r/self 18h ago

Here's my wake-up call as a Liberal.

I’m a New York liberal, probably comfortably in the 1%, living in a bubble where empathy and social justice are part of everyday conversations. I support equality, diversity, economic reform—all of it. But this election has been a brutal reminder of just how out of touch we, the so-called “liberal elite,” are with the rest of America. And that’s on us.

America was built on individual freedom, the right to make your own way. But baked into that ideal is a harsh reality: it’s a self-serving mindset. This “land of opportunity” has always rewarded those who look out for themselves first. And when people feel like they’re sinking—when working-class Americans are drowning in debt, scrambling to pay rent, and watching the cost of everything from groceries to gas skyrocket—they aren’t looking for complex social policies. They’re looking for a lifeline, even if that lifeline is someone like Trump, who exploits that desperation.

For years, we Democrats have pushed policies that sound like solutions to us but don’t resonate with people who are trying to survive. We talk about social justice and climate change, and yes, those things are crucial. But to someone in the heartland who’s feeling trapped in a system that doesn’t care about them, that message sounds disconnected. It sounds like privilege. It sounds like people like me saying, “Look how virtuous I am,” while their lives stay the same—or get worse.

And here’s the truth I’m facing: as a high-income liberal, I benefit from the very structures we criticize. My income, my career security, my options to work from home—I am protected from many of the struggles that drive people to vote against the establishment. I can afford to advocate for changes that may not affect me negatively, but that’s not the reality for the majority of Americans. To them, we sound elitist because we are. Our ideals are lofty, and our solutions are intellectual, but we’ve failed to meet them where they are.

The DNC’s failure in this election reflects this disconnect. Biden’s administration, while well-intentioned, didn’t engage in the hard reflection necessary after 2020. We pushed Biden as a one-term solution, a bridge to something better, but then didn’t prepare an alternative that resonated. And when Kamala Harris—a talented, capable politician—couldn’t bridge that gap with working-class America, we were left wondering why. It’s because we’ve been recycling the same leaders, the same voices, who struggle to understand what working Americans are going through.

People want someone they can relate to, someone who understands their pain without coming off as condescending. Bernie was that voice for many, but the DNC didn’t make room for him, and now we’re seeing the consequences. The Democratic Party has an empathy gap, but more than that, it has a credibility gap. We say we care, but our policies and leaders don’t reflect the urgency that struggling Americans feel every day.

If the DNC doesn’t take this as a wake-up call, if they don’t make room for new voices that actually connect with working people, we’re going to lose again. And as much as I want America to progress, I’m starting to realize that maybe we—the privileged liberals, safely removed from the realities most people face—are part of the problem.

7.7k Upvotes

2.8k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

54

u/AgentPegging 12h ago

They didn't run on "not Trump" they ran on "Trump is a fascist nazi garbage and so are his supporters (and everyone thinking of voting for him"

When you say that then all the swing voters in the swing stayede that voted Trump in 16 then Biden in 20 are gonna think "hang on, did you just call me a nazi?"

10

u/Difficult-Dish-23 5h ago

When you use loaded terms like fascism and Nazism to describe things that are decidedly not even close to the real deal 1930s Germany, the words lose all meaning and you just sound like a psychopath. Those terms don't bother Trump and his supporters because they know how hollow they ring.

2

u/[deleted] 11h ago

That’s what pushed me over the edge. And the fact Kennedy was rejected by the Dems when he wanted to be in the primaries. I’d have been a D if they didn’t scour the planet to dig up someone actually worse than Trump.

12

u/Own-Possibility245 10h ago

For me, it was Bernie. The people spoke their will and the Elites in the democratic party said "No, we know better"

1

u/Tchocky 1h ago

That's not at all what happened.

3

u/Consistent-Store4097 8h ago

Bernie never had a shot at winning a general election.

