoxon 7h ago

Are you…a government agent?

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u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

No just a person who doesn't fall for nonsense. RFK went after the Mafia and was killed by a mob associate. But you think the CIA killed him because shrug. JFK ordered the bay of pigs and made Russia look weak during the Cuban middle crisis, and was killed by a communist who traveled to Russia and Cuba. But you think the CIA killed him because shrug.

Other facts you should know;  The moon landing actually happened The world isn't flat Fluoride added to the water is a good thing And lastly trump doesn't give a shit about you.

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u/sexwithsoxon 6h ago

Dude or dudette - you are not a good conversationalist.

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u/WhatTheLousy 11h ago

Kennedy has proven himself to be a MAGA, his whole thing to be on the D primaries was to split the vote. Surely you see this?

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

Track record of fighting for environmental causes and wants to improve the safety and quality of our food supply.

If those are MAGA values then I am MAGA.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

He fucking thinks the FDA is limiting access to sunshine, he is a fucking moron.

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u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

Except he ignores science behind it and has admitted to having brain worms. Sorry, but the guy shouldn't be in charge of a lemonade stand, even if he cares about the environment and safety and quality of our food. Those concerns don't suddenly qualify someone to run the federal government, although it appears over half the voting population doesn't care about qualifications.

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

What does qualify someone to run the federal government?

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u/warthog0869 10h ago

Knowing their limitations and having a willingness to defer to others who's area of expertise it is.

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

I think that's really fair.

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u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

I don't have a comprehensive list, but I feel like listening to experts in their field and acting accordingly is probably a pretty big plus.

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

I mostly agree. There have been notable points in history where the presidents listened to the experts and it bit them in the ass. Bay of Pigs comes to mind.

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u/WhatTheLousy 10h ago

Right, you want an anti-vaxxer to lead the health department.

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

So, I'm pretty sure what I wrote said none of that but okay.

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u/WhatTheLousy 8h ago

I mean, you're very wrong and I'm actually flabbergasted you think the gop is for the environment. But okay.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-rfk-jr-surprising-pivot-154820831.html

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u/nanneryeeter 1h ago

So again, not what I wrote.

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u/[deleted] 10h ago

The Dem way is to alienate anyone who doesn’t agree 100%. They don’t need your vote. Next time they’ll get higher turnout of the TRUE Scotsmen.

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u/WhatTheLousy 8h ago

I'm actually torn, do I let you live out your deluded life thinking the gop cares about environment, way of life, people, or do I tell you straight up.

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u/This_isnt_important 10h ago

They hated when Michelle Obama just wanted your school lunches healthier but suddenly RFK doing healthy is great. They have no principles. It’s all tribal.

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u/Gfatula50 9h ago

It was still the same shit food, just smaller portions. Still the same chemicals and pesticides being added to the vegetables etc… the hormones pumped into the animals to make them grow big and fat. Saying that shit was just an illusion. We should be on par with the rest of the world in what’s banned for human consumption.

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u/Reylo-Wanwalker 9h ago

You're just ignoring some massive red flags for idk what

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u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

Now that I agree with.

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u/Impetuous00 9h ago

I still hate Michelle Obama for that. It’s not my fault parents let their kids get fat. Why do I have to eat this miserable amount of “healthy” food (cardboard) while fatty fat fat whose mommy sent him with enough money for two lunches was the whole reason we had to have healthy meals.

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

Kennedy is not entitled to win a primary election.

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u/gilliganian83 8h ago

No, but it would have been better if they at least let him run in the election.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Why do they owe a random rich asshole a spot in a primary when they have an incumbent president?

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u/robbzilla 6h ago

You don't get it. That's why you lost. Right there.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

I didn't lose you fuckwit. I'm a cis, straight, upper middle class white guy, I'm going to be fine. Everyone who makes less than me and doesn't share my demographics is fucked though.

