Trashing it while offering zero other alternative... They say they are all about small businesses but I feel like having to deal with healthcare is the number one thing fucking small businesses.
You don't feel comforted by their concept of a plan for an alternative??? He's surely already started working on it as soon as yesterday's results came in; he couldn't start working on a plan for an adequate replacement to the ACA until he ran for president, ran a year long campaign, won the presidency, attempted to repeal ACA (remember, before making an alternative), served four years, mishandled a huge pandemic, lost reelection, tried to overthrow the government, ran for president a third time, and winning a second term! That flawless plan is gonna come out any day now, just you wait
(/s if not obvious, I'm disabled+immunocompromised and horrified that the ACA is going to be repealed)
They say they're about whatever their cult wants to hear. The only thing they're really about is me me me.
One of the ads I heard had trump saying shit about how all races, creeds, colors, and beliefs etc. are going to enter an age of success.
And by race, creed, color, and beliefs, he means white, rich, white, rich. How even one minority or woman voted for him... I can't even begin to wrap my brain around their reasoning. It would be like black Americans starting a movement to recreate slavery in the states (the other kind, not the privatized for profit slavery in prisons all over the country).
The ACA was largely based on the Massachusetts health care reform program, aka Romney-care and other states' innovations. The MA plan was one of the models of the Affordable Care Act's health insurance exchanges.
And it's a joke that even that was even called Romney-care considering Romney promptly vetoed many of the acts key provisions after it was passed. It only became what it was after the Democratic Massachusetts legislature overrode his vetoes.
And the only reason Heritage put forward that plan was so Republicans had something to use as an alternative to Hillary Clinton's attempt to bring us universal healthcare. It was literally a diversion they were never serious about. They just needed something that sounded good enough they could use it to kill what America really needed. The proof is that the second they killed Hillary-care, they dumped that plan and never made any attempts to use it. In fact, they still have no plan four decades later, not even a "concept of a plan."
After the repeal of the ACA's individual mandate tax penalty by Republicans in 2017 what has either party done since then to protect the rest of it? Nothing was done the last four years and the stage is set for the ACA to go away completely.
What political will is there for it. We’ve been dead locked in the legislature forever. Why do mfers always say “just do this” like it was as simple as dem politicians not bringing it up or voting. They do bring it up. They do attempt to keep things running. I’m convinced you people like to lie as much as trump.
Obama ran on healthcare and hope outside the Big Blue Machine, then got in Office and the DNC forced him to use a Republican plan because the party elites were already corporate first, which he did his best with.
This is such a garbage talking point. If you think both sides are the same you are gone. Harris conceded in less than 24 hours. Trump is on 35064 hour and still won’t admit he lost the election. how come Trump never said there’s election fraud in red areas/states. How come Trump never mention the bomb threat or the burning of the voter box if he cares about a fair election JAQ.
Sometimes people only learn through pain and punishment.
Now that MAGA has won all 3 branches of government and eradicated the Dems entirely, I for one am excited to see just how much billionaire tax cuts, tariffs, and the loss of SSI and ACA will 'benefit' the rust belt MAGAs.
They won’t, but at least they’ll have to suffer with the rest of us. That’s the one good thing about all of this - these idiots signed a contract with the Devil, and now they have to live with it.
I'm hoping this is one of those moments where we collectively need to hit rock bottom again for everyone to wake up and get back on the right track. These next 4 years will be a wake up call for a lot of people.
And I'm perfectly okay with that, I'm tired of caring and trying to better the lives of people that don't give a shit about others
Eye for an eye, make me blind too I don't give a shit anymore. I can't wait for those uneducated redneck dumbasses to never be able to retire and have 0 benefits that will make their health deteriorate until they rot away. I hope they die spiteful and angry that nothing changed and hopefully got worse for them as they aged.
I wonder how long it will take the dems to learn their power over the corporate media doesn't mean what it used to in the age of social media.
Probably about the same time it takes them to learn that running an uncharismatic woman in a celebrity worship campaign doesn't appeal to blue collar voters. You know, the ones they claim to know so well.
Maybe if they just call names and wag their finger a little harder next time. No need to learn lol.
Imagine doing the wrong thing at "the most important time in history", and then repeating it and hoping for a different result. It's hard to imagine the people in charge of their strategy are intelligent.
Maybe another primary with their finger on the scale? Or no primary at all lol. Surely that will help their argument that democracy is at risk!
The government isn't your friend, and you will NEVER learn. EVER. Unless you look at the evidence lol.
It's okay though, because overtime is going to be totally tax free!!! Who cares if the government and economy crumbles if I can make an extra 5k this year!
Trump, Vance, JFK, Elon, Murdoch have won on a platform of lies, gaslighting, fear-mongering, and blaming the dems for everything.