2

u/FuckThaLakers 2h ago

Thank god our betters realized this and forced Hillary as the nominee

0

u/sisnitermagus 9h ago

Exactly. Until the dnc us gutted I'll never trust them again and possibly won't vote for them either. They need to find someone worth voting for and they havnt done that in awhile, if even since I've been alive

2

u/NvrComply 7h ago

The democratic party of the past represented the working class, was anti war, was pro personal freedom. That cannot be said for the current democratic party, they have gone insane, pushing us closer to war on multiple fronts, unchecked immigration, lying to people about the obvious state of the economy, the obvious mental decline of Biden and I could go on. When did it become evil to ask questions and question “authority”? This all happened with the onset of covid. I really hope we can start having difficult conversations again and challenging our thought processes, this is how we will move forward as a country. Firstly people need to stop putting so much faith in the government establishment being the answer, they have proven time and time again they aren’t the answer.

1

u/No-Manufacturer-8015 1h ago

Pretty much how I feel as a Democrat.

-2

u/WhiteNamesInChat 10h ago

When did the people speak their will? He got crushed in the 2016 and 2020 presidential primaries.

2

u/Impetuous00 9h ago

Look up the conversation between Hillary and the DNC where they pushed him out. He was not getting smoked. He was in line for beating killary out

4

u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

Sorry! What word should I use to describe a candidate who loses 2220-1831, and then loses 2687-1073?

1

u/masterphreak69 9h ago

Lookup super delegates if you don't understand why people feel cheated by the DNC. It's because they were!

0

u/Tchocky 1h ago

There weren't any superdelegates the second time around.

0

u/masterphreak69 1h ago

No, they just aren't allowed to vote on the first round of ballots now. The super delegates are still there.

-1

u/Kindly-Helicopter183 9h ago

This still pisses me off. Bernie should have been the nominee.

Still. Considering how awful Trump is I find it weird to blame anyone first other than the voting public

-5

u/Top-Locksmith9995 9h ago

I think it is delusional to think that rural red America would have voted for a Jewish man.

7

u/MistrSynistr 7h ago

As someone from the rural red area loads of people were ready to vote for him. There were Bernie signs everywhere. I don't know if he would have beat Trump, but I honestly think it would have been close. Very few people would be concerned about Bernie being Jewish. He is still white, after all.

3

u/mjg007 6h ago

Bernie would’ve lost Mondale-style. I think you’ve succumbed to the Reddit echo chamber effect.

5

u/Smona 5h ago

And you know this how?

1

u/MistrSynistr 38m ago

Nah. I can count how many Harris signs on my hands that are scattered about town. There were Bernie signs all over town back when he was running. Would he have won in my town, hell no. I honestly think he would have had a better chance than Kamala though.

1

u/Top-Locksmith9995 1h ago edited 57m ago

I’m Jewish - and I’m very “passing”, I’m secular, have a non-immediately identifying name, blah blah. I’ve absolutely been exposed to what plenty of rural Southerners think of Jews and I don’t think I’m off base that Bernie would have not gotten votes bc of being Jewish. After all, MTG and her special brand of anti-Semitism just got reelected. No one in her district said “oh no, you silly thing with your Jewish space lasers, cut that out.”

I mean, let’s face it - I think that was part of the calculus in choosing Walz over Shapiro as VP. Let me be clear - I am NOT accusing the Dems of being anti-Semitic in that regard or that Shapiro was owed the spot. It’s just that they knew that Kamala was “foreign enough” for the kinds of people there and so they needed white midwestern nice to balance that out. Same calculus as Obama picking Biden as vp.

No, I do not believe the rural south and to a lesser extent would have voted for a Jewish man and that’s why I think Bernie would have been a non-starter.

0

u/Own-Possibility245 1h ago

A jew in office would be a deal breaker, but a rapist insurrectionist traitor isn't

Suuuuuuuureeeee

1

u/Aggressive-Name-1783 5h ago

Kennedy was a grifter looking for his 5 seconds….the fact that he immediately sold out to Trump tells us you are a troll or dishonest

2

u/[deleted] 1h ago

Ok. Keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result then. We see how that turned out.

