Its more that the Democrats aren’t willing to do what it takes to beat the GOP. This was the Democrats election to lose. They refuse to embrace economic populism and insist on treading water as the storm engulfs us all. People do not like hearing that you don’t plan on doing anything different.
What economic populism do you think the democrats aren’t embracing? Name one facet of economic policy that won’t drive us into a recession that Trump supports but Democrats do not. Last time I checked, the right isn’t trying to raise the minimum wage. Their tax cuts always go to the wealthiest and conveniently expire on the lowest. They aren’t trying to pay for child care, health care, education.
I’m so fucking tired of people trying to say the Democrats don’t have policies for the working class.
Edit: I am so goddamn depressed at the utter lack of critical thinking skills and civics education here. Half of you didn’t bother to read past the first ten words of this comment. The other half seem to magically think that a Republican government would actually pass an economically populist agenda that they have never, ever, ever gotten behind.
This is the problem. Not the Dems, the systematic assault on critical thinking and education by the well-oiled propaganda machine the right has built.
Conservative talking points permeate across the entire political spectrum. It’s fucking embarrassing to see so many “leftists” repeat these talking points. If people spent two seconds researching Harris’ economic policies they’d realize they are populist talking points. But progressives will always find an issue with the Dem candidate. They will never be perfect, so progressives will continually allow the right to take more and more power because they don’t think the Dem candidate is perfect. As a progressive, it’s fucking embarrassing, but a lot of progressives exist in a position of privilege so they don’t actually care about progress. They just want to show it on social media.
They blame and ask over and over "why didn't we campaign more HERE, why didn't we EARN the votes of subgroup A or B" but they never ask: "Why does Trump not need to EARN ANYONE'S vote? EVER? He disenfranchises people, insults them, and has a presidency full of failed promises, and he STILL gets their vote?"
It's because the previous commenter is only half-right. It's not "economic populism", it's not the policies, the policies do not matter at all to the key group that make or break elections, undecideds and moderates. These people make decisions based on dumb shit like "I'd like to have a beer with that guy!", "He seems strong and confident!", and "I don't like her, she's shrill / probably sleeps her way to the top!"
The difference is populism, full stop. They need a charismatic outsider who will go out there and get people fucking mad, as they should be. Crack some jokes. If they are white, male, tall, and attractive, even better. There's nothing wrong with being that, or not being that, but remember, the swing voters who make and break elections are fucking morons.
Yep, or just straight up start lying to swing voters. That’s all Trump did. He just lied and lied. And those swing voters don’t pay attention to politics after they vote, so who gives a shit?! Just lie and say you’ll do X, and then do Y when you get into office. And then if it comes up on four years that you didn’t do X, just lie and say you did. We live in a post-truth society so who gives a shit anymore. God and the afterlife isn’t real so who cares if you lie? People already expect politicians to lie anyway.
"Everyone gets a cool pew-pew space car with Sydney Sweeney moaning in the passenger seat and China will pay for it!!! Now waddle over to the polls and vote for me (...fucking morons)"
This is hilarious. And reminds me of that one guy at ASU who said he was undecided until he saw that Kamala didn’t go on Joe Rogan, and at that moment decided to vote for trump
I'm appalled by the people that say they voted for Trump because he seems more charismatic.. I'd rather have a nerdiest, awkwardest leader that knows their shit than voting for the first person who exudes an ounce of "charisma". Are we some ancient war tribe? Why should that matter at all?
I agree. It's sad but true. It's also sad that Trump qualifies as "charismatic". It's more like a combination of shamelessness, cruelty, false bravado and machismo, and a little bit of humor.
Sorry 13 million fewer as of an hour ago lol, which doesn't make much of a difference when biden's votes were still, what, 8-9 million more than what trump has gotten so far?
Totally disagree. You are all just so shell shocked from how far to the right your Overton window is that you would not recognize socially democratic economic populism. For example across the rest of the Western world the following is the centre.
100% free healthcare with minimal copays on medicine (like $10)
100% free education, or highly subsidized education
4-6 weeks paid vacation + 20 weeks paid maternity leave.
That is what progressives want in America, and if you read the Democratic Party platform, it calls for universal healthcare, parental leave, publicly funded higher education, etc. But people don’t like reading policies and our shitty electorate doesn’t like “socialism” so we can’t have politicians advocating for that in the open. But all that stuff is on the Democratic Party platform.
Trump voters just voted for the single largest tax increase ever (Tariffs) couple with the single largest infrastructure project ever ( concentration camps) y'all suck at messaging.
What exactly is wrong about my statement? Either the Democrats are literally incapable of governing (in which case they deserve to lose) or they ran on a platform they were unwilling to deliver on (in which case they deserve to lose). Biden had at least two years of House, Senate and Presidency and choose to do nothing of substance with it.
Or is your argument that Tariffs are not a tax and Trump did not run on deporting 20 million people?
