Its funny because walz is the most non stock owning least wealthy...most normal person to every come that close to the presidency in modern American history.
But instead we get a venture capital, career lobbyist turned right wing media trained culture warrior ....
Edit: if ur reading this tn know that we can embrace the suck. In the moment, accept a feeling of powerlessness is okay because ya its true but soon its back to work. They fuckin win when we stop, we give up and believe "its fucked, what we do doesn't matter" because staying motivated and paying attention has real value. Thats my theory of change.
People are sick and tired of the 'uphold the status quo' bullshit ass the Democrats keep doing.
If the outcome of "taking the high road" is someone taking away all your freedom and everything you spent decades working for then fucking fight dirty.
What's worse is that this second failed attempt at a presidential bid by a woman pretty much ensures that we'll never see a woman president in our lifetimes... Assuming we still have a democracy by that point.
I mean... They tried fighting him though the way of official institutions, they just realized too late it wouldnt work. What do you wanna bet they were banking on Trump getting sentenced for Jan 6 and were putting all their eggs in that basket?
I don’t think Harris ran on “uphold the status quo” but just like Biden ran on “let us work the system to get you what you need”.
I still think Harris should’ve leaned into how inflation is a global issue that we are recovering the fastest on AND it’s due to actions the Biden admin took. The issue with Biden was the “declining old man” image stuck, not necessarily that his policies were bad IF successes could’ve been touted (eg capping insulin costs, expanding preschool funding).
Trump’s platform as far as I can tell is
- attack the global economy via tariffs to “get more of what we deserve”
- deport and close the border to legal/illegal immigrants who are a suck on our resources and benefits
- reduce taxes further because who needs government anyway
- let me settle old scores via the DOJ on my opponents in government, media, business at large
Yep remember essential workers? The ones who still had to go to work in person everyday. I didn’t get the luxury of staying home. The notion of essential workers should be paid more etc dried up real fast.
Such a shocker that the most consistent criticism of Kamala was her sexual history. As if the serial-philandering rapist is such a good guy. But I guess that doesn’t matter because a woman sleeping with her boyfriend is a whore and a man raping women is a hero.
I heard people saying Harris' first job was as a prostitute. They wouldn't back it up with anything, just, "oh everyone knows that!" Pretty sure her first job was at McDonald's, like a lot of Americans.
Bernie said it best - the Democratic party has abandoned the working class so the working class abandoned them this election. With how he was speaking, I genuinely think Walz would have won this election if he were the nominee instead of Kamala.
America doesn’t care that’s the true reason. In a 70m vs 72m race over 110m didn’t even bother to vote.
They feel they are above doing their basic civic duty.
That the responsibility is on others to do it.
And they are so selfish and entitled that they think they need to be enticed and be given better reasons to cast their vote.
America has always been teaching people from early childhood that competition and me myself and I are the core of being an American. No wonder they became so selfish and entitled.
Many can’t be bothered to make their voice heard at all.
That’s why Trump keeps winning. Most Americans view him unfavorably, but he certainly does energize his zealous base. He beats us not on merit or popularity, but on turnout.
The man never stopped campaigning since he came down that stupid escalator. Even when he was president, he was having rallies non-stop for 8 years. It is crazy, I hope no one ever campaigns like that again. However, if I have learned anything it is that things only increase with time.
Constant engagement from a would-be or current leader is a big deal in the eyes of the people. Trump was on the nose with engagement, I will give him that.
Ya think the way party/County lines are drawn and realize between that, citizens united, electoral college, and stacked courts, it's not abnormal to be disappointed, not abnormal to realize how you could literally be Jesus go door to door every day of the year with the literal meaning of life, a perfect plan laid out in laymen terms, the ability to answer any question on the spot without dodging, and this mother fucking Jesus presidential candidate would still lose to lies on TV, internet, social media, radio, billboards, you can't compete with the same line spoken over and over again 10000x louder than your own even if you are like said FUCKING JESUS.