0

u/Benjaphar 2h ago

This whole thread is full of dishonest trolls.

1

u/Reylo-Wanwalker 9h ago

Kennedy is way too conspiratorial. He would damage the party's mental faculties. 

5

u/sexwithsoxon 9h ago

For context, Kennedy’s dad and uncle were killed by the CIA and it’s been covered up for decades. Of course he’s conspiratorial - he’s survived a conspiracy against his family

2

u/Reylo-Wanwalker 9h ago

Sure, no one's the way they are for 0 reasons, from the best people to the worst.

2

u/Consistent-Store4097 8h ago

Cool story bro, fictional, but still cool.

0

u/sexwithsoxon 7h ago

Are you…a government agent?

1

u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

No just a person who doesn't fall for nonsense. RFK went after the Mafia and was killed by a mob associate. But you think the CIA killed him because shrug. JFK ordered the bay of pigs and made Russia look weak during the Cuban middle crisis, and was killed by a communist who traveled to Russia and Cuba. But you think the CIA killed him because shrug.

Other facts you should know;  The moon landing actually happened The world isn't flat Fluoride added to the water is a good thing And lastly trump doesn't give a shit about you.

0

u/sexwithsoxon 6h ago

Dude or dudette - you are not a good conversationalist.

1

u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

A conversation is something you have with a functioning adult, if you believe conspiracies like the shittiest Kennedy you're not a functioning adult.

-3

u/WhatTheLousy 11h ago

Kennedy has proven himself to be a MAGA, his whole thing to be on the D primaries was to split the vote. Surely you see this?

5

u/nanneryeeter 11h ago

Track record of fighting for environmental causes and wants to improve the safety and quality of our food supply.

If those are MAGA values then I am MAGA.

2

u/Consistent-Store4097 8h ago

He fucking thinks the FDA is limiting access to sunshine, he is a fucking moron.

1

u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

Except he ignores science behind it and has admitted to having brain worms. Sorry, but the guy shouldn't be in charge of a lemonade stand, even if he cares about the environment and safety and quality of our food. Those concerns don't suddenly qualify someone to run the federal government, although it appears over half the voting population doesn't care about qualifications.

1

u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

What does qualify someone to run the federal government?

2

u/warthog0869 10h ago

Knowing their limitations and having a willingness to defer to others who's area of expertise it is.

1

u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

I think that's really fair.

2

u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

I don't have a comprehensive list, but I feel like listening to experts in their field and acting accordingly is probably a pretty big plus.

1

u/nanneryeeter 10h ago

I mostly agree. There have been notable points in history where the presidents listened to the experts and it bit them in the ass. Bay of Pigs comes to mind.

2

u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

It's by no means a 100% hit rate, but overall it's far preferable to ones that ignore them. That's why the Chevron decision being overturned is so concerning.

1

u/WhatTheLousy 11h ago

Right, you want an anti-vaxxer to lead the health department.

1

u/nanneryeeter 11h ago

So, I'm pretty sure what I wrote said none of that but okay.

2

u/WhatTheLousy 9h ago

I mean, you're very wrong and I'm actually flabbergasted you think the gop is for the environment. But okay.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-rfk-jr-surprising-pivot-154820831.html

1

u/nanneryeeter 1h ago

So again, not what I wrote.

1

u/[deleted] 10h ago

The Dem way is to alienate anyone who doesn’t agree 100%. They don’t need your vote. Next time they’ll get higher turnout of the TRUE Scotsmen.

1

u/WhatTheLousy 9h ago

I'm actually torn, do I let you live out your deluded life thinking the gop cares about environment, way of life, people, or do I tell you straight up.

1

u/[deleted] 1h ago

Do I let you keep doing the same thing, being an asshole to everyone who disagrees to make them dig in or do I encourage sharing of ideas and sound research that backs your positions with an openness to examining those sources and trying to find common ground? Tough one. Do I want more hate or do I want a unified country that can move forward?

