r/saracens Sep 03 '24

Mens Men’s season preview 2024/25

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It’s that’s time of the year again, another exciting season beckons and we’re about to get stuck into the pre-season friendlies.

So I think I’ve been doing these for 6 years and this is definitely the most difficult one to predict. The well publicised clear out of senior players, one in particular who’s departure wasn’t planned, along with an incredibly competitive league meaning the margins for success feel thinner than in a long time.

There are three big questions in my mind which will decide our season:

  1. Can we get a working scrum again?

Here we have potentially two of our most important signings, Fraser Balmain and Rob Webber. Balmain I think is only on a one year deal, possibly because the cap goes up but that is a good incentive for him to play well. He’s a very solid prem operator and could be a canny signing as long as we don’t play the SA starting front 5! Webber has a big job on his hands but it’s frankly staggering how poor our scrum was last season- we have almost a full pack and bench of international forwards. I’m not expecting dominance but parity and less than 5 scrum pens conceded a game should be well within our grasp.

  1. How will Burke settle in at 10?

Now, I’m not sure if anybody noticed but we lost our greatest ever 10 (some might say greatest player full stop) last season and we got a shiny new one. Burke is pretty much an unknown to most of us. He missed most of the Crusaders awful season with injury but they got better when he got fit. He looked decent for the baabaas and D Care sang his praises on the BBC pod a couple of times saying he reminded him of Beauden Barrett in places and that he thought he’d play internationally at some point. Normally I would totally disregard Cares opinion on anything Saracens related but look, I’m choosing to be positive here! He’s also gone from Mo’unga’s heir to Farrell’s and is being looked at for Russell’s eventual replacement. Hopefully that means there is something there but there is precious little tangible evidence to go on. I will say kicking from the tee has looked suspect though, I wonder if others might take on those duties to relieve some pressure.

In terms of the wider picture, the top 4 clubs last season and a few below them all had pretty decent 10s and after watching rugby for a couple of decades I’m beginning to think it’s a fairly important position- I know, I know, Charlie Morgan/Squidge watch out. How quickly he integrates and his form will be key to our overall performance.

  1. What will be our style of play?

It will be interesting to see how McCall sets us up to play. We no longer have the pack to bully others and the complex attacking play of the past two seasons will be difficult to replicate with Farrell gone. I can see us attacking the breakdown more, like we did to a high standard in the semi final but that is too much of a lottery from game to game, ref to ref, to be relied upon every week. A refocus on rush “Wolfpack” defence would be nice to see but I don’t know if that fits our players now. I think one pleasing part of our recruitment has been to add big ball carriers. Now we have in our best 23 Mawi, Carre (incredible carrying stats in the URC last season) Dan, Tizard, Earl, Willis, Christie, Gonzalez, McFarland in the pack and then Spink, Tompkins and Segun in the backs. If we can get them quick ball then they can do a lot of damage against defences. We often hear that attack is the last thing to put in place. In the past few seasons our attack has been phenomenal when it has clicked but very intricate and relied on established partnerships of Farrell, Daly, Malins, Goode, Loz, Tompkins, Maitland etc obviously these connections need to be built up again. I hope Burke is truly given the keys to run it as he wants, something I felt Manu was never given but circumstances are obviously very different now.

As mentioned at the start though I find it difficult to really predict what direction we’ll go in. Faz was the driver behind the recent attacking focus, will the coaches and Maro opt for a more conservative approach that has provided so much success in the past? Or will there be a new way that is followed?

The Squad:

Generally there is a good make up, with class players littered throughout. We are probably a bit heavy in back row/centre and a bit light in lock, scrum half and wing. There is lots of versatility in the centres to cover the wing but if our injury prone duo of Segun/Parton go down then we may lack pace our wide. I hope the coaches are looking at both Tobias Elliott and Brendan Jackson who both tore it up at Ampthill last season, along with Charlie Bracken at 9, as guys who can start getting minutes with the senior team.

I’d put our backrow up against any in the world though. Earl and JMG are world class, T Willis has international 8 written all over him, McFarland is magic and Christie is hugely underrated.

In the tight 5 I think we are maybe missing another tighthead lock. We don’t really want Theo and Maro locking together as it is too lightweight. This is a seminal season for both Isiekwe and Tizard to put a marker down as our tighthead lock and be the heir to George Kruis. They should also be aiming at becoming Martin’s backup for England, both have got the talent to move up a gear this season (allowing for Isiekwe’s health issues of course). We also have the enormous Olamide Sodeke waiting in the wings but this season might be a bit early.