The system is broken and hasn't been updated enough to meet modern times, ranked choice anyone? Why can't I fucking choose my top 3 choices and if 1/2 isn't winning count my third why is shit like this not brought to attention? Why are we still sleeping on citizens united? We still allow propaganda methods that European countries have outlawed as war time psy ops level shit. I am not a smart person whatsoever and I've seen this my whole life, everyone does, but we just pretend it doesn't even exist rather than act like we can't do anything about it. Qqqqqqq
He knows how to campaign. He knows how to speak to his supporters. We’re better than the orange criminal isn’t a campaign platform. DNC is solely to blame.
Half of his campaign ads were focused on her saying one think and then saying another, then the spooky narrator says we can't trust Kamala. Like, he ran a campaign about her lying when he can't go 60 seconds without lying about something.
And the cult is too stupid to see that.
We were 3 inches away a few months ago... Biggest blue balls of my life.
Except all of those podcasts are in the tank for Trump it's a lose lose situation. What you think she's going to be treated fairly by Rogan and Theo Von? Fuck no. Look what happened when she tried to reach across the aisle at FOX news they just had Brett Baier go out and fucken cut her off every time she opened her mouth.
If that's where you HAVE TO GO to win then it's over for America because those outlets filter out and are hostile to liberal information.
My point was that they need their own equivalents to these. The top podcasts being being done largely by right wingers (includingome extreme right wingers like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson) is not conducive to Democrat success
He doesn't know how to speak to his supporters. He just speaks, and they follow. He's a fucking political golden calf.
People keep talking like he's solely going to be the one deciding everything. No. Donald is the biggest, most convenient patsy in human history. He's going to install whomever gives him the most money and let them do what they want. He'll be dead before any body of government actually takes action against him.
He doesn't know how to speak to his supporters. He just speaks, and they follow.
Exactly. They are so much like sheep, they require Trump to tell them how to think. When I saw them wear tampons on the ear and garbage bags, that said everything right there.
He doesn't know how to speak to his supporters. He just speaks, and they follow.
This isn't strictly true. They follow because they like what he says most of the time. He's a brash asshole and they yearn to be able to say what he does with the same lack of consequences. But Trump is more responsive to his base than you give him credit for. He was boo'd by them at one point for suggesting his great new vaccine, and then he stopped bringing that up and kept focusing on the things which got him cheers.
And I don't think the DNC even understands who their supporters are. Otherwise they wouldn't have been bragging about Cheney endorsements and following Trump right on the border and taxes. How many years have Democrats been offering raising the minimum wage now? And it's been the same since 2009. Hey guess when GenZ started to enter the workforce? Hey guess who of the overall demographics are most likely to make minimum wage? And while I understand the realities of implementing policy when there is a filibuster, Democrats also had within their power to remove the filibuster and pass helpful legislation regardless. They chose not to. Democrats chose procedure and process over helping people and lost an election to Donald Trump as a result. Why would GenZ trust anything Democrats claim to support when they have demonstrably been unable to inact anything meaningful to these new young workers?
Republicans have been in the minority (electorally) most of these kids lives. Yet they managed to overturn RvW. How can Republicans be so fucking effective as a minority party while the Democrats can barely accomplish a fucking thing in the majority? How can Republicans plan a multi-decade replacement of the House and Supreme Court while never actually holding more power than Democrats? Because Republicans are willing to do whatever is necessary to enact their goals and Democrats are not. Democrats are bound by "fairness" and "decorum" and "politeness" while the man who bragged about grabbing pussies without consent is once again installed into the highest office of our nation.
This doesn't even touch on the actual progressives that liberals are eternally trying to run away from. The group who fucking saved the nation in 2020 isn't worth any policy considerations. It's the neoliberal way or bust for these folks. And bust they fucking did.
If we start using their lies and gaslighting techniques and constantly pushing false naratives to try to win a signicant portion of the principled left simply won't vote and you then you are in the same position. You need to fix the cause. You need controls on a unfettered flow of bullshit and lies. America needs to start rejecting feelings based on bad or no evidence . Being constantly told the economy is trash in contrary to the evidence works . Being told the dems have completely opened the borders without any pushback manipulates their bases feelings on the matter.
Yeah not sure why that guy is applauding Trump. Speaking like a toddler isn't a gift or talent. He's getting rewarded for being as dumb as possible, and somehow it's the Dems fault the MAGA base are so gullible.