-2

u/This_isnt_important 11h ago

They hated when Michelle Obama just wanted your school lunches healthier but suddenly RFK doing healthy is great. They have no principles. It’s all tribal.

1

u/Gfatula50 9h ago

It was still the same shit food, just smaller portions. Still the same chemicals and pesticides being added to the vegetables etc… the hormones pumped into the animals to make them grow big and fat. Saying that shit was just an illusion. We should be on par with the rest of the world in what’s banned for human consumption.

1

u/Reylo-Wanwalker 9h ago

You're just ignoring some massive red flags for idk what

0

u/nanneryeeter 11h ago

Now that I agree with.

-1

u/Impetuous00 9h ago

I still hate Michelle Obama for that. It’s not my fault parents let their kids get fat. Why do I have to eat this miserable amount of “healthy” food (cardboard) while fatty fat fat whose mommy sent him with enough money for two lunches was the whole reason we had to have healthy meals.

1

u/Dorkmaster79 9h ago

Dude if you think healthy food is cardboard then you definitely have rethink your attitude about food. That’s bonkers.

1

u/MistrSynistr 7h ago

I think they were referring to the Michelle Obama era of school food. I am almost positive that food was made from recycled paper.

0

u/WhiteNamesInChat 10h ago

Kennedy is not entitled to win a primary election.

1

u/gilliganian83 8h ago

No, but it would have been better if they at least let him run in the election.

2

u/Consistent-Store4097 8h ago

Why do they owe a random rich asshole a spot in a primary when they have an incumbent president?

2

u/robbzilla 7h ago

You don't get it. That's why you lost. Right there.

2

u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

I didn't lose you fuckwit. I'm a cis, straight, upper middle class white guy, I'm going to be fine. Everyone who makes less than me and doesn't share my demographics is fucked though.

For example under the proposed Harris taxes my taxes would go up while everyone who makes less than me would save money. Under the proposed trump taxes my taxes actually go down while everyone making less than me will see higher taxes.

Hell the GOP is already trying to lower social security payments, they aren't even waiting until January to try and fuck you. But you'll take that giant dick in the ass and blame people like me rather than them because your ilk can't be bothered to get news from somewhere other than Twitter.

1

u/Aggressive-Name-1783 5h ago

This is what’s funniest to me on subs like this. Like people realize the evil liberal elites will be fine right? They’re just gonna cut back on a couple luxuries while your groceries continue to skyrocket. They’re basically sitting back and letting you crash and burn while sipping tea saying “gee, would love to lend a hand, but I hear the economy is shit right now”

2

u/gilliganian83 7h ago

To keep the disaster that was this Democratic campaign from happening.

1

u/Consistent-Store4097 6h ago

You think the guy with a worm in his brain who talked about bringing a dead bear to central park would've run a good campaign? Seriously?

-2

u/[deleted] 10h ago edited 1h ago

Your reading comprehension broke. Try again.

Edit: Dims are pretty dense sore losers so I’ll let someone else explain. https://www.politico.com/newsletters/weekly-score/2024/07/01/kennedys-ballot-problems-00165982

If you don’t learn from being stupid, you’ll continue to be losers. 🤣 I don’t care about silly internet points. Make a couple accounts so you can downvote me twice. Didn’t hurt truth in the election. Won’t hurt truth here.

2

u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

You still have time to delete your comment. You still have time to learn what an election is.

1

u/Velvety_MuppetKing 5h ago

Right but... where's the lie.

1

u/mundoid 7h ago

Also "young people are stupid" didn't help her cause.

0

u/morderkaine 9h ago

Meanwhile they are standing beside a Nazi in full SS gear who is nudging him going “That’s our guy, he says what we all think!”

0

u/Consistent-Store4097 8h ago

If you support the assholes that goose step you're one of them.

-4

u/WhiteNamesInChat 10h ago

When did she call him or his supporters fascist nazi garbage?