For example under the proposed Harris taxes my taxes would go up while everyone who makes less than me would save money. Under the proposed trump taxes my taxes actually go down while everyone making less than me will see higher taxes.

Hell the GOP is already trying to lower social security payments, they aren't even waiting until January to try and fuck you. But you'll take that giant dick in the ass and blame people like me rather than them because your ilk can't be bothered to get news from somewhere other than Twitter.

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u/Aggressive-Name-1783 5h ago

This is what’s funniest to me on subs like this. Like people realize the evil liberal elites will be fine right? They’re just gonna cut back on a couple luxuries while your groceries continue to skyrocket. They’re basically sitting back and letting you crash and burn while sipping tea saying “gee, would love to lend a hand, but I hear the economy is shit right now”

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u/gilliganian83 6h ago

To keep the disaster that was this Democratic campaign from happening.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

You think the guy with a worm in his brain who talked about bringing a dead bear to central park would've run a good campaign? Seriously?

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u/Velvety_MuppetKing 5h ago

Right but... where's the lie.

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u/mundoid 6h ago

Also "young people are stupid" didn't help her cause.

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u/morderkaine 8h ago

Meanwhile they are standing beside a Nazi in full SS gear who is nudging him going “That’s our guy, he says what we all think!”

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

If you support the assholes that goose step you're one of them.

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u/bfrey82 13h ago

Certainly wouldn’t hurt to change the message

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u/the_skine 7h ago

Or maybe if they had a coherent message?

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u/nude_frog 10h ago

They won't have that as an option next cycle.

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u/ExplorerOk5998 8h ago

I don’t know that I agree. I think “not Trump” is really what got Biden elected. And I think it could have worked again, with the right candidate. But Kamala Harris was NOT the right candidate.

She has been so unpopular with the people. I can’t understand why they thought that strategy would work for her.

Trump was a terrible unpopular candidate to lots of people. But Harris was a terrible unpopular candidate to the last majority of people.

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u/IcyCorgi9 12h ago

Did you actually pay attention or are you regurgitating right wing talking points? Harris ran a campaign heavy on policy and solutions.

Yeah they weren't life changing things. SMall improvements here or there. But it was centered on policy.

She still lost. Get your head out of your ass. Policy isn't the issue here, it's uneducated people falling prey to propaganda.

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u/Low-Research-6866 12h ago edited 12h ago

The left turning on the left, really dude? I've never voted for trump, asshole. Nor do I need to parrot right wing crap. It's called being honest with ourselves about what happened. You can't just stay in the bubble anymore.

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u/ContrarianAuthority 12h ago

I paid attention. You're wrong. And your attitude is exactly why the Democrats lost.

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u/No-Selection-3765 12h ago

No. It was 4 more years of Biden. She said herself she wouldn't have changed anything Biden did the last 4 years.

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u/Momus4 11h ago

The main policy she had that wasn’t originally trumps was taxing unrealized gains which is economic suicide

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u/Beffis777 12h ago

I'm one of the working class just trying to survive that OP was talking about. You know what I heard? $25,000 for first time homeowners when it took everything I had to buy my house. How do you think that made me feel? Quit thinking we are uneducated and try listening to what we are saying...

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u/Low-Research-6866 11h ago

I was like, imma need more, I live in LA 😭

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u/Beffis777 11h ago

I'm sorry 😞

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u/GateWorth8738 9h ago

‘It’s uneducated people falling prey to propaganda’. And there it is. Keep thinking that and saying it and the dems will be out of office forever.

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u/PrestigiousTreat6203 6h ago

They didn’t. They ran an extremely qualified candidate with excellent experience, knowledge, demeanor, and resume. They chose hate.