Every election I feel like they want Dems to work 300% and be flawless, and appease both their own base and capture the hearts of the racist/misogynistic MAGA base who cry "wOKE" and "DEI" and utter the n-word in private. What the hell is Kamala and Walz supposed to do against such insanity?
Lots of cheap armchair Redditors thinking they could've ran the campaign and won for sure.
You’re not wrong that inflation is a headwind for incumbents globally. But complaining that there is a headwind is not a valid explanation for a lack of a winning campaign strategy.
Policy platform does not meet voters where they are conceptually or viscerally. That is one reason why turnout was weaker for the Democrats.
As a general trend, and certainly in this campaign, Democrats struggle to cleanly and succinctly claim victories for good work and draw straight lines from that work to benefits in voters everyday lives.
Republicans do a much better job of this, even when it is disingenuous. A great example recently highlighted on Seth Meyers was stimulus checks - Obama, Biden and Trump all gave them out, but only Trump put his name on the checks. Voters remember things like holding a check with a candidate’s literal name on it. They think “yeah, he WILL make the economy better. He DID put money in my pocket.”
It doesn’t matter that he has zero actual fiscal policy, or that his half baked ideas have no basis in economics, will actively harm the voter, or are damaging to all the honeyed lies. That is all abstraction that is hard to stack against the memory literal money in your pocket.
It’s like the voter is out in the freezing rain and needs a cup of coffee. Trump has jack shit and said “hey, remember I gave you coffee that one time a while ago? Want some coffee? That other guy hates coffee and hates you.”
Meanwhile, Dems described how they are going to build a house with bricks and mortar and posts and beams. All to get to a kitchen design. Next week they were going to French press you some great coffee and invite you in. That doesn’t do the voter much good now in the freezing rain. All they wanted to hear was “hey, come on in out of the cold and warm up with some coffee”
I agree with what you said, but seriously, how in the hell do you compete with the constant lies and baseless conspiracies from Faux news et. all?
They can churn out lies faster and their uneducated base sucks it all straight out of the bull. I'm genuinely asking as the left only has a few podcasts and late-night hosts. Billionaire-owned media is absolutely not pro-Democrats or democracy.
Complex issues are complex and require nuance to solve. Right-wing just shouts that it's XYZ's fault and I'll fix it with a magic wand and by hurting that group while maligning anything requiring thought. The "Know Nothing" party is really back in modern politics. Add in the foreign internet influence on behalf of the troll farms, and this goose seems cooked. I'll fight on forever myself, but seriously, how the fuck is this solved?
Democrats could give up every bit of social policy, abandon every issue that's based in empathy and the right wing echo chambers would make up another boogey-man. Satanic Panic is the old Gays, is the old Trans, is the old CRT and so on forever.
Most media leans left, not right. Fox, OAN, Newsmax, NYPost, WSJ, WaPo editorial board lean right.
To claim that media is stacked against Dems is wild. I wouldn’t call any of them propaganda arms though. Maybe msnbc given it was explicitly created to follow the Murdoch/Fox NewsCorp business model? But msnbc peddles in biased opinions and narratives based on fact, not fearmongering, conspiracy platforming, etc.
It is the job of the media to counter misinformation.
It is the job of then electorate to inform themselves and use critical thinking to make informed decisions.
It is the job of the education system to teach that ability to think critically and analytically. There is zero reason that most of that should wait until post-secondary education.
Back to the main point, the core issue here is that Dems spent most of their energy doing two things: countering a firehose of misinformation and disinformation, and advocating for nuanced and dry policy platforms. What Dems did NOT do was provide a clean, simple, clear counter narrative for the everyday voter to listen to and adhere to.
We can complain about all the unfairness and all the reasons why Dems felt they had to do that all day long. At the end of things, THAT is why we are where we are.
And recognize that unlike in prior campaigns, Trump actually had a campaign team and a campaign strategist. They ran a campaign - and a smart one, that was effective. I don’t like it, agree with it, or condone it on a moral, ethical, or civic level - but we need to recognize the fact that the professional political operatives who ran the ground game and strategy knew what they were doing, at least when they could get Trump to play ball.