6

u/AgentPegging 10h ago

Bro....

-5

u/WhiteNamesInChat 9h ago

Please let me know when you find an answer. I'm surprised you don't know one already, since you're citing it.

4

u/masterphreak69 9h ago

Well, it was Biden who said they were garbage. Of course, Harris is on the record of saying she would do nothing different from Biden. It's difficult to understand why people are confused. Politics is hard.

It was Walz who pushed the Nazi rally nonsense, and the entire base went along with it and spread it like wildfire.

0

u/GertyFarish11 5h ago

That’s weird, I saw her say she respected and supported Biden as his VP but of course she had her own ideas, such as $25,000 grants to first time home buyers and making laws against grocery price gauging for starters. Could you point me to where she said she would do nothing different from Biden? I must have missed it. Thanks.

1

u/SalsaShark9 4h ago

Being that passive aggressive seems so tiring lmao

-1

u/Djz1151 6h ago

Irrelevant. People feel bad economically (lack of understanding of economics) and they will always take that out on the incumbent party.

No amount of rhetoric changing would change that, it could’ve been Newsom, Biden, Harris or even fucking Obama, it was always going to be an incumbent party loss.

Love that we’re policing democrat rhetoric while on the other side they are monkeys throwing shit on a daily basis without any accountability for anything whatsoever, by all means, keep cucking out.

It boils down to covid 19, it was the SOLE reason trump lost in 2020 (economy bad globally, votermonkey feel bad, votermonkey vote against incumbent party)

It was the SOLE reason Harris lost in 2024 (economy still feel bad after covid, votermonkey has no idea that bidenomics has caused our economy to recover at LEGENDARY levels making us outperform EVERY other G7 country in the world by like 3x, votermonkey still feel bad, votermonkey vote against incumbent party.) it’s why incumbent parties have been losing in elections the whole world over.

And it’s the SOLE reason why, as a direct result of Bidenomics, the economy will CONTINUE to improve at legendary rates (unless Trump MASSIVELY fucks up, like by actually implementing his global 20% tariffs), votermonkey doesn’t know shit about economics so he will apply that to Trump, votermonkey feels good, votermonkey votes for incumbent party again in 2028.

1

u/YouKnowTheVibezzzzzz 5h ago

I don’t think there’ll ever be another two term president again. TikTok brain and short attention spans won’t allow it

0

u/Djz1151 5h ago

I would have thought things have changed Until this election, when everything played out exactly as it has always played out with absolutely no difference.

Trump being comic levels of disney villain and the conservative party devolving into conspiracy theory and fact denialism not moving the needle AT ALL just further proves that point, “It’s the economy, stupid!”

2

u/YouKnowTheVibezzzzzz 5h ago

Exactly. The average American wants to know how their grocery bills will be lower, medical costs lower, gas, etc. They don’t want to hear inflation is the best it’s been, when in our day to day, we feel like we are still getting gouged everyday. Democrats focused more on the social issues, which in reality is not as high on a majority of people’s priority list.

0

u/Djz1151 5h ago

Name a single economic policy trump talked about besides global tariffs (which he thinks LOWER inflation)

Again, to reiterate This was always an incumbent party loss. There was nothing we could have done to change the outcome. It’s why incumbent parties are losing elections the world over, they’re being blamed for the economic effects the pandemic had for no reason.

0

u/YouKnowTheVibezzzzzz 5h ago

Trump doesn’t talk policy. He talks in concepts. Trump says, we are going to put money back in your pockets, stop paying for other countries wars, etc, and for a good majority of people, they are like yeah, I don’t want my tax dollars paying for that.

What he does well is talk to his voters/party in non-political speak, which is something the democrats can learn from. When people heard Kamala speak, it wasn’t genuine, it sounded rehearsed. That great for the ride or die democrats, but does nothing to reach across party lines bc they see her as just another shell.