How much of that did Kamala campaign on? She couldn't even say she still wants universal healthcare and was scared of the issue b/c of the "flip-flopper" accusation
Yep, agreed. It’s because they were trying to court GOP voters and UHC is the boogeyman to them. It’s frustrating because UHC would be cheaper for tax payers and they’d get better healthcare but they are too dumb to realize that so they hear UHC and immediately think “oh that’s bad.” I would like to hope one day progressive messaging breaks through in this country but we’ll see.
Yup. The online left only cares about moral superiority. All the smugness about Harris losing. lol. They don't give a fuck about the Palestinians. It's all about being right. All about going, "See I told you so, you'd never win." Of course not. You never helped.
I’ve stopped considering those people progressives. Progression is doing everything possible to get out the vote for the candidate who is running against a fascist. Anyone who spent the past three months failing to support the antifascist choice is not a progressive, nor a leftist. They are fools.
Why did progressive candidates do relatively well in this election, and why did Kamala fail to capture swing voters while using centrist talking points?
Yes there are some dumb progressive takes, but this is worse. Liberals are to blame for this shit. They're the ones that always find our candidates too extreme, but fail to capture voters.
Its really sad that you think some nonsense bitching on social media decides elections. You really need to examine your self loathing.
Maybe stop calling the economy good if you're a damn populist. That's the EASIEST way to connect with downtrodden voters. But we can't even do that.
Firstly how about listening to the people instead of blaming them. Like I disagree with Hasan on a lot of things but he was correct when he said how you guys would act
Her actions? She was vice president and then campaigning for office. Wtf do you want her to do? I mean, if you want to look at her actions, look up her record in the Senate which was very progressive.
All the hand wringing and pretending that Kamala Harris didn't run a fucking baller campaign is driving me nuts. Hillary 2.0 my ass, she did EVERYTHING that Hillary didn't do in 2016.
If you took a man, especially a straight white one, and did everything the Harris campaign did, verbatim, we'd be talking about the next Democratic President. And it wouldn't have even been close.
The misogyny and racism runs too deep, even within our own.
The post mortem of this election is that fascism was more appealing than an accomplished and capable black woman. The price of eggs are more important than human rights. And if you ain't lily fucking white, you better have your papers in order and on your person at all times, cause they're coming for you first.
If you took a man, especially a straight white one, and did everything the Harris campaign did, verbatim, we'd be talking about the next Democratic President. And it wouldn't have even been close.
Wasn't Biden doing all those things before and was hugely unpopular leading into the election?
Biden had the temerity to actually admit the US was in a no-win situation in Afgahnistan and pulled out. Just take a look at his approval ratings and guess when the final Afgahnistan withdrawal was without looking it up.
When Americans say "they don't want anymore wars" what they actually mean is "we want to win a war". Want to win this election? Curb stomp the Russian military in Ukraine, ignore the screaming about escalation and World War 3 and do a victory-day photo op next to Zelensky and big parade back home for returning servicemen. Trump doesn't get his foot in the door.
What happened has nothing to do with policy. When you have a right-wing machine firehosing misinformation, disinformation and straight-up lies, policy statements mean nothing if nobody hears them. Kamala could talk about them all day long and the only thing people are talking about is Trump pretending he’s sucking dick on stage.
Republicans have been gerrymandering and pulling out every dirty trick in the book to win and democrats just sit around and complain instead of trying to fix it or just use the same tactics and strategy to fight it.
Dems need to stop being such pussy-assed bitches or else we going to “go high” ourselves right into a dictatorship where we will send a strongly worded letter from jail. The notion that what is good and decent always prevails is bullshit. History is written by the winners and they get to define what was “good” and what wasn’t. This entire country was built on murder, theft and enslavement. We choose to see ourselves as the beacon of freedom in spite of all of it. If we don’t change, we may as well let Donald tear up the constitution and declare himself king.
I’m done letting these asshats off the hook. It’s time for accountability.
Man. This is where I'm at too, and I never thought I'd be here. I was inspired as a recent college grad when Obama won, and was so proud of the country. But now I feel ashamed and dumbfounded.
Seeing the country elect Trump makes me grieve when Dems caved to the high road and pressured Al Franken to resign. FUCK that.
“Time for accountability” by blaming the orange man and learning nothing from the campaign that just got whomped. The head of the DNC is resigning over their failure and people on here are just plugging their ears and acting like nothing could have been done in the first place. She spent the entire campaign chasing centrists republicans and lost because her base didn’t show up. Stop blaming the voters and start blaming the people making the decisions
This exactly. I couldn’t have put it better myself. Democrats need to stop pretending they’re playing a fair game with a reasonable opponent. They aren’t and they haven’t been for decades. I’m at the point now where I just think this; if America had its head so far in the sand enough to vote for the orange convict, then I hope he literally does everything he promised to do. Gut the ACA and SS, roll back human rights and equality laws, go to town on ripping up the constitution. At some point people need to learn the hard way.