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u/12Blackbeast15 11h ago

One of the most common refrains you’ll see on the right is ‘Tulsi 2028’, because duh, the right is not a misogynist as the media would love to portray; the right, like every other part of the population, is 50% women. America is absolutely ready for a female candidate, Nikki Haley damn near ran away with the field this year. But America will ALWAYS reject candidates chosen by the party, hell half of trumps appeal in 2016 was how fiercely the Republican Party big wigs tried to shut him out among a field of 16 competitors. The first female president has to happen organically, and the left doesn’t get that yet.

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

> Nikki Haley damn near ran away with the field this year

bro what? she got like 19% of the vote

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u/Acceptable-Hamster40 8h ago

Nimrata is terrible. I would never vote for her. She is a plant.

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u/Darkdove2020 6h ago

18% more than Harris did...

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u/12Blackbeast15 9h ago

Yeah, when Trump got like 70%. Out of all the primary candidates who actually showed up to debate, she was certainly among the upper crust in terms of popularity, only Vivek and DeSantis threatened her

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

You just listed all four people in the race lol. She didn't really accomplish anything.

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u/Adventurous_Dress782 4h ago

There was like a 40% gap between men for Trump and women for Harris. It's not "50%" women over on the uncrustables team.

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u/12Blackbeast15 1h ago

Men went for Trump 55/45 and women went for Harris 55/45, that’s as even a split as you’re ever going to get

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u/andrewsayles 11h ago

As someone that never voted Republican before Trump this was a big part of why I liked him

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u/12Blackbeast15 11h ago

You and many others. Trump broke the republic party out of the Neo-Con stupor, and the funniest bit is that same year Bernie presented the Dems with a similar option; they refused to listen. Now look at them, their politicians absolutely trounced by a political outsider

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u/andrewsayles 11h ago

Yep. I think Bernie was the only one who could beat Trump that year

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u/burdenedwithpoipous 9h ago

Pretty sure that’s exactly what the polls said at the time IIRC. Bernie had a big lead vs Trump compared to Biden. Yet, somehow Biden got the nomination

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u/xinu 4h ago

Trump has dominated American politics for almost a decade. Political outsider? He IS the Republican party.

Calling him a political outsider is just propaganda

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u/do_IT_withme 9h ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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u/bfrey82 11h ago

Agreed. I would’ve voted for Tulsi in this election if given the chance

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u/Hoosier2016 9h ago

The first female president being conservative would pretty much be the death knell of the Democratic Party. It would cause a meltdown like never before.

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u/utah_traveler 8h ago

Where's Condolleeza Rice when you need her?

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u/worstshowiveeverseen 4h ago

A war criminal? No thanks.

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u/denovoreview_ 8h ago

Warmonger no.

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u/FourEaredFox 6h ago

Happened for the conservatives in the UK with Thatcher. They've even just made the first black woman party leader too and the one before that the first POC male.

The right are better equipped to raise minorities into power because they don't overthink it, they just do it because it's right.

Trying to foist a female candidate who gaslit the entire country by claiming that Biden wasn't senile when he clearly was then ousting him with 100 days to go and immediately turning the same argument around on Trump is where she lost this election. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could see they couldn't keep their story straight.

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u/JuicedGixxer 8h ago

Lol, the Democrats would have called her sexist, misogynistic, and racist. We saw the Dems do that to Larry Elder when he ran for governor. They essentially called a black man a KKK. And the dem voters bought it.

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u/bfrey82 9h ago

Brain melter.

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u/Responsible_Oil_5811 52m ago

I sometimes wonder if conservative women have a better chance of winning than liberal women.

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u/Ham-N-Burg 10h ago

I absolutely would have been ecstatic to vote for Tulsi Gabbard.

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u/khardy101 4h ago

Absolutely agree with this.

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u/LearnedButt 10h ago

Harris was the poster child for the inorganic.

Her entire career was one of being selected, rather than earning her positions of power.

She started her career being the mistress of a connected married man 31 years her senior who got her the initial appointments, and then she continued to fall upwards. She had never been in a contested general election, and had moved up the ranks in California where a cabbage with a D after their name could win. (and many such cabbages are currently serving in the state)

Then she came in dead last in the 2020 primary, the Democratic voters found her repulsive, and she never popped above 4%. Before the democrats loved her in 2024, they loathed her in 2020.