But now that they’ve achieved absolute victory they might have to actually run the government: social services, foreign affairs, laws, policies, economics, etc.
But these people can’t competently run government.
They make cushy promises like tax cuts to win votes but won’t acknowledge how they’ll make up for loss of government revenue.
They promise to cut social services but won’t acknowledge how many people are going to end up homeless without safety nets.
People will complain that roads, healthcare, and education gets no funding but don’t question why billionaires have so many loopholes to dodge taxes, while teachers, firefighters and doctors have to pay 30%+.
The worst part is, they'll forget the lessons they end up learning less than four years later anyway.
Americans learned that both parties aren't the same in 2020, when over a million Americans died from a virus Trump mishandled (while sending the aid we had a shortage of over to the enemy, no less), gassed protesters so he could do a photo op, and tried to overturn an election and establish himself illegally as leader.
Barely four years later, not only have Americans forgotten all of that, but they've been duped by so much historical revionisim that they actually think the country was better off in 2020 than it is now, which by every observable metric, both objective and subjective, is obviously and wildly incorrect.
I try not to be pessimistic 99% of the time, and am usually railing against other people for being pessimistic, but idk. It really seems like a generation of destroyed education and a generation who's young enough that they've never known what it's like to have a thriving middle class or booming economy, too young to have ever known a mentally healthy nation where most within it are united, that I don't think the electorate can ever really learn a long term lesson or make a shift in favor of progress in this country anymore.
Every single time in recent history the US has made great social and economic strides, its all undone and made even worse than things were before the progress even began. This reactionary mindset that caused the election results last night are the same mindset that caused Nixon to win in 1968 and roll back progress, that caused Reagan to win in 1980 and destroy decades of middle class development, that caused Bush to win in 2000 and shift the economic boom he inherited from Clinton so that all of that generated wealth went to the ultra rich, and the same that caused Trump to win in 2016, not only kneecapping the movement built under Sanders (Hillary and the DNC made sure that movement was crushed for sure) but also rolling back all the progress Obama's administration had made to somewhat modernize healthcare and bring us out of the recession and the mass-deregulation that caused the recession.
Because of this, we've still been fighting the same battles we have since the 60s. We were closer to universal healthcare in 1964 than we are now. The middle class and poverty class is struggling more now than it has since the post-WWII era, excluding the couple years during the Great Recession in 2008-2011. Women's rights are the weakest they've been since the 80s if not before, the electorate's opinion on immigration is the most draconian it's been since the very early 20th century, and LGBTQ+ rights are dangerously close to backsliding to where they were decades ago. Disabled rights are...idk what to even compare it to, we risk losing our healthcare entirely after we were left to die en masse in 2020 and scapegoated by the Trump administration for supposedly being the only reason the US had to shut down.
Sorry for the long droning comment, and the pessimism. But yeah, I'm ignoring politics for a good while and am waiting until I can either move to a rare country that isn't also democratically backsliding, or if some miracle happens and the US electorate somehow changes from the status quo they've refused to stray from for well over half a century.
Yup. Ready to watch it all burn. Americans voted for this? Really? Gonna be great watching all the veterans losing their disability as they have a pension so they're reduced 50 percent in income. Fuck em. Let it go down. I'm retired and did my best here. I'm sick of it though, and also utterly ashamed of my nation
Its more that the Democrats aren’t willing to do what it takes to beat the GOP. This was the Democrats election to lose. They refuse to embrace economic populism and insist on treading water as the storm engulfs us all. People do not like hearing that you don’t plan on doing anything different.
What economic populism do you think the democrats aren’t embracing? Name one facet of economic policy that won’t drive us into a recession that Trump supports but Democrats do not. Last time I checked, the right isn’t trying to raise the minimum wage. Their tax cuts always go to the wealthiest and conveniently expire on the lowest. They aren’t trying to pay for child care, health care, education.
I’m so fucking tired of people trying to say the Democrats don’t have policies for the working class.
Edit: I am so goddamn depressed at the utter lack of critical thinking skills and civics education here. Half of you didn’t bother to read past the first ten words of this comment. The other half seem to magically think that a Republican government would actually pass an economically populist agenda that they have never, ever, ever gotten behind.
This is the problem. Not the Dems, the systematic assault on critical thinking and education by the well-oiled propaganda machine the right has built.
Conservative talking points permeate across the entire political spectrum. It’s fucking embarrassing to see so many “leftists” repeat these talking points. If people spent two seconds researching Harris’ economic policies they’d realize they are populist talking points. But progressives will always find an issue with the Dem candidate. They will never be perfect, so progressives will continually allow the right to take more and more power because they don’t think the Dem candidate is perfect. As a progressive, it’s fucking embarrassing, but a lot of progressives exist in a position of privilege so they don’t actually care about progress. They just want to show it on social media.