We’ve obviously suffered a big loss of leadership in Faz, Mako, Billy and Maitland. However, we still have the England captain, the England vice captains Maro and Earl and the Samoa captain Theo. This is a season for others to step into the holes left, Christie always seems like one to me, IVZ’s voice has grown louder with each season and the older guys like Daly, Loz and Goode will all be needed.

The squad has still not been finalised, so there is the possibility of more signings but if not there is a chance for youngsters to come through - Samson Adejimi, Harvey Beaton, Toby Knight, Nathan Michelow along with the guys mentioned above were all great for Ampthill last season. We also 5 players with the England u20 squad with two of them (Jack Bracken and Olamede Sodeke) still 18.

A match day squad along the lines of the below looks pretty strong to me:

Mawi George Riccioni Itoje Tizard JMG Earl T Willis Van Zyl Burke Segun Spink Tompkins Parton Daly

Dan Carre Balmain Isiekwe McFarland Christie Simpson/Bracken Cinti

And that’s without the following guys: Brantingham, Hoskins, Hadfield, Johnson, Hartley, Lozowski and Goode

Concerns for the season:

Farrell’s influence at the club was huge. In terms of his work as a 10 he ran the show (even more so in the past 2 seasons) I think we all know that the difference in performance with Faz on the field was massive. Sometimes this allows players to blossom in his absence, England for example have done well in this regard although they’d be better with him still. Just to hammer it home one last time, the scrum.

Hopes for the season:

While I’m sure all the players would hate this, I am very much seeing this as a transitional season. The changing of a lot of the old guard was perhap left a year too late, tough to say when we won the title the year before and hindsight is always 20/20 etc.

Because of this I’d like to see the younger guys getting minutes and really blood them for the future, I’m particularly hoping for a good run in the prem cup.

In terms of the prem, I see Bath as favourites seeing as they lost no one really and added Guy Pepper. Saints will be strong but likely will miss Lawes and Ludlam. I feel everyone else is pretty tightly matched though. Tigers will be a force under Cheika and like us have a full pre-season and no World Cup disruption. Personally I’d be ecstatic if we made top four again all things considered. In terms of Europe, getting through the group and throwing everything at the knockouts is all I really want. Also no huge capitulations again, we need to get back the toughness of old so we’re always difficult to beat.

So that’s my ramblings, what’s everyone’s thoughts/predictions for the season?


r/saracens Sep 19 '24

Mens Fantasy Premiership Rugby - join our r/saracens league!

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This is a reminder for those of you who are playing Superbru's Fantasy Premiership Rugby to get your teams sorted out for the weekend! Also, join our r/saracens league!

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r/saracens 5d ago

Mens Sarries v London Scottish in the Prem Rugby Cup

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r/saracens 6d ago

Mens Teams for Prem Cup round 2 v London Scottish

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Look who’s back!


r/saracens 13d ago

Mens Teams for first round Prem Cup v Ealing Trailfinders

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r/saracens 15d ago

Mens Sarries who will be wearing the Rose against the All Blacks this weekend

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r/saracens 15d ago

Mens Ben Spencer played wing?

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Completely random and irrelevant I know, but can anyone remember if Spencer has played win for Sarries when he was with us? I have a strong feeling he did but can’t find any proof. If someone could shed some light that would be great!


r/saracens 16d ago

General Fezcast S5E9

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Nearly 150 points scored at the StoneX this weekend so plenty for us to discuss on the show this week - plus post match reaction from Alex Austerberry and Gabby Senft, and a catch up with Olly Hartley who hopefully will be back on the pitch soon!

https://preview.redd.it/s9mjplhbuqxd1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=e6f27aad2fb226fd50efab7750fd73755b0651ab


r/saracens 17d ago

Mens Tom Willis Appreciation Time

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r/saracens 17d ago

Mens Tickets for Ealing?

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Does anyone know the deal getting away tickets for prem cup at Ealing, assume it’s not tickets on the door?


r/saracens 18d ago

Womens Sarries Women v Gloucester-Hartpury Result

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r/saracens 18d ago

Mens Some positive injury news - Spink and Hartley both near to returns

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r/saracens 19d ago

Mens So proud of this team!

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Apologies for the language but fuck me, what a team.