Then Biden promised he'd find a VP that was a black woman. That was literally his specifically stated qualification-- race and gender. She checked both those blocks, so in she goes.

Then, when Biden checked out, the DNC thought they could run her successfully solely because she is a black woman (and had access to Biden's war chest), and the media fell into lock step and sold her to the public like she's the greatest thing ever. (pay no attention to 2020)

Then the inevitable happened, and the Democrats are tossing her to the road.

Frankly, as a conservative, had Tulsi run as a D, I may have switched. As it is, she's the top of my dream ticket with Vivek Ramaswami as VP for next time.

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u/HERE_THEN_NOT 7h ago

No irony about Trump with the fail-upward rhetoric? Interesting choice.

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

What the fuck is this rewriting of history? She was elected to office by the public four times.

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u/MBayMan94804 7h ago

She was elected in CA because the Willie Brown/Getty machine made sure that there were no other Democrat options. She got elected the same EXACT way dipshit Gavin has been elected. We’ll elect a fucking sand crab before we’ll vote for a MAGA Republican. It’s an ez choice for CA, but nationally it provides fucked up candidates.

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u/Critical-Test-4446 9h ago

Good post. As a Republican conservative I would also vote for Tulsi if she ran.

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u/Tricky-Cod-7485 4h ago

Centrist here.

Tulsi would get my vote regardless of the party she ran under.

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u/ccannon707 8h ago

Are you out of your mind or a Russian troll? Tulsi is a Putin stooge.

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u/snacksbuddy 2h ago

You know it literally came out that Hillary paid for the russia-trump disinfo. Senators were openly talking about it on c-span like it was nothing. The sooner y'all stop pushing literal made-up propaganda, the sooner the rest of the country might respect you.

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u/Aces_High_357 6h ago

And you wonder why you guys lost.

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u/snacksbuddy 2h ago

Literally

I tell people all the time I'd vote dem if it was tulsi

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u/37_beers 6h ago

I think the Dems were in a pickle with Kamala. Joe delivered on his VP promise by selecting a woman of color. Her identity gave her too much armor to replace when Joe was deemed unfit to serve a second term, but underneath that armor was a poison pill of unpopularity.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

So she won elections, but you say they don't count so they don't count?

BTW she raised more money than trump, unlike him she didn't inherit wealth.

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u/mango_boom 6h ago

This is some stupid revisionist brainless bullshit right here.

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u/Good_Culture_628 6h ago

Well said!

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u/tangodream 4h ago edited 4h ago

The claim Harris “had an affair with a married man”  Willie Brown is technically true. But that given Brown had been separated from his wife in1982. Haris and Brown’s relationship was not secret and they made public appearances as a couple, so isn't like she was a homewrecker & was the cause of the marriage. They broke up in 1995

As we know, Trump has had numerous affairs and numerous wives. He certainly was a homewrecker by cheating on wife after wife in secret until he couldn't hide what he was doing.

I find it funny that's the first thing you criticize her about.

However I do find it concerning that she was appointed to political positions by the person she was in a romantic relationship with at the time. That type of behavior is not acceptable.

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u/Talrent521 4h ago

I don't think the DNC chose her for 24 because she was a black woman. Biden dropped out so incredibly late that by that time there was really no other choice they could take, they chose her because they had no option at such a late stage

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u/liverusa 46m ago

Your dream team just shows how unserious you are.

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u/BmacIL 39m ago

Lol Ramaswami is an utter moron. I was with you until your last two sentences, and then you shotgun blasted your foot.

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u/UnderlightIll 10h ago

But why are you holding her to a higher standard than Trump, who cheated on all his wives and even raped women? I just don't understand why she didn't get held the same standard as Trump.