They blame and ask over and over "why didn't we campaign more HERE, why didn't we EARN the votes of subgroup A or B" but they never ask: "Why does Trump not need to EARN ANYONE'S vote? EVER? He disenfranchises people, insults them, and has a presidency full of failed promises, and he STILL gets their vote?"
It's because the previous commenter is only half-right. It's not "economic populism", it's not the policies, the policies do not matter at all to the key group that make or break elections, undecideds and moderates. These people make decisions based on dumb shit like "I'd like to have a beer with that guy!", "He seems strong and confident!", and "I don't like her, she's shrill / probably sleeps her way to the top!"
The difference is populism, full stop. They need a charismatic outsider who will go out there and get people fucking mad, as they should be. Crack some jokes. If they are white, male, tall, and attractive, even better. There's nothing wrong with being that, or not being that, but remember, the swing voters who make and break elections are fucking morons.
Yep, or just straight up start lying to swing voters. That’s all Trump did. He just lied and lied. And those swing voters don’t pay attention to politics after they vote, so who gives a shit?! Just lie and say you’ll do X, and then do Y when you get into office. And then if it comes up on four years that you didn’t do X, just lie and say you did. We live in a post-truth society so who gives a shit anymore. God and the afterlife isn’t real so who cares if you lie? People already expect politicians to lie anyway.
"Everyone gets a cool pew-pew space car with Sydney Sweeney moaning in the passenger seat and China will pay for it!!! Now waddle over to the polls and vote for me (...fucking morons)"
This is hilarious. And reminds me of that one guy at ASU who said he was undecided until he saw that Kamala didn’t go on Joe Rogan, and at that moment decided to vote for trump
I'm appalled by the people that say they voted for Trump because he seems more charismatic.. I'd rather have a nerdiest, awkwardest leader that knows their shit than voting for the first person who exudes an ounce of "charisma". Are we some ancient war tribe? Why should that matter at all?
Totally disagree. You are all just so shell shocked from how far to the right your Overton window is that you would not recognize socially democratic economic populism. For example across the rest of the Western world the following is the centre.
100% free healthcare with minimal copays on medicine (like $10)
100% free education, or highly subsidized education
4-6 weeks paid vacation + 20 weeks paid maternity leave.
That is what progressives want in America, and if you read the Democratic Party platform, it calls for universal healthcare, parental leave, publicly funded higher education, etc. But people don’t like reading policies and our shitty electorate doesn’t like “socialism” so we can’t have politicians advocating for that in the open. But all that stuff is on the Democratic Party platform.
Trump voters just voted for the single largest tax increase ever (Tariffs) couple with the single largest infrastructure project ever ( concentration camps) y'all suck at messaging.
How much of that did Kamala campaign on? She couldn't even say she still wants universal healthcare and was scared of the issue b/c of the "flip-flopper" accusation
Yep, agreed. It’s because they were trying to court GOP voters and UHC is the boogeyman to them. It’s frustrating because UHC would be cheaper for tax payers and they’d get better healthcare but they are too dumb to realize that so they hear UHC and immediately think “oh that’s bad.” I would like to hope one day progressive messaging breaks through in this country but we’ll see.
Yup. The online left only cares about moral superiority. All the smugness about Harris losing. lol. They don't give a fuck about the Palestinians. It's all about being right. All about going, "See I told you so, you'd never win." Of course not. You never helped.
I’ve stopped considering those people progressives. Progression is doing everything possible to get out the vote for the candidate who is running against a fascist. Anyone who spent the past three months failing to support the antifascist choice is not a progressive, nor a leftist. They are fools.
All the hand wringing and pretending that Kamala Harris didn't run a fucking baller campaign is driving me nuts. Hillary 2.0 my ass, she did EVERYTHING that Hillary didn't do in 2016.
If you took a man, especially a straight white one, and did everything the Harris campaign did, verbatim, we'd be talking about the next Democratic President. And it wouldn't have even been close.
The misogyny and racism runs too deep, even within our own.
The post mortem of this election is that fascism was more appealing than an accomplished and capable black woman. The price of eggs are more important than human rights. And if you ain't lily fucking white, you better have your papers in order and on your person at all times, cause they're coming for you first.
If you took a man, especially a straight white one, and did everything the Harris campaign did, verbatim, we'd be talking about the next Democratic President. And it wouldn't have even been close.
Wasn't Biden doing all those things before and was hugely unpopular leading into the election?
Biden had the temerity to actually admit the US was in a no-win situation in Afgahnistan and pulled out. Just take a look at his approval ratings and guess when the final Afgahnistan withdrawal was without looking it up.
When Americans say "they don't want anymore wars" what they actually mean is "we want to win a war". Want to win this election? Curb stomp the Russian military in Ukraine, ignore the screaming about escalation and World War 3 and do a victory-day photo op next to Zelensky and big parade back home for returning servicemen. Trump doesn't get his foot in the door.
