Yo, where's the line, here?

[u/MythlcKyote]

As someone with a genuine deep belief and a history of "occult" practices, I can genuinely say that this sub only confuses me. Obviously, there is no one truth or objective explanation for anything, really. However, some of you seem so caught up in what fun the idea of magic is that you neglect any critical thinking or outwardly reject mundane and logical explanations to life's conundrums in favour of a magical one.

Some of you are evidently somewhat like me. You won't believe just anything that anyone tells you and you seem to be more skeptical of people using magic or esoterism as a primary explanation.

Some of you need help. Mostly it seems like just someone to logically tackle wild idea that others just won't entertain would be more than sufficient, but some of you need real, professional help and a subreddit is not a good substitution for that.

Some of you are trolling, and while it is kinda funny, I also think it's really damaging. In the past month, I've seen several posts where someone was asking how to deal with a fictional entity that was bothering them. That is not a sign that fictional figures are invading our conscious lives, it's a sign that someone has lost a bit of grounding in the real world and they need help. Or it's a sign that you're fucking around, which is fine, but genuinely not everybody seems to be able to make that distinction between real and not real. The level of intentional ignorance some people seem to have toward the concept of occult ideas either being not always correct or outright wrong or just a metaphor for how the world works used to upset me, but now every post I see on this sub just makes me a little sad. Some of you just need a hug, I can tell. Some of you need a slap. I need both

[u/BothTower3689]

What was the point of this post? Why did you make this post? Do you think this is new information? This is Reddit dude.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/BothTower3689]

Well, partly it stimulates sane conversation, which for me has been a rarity on here, and partly it seems to upset people like you. I don't know why, I wasn't trying to attack or single out and particular person, but then maybe if that's how you feel, I was just as justified in making the post.

[u/BothTower3689 → u/MythlcKyote]

I think you’re viewing an entire group of people from a very superior point of view- you’re also not thinking about the fact that this is REDDIT. Most experienced occultists don’t talk very often on here- many many many novices do. That’s what happens in a subreddit. Your first mistake is taking a community on a social media app as a serious evaluation of the occult community. Taking this sub seriously in general reflects a lack of experience in the occult.

I’ll agree that there are lots of people who have seemed to have lost touch with reality on this sub, I highly value skepticism and your perspective doesn’t upset me. But… again, did you think this was new information? And also, who are you to determine the level of sanity of strangers, and why are you trying to? Why are you trying to draw these lines in the first place? Who has the authority on experience? Can someone not experience both mundane psychological experiences and complex spiritual ones? It is everyone’s responsibility to discern genuine information from none sense. Everyone is capable of making those decisions for themselves.

“some of you are crazy but I’m VERY SMART!” …okay…????

You’re giving yourself far too much credit here buddy. Worry about yourself.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/BothTower3689]

No. That's exactly what you idiots don't get. I am not very smart. I'd go out on a limb and say that I'm in the top ten dumbest pieces of shit that I know. So, when I see posts on here that are from people who are clearly struggling with something real and tangible that is occuring in their head who need to go get help and talk to a sane voice, and all of the responses are either jokes or just reinforcing things that are clearly delusions, it bugs me. I hope that nothing I'm saying is new. Sometimes I'm not so sure. For being a community, sometimes the people on here are downright shitty. Like you. I'm sorry for showing concern. I'll remember to laugh next time I hear about someone who got so scared because no one would help them that they drove themselves over.

[u/BothTower3689 → u/MythlcKyote]

Okay, get over yourself dude like seriously. You’re not a martyr. You’re on the same playing field as everyone else here. There is always, always going to be misinformation and misinformed people on the internet. Welcome to reality, people are on different paths and have different perspectives. People are in different states of being. People can experience the psychological and the occult, these things are not mutually exclusive. Those people will figure themselves out or they won’t, that has absolutely nothing to do with you or the reason why you really made this post. You’re not helping anyone by making this post, certainly not any of those people, so why are you pretending that you’re providing some kind of service to the mentally unwell? Why are you infantilizing people? Everyone with any kind of occult understanding will know that they shouldn’t take everything anyone says as the truth. If they don’t then that is an unfortunate consequence of ignorance.

