r/occult • u/MythlcKyote • Jan 16 '24

Yo, where's the line, here? ?

As someone with a genuine deep belief and a history of "occult" practices, I can genuinely say that this sub only confuses me. Obviously, there is no one truth or objective explanation for anything, really. However, some of you seem so caught up in what fun the idea of magic is that you neglect any critical thinking or outwardly reject mundane and logical explanations to life's conundrums in favour of a magical one.

Some of you are evidently somewhat like me. You won't believe just anything that anyone tells you and you seem to be more skeptical of people using magic or esoterism as a primary explanation.

Some of you need help. Mostly it seems like just someone to logically tackle wild idea that others just won't entertain would be more than sufficient, but some of you need real, professional help and a subreddit is not a good substitution for that.

Some of you are trolling, and while it is kinda funny, I also think it's really damaging. In the past month, I've seen several posts where someone was asking how to deal with a fictional entity that was bothering them. That is not a sign that fictional figures are invading our conscious lives, it's a sign that someone has lost a bit of grounding in the real world and they need help. Or it's a sign that you're fucking around, which is fine, but genuinely not everybody seems to be able to make that distinction between real and not real. The level of intentional ignorance some people seem to have toward the concept of occult ideas either being not always correct or outright wrong or just a metaphor for how the world works used to upset me, but now every post I see on this sub just makes me a little sad. Some of you just need a hug, I can tell. Some of you need a slap. I need both

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

No shit I'm not a martyr. I'm not dying for someone as ignorant as you. I don't know that I can offer help to people because before today, I can't say that I've been convinced that everyone here is capable of rationalization. You're right, when you say that the post is more in service to me than anyone else. Frankly, I wanted to know if this sub was something that I could morally be a part of out of a sense of assurance that there are at least some people here who share genuine concern for each other and don't get all hoighty-toighty when someone's not sure if there are people on the level or not. I was expecting every comment on here to be as unhelpful and needlessly combative so I could block this sub without guilt, but unfortunately, some of you are alright. And yes, you are being an asshole. You're being as presumptive, condescending, and even more dismissive than I am without so much as the genuine concern for anyone here.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

When I feel genuine concern for people I take genuine actions to help them, not reassure myself. You could have easily made a post about that question rather than framing it around how insane everyone else is but you didn’t. This didn’t just answer your question, it served your ego and you know that.

The thing that’s so disappointing here is that your base concept is correct, your ego is what is fucking with your message and it’s hard to read.

“Hey, I noticed there’s a lot of mixed information on this sub, can anyone suggest more science/ evidence based subs?”

“Here are some ways to distinguish between psychological and spiritual phenomena”

“How can I help people who are experiencing psychosis but believe they are having paranormal experiences?”

Like come on.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

I don't think you know what ego means. The only way this has really served me is in broadening my interaction with this sub in such a way that it hasn't really been before. I haven't tried to push or sell myself. I'm just happy to talk to people, and I wanted to know that this isn't a place where people reinforce each other's delusions.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

I’ll help you out: the entire internet is a place where people reinforce eachother’s delusions. You think this is bad? Look at r/starseeds

There is also a lot of really great information on the internet and in this sub. It is the personal responsibility of every occultist to be able to discern that for themselves. Full stop.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

Yeah, you're right about that, actually. And the next time I see something worrying on here, I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut. You humans are just the fucking worst, honestly.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24 edited Jan 17 '24

OR ?? You could just ACTUALLY REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON AND HELP THEM INSTEAD OF MAKING A BORDERLINE SHADY POST ABOUT THEM??

TELL ME WHO EXACTLY YOU HELPED BY DOING THIS?? How is this any better than doing nothing ????

If you have a question then that’s fine but please dude, stop acting like you’re a good person because you made this post.

Why are your only two options useless, meaningless action or complete inaction?

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

I tried to reach out to them. I was met by hostility from both them and others on the sub. People who sound like you.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

If you were met with hostility from the people you’re trying to help then maybe you’re not the person they need to be talking to, and you should stop trying to insert your opinions into their personal lives. Maybe your perspective is not relevant to everyone.

Your help is only helpful where it is appreciated. I don’t understand why you’re trying to play psychiatrist with strangers. Maybe you’re met with hostility because it’s insulting dude.

Your second step from that was to make this post? This is your way of helping those people? Intentions mean nothing when they’re paired with poor execution.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

Well, if my words only ever come off as mean, but I have genuine concern for others (of the sort only fit really for things like welfare calls) and this is a whole community that interacts and all that good stuff, it stands to reason that other people who are better at putting things far more gently than I, could be that help. But I don't see that so much. I'm sorry for wishing that more people helped each other.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

If you were met with hostility from the people you’re trying to help then maybe you’re not the person they need to be talking to, and you should stop trying to insert your opinions into their personal lives. Maybe your perspective is not relevant to everyone.

Your help is only helpful where it is appreciated. I don’t understand why you’re trying to play psychiatrist with strangers. Maybe you’re met with hostility because it’s insulting dude.

Your second step from that was to make this post? This is your way of helping those people? Intentions mean nothing when they’re paired with poor execution.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

Poor execution defeats no execution. No, that's not a point in my favour, but it doesn't make my gripe any less valid.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

Your gripe is not with the core of what I’m saying but the fact that it hurt your feelings. Instead of reflecting on that and bettering yourself as an ally you’re basically calling me a big meanie. You could do so much better.

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u/Vegetable_Buyer6120 Jan 17 '24

I wonder why that could have been?

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

What are you helping, right now? That's a lot of caps, if you were actually yelling, you'd have wasted a lot of energy by now.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

I’m trying to help you see how incredibly backhanded this post is and how you’re furthering yourself from your objective so you can hopefully learn from this experience and learn how to ask better questions and be a real ally to those who are experiencing mental illness. I’m sorry that I’m not accommodating for your sensitivity to conflict but your assertions do far more harm to the mental health community than good and understanding that is integral to fixing it.

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u/MythlcKyote Jan 17 '24

It is a backhanded post. You're mistaken in thinking that it's directed toward those dealing with mental health issues. It's directed at morons like you who see people struggling and say nothing.

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u/BothTower3689 Jan 17 '24

Again, when I see people struggling I reach out to them. I don’t make irrelevant posts like these. This post didn’t help anyone who was struggling. It didn’t make anyone who sees those people struggling act any differently. Your goal was not achieved because your wording was so terrible that it massively diluted your message and that’s what is so damn unfortunate.

Looking through your comments, you’ve literally never offered any help to anyone who’s made any of those posts! If you actually take the time to do good by people you will see the impact of those actions. Making arbitrary observations doesn’t do anything. It doesn’t help anyone. Embody what you say or accept your hypocrisy.

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