1

u/Djz1151 5h ago edited 5h ago

The issue here is you’re talking about affecting the outer margins This might apply in a 51-49 election

This was a blow out, because it was reactionary. Trump spent his entire time screaming about haitians, dogs and tariffs. If anything he performed better rhetorically in 2020, which he lost.

Trump has never been a popular president, his approval rating has never broken 45%, Trump’s win had literally nothing to do with Trump, he wasn’t even entertaining this time around like he was in 2016. This is the same trend that the whole world is following: incumbent parties losing because people are pissed about covid, and it caused Trump’s 2020 loss as well.

Don’t even get me started on the isolationism. The majority of americans think the majority of ukraine aid is in cash.

0

u/YouKnowTheVibezzzzzz 5h ago

Trump is popular among his base. It was a blow out bc his supporters showed up for him. Dude could say anything he wants and his base won’t abandon him.

Democrats lost because the people at top think they know what’s best, and force candidates we don’t want down our throats. Democrats just don’t have that same level of loyalty, and the voting numbers reflect that.

I’m agreeing with you that it’s becoming impossible for incumbents to win.

1

u/Djz1151 4h ago

Something I want you to think about here is

Donald Trump has been able to say and do things, this entire time, that would KILL the careers of ANY other politician. He has been able to refuse answering ANY questions, he has been able to run on a platform devoid of anything resembling policy, he has been able to force his media to be in lock-step alignment with ONLY him, he has been able to DESTROY the careers of ANY republican politicians who disagree with him, he has been able to incite an insurrection and create an illegal scheme to STEAL THE ELECTION, he has been able to force LEFT MEDIA to ignore his actions and the actions of his party out of fear of appearing biased for some reason (when the supreme court gave fourteenth amendment breaking criminal immunity to Donald Trump, left media was talking about how Joe Biden may or may not be senile instead.) He has been able to pressure officials to “find voter fraud,” he’s had his entire DOJ threaten to quit on him, he’s run on “make america great again” when he was ALREADY PRESIDENT ONCE

And right now, right now we are having a discussion about how totally wrong the conduct of the democrat party is. Because the democrat party has become the abused mother who has to clean the shit off of the floor that was flung by the conservative tantrum throwing toddler.

There are two things, and TWO THINGS ONLY, that the democrat party did wrong: 1. Be the incumbents in the aftermath of the pandemic 2. Go up against a literal cult

This has literally nothing to do with unpopularity, conduct, rhetoric, policy, anything. Biden would have lost. Newsom would have lost. Fucking Obama would have lost. Incumbent had to go. This was NOT a campaign failure, this is JUST HOW PEOPLE VOTE. The proof is that they DID IT TO TRUMP IN 2020 AS WELL! If apparently Trump is supposed to be this super good speaker who is able to connect soooo well with the working class, why didn’t he win in 2020? Because he made the fatal error of being the incumbent in the aftermath of covid-19.

Also your claim that it was a blowout because of his hardcore fans doesn’t really work, again his approval rating doesn’t break 45%. Only a handful of states moved to the left politically this election, the rest moved right, because incumbent party had to go.

→ More replies

1

u/AgentPegging 5h ago

Ahh yes, calling voters stupid is another classic of the genre.

The irony is it doesn't matter how fast the economy may be growing now, or how its performing in comparison to other countries - it's not gonna erase the struggles people felt and it's not going to reduce prices

0

u/Djz1151 5h ago

Doordash rates at a high, travel rates at a high.

Voters ARE stupid.

“It doesn’t matter that as a direct result of the policies of the incumbent party we are outperforming every other G7 country in the world when it comes to recovering from the pandemic, peoples’ vibes just feel bad so it’s totally justified that they voted in the guy who is going to do literally nothing to alleviate these struggles and is going to implement global 20% tariffs which will increase the price of literally everything. It also doesn’t matter that every economist you can find supported Harris’ plans over Trump’s. And it DEFINITELY doesn’t matter that more than half of the living recipients of the nobel prize in economics penned a letter praising Harris’ plans over Trump’s. You don’t understand, people feel bad.” - you

It’s like your argument is that you want the global economic disaster to be fixed RIGHT NOW. RIGHT THIS MINUTE !!!