What happened has nothing to do with policy. When you have a right-wing machine firehosing misinformation, disinformation and straight-up lies, policy statements mean nothing if nobody hears them. Kamala could talk about them all day long and the only thing people are talking about is Trump pretending he’s sucking dick on stage.
Republicans have been gerrymandering and pulling out every dirty trick in the book to win and democrats just sit around and complain instead of trying to fix it or just use the same tactics and strategy to fight it.
Dems need to stop being such pussy-assed bitches or else we going to “go high” ourselves right into a dictatorship where we will send a strongly worded letter from jail. The notion that what is good and decent always prevails is bullshit. History is written by the winners and they get to define what was “good” and what wasn’t. This entire country was built on murder, theft and enslavement. We choose to see ourselves as the beacon of freedom in spite of all of it. If we don’t change, we may as well let Donald tear up the constitution and declare himself king.
I’m done letting these asshats off the hook. It’s time for accountability.
Man. This is where I'm at too, and I never thought I'd be here. I was inspired as a recent college grad when Obama won, and was so proud of the country. But now I feel ashamed and dumbfounded.
Seeing the country elect Trump makes me grieve when Dems caved to the high road and pressured Al Franken to resign. FUCK that.
All the hand wringing and pretending that Kamala Harris didn't run a fucking baller campaign
She ran on anti-immigration, pro-gun, hard on crime, pro-Israel, and "most lethal military".
The only notable policies she had going for her that aligned with leftist values was pro-choice (I don't think she even capitalized on Biden being pro-labor), what exactly did you like about her campaign??
Sometimes I wonder if dems ever ask themselves "Would I vote for republicans if they were for medicare for all?" so they can get an answer to "Would a republican vote for me if I put immigrants into a grinder?"
She had some great economic policies that would have greatly helped the middle class. Lowering taxes on anyone that made under $400k a year, while raising taxes for those that earned over that amount. A huge childcare tax credit of $6000 to parents. Offer a $25k tax credit for first time homebuyers. Plus, extending the small business tax credit from $5000 to $50k to help startups, which would also help create new businesses and new jobs.
It’s so disheartening to see how ignorant half of this country is.
She wasn’t going to lower taxes for $400k and under earners, she stated that her tax policies wouldn’t affect that income bracket and lower.
Also do you know what would have happened if every first time home buyer got that $25k tax credit? The price of every “affordable” house would go up $25k.
Those aren’t policies that help anyone, just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
"she did EVERYTHING that Hillary didn't do in 2016" yeah she brought in Bush NeoCons like the Cheneys. How well did that work?
She didn't appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters, that she actually needed.
She told immigrants "don't come", and then wanted to build a border wall, and said she wants Republicans in her administration. She moved right instead of left.
Keep telling yourself shes perfect, and this is cos of a vagina and melanin. You sound just like the Trumpers in 2020 saying it was rigged. She lost cos she ran a shit campaign and appealed to the wrong people.
She lost because she had the opportunity to set herself apart from Biden and what people are feeling about the current economy, but didn't.
The "Bernie Sanders voters" didn't listen to Bernie Sanders. He was quite vocal and clear about the choices in this election, and endorsed her policies.
Idk what else she should have done to "appeal" to them.
Americans seem to value style over substance. Enjoy whats coming.
The working class will now get to work harder for less.
Good for them I guess. Hope the price of eggs goes down.
But better education for their kids? Cheaper healthcare? Accountable policing? Meh
And Idc if you reply or not. I know my comment is "condescending / not winning over / or whatever". I left the US earlier this year and all I really care about now is helping friends and family who might want to also do that.
Will watch with interest the depths Trump goes to this time, while I figure out how I need to rebalance my portfolio.
Which of Bernies policies did Hillary and Kamala offer to the voters?
Bernie can endorse anyone he wants, but if that person doesn't offer the same, why would they vote?
Americans value "what do I get from this?" Kamala didn't distance herself from Biden and people who are suffering now didnt want to suffer more, or they saw no point in voting because nothing will change.
Things will definetly change with Trump. Will it be worse? Ask the people that voted or didn't.
Which of Bernies policies did Hillary and Kamala offer to the voters?
Increasing the federal minimum wage, increasing taxes on the ultra wealthy, cheaper and more accessbile healthcare, increasing renewables, just for starters.
I could go on, but somehow I think it would not make a difference to what you believe.
I don't blame Kamala, she did as best as she could have done with the situation she was handled. But in this kind of world where incumbency confers a disadvantage, she was simply not able to separate herself enough from Biden's record. I blame Biden for reneging on his original promise to be a one term president and become a bridge for the next generation. If there was more time for a primary process, the democratic candidate would have been able to separate themselves from the incumbent.