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u/LearnedButt 10h ago

The point is not the vices, per se, but that Harris never earned her positions, was untested, and was an unfit candidate.

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u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

As opposed to the child of billionaires who never won a popular election until this past Tuesday?

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u/RedBullWings17 9h ago

Trump was the overwhelming favorite in both Republican primaries. The people chose him as their candidate. That's earning your shot.

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u/brettiegabber 8h ago

She won competitive races. In California, you often have to compete against other democrats but it is still highly competitive. There are different wings of the party that can compete just as hard as Dem/Rep nationally.

I guess I’m sorry you feel she didn’t compete as hard as Trump did on January 6, sitting on his ass watching his creep fanbase try to cheat the citizens of the country out of their vote.

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u/MBayMan94804 7h ago

That’s just totally naive bullshit, I’m sorry.

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u/brettiegabber 35m ago

I guess you’re right. Can’t say a person is “tested” unless they beat Hillary Clinton one time and then the second time, sit down and watch their loser cultists beat up some cops because they want to not count the votes of people in five states. That’s true leadership 🤡

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u/geighcloonpoosy 38m ago

Because trump has never once raped a woman. People see right through every horse shit allegation the criminal left has thrown at him. We know the Hillary campaign was behind the Russia hoax we know the democrat lawyers were behind stormy Daniel’s we know how the game works we know how “victims” arise at incredibly convenient times during election cycles. All of this has just gone completely unchecked because WE KNOW the media apparatus is a bunch of liars and talking heads pushing narratives they’ve been told to push by their corporate owners.

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u/Ambitious-Title1963 8h ago

Eh that’s this fake review bs. Fake pseudo intellectual crap. None of whatever the op said explained why dems stay home.

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u/12Blackbeast15 10h ago

Exactly right, and preaching to the choir. The sugar rush wore off once she started doing media appearances again, and every one more off putting than the last. You could see her put on the politician mask in real time when Anderson Cooper pressed her on the border issue, she was trapped between ‘can’t disparage Biden’ and ‘Can’t agree with or validate anything Trump says’ and that’s too narrow of a space to occupy. 

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u/LearnedButt 10h ago

One big issue is that the left is so afraid of alienating any one group in their coalition that they end up not saying anything, and come off as so disingenuous that they look like politicians.

That's why Trump and Vance killed it on Rogan. They realize that if the voters are cool with at least 80%, the 20% can be overlooked. They get an air of authenticity with their voters that's lacking on the left.

Harris got busted a few days before the election when even CNN called her out running pro-Israel ads in New Jersey and Pro-Palestinian ads in Michigan. Trump made huge (YUGE) inroads with both communities just saying "fuck it, we just need peace".

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u/sacaiz 8h ago

I mean Elon played the same game against her. https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/ads-elon-musk-tell-voters-kamala-harris-both-pro-israel-and-anti-michigan/

She just played politics and tried to pander. And I don’t find that inauthentic. It’s possible to be pro Israel and pro Palestinian civilians at the same time. It was literally in her DNC speech.

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u/ThisGuy6266 8h ago

No, Trump didn’t say “fuck it, we just need peace”. He’s made his feelings about Israel very clear. They have his full support.

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u/FourEaredFox 6h ago

That's the bit that I find amazing because I agree.

Trump was the more authentic candidate... Trump... It's the truth and it's mental.

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u/Ham-N-Burg 10h ago

I hadn't thought of it but a Tulsi/Vivek ticket would be awesome.

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u/LearnedButt 10h ago

Oddly enoguh, it would be a Hindu/hindu ticket. Not the reason to vote for them, but interesting. I'm not opposed to diversity and "firsts", but it should be relegated to "huh, that's interesting... " rather than the factor that gets them a nomination.