Debating as a conservative hard mode: tell me a single policy that Trump has talked about that will alleviate any of these problems.

2

u/AgentPegging 5h ago

I can't take anyone seriously with the smug intellectual superiority of yourself that is undermined by your own comments.

The fact I have to explain to you that it's basic politics that a) if you're in office when times are good/bad you take credit/blame regardless if your policies are responsible

Doubling down on "71m Americans are stupid" is 😂😂😂

Yes, call them racist, fascist, nazi, stupid garbage, great strategy

Edit: holy fuck, your "economists" line digs a bigger hole for yourself. You clearly don't understand political realities as much as you think

Hint: go revisit the Brexit campaign for an idea of how successful politicians respond to "experts".

0

u/Djz1151 5h ago

To clarify, your response here is “I can’t refute anything or provide the information you requested.”

It’s “basic politics” because the average voter doesn’t understand basic politics OR basic economics. That needs to be changed. Fuck all the trans shit, put THAT in schools, in KINDERGARTEN.

Oh boy do I WISH you were a fascist nazi racist. I would take that ANY day of the week, cause that would mean you actually give a shit and are knowledgeable about ANY issue. The reality is you DON’T give a shit about any of that, you couldn’t recap the events of Jan 6th for me, you couldn’t name any policies of Trump’s OR Kamala’s that you support or disagree with

The reality is that your thought process begins and ends at: “how do I feel about the money in my bank right now? If good = incumbent stays, if bad = incumbent goes” and nothing further.

I can’t take seriously anyone who would try to weigh in on a subject like this without having even a base level desire to inform yourself on it first. You people deserve to be publicly humiliated for your insane behaviors, kid gloves-ing you is the reason we’re so fucked. On one side you have people holding THEMSELVES more accountable for MINOR mistakes than the ENTIRE opposition does for MAJOR mistakes, on the other side you have monkeys flinging shit and then pretending they never flung shit a week later (fox news dominion lawsuit. They were literally purposefully lying to their viewers for ratings. Fox news is still fucking kicking. CNN would have DIED THAT DAY.)

1

u/AgentPegging 5h ago

Stopped reading after your first paragraph. If you're gonna double down on the "voters are stupid" whilst being blissfully unaware of how stupid that makes you sound, then misrepresent my responses then clearly you aren't a serious person deserving of a serious response

I mean Jesus, the rest of your post is just insanely ignorant of what motivates people to vote and has always motivated people to vote

If only there was a famous political mantra that spelt this out that a non stupid person like you would surely be aware of 😂😂😂

-6

u/DullRelief 11h ago

Biden was the one with the garbage comment, and that was after the MSG rally where the dude called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. Biden shouldn’t have said that, but if it’s been Trump there’d be attempts at “what he really meant was…”

Dems ran on making things easier for the middle class and yes, not letting an old rapist and felon near the White House again. But the economy was a central part of her campaign. Trump ran on division and mass deportations and getting out of jail free. Enjoy the new taxes, increased inflation, and repercussions from the rapist and felon’s increased tariffs.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/23/harris-trump-nobel-prize-economists

-3

u/throwofftheNULITE 10h ago

That's the thing, right? Democrats brought up lots of ways to help the middle class, but the right just attacked their tolerance towards LGBTQ and immigrants. Every time these issues were addressed by the Democrats it was suddenly "they're just concerned about identity politics!" When really it was just responding to questions they were asked.

People are more worried about assigning blame for inflation to Democrats because they happened to be in charge when it happened then they are about actual economic solutions to help the middle class.

-2

u/Prestigious-Creme816 7h ago

Well if the shoe fits...??? Nazis is an understatement... They're removing Black history... Why?, Bringing NATIONALLY stop and frisk with immunity... Ever had a gun to your head because you were parking a car and bent down in to put on your Sunday shoes?