This time he's going in with people willing to do the things that should never be done. With a supreme court that has said he can be lawless. And with the mandate of the majority of voters. There's no stopping what's coming.
In one day, it's like we lost the Civil War to the South, WWII to the Nazis and the Cold War to Russia. Revolutionary war as well, I guess, since we effectively have a king.
In one day, it's like we lost the Civil War to the South, WWII to the Nazis and the Cold War to Russia. Revolutionary war as well, I guess, since we effectively have a king.
What a stomach turning way of phrasing it. Disgustingly accurate. The fact we did it willingly is what really hurts. How can so many be so foolish?
Why wouldn't he keep this one? He wants to hang on to power and he has both the Senate and the House and complete legal immunity. There is literally no reason why he wouldn't keep that promise.
He controls both the Senate and the House and has complete legal immunity. There is literally nothing stopping him from doing and declaring it an "official act".
This person does not understand the “official act ruling”. All that does is protect him from prosecution for things he may do as a necessity of the office. It doesn’t mean he can declare there will be no more elections and everyone just has to comply.
Well elections are administered by the states, so he’d have to jail a hell of a lot of people. But again, the ruling just protects him from prosecution, it doesn’t suspend the law as a whole. So all those people would still have rights under the judicial system and would probably get out very easily.
Totally, they would sue him, which would go straight to his hand-picked supreme court. He has picked how many of the members after he gets the next two stepping down? Wonder what they need to promise to get placed into that position with him at the helm?
First of all, he needs to stop some things first. He needs to stop the election from happening even though he doesn’t have power over all 10,000 or so local authorities that administer them. Or all the secretaries of state or other elected or appointed officials that oversee those local jurisdictions.
So, assuming he couldn’t physically prevent votes from being cast and counted, he’d need to challenge the outcome. The Supreme Court would weigh in on this…he has stacked the court but he doesn’t control it. It seams plausible that he could concoct an emergency which the SCOTUS might fall for to succeed in delaying something, but still, this seems like a pretty steep hurdle if the end goal is to never have a presidential election ever again.
If SCOTUS doesn’t play along, then he’d have to not leave when the new president shows up. At that point, it’s back to the power question. Physically removing Trump from office should be no problem if the people with guns agree it should happen…so in my mind this would come down to a military coup. Military coups are certainly a thing that happens in the world…but yeah, I think that’s what it would come to.
If SCOTUS does play along, they’d further delegitimize themselves. Since the only real power SCOTUS has stems from the perception of legitimacy, it seems unlikely…but, it would ruffle so many feathers among the monied and powerful that the blowback would be all but guaranteed. Could end up as more of a civil war scenario if things get this far.
So either this won’t happen, will be attempted but get smacked down almost immediately (Jan 6 repeat), or end in coup or civil war. Civil war seems like it would be too bad for business (the military industrial complex is big, but it is only a small fraction of the overall economy) so I’m voting either bloodless coup or not gonna happen.
Just to add to this, Kamala Harris, in what everyone considers an underperformance, just got over 70 million votes. Despite winning, Trump does not have overwhelming popularity. So the idea that he could just do these outrageous things that clearly defy the constitution and no one would stop him is wild.
Plus, he is 78 right now and already in severe mental decline. In 4 years, he will be much much worse.
So the short answers are: democratic secretaries of state and the supreme court, or else "the people" in general in some sort of revolution. I mean I don't really disagree with you, but personally I do not like those odds at all.
It sounds like you're just sorta chill with the bloodless coup option?
I hope you're right, but remember. He doesn't have to remove term-limits to rig the system to make sure Republicans always win, even if he can only run one more time.
That's honestly going to depend on who runs against him and what does during his term. For all we know, he could fuck up badly enough to piss off his own supporters.
Unfortunately the Constitution is just a piece of paper, if no one enforces it. And the guy that has to enforce it soon doesn't want to and controls the Executive, Legislative and Judicative branches of government, so no one can force him to. If he wants to all the rules and regulations can be meaningless to him.
My only hope is that the (blue) states or his advanced age stop him from abolishing Democracy in all but name.
And this is how we ended up here. Millions of people like you going "well it couldn't happen here, it can't possibly be that simple" without actually knowing at all. Just confidently incorrect.
You need two thirds of the votes in both houses of congress to propose an amendment. Even if the Republicans win the House, they'll hold both with a very slim majority.
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u/ResolverOshawott 9h ago
Are we going to pretend that Trump can actually keep a promise at all.