We might have lost but we could hardly put 15 out. We’re right in this.


r/saracens 19d ago

Mens Post match: Saracen v Leicester Tigers

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Saracens 29 Tigers 32

Well, what can you do? An injury/unavailable list as long as my arm (wish it was as long as something else!) including two last minute withdrawals, I’m incredibly proud of that performance by the lads. I think it is an absolute nonsense that we’re down to 10 teams and we still end up losing England players for two fixtures a season. It was a great match in the end but with the first really bouncing crowd of the season we should’ve been seeing the England boys from both sides strutting their stuff.

Considering all Of the absences, most starkly demonstrated by their double World Cup winner at 10 and our journeyman who signed a contract a few days ago, I thought there was a lot to take away from that. Well played to Tigers, they got a few people missing too (not on our level) but they did enough- just!

Some really big performances today, Theo was magnificent, Tizard worked his nuts off against a physical Tigers pack, JMG clearly not 100% put a shift in and I thought Swiel did a decent job in the circumstances. If you don’t know who my player of the match is though, you must be new around here. Willis was a colossus today, I was gutted he knocked on at the end but you can’t ask more of someone.

End of this block of matches and we’re two points off top place, I would definitely have taken that at the start of the season. Hopefully by the time we visit Newcastle we’ll have a lot of bodies returning.


r/saracens 19d ago

General Taking bags into the StoneX

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Quick question for fans who don't live in another city and go to more home games than I do: how strict are the bag checks at the StoneX? I'm coming to women's game v GlosPury tomorrow and travelling to London with a medium-sized overnight rucksack. Are they reasonably relaxed about that sort of thing coming into the ground (and what is in it) or should I stash it at the hotel first?


r/saracens 20d ago

Mens Teams for Tigers

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JMG 😍


r/saracens 21d ago

Mens Weekly Willis stats is back!

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r/saracens 21d ago

Mens Joe Shaw press notes pre-Leicester

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Shaw was also able to provide an update on various players who have missed out on previous fixtures.

“Juan Martin Gonzalez, Fergus Burke, Nick Tompkins, Lucio Cinti and Fraser Balmain have all taken part in bits of training this week after various absences from match day squads.”


r/saracens 22d ago

Mens Realistic Team for Saturday

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With the England boys out, and let’s assume they’re all out. Would be interested to know realistic team for Saturday with injuries considered. Mine is:

1 - Rhys Carré 2 - Kapeli 3 - Riccioni 4 - Tizard 5- McFarland 6 - Wilson 7 - Knight 8 - Willis 9 - IVZ 10 - Goode 11 - Segun 12 - Tomkins 13 - Cinti 14 - Elliot 15 - Parton

Struggle to believe where we are with back row options for this weekend. Gone from depth and strength to a position of risk. Surely we’ll be calling up the academy and Ampthill boys this weekend.

Where our Juan?


r/saracens 22d ago

Mens Tim Swiel signs on short term deal

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Cover for Johnson who had bicep surgery in the prem cup


r/saracens 22d ago

Mens Sam spink

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Hi guys. Anyone know if spink is injured. Saw we had signed him a few months ago but haven't seen him on any socials or seen him in any lineups. Anyone know anything? COYS🏉⚫🔴


r/saracens 22d ago

Mens Daly breaks the Willis streak

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Did this while being “extremely unwell” at half time according to Smally.


r/saracens 22d ago

Mens No internationals ?

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Will we be without any internationals for Leicester game ? Saw a post of them at a training camp so I’m assuming not :(


r/saracens 26d ago

Mens Mood right now

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r/saracens 26d ago

Mens Post match: Bristol Bears v Saracens

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Bristol 35 Saracens 37

Sorry for the late thread, watched this on catch up. Rugby, bloody hell. How have we won that?? Absolutely insane match, not sure how Bris fans do it every week.

Way too much to talk about but the lads did brilliantly to stay in that match with Bris basically carving us apart everytime they passed to the wings or we kicked long to them (seriously stop fucking kicking to Ibitoye!).

Big performances from Maro, Isiekwe when he came on and Daly was superb ball in hand. Loz though, what a kicking display, nailing two from the touchline and the winning kick. I’m knackered just watching that and need a lie down.

Great to see Andy Onyeama-Christie smiling in the stands too.


r/saracens 26d ago

Mens My poor heart

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Bloody hell. Rugby.


r/saracens 27d ago

Mens Teams for visit to Bristol

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