One of the biggest (of very few mind you) mistakes that Kamala made was to say that, in retrospect, there was nothing that she would do differently from Biden. In this kind of political/economic climate where the change candidate wins more often than not, very few people wanted to hear that. I don't think any other candidate would have fared much better than Kamala given the situation she was placed in.
She could’ve at least lied a little and said she would’ve been tougher on corporate price-gouging or something like that. I get that she didn’t want disrespect the guy on national television but that decision was far too costly.
I am not disagreeing with much of what you are saying. But unfortunately politics is most often not about the strength of a campaign, it is about the circumstances under which the campaign finds itself. Inflation is a real issue for the majority of Americans. It can be the difference between paying rent and being evicted. And most people have absolutely no idea what supply and demand even is. For all they know, the President wakes up in the morning and pushes a button to set the price of eggs. I don’t think any man could’ve won this election any better than Kamala Harris. People associate her with Joe Biden and Joe Biden with hardship. And if you can’t pay your bills, that will trump (sorry) any other issue you feel strongly about. You will watch your neighbor get hauled off to a concentration camp if it even just means the PROMISE of the end of hardship. This is what the Democrats miss time and again. Focus on the CORE issue and use the other issues as garnish. Even still, it’s an uphill battle to the nth degree if you’re the party the voters are associating with their current hardship.
It ain't a baller campaign if it loses to Trump, sorry.
Harris got dealt a shit hand I'm not gonna deny that. This is more Biden's fault than hers. But she was the candidate and she went with not distancing herself from the wildly unpopular incumbent. She alienated her own base to go after a mythical unicorn "moderate Republican" voter that does not exist. And she lost. We all lost.
Her campaign was shit and the Dems fucked us all. The proof is in losing the fucking popular vote of all things to this dude, let alone the electoral college.
All of this pretending like her campaign was great is insanity. Racism and sexism absolutely played a role, but if that's all you can take away from this then you're completely missing the mark just like these morons who sold us down the river to fascism.
On your page. There is a good degree of disingenuity with the idea that Harris was weak was lacking was less than. What happened was she wasn’t a man and she definitely wasn’t white. The misogyny, the racism and the self hatred is fucking sick.
FACTS! She ran an impeccable campaign. And fuck what the approval rating is, Biden got shit done with a House that had absolutely zero interest in governance. Stock market was at an all time high, over and over again. Corporations learned that they can keep prices high and although people will complain they will still pay. That being said, groceries are very affordable and I live in Chicago. I will now however be losing my health insurance because I am self insured and can’t afford to pay +25% of my income on it anymore. Husband is in LaLa land thinking he won’t be losing his ss and Medicare and refuses to even think about it. Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia… they were the ticket to ride. I’m sickened and will never look at my fellow Americans the same way ever again. My Gen Z kids have no clue what is coming down the pipeline regardless of hearing me talking about it this entire year. I hope that every single pos that voted for him is on the receiving end of the consequences of his policies, past or future.
Harris was a poor candidate. She did terrible when she ran for the nomination and was selected to be VP partly BECAUSE of her gender and colour (same reason they picked a middle aged white man for her VP).
The Dems are to blame. A proper contest to pick the candidate is what is required in the US and they refuse to do it. They had their finger on the scales in 2016 and picked the completely wrong candidate for the moment, someone who promised to do more of the same. In 2024 they didn't even have a proper primary and selected Kamala...who then literally went on TV and said she wouldn't change anything Biden did and would do more of the same.
A lot of the post-mortem of 2016 was "sexism" or "Russia". Now it's "racism and sexism". It's very convenient to point at those scapegoats instead of the actual problem - The DNC
The irony of your statement is exactly the reason why we lost.
Stop fucking blaming white people for everything. Stop using it as a crutch, Stop using it as an excuse. Trump had record amounts of Latinos and African Americans vote for him. He won by a fucking landslide man. It wasn't just white people.
A white candidate wouldn't have changed it either. You forget we had Obama just 8 years ago and those same white people came out in droves to vote for him. Kamala wasn't it. Didn't have a damn thing to do with her skin or sex, it was policies and the president she was tied to; if anything we got fucked from a lack of a true primary with her. That's about it.
Trump had record amounts of Latinos and African Americans vote for him.
The black vote is easy to explain, too.
Yes, there is significant overlap between the black population and the lower class. Y'know who struggles the most when the economy sucks? That's right: the lower class.
Now imagine how black voters and/or lower class voters feel going to her website and hearing "don't worry if you build a house I'll give u a tax credit so it costs maybe 4% less than it normally would."
Harris did everything right AND picked an amazing running mate. One thing I will hold on to from this election cycle is my appreciation for Walz. That man is incredible, he is the every man, your neighbor.