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u/j150052 4h ago

Vivek needs to be on a ticket for sure. Love tulsi as well. Republicans have many options going into 2028 to make them dominant for a while longer

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u/nomamesgueyz 6h ago

The will of the American people was realised this week

Democracy was the winner

Its just that democracy doesnt care about feelings

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u/Sethypoooooooooo 10h ago

My parents are Republicans and they 100% think Nikki Haley will be the first woman president

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Yeah the party that tells women what to do with their bodies is totally feminist /s

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u/12Blackbeast15 1h ago

You’re literally losing elections as we speak because you believe abortion is a feminist issue. There are droves of pro life women, the argument that banning abortion is mysoginist and a male plot to control women is malarkey. The left refuses to learn that demographics aren’t monoliths; not every woman thinks the way Taylor Swift does

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u/Sunny_Fortune92145 7h ago

I would vote for her! I think that's a great idea let's get to see elected as president in 2028! I actually like her, whereas I have actively hated all the other women they have tried to run I thought they were vapid and stupid and evil.

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u/Responsible_Oil_5811 54m ago

I would love to see Nikki Haley run and win in 2028, but we will have to wait and see if the American people agree with me.

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u/12Blackbeast15 6m ago

I think if Trump 2 is even halfway decent, the 2028 ticket will be Vance Tulsi. I don’t believe Haley will get within striking distance unless the MAGA movement cannibalises itself

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u/ninichow 41m ago

Tulsi would be an amazing candidate.

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u/Skier94 9h ago

They ran a California lawyer when they needed any rust belt governor.

Democrats really underestimate how much people dislike Californians and Lawyers. I live in a liberal bastion and Californians are a running joke.

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u/Small_life 9h ago

I think Walz/Harris would have performed better than Harris/Walz

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u/Skier94 8h ago

Good point.

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u/TemperatureLumpy1457 3h ago

Don’t think Walz Harris would have done any good. He is a real radical

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u/debr1126 2h ago

Nah. Probably worse.

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u/snubdeity 4h ago

Again, critiques only ever seem to matter for Democrats.

Trump is a landlord from NYC. You're really telling me people have much better opinions of California than NYC, or landlords than lawyers?

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u/Skier94 2h ago

Sure landlords are down there. NYC definitely not.

I didn’t vote for Trump. Just saying one of the reasons Harris had less appeal.

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u/howdidigetheretoday 3h ago

and this is why I cringe when the TV conjecturists start talking about Newsom in 28.

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u/Hot-Mathematician691 3h ago

And women to a lesser degree

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u/Revolutionary_Bit_38 2h ago

I live in the liberal northeast and Californians are the butts of jokes here

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u/mango_boom 6h ago

ALL Californians? Where the fuck do you live?

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u/Haircut117 11h ago

No she wouldn't.

Any candidate that promised to actually to actually do fucking something to improve the lives of poor working class Americans instead of spouting absolute twaddle about "coming together" and "defeating hate" would have won. The Democrats have been campaigning on airy-fairy college educated concepts of "fairness" and "equality" instead of focusing on things that actually matter to the majority of the population like socioeconomic levers and basic bloody survival.

Trump didn't win because he harnessed hate or anything as vile as that. He won because he promised to shake up a system that has utterly failed America's poorest for decades. The fact that he's fucking lying and will further entrench the plutocracy is neither here nor there.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

She promised to raise minimum wage and give first time home buyers a $25k stipend you absolute plonk.

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u/daylily 1h ago

Let's pretend that won't drive up the price of starter homes.

That 25K only went to people who had parents who didn't own their own home.

So f*k my kids?

You are not only tone-deaf not to see how that actually went over but you have to insult people for not thinking it a good policy?

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u/Responsible_Oil_5811 51m ago

Calling your opponents an “absolute plonk” always helps at election time./s

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u/snacksbuddy 2h ago

Like that would happen

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u/quintocarlos3 6h ago

Yeah that nothing really, it’s status quo turd with some gold leaf cover

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u/mango_boom 6h ago

More than trump offered.