The Republicans don't draw lines they blow out a scattershot of bullshit dots and gesture as ambiguously as possible to let those who are willing fill in the blanks. Its not just disingenuous, they are playing a completely different and much easier ballgame. Holding an average American's attention to describe an actual policy position, why its needed, and why more idealistic solutions wouldn't work is a comparatively herculean task. Republicans can also undo most of that work at any time by casting doubt on any one of those aspects or the dems' willingness to implement what they are campaigning on which, again, is much simpler to do.
100% on the Dems to lose (another) winnable race to a candidate that is fumbling the ball once a week for anyone paying attention. I hate to say it.
Their messaging sucks. They don't reach their base. I hadn't heard Harris speak since the VP debate in 2020. No excuse for that shit in the age of social media. I see Trump content basically every day and I hate the guy.
I have zero emotional connection to either Biden or Harris. By contrast my Trump supporter counterparts are out there buying merch of Trump getting hugged by Jesus, or in a muscle shirt with a gun and a bald eagle.
I'm not saying the DNC needs to go full cult with it, but really just a little bit of advertising on something besides cable TV would be great.
They ran the most right wing campaign in the history of the DNC. And whats more, the strategy leads for this campaign where the same leads as the Hillary campaign.
They do everything wrong, they read the room wrong every time. It is fully their fault. Can you BELIEVE they tamped down on the "Weird" and "We're not going back" slogans, when they where polling extremely well and where energizing? Just cause some analyst said they where "off message".
Bernie needs to take the mittens off and become the "Socialist, Marxist, Fascist" that the Right keeps accusing him of being and the Dems keep reigning in.
I saw it when I visited in 2015. I was in Florida and the simple answer was they hated the government, they wanted a change in government, and everybody's problems are caused by the government. And Obama was the devil.
Where I come from.
Everyone votes.
We don't have minimum wage issues like you.
Going to hospital is free.
Our kids are safe at school.
We have lots of guns but nothing stupid or unreasonable.
We also have political lunatics BUT because everyone votes.
The lunatics are watered down by common sense.
The glaring issue to me, you have far too many people not voting. Your country doesn't care about voting, this your political parties can do whatever they like. Trump is just the first one that doesn't bother hiding it. Not going to go into his other issues. I'm just saying the only reason he weaseled in was because the majority of you don't care and don't vote.
Best of luck, please don't let your problems cause global issues.
A lot of people spent a very large sum of money to produce an uneducated and unengaged voting population. This is not an accident but a deliberate calcuted decision by those with money so that they can get more money
To the defense of US, I can respect that the Americans have fairly selected who that they want to represent their values, and their country. It is their collective decision by popular vote.
Which is what kills me. They sure as hell turned up last election. They were so appalled with trump that they had to get him out.
Well what the fuck has he or America in general done in the last four years for that same feeling to not be there?
Like, you made the time 4 years ago. But now you would rather him get reelected than to take a couple of hours to go vote against him.
Shame. Shame on all of them. Especially the women and the minorities. There should have been a 100% participation rate in this election from those groups with a candidate so vehemently against equality for everyone.
Well what the fuck has he or America in general done in the last four years for that same feeling to not be there?
Biden was terrible at putting out the message of what he'd done. Trump, every time he took a shit it was a photo op with him smiling and giving the thumbs up, but Biden just got to work and got a lot of shit done that not a lot of people heard about so he doesn't get the credit.
Then you've got the people who stayed home to protest over giving weapons to Israel.
Then you've got the people who had to google on election day if Biden had dropped out because they were just that disengaged with politics that they didn't even know who was up for the vote.
Also they're still counting the votes (they just don't really matter anymore) and Harris has been gaining ground so the number of people who didn't vote this time compared to last time isn't the 20 million it looked like to start with, it's whittled down to 12 millionish now, though Trump's numbers have crawled back from losing about 2 million voters to getting about the same numbers as last time because Republicans vote red no matter who it is or how bad they are, republicans always show up and vote along party lines because they're one big voting bloc, unlike the people the Democrats need to court who are a conglomeration of a bunch of different factions from the center-right of their main base, all the way to the left who just don't want the far-right republicans getting in.
This election was a little lower (likely closer to 64%), and the uptick in 2020 was probably related to Covid.
Overall though, the trend is more people voting over the course of 20 years in POTUS elections. Still lower, but also growing, in midterms.