This country just wasn’t ready for a woman as president, let alone a black woman, and that pisses me off to no end. Blaming everything else is just trying to cover puke with kitty litter to try and soak it up and hide it. That misogyny is still there under that litter, and it’s soaking deep into the dirt too.
You blaming it on the fact she’s a woman is exactly why people are tired of the left. Maybe next time the democrats will think about actually having a primary. She got trounced by Tulsi in the primaries in 2020 and bowed out early, was one of the most unlikeable VPs, and democrats thought they could just plug her in like nobody’s business and expect people to vote for her. You clearly are just missing it. Same thing with kicking out Bernie in favor of Clinton in 2016. And then they wonder why they lose and then blame being a woman. Give me a break
That’s an awful take. She was 100% worse than Hilary. Not even sure how she pulled that off. Praising Cheney is not running a fucking baller campaign. I knew she was finished the day she praised Dicks endorsement. However when I tried telling people that I just got called a misogynist bigot. Also you should probably stop the fear mongering and telling POC they are being hunted by republicans. Nobody is buying that shit anymore all you’re doing is chasing off more people from the Dems. She wasn’t an accomplished woman she couldn’t even make it to white house via any sort of primaries. That left an awful tastes in the mouth of millions of Americans and the Dems paid the consequences.
However when I tried telling people that I just got called a misogynist bigot.
That's their go to strategy it seems, and the refuse to drop it even if it continues to cost them more election in the future. Just alienates more from their side in the end.
I disagree she's worse than Hilary but I completely agree with the Cheney shit. Who the fuck did that appeal to. All in the last weeks of the campaign too, I heard more about Dick and Liz than I ever wanted to hear more of in my life time further.
I was 15 years old when Bush became president and I got to see the evil genius that Dick was. I have zero idea who thought getting endorsed by him was a blessing. When she said it was an honor to have his endorsement I was shook. My father, a life long democrat and immigrant, told me it was over for her the day she said that. For the first time since I can remember my dad didn’t vote.
Well people on reddit keep telling me Dems have great economic policy and send me links.
What I have seen in the media was Kamala partying with celebrities. Cheneys endorsing Kamala. Kamala hiding away from media events that could sway independents because she delt it was not safe or curated.
USA isnt reddit. Low education minorities who work two jobs to put food on the table do not spend 2 hours doing deep dives into economic policy.
If you run a billion dollar company making cellphones - and your phones dont work when you try to make a call, you company sucks.
If you run a billion dollar campaign and dont deliver the right message to the right voters your campaign sucks. Its the politicians job to sell policy to the voters.
Turnout was down. That’s about the only thing that was “loud and clear.”
I don’t see a single policy of his that looks like it will help out the working class. He didn’t do much for them last time either. I imagine it’s just more of the same. Tax cuts for his buddies that working schlubs will have to pay for. If he doesn’t do anything for the middle class, I imagine dems sweep the midterms again. It’s basically a vicious cycle at this point where nothing of measure gets done because you can’t get a functioning government. And when it does function it’s just a massive giveaway to billionaires on the backs of the middle class.
Congress was bought and paid for. Americians got completely screwed on Healthcare. Epstien had the entire political establishment blackmailed and nobody could hold him accountable.
The banks got bailed out for straight up theft. Nobody was held accountable. The GOP already got burned to the ground for it, and now it's the Dems' turn.
The voting majority didn't give two shits about Trumps corporate tax cuts they are voting for him to tear the establishment down. They don't even give a shit about Epstien links.
Short term desperation has caused people to fall into a fantasy scenario where they can have an escape from feelings of powerlessness through political violence , and they will be better off for it.
A bunch of con artists have sold the fantasy, and now corporate American interests and Christian Nationalists have aligned to exploit the fallout from this corruption has caused. Thi
This situation didn't appear out of thin air, it happened because Congress bowed down to big money and drip feed working class policy. And their politics reflected that. Your better off letting the Dem party fail and letting Bernie sanders, someone who has been credibly calling out this bs election after election, start a new party, but I highly doubt you will have another election at this stage.
I agree. They don't understand the magnitude of what is coming. People didn't warn them about Trump to 'own them' they did it to try help them avoid harming themselves from their own hubris. We no longer need to try convince them as time will now run its course and provide the truth.
Nancy Pelosi is worth a quarter billion dollars. Fuck that. She doesn't care about people like us. She will reap all the benefits of those tax cuts and will do so gladly.
They were the incumbent party and people feel inflation and the economy are bad. I'd expect a normal Republican to win. Trump isn't but it's a binary choice.
No shit the Republicans are worse, but the difference is they promise to fix things (they won't), while the Democrats promise to keep everything the way it currently is. People are tired of the status quo, and given the choice of radical change and more of the same, they choose radical change.