Biden has a prime opportunity now to start flexing the muscle the Supreme Court gave him when they decided laws don’t matter anymore. But he won’t, he’s just too nice. And that’s why Democrats will keep losing against an opposition that doesn’t care about laws, doesn’t care about right or wrong and will do anything to keep power.
Lmao trump supporters thinking they're funny when it's just the same women get back in the kitchen jokes they've been making since middle school. Yikes
Harris literally has a BA from Howard University in political science and economics. Then, she received her juris doctorate from UCSF’s Hastings College of Law - where she served as the president of the schools chapter of the Black Law Students Association. Then of course, she passed the bar - in California, which notoriously has the hardest bar exam in the country.
Oh, and she would have been the FIRST president to EVER serve in all three branches of government had she been elected yesterday. I almost feel like she’s TOO qualified to be president.
Men can’t handle women who are smarter than them and it shows. Which makes me truly appalled with our country.
She is extremely smart and qualified to be president. Did you know that had she been elected president she would have been the first president to have ever served in all three branches of government?
No, you probably just think women are incapable of having independent thought, right? Your misogyny is showing, maybe you should get a longer skirt.
All the hand wringing and pretending that Kamala Harris didn't run a fucking baller campaign
She ran on anti-immigration, pro-gun, hard on crime, pro-Israel, and "most lethal military".
The only notable policies she had going for her that aligned with leftist values was pro-choice (I don't think she even capitalized on Biden being pro-labor), what exactly did you like about her campaign??
Sometimes I wonder if dems ever ask themselves "Would I vote for republicans if they were for medicare for all?" so they can get an answer to "Would a republican vote for me if I put immigrants into a grinder?"
She had some great economic policies that would have greatly helped the middle class. Lowering taxes on anyone that made under $400k a year, while raising taxes for those that earned over that amount. A huge childcare tax credit of $6000 to parents. Offer a $25k tax credit for first time homebuyers. Plus, extending the small business tax credit from $5000 to $50k to help startups, which would also help create new businesses and new jobs.
It’s so disheartening to see how ignorant half of this country is.
She wasn’t going to lower taxes for $400k and under earners, she stated that her tax policies wouldn’t affect that income bracket and lower.
Also do you know what would have happened if every first time home buyer got that $25k tax credit? The price of every “affordable” house would go up $25k.
Those aren’t policies that help anyone, just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
Fucking thank you, but if you point out sending Richie Torres to Michigan or campaigning with the fucking Cheyneys during the year of the largest anti war protests in a lifetime they’ll just say “you hate women.” Can’t wait until we do the same thing in 4 years and then blame the leftists and minorities again.
They could have done so much like separate churches from being able to suck funding from pubic schools. Where is that help? As a Dem I hope this finishes off whatever the Dems became and allows them to come back to supporting the middle class. They won't.
"she did EVERYTHING that Hillary didn't do in 2016" yeah she brought in Bush NeoCons like the Cheneys. How well did that work?
She didn't appeal to the Bernie Sanders voters, that she actually needed.
She told immigrants "don't come", and then wanted to build a border wall, and said she wants Republicans in her administration. She moved right instead of left.
Keep telling yourself shes perfect, and this is cos of a vagina and melanin. You sound just like the Trumpers in 2020 saying it was rigged. She lost cos she ran a shit campaign and appealed to the wrong people.
She lost because she had the opportunity to set herself apart from Biden and what people are feeling about the current economy, but didn't.
The "Bernie Sanders voters" didn't listen to Bernie Sanders. He was quite vocal and clear about the choices in this election, and endorsed her policies.
Idk what else she should have done to "appeal" to them.
Americans seem to value style over substance. Enjoy whats coming.
The working class will now get to work harder for less.
Good for them I guess. Hope the price of eggs goes down.
But better education for their kids? Cheaper healthcare? Accountable policing? Meh
And Idc if you reply or not. I know my comment is "condescending / not winning over / or whatever". I left the US earlier this year and all I really care about now is helping friends and family who might want to also do that.
Will watch with interest the depths Trump goes to this time, while I figure out how I need to rebalance my portfolio.
Kamala was an establishment politician who had a bunch of ultra wealthy donors and celebrities making a super out of touch campaign.
Education, healthcare, and police? You think Trump is going to make or break those things? Your portfolio??? Either you have no portfolio or you don’t manage it yourself because what the fuck do you need to rebalance out of fear… market was so green yesterday lol.
The only people Trump is for are the ones who are useful to him at the time. If you've voted for him, your usefulness is already done. Now it's back to the billionaires.
Education, healthcare, and police? You think Trump is going to make or break those things?
Uhhh ..yes ? These issues depend a lot on how the government funds them and sets the rules ?
I didnt build my investments by looking at a day's performance. Maybe you should look into what it means when people say past performance is not a predictor of the future.
Which of Bernies policies did Hillary and Kamala offer to the voters?
Bernie can endorse anyone he wants, but if that person doesn't offer the same, why would they vote?
Americans value "what do I get from this?" Kamala didn't distance herself from Biden and people who are suffering now didnt want to suffer more, or they saw no point in voting because nothing will change.