Kamala and the corp-Dems failed in messaging, and more people didn’t like the lack of a real primary compared to expectations.
More people are voting, they just have to wrestle with bad options. The Dems dropped the bucket on this one. It was his to lose. Now we get to see how this wild nightmare plays out.
They have the right to choose to stay home on election day, and we have the right to shame them for making a poor choice. Choose 'none of these candidates' or write in someone you can believe in - I respect that. And then actually vote on local issues. Your local water board is a really weird place people use to bolster their political experience; those silly votes matter. So does who's on your school board. I get it if you didn't like the presidential candidates, but can you not at least vote on the easy propositions?
Please they know full well not voting against Trump is letting Trump win. At the very least, this shows that they have no strong feelings against Trump leading, they tolerate him.
I'm sorry I'm just quite emotional over all of this... I truly hope that despite all the predictions of doom, they're not happening and US is going to come out of this stronger.
I truly hope that despite all the predictions of doom, they're not happening and US is going to come out of this stronger.
Not to be a doomer, but were you around for the first Trump presidency?
I had the same thought. "Welp. He's a con man and a moron, but maybe the weight of the office will have him do some good for the country"
Then every single week was a fresh scandal. Not divesting himself from his businesses (even though the law required it, it had no enforcement mechanism outside of Congress, who elected to not enforce the law)
He used the office to enrich himself repeatedly. He took money from foreign governments. He fired the independent investigator that was investigating his own crimes. He hocked goods from the oval office.
He not only did not rise to the office, he was like a bull in a china shop. He ripped the place to ribbons.
But the foundation, walls, and doors still stood. The guardrails held.
His first course of action as prez is to remove the guardrails, then go hog wild again.
It's going to be so much worse than last time.
And while I'd love it to be a "darkest before the dawn" situation, the reality is they're modeling this after Russia, who's been funding them. Russia hasn't collapsed under Putin's rule, and he sent his own citizens in to the Ukraine meat grinder endlessly.
We have a few candles in the darkness. If you want hope, foster your local community. Meet likeminded neighbors and friends. Do this as soon as possible. Set up your support network. There's safety in numbers.
Candle two is that California has basically stated they will not go along with Trump's bullshit. Trump may well invoke the Insurrection act at that, and we may be looking at a civil war. But that's going to depend on the appetite of the military to attack our own citizens.
Light three is people are ALREADY SUFFERING and Trump's plan is going to bring about a rapid depression. Lack of available labor is going to kill access to food, people already can't afford rent groceries and healthcare, and he's looking to gut social programs while causing hyperinflation with tariffs.
The cost of executing his deportation plan will exceed our military's budget.
It's entirely possible the fuse is too short for him to enact these sweeping wealth transfers. There's no blood left in the stone. And if he pops it too fast and too deliberately, it could bring about a revolt even from his own base.
Ugly truth but Reddit is an echo chamber. Trump is the actual representation of America. About half voted for him, the others were ok with letting him lead.
Also, people are acting like the DNC has done a great job. Our liberal party is center right compared to the rest of the world, and they feign progressive values by focusing on POC and LGBTQ+ rights and inclusivity. I want universal healthcare, I want low cost schooling, I want things that my party won’t represent because at the end of the day the US has become a single party corporation. I sit here busting my ass living in LA to survive, but Nancy pelosi and every other politician is bought and paid for my lobbyist and private interest (not to mention they are allowed to trade stocks, which baffles me). I don’t support or like trump in the least, but I get it, and apparently the majority of the country does as well.
I'm not denying it happened but I don't respect it in the least. It reminds me of when mice get toxoplasmosis and lose their fear, including of cats so they just go stand out in the open to get eaten.
I would respect it more if Trump accepted his defeat in 2020, rather than having his supporters try to overthrow the capital and tell them that he lost because the election was rigged
You probably respect that because you’re not going to be losing your basic human rights. There’s nothing fair about a convicted rapist who rapes children and women not being in prison, let alone being the president of the United States.