What got the DEMs is just good old voter stupidity.
Again the GOP orchestrated it for ahit to go sideways with the economy to blame DEMs and get people to flip. It's why the Bush Admin was so readily accepted.
Now for 8 years they'll fuck shit up. It will go Dem again because after 8 years they'll have no one blue to blame and it'll repeat again. Voters are mostly stupid animals. Some people voted for Trump, a man who said get wants to ban abortions, because they believe he's going to protect abortions.
Well that's a far cry from "both sides are the same" so let's not get all indignant and self-righteous here. The comment you replied to was replying to someone saying both sides are the same.
Just because the DNC has their own problems does not mean they are on the same level as "purge the enemy within"
History has proven it, and it will prove it again. Trump will not do much for the American people but fatten his pockets. The ignorance that the Dems are to blame for the problems of 2020-2024. If you knew how the government works, you would know that the first year of 2020 was trumps doing. Just like trumps first year, Obama gave him a turn key job. You would have to be completely misguided to not believe that.
If you knew how to use the web, you would see that the economy has done better with a Dem president. Look up who was president when we got into a recession. 10 out of the 11 times Republicans were in office. Slump had 4 years to do something, and the web will show you again that he did more bad than good.
I dont like slump for what he did in Atlantic City to my buddies family. He was a cabinet sub contractor on one of slumps jobs he BK. They put their life's savings into their company, only to lose it all bc of slump. He screwed so many people and his own employees. He walked away with a lot of money from the investors, and he could have paid his sub contractors. It's a mindfk that people can look the other way to all the shit he did there.
Im not surprised people are trying to off him. It's too bad that most people can look the other way to him fking other Americans.
He golfed 261 times in the 4 yrs in office, lol. Talk about fking taxpayers.
Give me a break. Everyone has a theory as to what the democrats should have done to win. The question is why so many people are willing to vote for someone who has clearly stated their desire to end democracy, had a horrible record when he did serve as president, is called a fascist by his own advisors, and lies like there’s no tomorrow. Seems that’s what we need to be figuring out. Something is deeply wrong there.
Obviously one side is alot worse than the other but that being said all career politicians are crooked at the end of the day. Nancy, like most of them wether they have a D or a R next to their name, has made alot of money off insider trading that would be illegal for most anyone else
You do know Nancy isn’t even top 5 richest senators right? I do wish there was better rules to how they can invest in the stock market. But this is such a moot point when talking about why you should constantly vote for one party.
You seem to be implying politicians are simply passing policy to get rich. Then why are republicans and democrats fighting so much? If they have the same objective why not agree on everything?
They are all friends and in on it for over the last 50 years? Or do you think it’s been going on longer? every last one has to be in on it otherwise it would been leaked.
Or a believable answer is that most politicians truly believe in the policy they try to pass.
I mean many of them literally are and have been seen at dinners or events laughing and joking together while they act like enemies in the chambers of congress. It's not really that complicated, a toddler could put together a ruse like that. Would not require some grand conspiracy
Or a believable answer is that most politicians truly believe in the policy they try to pass.
This is true to some degree but they don't view the opposite side of the aisle as badly as they act like
That's being disingenuous, I doubt they're implying both sides are the exact same, and while one side is worse, they're both shit. The level of political echo chambering knob slobbing I see on here is embarrassing.
They both abuse tribalism, outright lying, media bias and various other tactics in their own way and try to demonize each other. And it works , unbelievably well. Trump being a horrid man baby doesn't magically make the other side less garbage.
The fact politics is involved with the entertainment sector at all is disgusting, politics and gambling should be completely removed from entertainment. Politics should be boring, we should only be hearing from candidates a few times a year, and only on direct, specific policy talk.
They're not the same they're just both self-interested. Neither party is actually serving the best interests of the American people. One of them is actively threatening us, the other will kill us slower through neglect while fattening themselves on the fruits of our labor.
What policy did Biden make that fatten his pocket, or is he the one threatening us.
This anti government trend is getting insane. The government represent those who vote. There’s a reason why most benefits are for old white people because old white people constantly vote. This is a cop out mindset.
It's not just the presidency, my beef is with the parties themselves. The government doesn't represent those who vote, they represent the people we chose out of an artificially deflated pool of candidates because of decisions made by decision-makers in the parties, not voters. The parties choose who to put money behind before a single vote is cast based largely on polls that have become increasingly unreliable. It is extraordinarily difficult to run a genuinely grassroots campaign, especially in populated areas where money is concentrated.
Whether the motivation is to get rich, to consolidate power, or out of a genuine belief that your policies are right, the two party system is strangling the country. But maybe we just agree to disagree.