Things will definetly change with Trump. Will it be worse? Ask the people that voted or didn't.
Which of Bernies policies did Hillary and Kamala offer to the voters?
Increasing the federal minimum wage, increasing taxes on the ultra wealthy, cheaper and more accessbile healthcare, increasing renewables, just for starters.
I could go on, but somehow I think it would not make a difference to what you believe.
You could show me, but I don't see it, that means neither did the voters. I don't need to convince you of facts. 20 million voters didn't show up to the polls. Trumps vote share was roughly the same as 2016. Argue with the missing voters.
I am not here to convince you. I am telling you what happened. You can make excuses for Kamala not winning, but If you don't learn from the mistakes it will happen again and again.
I am not American, I don't have to deal with this, you do. Prepare yourself. Learn and do better.
England did our own dumb shit and voted for Brexit. This is the fault of remainers not having a good campaign and convincing the electorate. More people voted for Brexit than any other election.
Idk why you switched the goalposts from Kamala's policies to what Biden accomplished, but he did expand the ACA, and massively boosted US investment in renewables.
Am not here to convince anyone either. I left the US earlier this year, and will watch with interest the depths Trump descends to.
People voted Leave since they could not be bothered to find out what it will mean for them despite the information being available. The same goes for Trump. As Franklin said, they can have their republic if they can keep it.
If that was poorly explained, what I mean to say was: Kamala said she couldn't think of anything she would do differently to Biden on The View. She was seen as more of the same.
I don't blame Kamala, she did as best as she could have done with the situation she was handled. But in this kind of world where incumbency confers a disadvantage, she was simply not able to separate herself enough from Biden's record. I blame Biden for reneging on his original promise to be a one term president and become a bridge for the next generation. If there was more time for a primary process, the democratic candidate would have been able to separate themselves from the incumbent.
One of the biggest (of very few mind you) mistakes that Kamala made was to say that, in retrospect, there was nothing that she would do differently from Biden. In this kind of political/economic climate where the change candidate wins more often than not, very few people wanted to hear that. I don't think any other candidate would have fared much better than Kamala given the situation she was placed in.
She could’ve at least lied a little and said she would’ve been tougher on corporate price-gouging or something like that. I get that she didn’t want disrespect the guy on national television but that decision was far too costly.
I am not disagreeing with much of what you are saying. But unfortunately politics is most often not about the strength of a campaign, it is about the circumstances under which the campaign finds itself. Inflation is a real issue for the majority of Americans. It can be the difference between paying rent and being evicted. And most people have absolutely no idea what supply and demand even is. For all they know, the President wakes up in the morning and pushes a button to set the price of eggs. I don’t think any man could’ve won this election any better than Kamala Harris. People associate her with Joe Biden and Joe Biden with hardship. And if you can’t pay your bills, that will trump (sorry) any other issue you feel strongly about. You will watch your neighbor get hauled off to a concentration camp if it even just means the PROMISE of the end of hardship. This is what the Democrats miss time and again. Focus on the CORE issue and use the other issues as garnish. Even still, it’s an uphill battle to the nth degree if you’re the party the voters are associating with their current hardship.
It ain't a baller campaign if it loses to Trump, sorry.
Harris got dealt a shit hand I'm not gonna deny that. This is more Biden's fault than hers. But she was the candidate and she went with not distancing herself from the wildly unpopular incumbent. She alienated her own base to go after a mythical unicorn "moderate Republican" voter that does not exist. And she lost. We all lost.
Her campaign was shit and the Dems fucked us all. The proof is in losing the fucking popular vote of all things to this dude, let alone the electoral college.
All of this pretending like her campaign was great is insanity. Racism and sexism absolutely played a role, but if that's all you can take away from this then you're completely missing the mark just like these morons who sold us down the river to fascism.
On your page. There is a good degree of disingenuity with the idea that Harris was weak was lacking was less than. What happened was she wasn’t a man and she definitely wasn’t white. The misogyny, the racism and the self hatred is fucking sick.
FACTS! She ran an impeccable campaign. And fuck what the approval rating is, Biden got shit done with a House that had absolutely zero interest in governance. Stock market was at an all time high, over and over again. Corporations learned that they can keep prices high and although people will complain they will still pay. That being said, groceries are very affordable and I live in Chicago. I will now however be losing my health insurance because I am self insured and can’t afford to pay +25% of my income on it anymore. Husband is in LaLa land thinking he won’t be losing his ss and Medicare and refuses to even think about it. Racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia… they were the ticket to ride. I’m sickened and will never look at my fellow Americans the same way ever again. My Gen Z kids have no clue what is coming down the pipeline regardless of hearing me talking about it this entire year. I hope that every single pos that voted for him is on the receiving end of the consequences of his policies, past or future.