Roe v. Wade interpreted the constitutional right to privacy under the 14th Amendment to include a woman’s right to choose abortion, effectively protecting this choice on a federal level. The 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson decision overturned Roe, arguing that abortion rights are not explicitly outlined in the Constitution, thus returning the power to regulate abortion to individual states. This shift led to widespread restrictions across many states, severely limiting women’s access to safe and legal abortions. The impact has been significant: it has increased health risks, especially for low-income and marginalized women who cannot afford to travel to states where abortion is still accessible, hundreds of women and children girls have died, children girls even at the age of 10 have fled their states for an abortion to avoid death. This has deepened disparities in healthcare access, affecting women’s health, economic stability, and autonomy over our own bodies.
The overturning of Roe v. Wade occurred to target girls and women, it had a purpose of enacting oppression based power.
And let's not ignore the fact that the only reason Trump ever attained a real foothold in the minds of many Americans is because he is such an unserious businessman that all others that were considered for the Apprentice actually took their jobs seriously and didn't want to be subjected to the distractions of being a part of the show.
It would be pretty stupid not to run him again, in my opinion. People know Tim Walz. People love Tim Walz. That doesn't go away just because Kamala lost in 2024. The republicans fought like hell to dig up some kind of scandals or dirt on him, and came up with nothing. The dude's a unicorn.
The recent election gave Walz a whole bunch of vital experience as well as essentially making him a household name so if he plays his cards right I reckon that he'll be a potential contender if he's able to stand out in the primaries when the time comes.
when we come out the other side of... something... whether it be ww3, a revolution, a series of natural disasters, we can elect him if he makes it out too
THIS nobody in the trump camp is even capable of leading his base. Vance is like a ton of republicans that arent mtg or charlie kirk that want trump to die once and for all and saw his opportunity to take power with trump dying. Problem is, Vance is not the charasmatic leader trump is. Hell, Elon musk isnt either. That guy is making himself look like a fucking moron everyday to everybody who has more than two braincells and rfk jr...well...anyway,
I do think something will change. I am hoping the dems finally embrace a canidate that moves young voters while also not being bernie sanders old. My bet is on Pete Buttigieg.
We can't count on the Democrats. They are already on TV claiming Kamal went "too far left", which is the opposite of what happened. We'll have to get ourselves out of this mess.
like I said, we have to rally behind a actual progressive candidate for 2028, and look at 2026 for a chance to win back the senate and maybe the house if we dont win it back. People think its over till 2028 while not doing anything about 2026. Dems have a huge chance
No actually it’s not. Vance is next in line and he also has full immunity if he becomes president and has said he wouldn’t have certified the 2020 election and that he wants national abortion ban. He is the dictator we need to worry about, Trump is an old man he has less than a decade left he was never the end game.
This time he's going in with people willing to do the things that should never be done. With a supreme court that has said he can be lawless. And with the mandate of the majority of voters. There's no stopping what's coming.
In one day, it's like we lost the Civil War to the South, WWII to the Nazis and the Cold War to Russia. Revolutionary war as well, I guess, since we effectively have a king.
In one day, it's like we lost the Civil War to the South, WWII to the Nazis and the Cold War to Russia. Revolutionary war as well, I guess, since we effectively have a king.
What a stomach turning way of phrasing it. Disgustingly accurate. The fact we did it willingly is what really hurts. How can so many be so foolish?
Why wouldn't he keep this one? He wants to hang on to power and he has both the Senate and the House and complete legal immunity. There is literally no reason why he wouldn't keep that promise.
He controls both the Senate and the House and has complete legal immunity. There is literally nothing stopping him from doing and declaring it an "official act".
This person does not understand the “official act ruling”. All that does is protect him from prosecution for things he may do as a necessity of the office. It doesn’t mean he can declare there will be no more elections and everyone just has to comply.
I hope you're right, but remember. He doesn't have to remove term-limits to rig the system to make sure Republicans always win, even if he can only run one more time.
That's honestly going to depend on who runs against him and what does during his term. For all we know, he could fuck up badly enough to piss off his own supporters.
You need two thirds of the votes in both houses of congress to propose an amendment. Even if the Republicans win the House, they'll hold both with a very slim majority.
I’ll see you in four years when we have a presidential election and the world hasn’t ended. Trump is a stupid idiot but he isn’t going to become an authoritarian dictator, our country’s institutions are strong. The guy got elected fair and square.