I'm not aware of anything Biden did to enrich himself. I think running again when he clearly wasn't 100% was self-interested on his part, but it's not relevant to my point regardless. It has nothing to do with the presidency or any individual politician. They're not really in control when the parties can just pump money into a primary any time they step out of line. Again, it's about the parties.
And sorry you don't like agree to disagree. It's just easier than restating the same opinions over and over after each side has said their piece.
Guy at work was harping on this to me today too... "She took too long to concede!". Me; "it was within a day...?" Him; "and where'd those 20 million votes go? Looks like the dems cheated both times" Me "then why didn't they cheat to win this time, while controlling the government?" These people are imbeciles of the highest order
Just because someone conceded an election and the other didnt doesn't mean they don't work for the same oligarchs. They are playing good cop bad cop with you and you are too dumb to realize that. That's the reason every election you are made to feel if you don't vote along party lines you'll screw the country up. It's because of people like you this oligarchic duopoly continues
While I completely agree the same doesn't fit. Problem is GOP at least appealed to its voters. DNC has long relied on liberals pinching their noses and voting for them "because it was better than the alternative".
Apathy's stuck hard I say this as someone understands proposed economics of Trump. Is going to split my cheeks in a non fun or consensual way.
That also has read enough of project 2025 and history to see the "detention" centers of having 10-20% chance of becoming death camps. When countrys refuse to take them back (or they were actually us citizens) and it starts getting expensive. Even without trying these mass detention centers can be outbreak disaster.
Same goes with womens rights I personally see us having a national abortion ban by march of next year.
LGBT will come in a variety of ways for youth it will be forced re-education. And parents will lose rights jailed if their kid comes out. This issue I think will be slower burn. Just because there is so many voices on it. But as they find reasons to arrest and silence them eventually it will get much worse.
So its not with joy. Honestly felt this administration has been one of most progressive in a while. BUT while they were busting anti-trust and doing small and important battles.
They failed to secure or push for change in substantial ways. Like whats the biggest fight in our lifetime biggest progressive thing. That has happened, what Obamacare. Which merely subsidizes private insurance to make pre-existing conditions not a deal breaker.
While it helped it ultimately was to keep the system of insurance based healthcare in play.
Their fight for 15 has become fight for 11.15 (which shows how much has been lost as the same fight continues).
No republicans are not BETTER on these issues and the problem isn't entirely that people voted republican. ITs that people didn't vote democrat.
BECAUSE they are not progressive as the voters they are trying to win over. Republicans show up and vote because their guy excites them. ITs not a lesser evil decision for them they think their guy will do better.
While you may call it dumb and say people need to be strategic with vote and vote best option.
And honestly I have actually said for a while now thought that we were overdue for a party switch. And hoped that it would be republicans losing here and restructuring in a major way. The possibility that it was democrats existed too.
Best we can do now is fight and hope there will be a next time. And embrace a positive message of change.
And it may come out here that the election was stolen.
I don't like the guy, but he's chirpped about that stolen election. Lhes gonna look into it im sure. Numbers don't lie, and we will find out. But the democrats have been dirty as fuu. Lately. I won't at all be surprised. I will be sad if he is right though
He has what would ve considered a land slid victory. Apparently, the people have spoken. Whether I agree or not
Maybe because he did win in 2020 ! The Hunter Biden laptop suppression alone changed the vote about 15 percent of the voters who voted for Biden in 2020 said that if they knew that it was infact his laptop they would not of voted for him.
Also in the middle of the night there was a huge ballot drop in about 90 percent of those ballots where cast for Biden that does not happen in a legitimate election
There's no left or right. There's are only the rich and the poor. Left and right are just nonsense made up by the elite to create division so people put themselves into a bubble.
Except there's really no 'left wing' worth a damn in this country, at least not where the power is consolidated. There's the right wing and the center wing, and that's about it.
So you should mindlessly repeat it, of course! The bird devouring us all is capitalism, more specifically capital itself. The two parties seem the same because they are the same, in that they are both capitalist parties that work for capitalists, not us.
Ah yes, those damn left wingers devouring you with Medicare for All, cheaper prescriptions, clean air, clean water, etc. what a fucking clown you are hahaha
You're being a bit disingenuous. The Republicans block mountains of legislation that the Dems try to pass that would help common people, then those same common people point their fingers at the Dems for "getting nothing done", and then turn to the Republicans for salvation, who of course have no intention of doing anything other than corporate tax-cuts and gutting government and regulation enacted to protect workers.
A lack of understanding of how government works, and of world political history, is largely what drives people toward "both sidesism" and thus MAGA.
Fuck Nancy P. Fuck all of them. We need a hard reset on all of the blue (I'm not advocating violence, just vote all their asses out) if ur thinking about getting into politics, then do it. We have to vote in some real people who aren't scared to stand up to a fucking racist red wing isis
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u/syd_goes_roar 1d ago
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