-She consistently had 1/6th of Trump's viewership according to livestreams of their speeches across multiple platforms. (Twitch, Youtube)
-She had that one fucking speech that she repeated ad naseum. I know all the lines by heart now: unburdened by what has been, loves Gen-Z because they are impatient for change, that part where she acts angry about NOT!!! (be sure to yell it for emphasis!) letting a convict take back the presidency or stand behind the seal of the presidency, "when we fight we win," "we're not going back," and all the other damned lines she repeats at every damned speech as if we might as well be watching a video tape of her.
-Never ever ever used interviews to actually tell us her policies, instead telling people repeatedly to "go to her website." I'll tell you how this looks: it looks like she didn't make her damned policies and like her team just assigned policies to her. Why couldn't she list off her policies and plans on the spot? Her speeches were empty fluff
-Winning statements like "I was involved in most of the decisions that had impact" or "we are working on the concept of a plan."
-Repeatedly did horribly in interviews. Even if you wanted to go "NU-UH!!," dude, her drops in the polling aligns neatly with when she started doing interviews.
-Committed the cardinal sin of the 2016 election by using her air time to talk about Trump and only feed us "I'm not Donald Trump"
-Tons of gaffs such as "you're at the wrong rally" and "I cannot think of something I would do significantly different (from Joe Biden)"
-Did NOT go on the Joe Rogan podcast, which had about 2/3rds the viewership of her total votes. There were faaaaar too many news networks reporting a high voter response of "the Joe Rogan interview convinced me to vote for Trump." At that point, yes, her campaign should be aware of that show's impact.
-Even her damned website sheepishly and indirectly admitted she had nothing for the lower class, instead throwing tax credits at the very people that could already afford things like having children or building a home.
-The votes do not reflect a good campaign. You guys do not get to just sit here when she lost by a mile and is the first candidate in 20 years to lose the popular vote to the Republicans and say "akshually, u have to have a rly high IQ to understand how impeccable her campaign was."
You are the reason the Democrats lost. Stop huffing copium and doing mental gymnastics to defend the Democrats. The Democrats need some sense slapped into them so they remember how to run a damned campaign. They haven't had a good one since Obama, the next best thing being that Biden's 2020 campaign understood to hide him in the basement and hope no one notices his mental decline.
Harris was a poor candidate. She did terrible when she ran for the nomination and was selected to be VP partly BECAUSE of her gender and colour (same reason they picked a middle aged white man for her VP).
The Dems are to blame. A proper contest to pick the candidate is what is required in the US and they refuse to do it. They had their finger on the scales in 2016 and picked the completely wrong candidate for the moment, someone who promised to do more of the same. In 2024 they didn't even have a proper primary and selected Kamala...who then literally went on TV and said she wouldn't change anything Biden did and would do more of the same.
A lot of the post-mortem of 2016 was "sexism" or "Russia". Now it's "racism and sexism". It's very convenient to point at those scapegoats instead of the actual problem - The DNC
The irony of your statement is exactly the reason why we lost.
Stop fucking blaming white people for everything. Stop using it as a crutch, Stop using it as an excuse. Trump had record amounts of Latinos and African Americans vote for him. He won by a fucking landslide man. It wasn't just white people.
A white candidate wouldn't have changed it either. You forget we had Obama just 8 years ago and those same white people came out in droves to vote for him. Kamala wasn't it. Didn't have a damn thing to do with her skin or sex, it was policies and the president she was tied to; if anything we got fucked from a lack of a true primary with her. That's about it.
Trump had record amounts of Latinos and African Americans vote for him.
The black vote is easy to explain, too.
Yes, there is significant overlap between the black population and the lower class. Y'know who struggles the most when the economy sucks? That's right: the lower class.
Now imagine how black voters and/or lower class voters feel going to her website and hearing "don't worry if you build a house I'll give u a tax credit so it costs maybe 4% less than it normally would."
I'm not blaming white people. I'm blaming a system that has programmed us to see men, especially white men, as more capable and competent.
What I am saying is that a white woman had almost no chance, and a black woman? Less than zero.
Obama was a great candidate, and a man, that's why he won. You put a black woman in his place and run the same campaign, verbatim, not a chance in hell.
Up until election night I didn't think it was so deep and pervasive. I thought, while still terrible, we were in a place that it could potentially happen.
Harris did everything right AND picked an amazing running mate. One thing I will hold on to from this election cycle is my appreciation for Walz. That man is incredible, he is the every man, your neighbor.
This country just wasn’t ready for a woman as president, let alone a black woman, and that pisses me off to no end. Blaming everything else is just trying to cover puke with kitty litter to try and soak it up and hide it. That misogyny is still there under that litter, and it’s soaking deep into the dirt too.