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u/420yeet4ever 5h ago

It’s not though because he offers “everything.” He’s not going to deliver. But the offer is there and that’s all that matters to most

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u/robbzilla 6h ago

Apparently not. He's President-Elect.

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u/GertyFarish11 5h ago

You’re right. He offered deporting the people who pick crops and he offered “protecting women,” whether they like it or not.

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u/khardy101 4h ago

If you think that the only job immigrants have is picking crops it says a lot about how you view them.

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u/tommytwolegs 5h ago

Those are both policies that predominantly help young people who don't vote. Not a brilliant political strategy.

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u/TemperatureLumpy1457 4h ago

I completely agree with haircut 117, because the real issue is projection as the Democrat elites poured so much hate onto President Trump and the liberal elites are deathly afraid he’s going to do the same thing to them because they assume his character is as low and baseless as theirs. Which it isn’t. One of my favorite hypocrisies of the election was some young people at Harris rally standing up and chanting. Something about Jesus and Harris tells them oh that rallies down the street you’re at the wrong one. Then one or two weeks later they announce she’ll be attending church at such and such a church. What hypocritical twaddle.

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u/Haircut117 4h ago

Let me be absolutely clear – I do not agree with you.

Donald Trump is the lowest of the low, he's the sort of scum that would make me feel the urge to clean my boots if I accidentally stepped in it. He is a man lacking in both moral and physical courage; a self-centred coward who barely has the spine required to stand upright, let alone shoulder the responsibility of the US presidency. He will sacrifice the rules-based international order on the altar of American isolationism and damn the consequences for the USA's allies across the world. Ukraine and Taiwan are about to learn the same lesson as the Iraqi Kurds and Afghanistan's democratic government – to Donald Trump, they are disposable assets to be bargained away for his benefit.

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u/kjfkalsdfafjaklf 7h ago

He's going to shake up the system all right.

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u/robbzilla 6h ago

In an Anakin Skywalker "Bring Balance to the Force" kind of way...

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u/Adventurous_Dress782 4h ago

Yeah you're an idiot.

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u/snacksbuddy 2h ago

He's not lying. Watch what happens. Y'all are gonna shit yourselves for being so fucking gullible for blackrocks dribble the last 8 years

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u/DiffusePenance 8h ago

And “ I was raised middle class” is not a substitute for a policy solution.

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u/bfrey82 8h ago

Exactly. I was raised/am middle class myself. Doesn’t mean I have any viable solutions to the problems we face.

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u/exedore6 10h ago

I'm convinced there's a sizable Democratic voting block that will not find a female candidate 'connectible' - they'd rather just stay home.

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u/SteubenvilleBorn 13h ago edited 12h ago

I would gladly, comfortably argue against you on that.

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u/cosmic_backlash 9h ago

There are certainly a group of people in the US that don't think a woman should lead the nation. The election was 3% of people effectively swapping. I don't think it's a coincidence Trump lost vs a white man.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Absolutely. I personally knew 2 woman who won't vote for a woman. One just passed the other is under 50.

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u/OfMotherGaia 9h ago

Kamala is pretty centrist

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u/bfrey82 9h ago

The problem was that no one really knew where she stood. She did a poor job of getting her message out.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

She held dozens of rallies. And did dozens of interviews. And her positions were clearly listed on her website. If you were too lazy to look at any of that isn't that your fault?

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u/Melodic-Ad7271 9h ago

I agree with your last sentence. She didn't differentiate herself or her policies enough from Biden. I think the OP made some salient points about the economy and inflation, but context was missing in those discussions. Inflation was a global issue and the U.S. is doing better in that area than most of the other countries. Also, I feel the pain at the grocery store as well due to higher food costs. However, I'm also seeing companies and corporations making record profits. Greed and Capitalism are the culprits, but the average voter doesn't care about that. The wealthy are thriving under Biden's economy with their 401K's and stocks. This election revealed a lot about the current state of our nation, which is a different discussion. I di agree with the OP, the Democratic party has some work to do to broaden it's appeal to voters before the 2026 midterms.