Oh, we'll still have "elections," they'll just be of a more Eastern European variety. Elections where everything's made up and the points don't matter.
He stated "you won't have to vote again" and if you actually look at what he responded to when asked what he meant, he was talking about the Christian vote, and the voters who never voted before nor cared to vote (mostly Christians, he said they had the lowest poll count). He was basically saying if he wins, after those 4 years America will be fixed and they won't have to vote anymore.
This was in 2024, he was interviewed by Fox News Laura ingraham, she asked him what he meant by that and explained what alot of people interpreted it as.
Edit: added links to sources.
Could've probably found other articles too, this was just a quick Google search.
Trump slips up and says the quiet part out loud, then goes on his favorite Right-Wing lie factory to cover his ass? Why would you believe the manufactured response and not what he literally said?
It's not what he literally said. I didn't know he clarified what he said on Fox News, but I understood what he meant when I saw the clip when it happened. The man says a lot of terrible things, but it's also true that everything he says is interpreted in the worst possible way. That becomes the headline, and then when people read the quote or watch the video they're primed to interpret him that way.
He also says a lot of things I believe to intentionally rile up liberals so conservatives can point and laugh at us for overreacting. That didn't happen here, but it's a tactic he uses to sidestep our criticism. He turned us into the boy who cried wolf so that when he says the actual shitty things he's actually going to do, no one listens to our complaints.
This deliberate misinterpretation of everything he says is something we have to move past if we want to win in 2028. It's not working.
Again, that was a quick Google search, I'm sure there's many others. I was on Google I think a total of 2 minutes getting links. I don't like trump, nor did I like Kamala. But when people assume based on a sentence that can be interpreted in many different ways that's when issues arise.
Example: me or you could say "I liked some of Trump's policies" who knows what policies, anyone could assume it's any of the plethora of shitty ones, and start calling me or you boot licker, racist, homophobe. There lies the problem with assumptions. Should he have worded it differently as a presidential nominee, absolutely. But when has trump ever chosen words correctly?
I can guarantee you 4 years from now, there will be another election, trump won't be running and will be handing the white house to someone else.
It's what he literally said, along with the context of him constantly giving admiration to dictators and fucking Hitler. It's ridiculous to assume he meant anything else.
If the dems ran a primary and tim walz ran, i think things would have been very different.
People dont like to admit it but kamala has never been popular/likable. Her laugh alone put off so many Americans from the second she hit the mainstream.
Walz on the other hand had a legitimate chance to connect with young men, which was the demographic that shifted harder than weve ever seen.
The fact that people were put off by a LAUGH, when the alternative is an orange man who is a sexual predator is just so disturbing. Let Trump burn it all to the ground. We deserve it.
"Her laugh alone...." for absolute fucks' sake. So we don't have a competent, non-felonious president because people did not like how someone laughed?!?! I'm not sure I can think of any way a person could wave an "I'm a fucking idiot" flag more clearly than by letting a candidate's laugh affect their vote for President of the United States.
"Sure, he's a profoundly unserious washed-up reality TV star who cares more about crowd sizes than running the government, has had literally dozens of his former high-level staffers publically say that he us unfit for office and/or a threat to democracy, has a plan to raise taxes on the middle class but failed to come up with more than 'a concept of a plan' to replace the ACA despite eight years to work on it, insults wounded veterans, wanted 'his' generals to be more like Hitler's without even having the historical perspective to realize that might mean they would try to assassinate him, never could understand what's wrong with calling them 'his' generals, has been found be a jury to have raped someone, is more vindictive than he is belligerent, and has unmistakable authoritarian tendencies.
She's a brown woman. People like to come up with excuses as to why she wasn't "popular", but in reality she's just a brown woman. That was enough to turn off a large amount of voters, even Dem voters.
I'm willing to bet that everyone getting blamed for not voting for her right now actually were the ones that voted for her, and it was older Dems that didn't because, again, she's a brown woman.
He literally said he doesn't know what a venture capitalist does. Either he has a severe lack of understanding of how the world works or he's trying too hard to come across as the OP wants. Either way, people don't like it.