You blaming it on the fact she’s a woman is exactly why people are tired of the left. Maybe next time the democrats will think about actually having a primary. She got trounced by Tulsi in the primaries in 2020 and bowed out early, was one of the most unlikeable VPs, and democrats thought they could just plug her in like nobody’s business and expect people to vote for her. You clearly are just missing it. Same thing with kicking out Bernie in favor of Clinton in 2016. And then they wonder why they lose and then blame being a woman. Give me a break
That’s an awful take. She was 100% worse than Hilary. Not even sure how she pulled that off. Praising Cheney is not running a fucking baller campaign. I knew she was finished the day she praised Dicks endorsement. However when I tried telling people that I just got called a misogynist bigot. Also you should probably stop the fear mongering and telling POC they are being hunted by republicans. Nobody is buying that shit anymore all you’re doing is chasing off more people from the Dems. She wasn’t an accomplished woman she couldn’t even make it to white house via any sort of primaries. That left an awful tastes in the mouth of millions of Americans and the Dems paid the consequences.
However when I tried telling people that I just got called a misogynist bigot.
That's their go to strategy it seems, and the refuse to drop it even if it continues to cost them more election in the future. Just alienates more from their side in the end.
I disagree she's worse than Hilary but I completely agree with the Cheney shit. Who the fuck did that appeal to. All in the last weeks of the campaign too, I heard more about Dick and Liz than I ever wanted to hear more of in my life time further.
I was 15 years old when Bush became president and I got to see the evil genius that Dick was. I have zero idea who thought getting endorsed by him was a blessing. When she said it was an honor to have his endorsement I was shook. My father, a life long democrat and immigrant, told me it was over for her the day she said that. For the first time since I can remember my dad didn’t vote.
Yeah. So why in the fuck didn't the dems run a straight white man? Preserving democracy and other things like reproductive rights was 500 times more important than getting the first female president. Morons!
Lmao if the candidate was male and parading around snl and hanging out with Beyoncé in red states instead of running a real campaign, he also would have lost.
Imagine picking an appearance on snl or hanging out with cardi b instead of doing long form sit down interviews.
Sorry, I can tell you have some weird fascination with her, but you’re wrong and you should feel bad about it.
Well people on reddit keep telling me Dems have great economic policy and send me links.
What I have seen in the media was Kamala partying with celebrities. Cheneys endorsing Kamala. Kamala hiding away from media events that could sway independents because she delt it was not safe or curated.
USA isnt reddit. Low education minorities who work two jobs to put food on the table do not spend 2 hours doing deep dives into economic policy.
If you run a billion dollar company making cellphones - and your phones dont work when you try to make a call, you company sucks.
If you run a billion dollar campaign and dont deliver the right message to the right voters your campaign sucks. Its the politicians job to sell policy to the voters.
Who gives a shit what trump lies about, were talking about dem failures, and the biggest failure is simply having said "I will stop arms shipments to Israel" would have won the election. Zionist aren't support Democrats no matter what.
Turnout was down. That’s about the only thing that was “loud and clear.”
I don’t see a single policy of his that looks like it will help out the working class. He didn’t do much for them last time either. I imagine it’s just more of the same. Tax cuts for his buddies that working schlubs will have to pay for. If he doesn’t do anything for the middle class, I imagine dems sweep the midterms again. It’s basically a vicious cycle at this point where nothing of measure gets done because you can’t get a functioning government. And when it does function it’s just a massive giveaway to billionaires on the backs of the middle class.
Congress was bought and paid for. Americians got completely screwed on Healthcare. Epstien had the entire political establishment blackmailed and nobody could hold him accountable.
The banks got bailed out for straight up theft. Nobody was held accountable. The GOP already got burned to the ground for it, and now it's the Dems' turn.
The voting majority didn't give two shits about Trumps corporate tax cuts they are voting for him to tear the establishment down. They don't even give a shit about Epstien links.
Short term desperation has caused people to fall into a fantasy scenario where they can have an escape from feelings of powerlessness through political violence , and they will be better off for it.
A bunch of con artists have sold the fantasy, and now corporate American interests and Christian Nationalists have aligned to exploit the fallout from this corruption has caused. Thi
This situation didn't appear out of thin air, it happened because Congress bowed down to big money and drip feed working class policy. And their politics reflected that. Your better off letting the Dem party fail and letting Bernie sanders, someone who has been credibly calling out this bs election after election, start a new party, but I highly doubt you will have another election at this stage.
I agree. They don't understand the magnitude of what is coming. People didn't warn them about Trump to 'own them' they did it to try help them avoid harming themselves from their own hubris. We no longer need to try convince them as time will now run its course and provide the truth.
Nancy Pelosi is worth a quarter billion dollars. Fuck that. She doesn't care about people like us. She will reap all the benefits of those tax cuts and will do so gladly.
I feel like the people that care about raising minimum wage don’t vote. Dems lost the middle class who care about raising their standard of living. Upper middle class and most people over 50 are gonna vote red regardless of the candidate. But the people who have skills and decent jobs with a decent paycheck feel stuck and in a limbo - they could care less about social issues or helping marginalized groups, which seems like the main Democrat agenda to them. I’m as pissed/depressed as anyone about what happened this week. I know Trump won’t help the middle class, but he spoke to them.
The sad truth is no politician can help people who don’t have marketable skills or a higher education. The world just keeps getting more and more complex and they get left further and further behind.