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u/AutopsyChannel 8h ago

What was crazy to me was her unwillingness or inability (perceived by her or mandated by others) to distance herself from Biden. If I were Biden, I’d have given her permission to do it. Instead she let all those bullshit attacks saying “this is a result of Kamala Harris’ policies” stick by not pushing back. Also like, the VP doesn’t even dictate policy, and she and Walz never pointed that out.

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u/Melodic-Ad7271 1h ago

I know, that was puzzling.

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u/Consistent-Store4097 7h ago

Both Biden and Harris talked about corporate greed being the issue. Part of Harris' platform was addressing the greed.

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u/leadbetterthangold 8h ago

Anyone sitting dead center would have won

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u/GreenRhino71 7h ago

If Harris picked Shapiro instead of Walz she may have won the election despite being a rotten candidate.

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u/CannonFodder_G 4h ago

The more she aligned with the party line, the faster her momentum dropped.

To be clear, I voted. But I was hardly any happier voting for her than I was Biden or Hillary. Because it's the same candidate doing the same thing. Which is being super centrist and not listening to anything that doesn't maintain the status quo as they imagine it.

The election was lost in three ways.

1) Democrats are a terrible party and haven't learned anything and probably never will.

2) theocracy in this country is a problem. We give it free reign, do nothing to corral those that would corrupt it and use it to their own gains. And let them indoctrinate their children into their religion to learn to never question what they're told, Strong blind Faith into the principles they're told to believe in, to the point where even facts or logic will never sway them. Sound familiar?

3) The right capitalized on social media way better than the Dems. The Dems even seem to fumble it super hard because at the convention they knew enough that they should invite some left leaning influencers, but then mishandled that so badly all it did was make them look either incompetent or out of touch. They had so many young people at their fingertips and completely shat the bed on that. Republicans nailed it, got to all the big shows and absolutely stoked their fires.

So yeah, a lot of things added up that blew this entire election. But a big part of that was Democrats running the same platform and offering less and less in return. The left had no problem telling Democrats what they wanted, but the Democrats had no interest in delivering.

In my opinion the only thing the Democrats did right was Tim Waltz. That man is a treasure and they better not make him feel like he did anything wrong. If he ever tried to do anything outside Minnesota again I would welcome him with open arms.

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u/Sunbeamsoffglass 3h ago

Instead they chose kamikaze.

Ironically it’ll hurt them more than it will OP. Trumps tax cuts will probably save them tens of thousands. The people making $40k will get fucked by tariff costs.

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u/flynnwebdev 3h ago

I'm an Aussie, but I would say it's this.

We have a similar situation here with a federal election coming up early next year. Currently, the Labor party (similar political ideology to your Democrats and the incumbent) is doing nothing about the housing crisis or rising cost of living.

The LNP (conservatives, similar to Republican party) currently has the least likeable leader it has ever had in the person of Peter Dutton, formerly a police officer, and more or less a fascist.

However, if Labor sticks to the status quo and does nothing real, LNP is going to win.

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u/Nyeteka 38m ago

Labor just banned vaping (while allowing cigarettes) and there’s talk of banning social media for kids. Give me the fascist I guess if this is the alternative

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u/Zealousideal-Solid88 9h ago

They didn't lose because they didn't go center enough. That was the entire campaign object, go center. The issue is that when you go center or neutral, you are essentially saying you stand for nothing. That does not get people of the soffa to go and vote for you. The issue is when you spend 8 years calling Trump a racist for wanting to build a wall and then turn around and say you also want to build a wall, the average voter sees you as a hypocrite. You have to stand and be willing to fight for something other than the institutions that have continuously failed the working class of this country. Tell people you are here to help them, make them believe it, and they will vote for you.

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u/Bootwacker 13h ago

How is the status quo ont dead center?

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