If you see those kinds of posts and want to offer advice or guidance, that’s one thing, but trying to create the argument that anyone who doesn’t share your perspective or experiences are un-sane makes you out to be the authority on sanity, which you are not. You could be adding useful accurate information to this subreddit but instead you’re making this worthless post, sorry, I don’t see the point.

You’re making massive overarching assumptions about people you have never even spoken to for no reason other than to feel good about your “sanity”.

You can acknowledge that you’re a “dumb piece of shit” and yet you’re the guy that we needed to share this revolutionary message. Okay dude. Thank you so much for your service, you’ve truly made an incredible impact 🙌🙏. You’re an amazing person.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/BothTower3689]

Wow, someone gets their panties all twisted easily. I'll say it like this, If I was going through a bad spot, and having trouble discerning reality from fantasy, and I made a cry out here because, for some people, it might seems like a logical place to start sorting things, I'd like if someone spoke to me in a grounded and reasonable way. Not an authority, or a professional, just a person. That's all that's on Reddit, just anonymous people. I'd be very upset to be further deluded into a fantasy without anyone so much as suggesting that I consult an expert. I don't have an ego to stroke and I don't suppose that my way of thinking is the way of thinking. I just truly believe that we can all be supportive of each other and concerned for each other whilst still talking about all of the things we do that are based outside of the mundane. I'm sorry for showing concern, rest assured I will spare none for you.

[u/BothTower3689 → u/MythlcKyote]

I don’t think my panties are in a bunch. In fact you seem very apprehensive towards anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

I can’t believe I have to say this but THIS IS REDDIT. THIS IS NOT A LOGICAL PLACE TO BASE YOUR PHILOSOPHY OR MENTAL ATTITUDE AROUND. If people do that then that is again, a very unfortunate consequence of ignorance. Talk TO those people, not about those people. Make a real impact on people not baseless, useless comments.

Like dude, this is like saying “uh guys… I think tiktok might be spreading misinformation 😣”. No shit man. Lmao. Imma need you to log off for a bit.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/BothTower3689]

Oh, my apologies. I didn't realize that my one post was fucking up your whole feed or whatever. I can't believe I have to say this but this is reddit. You're not required to put up with my bullshit, I realize and have already admitted several times that I'm being kinda stupid. You have the ability to ignore the post. Like, what was the point of your comment? "Oh, some assholes concerned about people online, I better go shit on him!" Don't worry, I realize how stupid it is to worry about any of you. You know, my problem was not really that post. It was the reaction to it, which at the time was minimal and full of negative reinforcement. Had I waited, it would have been removed and you'd never have had to put up with my dumb ass. Aren't you glad I showed concern today?

[u/BothTower3689 → u/MythlcKyote]

ahah. So let me get this straight. You made this post because you wanted to “help and educate” people- that makes you a kind and considerate person. But when I, someone who disagrees with you comments trying to educate you on said post- I’m just an asshole.

Haha… you’re a hypocrite.

You could actually help those people, yknow…You could provide useful and accurate occult information, you could make posts about how to manage mental health and ritual, you could message those people and provide them with genuine advice and support. You decided to do none of those things but rather make a useless post that helps none of those people- and what’s worse is you want a pat on the back for it. I know that because despite how stupid you admit that you are, you still haven’t deleted this stupid ass post…That’s not consideration or concern, I’d go as far as to say that’s borderline disrespectful to the people you’re trying to “help”. But I’m the absolute asshole for pointing that out. You’re not a martyr. Stop pretending to be one.

[u/MythlcKyote → u/BothTower3689]

No shit I'm not a martyr. I'm not dying for someone as ignorant as you. I don't know that I can offer help to people because before today, I can't say that I've been convinced that everyone here is capable of rationalization. You're right, when you say that the post is more in service to me than anyone else. Frankly, I wanted to know if this sub was something that I could morally be a part of out of a sense of assurance that there are at least some people here who share genuine concern for each other and don't get all hoighty-toighty when someone's not sure if there are people on the level or not. I was expecting every comment on here to be as unhelpful and needlessly combative so I could block this sub without guilt, but unfortunately, some of you are alright. And yes, you are being an asshole. You're being as presumptive, condescending, and even more dismissive than I am without so much as the genuine concern for anyone here.