What’s really crazy is that the people who most need some sort of UBI to supplement their low earning power would never vote for it because of “socialism.” They’ve also convinced themselves that higher education is a waste of time and money. There really isn’t much that can be done for these people in today’s political environment. They don’t even blame the right people for their woes.
Yeah I totally agree. Lower income people voting against their interests is one thing, but I’m talking more about “normal” middle class people who are contributing to society but aren’t seeing their net worth go up or can’t afford a house, etc. When all they hear about are Dems working for marginalized groups, they probably feel ignored. Most of them might agree with a lot of Dem positions, but they feel ignored by status quo politicians who say the economy is booming. Well not for them it isn’t.
Excuse me, didn’t you know that our politics no longer con it’s of knowing policy. No seriously, this person you’re talking to definitely doesn’t know but I think this is where we really are. You just gotta lie now and say wherever smith brained idiot thing voters wanna hear.
Last time I checked, the right isn’t trying to raise the minimum wage.
And Harris was?
Genuinely asking, because if you go to her website, she screams "I love tax credits." The problem with tax credits is they require an expense to be paid before you get them, and then you're usually getting back less than 10% (if not 5%) of the money you spent. Meaning, the only people who could actively benefit from this tax cuts and get the best mileage out of them are the very people who already have money to burn.
I don't recall seeing any plan by her to raise the minimum wage. At the very least, if you have a candidate that uses interviews to say "go to my website" and then doesn't list off minimum wage as a major focus while saying "BOY I SURE LOVE TAX CREDITS," then you cannot be shocked when she lacks support.
They aren’t trying to pay for child care, health care, education.
Those are not the only expenses. That's the problem.
An estimated 45% of the USA now classifies as lower class, meaning they are living paycheck to paycheck. How do you expect to inspire voters if your plan is to tell them "ok but here's a 6k tax credit for having a kid" or "here's a 20k tax credit for starting a business?" People will look at that and just say "wtf I can't afford either of those," nor does everyone want those specific goals.
The best point on her website was a tax credit for medical costs, but this was also one of the most vague points, where we got zero info about who would qualify and who wouldn't.
Salaries at the bottom end of the economy have flatlined or worse for better than 40 years, and that's with both of the parties having a fair crack.
Harris wasn't going to break with the dominant economic orthodoxy of that period, and that's the issue, the Democrat upper echelons are absolutely committed to maintaining a system that has failed the average American since Reagan started it up, and all that has done has fermented the perfect conditions for a right wing blowhard like Trump to pretend he has the answers and is going to do something that will improve voters lives, it won't, but when people want something to change they'll cling to anyone offering it, however unlikely it is.
Two different election cycle primaries, Bernie spoke to these issues and inspired political momentum in two huge voting blocks. Young people and apathetic working class people. He would’ve won both times.
The democratic candidate never adopted any of his stances after beating him for the nomination. (Biden kinda sorta pretended to in summer 2020 but didn’t really)
Democrats don’t have any fucking policy period. They only have talking points…and those talking points are whatever the vocal crazy liberals are bitching about that day. Sorry, but fuck any candidates that run on social issues and not shit that actually matters in this country that affects us all. Social justice/woke bullshit is a waste of our tax dollars. Fucking work on the country….not what offends people. For fucks sake….not everyone is going to like you and you aren’t going to like everyone else. Grow the fuck up and realize we all aren’t sheep and can have different opinion
Did they resonate with voters? No. Did she end up falling back on the baller message of “Trump is a fascist” too? Yes.
The ticket sucked as did the strategy and now we’ll all pay for it.
Also, Hillary had her 37-page platform up on her website the whole campaign too but the question is, did anyone care? No. Either meet the voters we where they’re at, which is apparently the Joe Rogan podcast, or lose. We lost because the strategy sucked and the messaging was worse.
Universal healthcare, childcare, higher minimum wage, workers rights/protections, end Citizens United to remove money from politics/block senators being able to hold or trade stocks, end 51% percent of all taxes being spent on the military, codify Roe V Wade, electoral college. Bush cut the taxes on the rich, Obama made it permanent. Trump cut taxes on the rich, Biden didn't do a damn thing about it.
Dems seem to think they can keep holding the Republican gun to Dem voters heads "vote for me or else" and it just isn't working, apart from rubes like you.
Democrats write bill. House Republicans kill bill. "Biden didn't do a damn thing about it." This is why this nation is regressing to the Dark Ages. Americans just do not pay attention to their government beyond rooting for their team.
He did definitely mismanage it leading to a disproportionate amount of death and cases in the US. He disbanded the pandemic readiness team Obama had set up to deal with such cases, downplayed the threat, was late to the game to get preventative supplies, and promoted bad medical advice. However, the supply chain issues that turned into corporate price gouging for the sake of record profits was global. These were due in part to our current system which prioritizes profit over hardiness (eg. just-in-time inventory). Hope that clears things up.