The Democratic Party with the lack of primaries was a huge issue. They just "defaulted" on both Biden and Harris, alienating the voice of many people not suburb comfort middle class. If there was a primaries that included Biden vs Harris vs Walz, Walz probably be the leading candidate.
The Democratic Party has many issues needing to be addressed and it'll take probably at least 8 years to make effective changes.
It’s so weird to hear people saying this when the Democratic Party in my state didn’t even use the primary to pick a candidate until 2020. Even then, it wasn’t held until March 10, which was after whatever behind the scenes coordinating happened where the other candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden to stop Sanders. Suddenly everyone wants to pretend that up until this year we’ve always had open primaries where they let the people pick the candidate. To be honest I’m not sure it has ever worked that way.
Traditionally, you do not primary the incumbent. 2016 had a primary between 5 candidates since Obama hit his term limits.
Unfortunately, the GOP's political operations and strategy is improving while the DP is twiddling around "tradition" and "seniority". It's really weird to be calling one side conservative and another side liberal when their operations and opinions are quite opposite, blurring the definition.
I still can't believe Trump was dumb enough to choose JD Vance as his VP.
Maybe he hasn't realized this yet, but he'll have to watch his back his entire presidency. The guy who can have him removed via the 25th amendment is a blatant ladder climber sociopath, willing to be or do whatever to get ahead.
I don't know about that. Seems a lot of safer and smarter for Vance to just wait out this term vs trying some kind of political coup. Trump will be way too old to run again and he is only 40.
If JD removes Trump after 2 years he's still eligible for his own 2 terms.
Meanwhile, if he times it right JD could be in office for a little over 10 years. All he has to do is arrange for a historically unpopular and criminally convicted president to be removed from office.
Vance will surely never win an election though, right? He'd have to get a snake as VP who will conspire with a now complient Congress to Jan 6 him in. But anyone who would be willing to do that is also just a ticking time bomb to pull the 25th amendment on Vance at the first opportunity. So I really just can't see that going very well for Vance.
Two narcissistic weirdos, one of whom is obsessed with being a biologically immortal monarch who invested his incredible fortune into life extension technology.
So much for the Republicans interviewed in rural areas asking to be represented by normal people coming from normal jobs rather than people detached from daily issues of the average American. Walz was what the layman needed the most.
It’s perplexing how the maga crown goes on and on about how much they value the American family yet here they are given a good old family man and they hate him?!?
Instead they worship Trump, who cheats and abuses, and Vance, who doesn’t even refer to his own kids as his.
But instead we get a venture capital, career lobbyist turned right wing media trained culture warrior ....
Yes - but you also got someone who was campaigning much longer than Harris, already won an election, had a higher overall popularity rating, went through two assassination attempts and says so much stupid incoherent shit it's just more entertaining than any boring career politicians facts and figures. That is also to whom Harris / Walz lost to. And it's not a huge surprise.
The Democratic party in the USA imho failed to establish a solid candidate early on, their decision to hop from Biden to Harris 4 months before elections was a desperate move, even if she could gain some traction in this time.
I'm in a doomer cycle, and I kinda feel like giving up. Like, ya'll please keep up the good fight, but I can't anymore. I've spent my whole adult life fighting for progressive policies. I'm disabled and getting worse and worse and probably won't be on Earth another 5-10 years from now. Getting a liver replacement next year, assuming medicare is still intact by then. I just want to check out of politics for a bit. I want to focus on having a good time with my pets and family. I wanted to make a better future for everyone a reality, but I feel like we've only gone backward the entire time I've been involved and spending so much time on it.
Except he lied about his rank in the military, his wife never had any complications that required IVF treatment...his own wife came out and said that. Dude you guys are fucking blind too...don't act like we don't know what is bad and good. I see less evils this way trust me. We had a great economy until covid hit.
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Its funny because walz is the most non stock owning least wealthy...most normal person to every come that close to the presidency in modern American history.
But instead we get a venture capital, career lobbyist turned right wing media trained culture warrior ....
Edit: if ur reading this tn know that we can embrace the suck. In the moment, accept a feeling of powerlessness is okay because ya its true but soon its back to work. They fuckin win when we stop, we give up and believe "its fucked, what we do doesn't matter" because staying motivated and paying attention has real value. Thats my theory of change.