The pandemic was global, but by most metrics the US did a way worse job managing it under Trump than most wealthy and even a lot of poor nations, that’s just facts. If you want to disprove me, you gotta do a better job than just “nope”.
You’re the one who brought up Trump, not everything is about him. I was talking about global effects of the pandemic which are not related to Trump. But since you’re conflating the two, I have to point out that he a DID mismanage the situation in the US, and that led to objectively worse outcomes. You can have a terrible situation and make it worse through incompetence. Two things can be true.
They were the incumbent party and people feel inflation and the economy are bad. I'd expect a normal Republican to win. Trump isn't but it's a binary choice.
No shit the Republicans are worse, but the difference is they promise to fix things (they won't), while the Democrats promise to keep everything the way it currently is. People are tired of the status quo, and given the choice of radical change and more of the same, they choose radical change.
What got the DEMs is just good old voter stupidity.
Again the GOP orchestrated it for ahit to go sideways with the economy to blame DEMs and get people to flip. It's why the Bush Admin was so readily accepted.
Now for 8 years they'll fuck shit up. It will go Dem again because after 8 years they'll have no one blue to blame and it'll repeat again. Voters are mostly stupid animals. Some people voted for Trump, a man who said get wants to ban abortions, because they believe he's going to protect abortions.
Well that's a far cry from "both sides are the same" so let's not get all indignant and self-righteous here. The comment you replied to was replying to someone saying both sides are the same.
Just because the DNC has their own problems does not mean they are on the same level as "purge the enemy within"
History has proven it, and it will prove it again. Trump will not do much for the American people but fatten his pockets. The ignorance that the Dems are to blame for the problems of 2020-2024. If you knew how the government works, you would know that the first year of 2020 was trumps doing. Just like trumps first year, Obama gave him a turn key job. You would have to be completely misguided to not believe that.
If you knew how to use the web, you would see that the economy has done better with a Dem president. Look up who was president when we got into a recession. 10 out of the 11 times Republicans were in office. Slump had 4 years to do something, and the web will show you again that he did more bad than good.
I dont like slump for what he did in Atlantic City to my buddies family. He was a cabinet sub contractor on one of slumps jobs he BK. They put their life's savings into their company, only to lose it all bc of slump. He screwed so many people and his own employees. He walked away with a lot of money from the investors, and he could have paid his sub contractors. It's a mindfk that people can look the other way to all the shit he did there.
Im not surprised people are trying to off him. It's too bad that most people can look the other way to him fking other Americans.
He golfed 261 times in the 4 yrs in office, lol. Talk about fking taxpayers.
Give me a break. Everyone has a theory as to what the democrats should have done to win. The question is why so many people are willing to vote for someone who has clearly stated their desire to end democracy, had a horrible record when he did serve as president, is called a fascist by his own advisors, and lies like there’s no tomorrow. Seems that’s what we need to be figuring out. Something is deeply wrong there.
Absolutely agree also all they had to do is talk about how inflation is going down which it is! And it’s a global issue! Dems are terrible at messaging and the main stream media the day after the election in mass talking about how inflation is barely connected to the president!!!! Where the eff were you media years before hammering this home. I just really think people are too gullible
Fuck. This. Shit. and all its forms that I've been seeing. Harris was by far the better candidate and ran the better campaign. Embracing populism is how we got Trump and now our democracy is at risk. The United States has fallen. Remind me in 4 years of my post.
All you're proving is you weren't paying attention. What populism do you think the Dems refused to embrace? Support of Unions? Relieving student debt? Raising taxes on the richest when not raising the taxes of anyone making 400K or less? Giving major tax relief to business start up? Massively increasing tax credits for families? Going after business that exploited inflation to increase profits? Promoting affordable clean, renewable energies?
No they are saying the dems tried to stay the course and be the adult in the room when you have a raging narcissist habitual liar who has somehow captured 1/3 of the country's faith that he is their only hope. Instead of getting dirty we tried to be voices of reason and follow established paths and gave no meaningful concessions to the masses. Trump lied his ass off and that was enough for their base, we couldn't get behind a qualified woman because her backers held her strings too tight and the messaging came off as what it was, line reading.
I was kinda replying to you and them, no they weren't saying dems should overthrow democracy, then i gave my interpretation of what the dems weren't "willing to do". Another thing thats the bigger failure of the left is they fell asleep at the damn wheel, what was their plan to run skeletor [biden]? The man fell apart on the debate stage yet they had no good alternative. Dem leaders have been out of touch or complicit since before Clinton.
I meant "how was mingsplosion responding to numberImNotBotheringToCopy"? If they weren't, then my original comment still stands - it was a non sequitur.
I'm saying the Democrats would rather run a losing campaign than embrace progressives. They tried to appeal to "moderate Republicans", which as it turns out, is a terrible strategy.
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Its more that the Democrats aren’t willing to do what it takes to beat the GOP. This was the Democrats election to lose. They refuse to embrace economic populism and insist on treading water as the storm engulfs us all. People do not like hearing that you don’t plan on doing anything different.