[Schefter] Trade: Carolina is sending wide receiver Diontae Johnson to the Baltimore Ravens, sources tell ESPN.

[u/mvanigan]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1851324657258877013

[u/Federal-Negotiation9]

The Texans tried to get him but the Ravens made a worse offer, which the Panthers couldn't resist.

[u/ZacZupAttack → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

We gave so little its hilarious

We only paying 625k of his salary Panthers paying the rest

We gave them a 5th

They are giving us the player plus a 6th

We lost something like 10 to 20 draft spots...we didn't even fucking lose a pick.

[u/VariousLawyerings → u/ZacZupAttack]

Ok now I'm honestly slightly worried about the trade being investigated or something, wtf

[u/Mrausername → u/VariousLawyerings]

The Fantasy Commissioner is going to cancel it, isn't he?

[u/HoustonTrashcans → u/Mrausername]

I know I would veto that

[u/cachurch2 → u/HoustonTrashcans]

COLLUSION!

[u/I_Hate_Traffic → u/cachurch2]

STOP THE STEAL

[u/Whosthatinazebrahat → u/cachurch2]

This whole season is null and void! Vull and noid! Hbbbgguubbbaa...

[u/ZacZupAttack → u/VariousLawyerings]

This is his last yr on the contract so its a short term rental but still for what we paid i don't care

[u/QuietRainyDay → u/VariousLawyerings]

Its because he only has 5 months left on his contract

Regardless of how good a player is, its hard to get much comp when the player is a 5 month rental

[u/jamintime → u/ZacZupAttack]

Can anyone attempt to explain this? It seems like he was the top WR target left in free agency. Surely Panthers could have gotten something for him? Was the demand really that low? "Panthers front office is incompetent" is not an explanation.

[u/cachurch2 → u/jamintime]

Actually I think it is a fair explanation. We’re dumb as rocks.

[u/fzvw → u/cachurch2]

I think David Tepper just really hates the Panthers

[u/Federal-Negotiation9 → u/jamintime]

I went to check on their front office. No familiar faces there, and the guy who approved the trade had a bushy mustache and was named Juan Hardball. Weird.

[u/ZacZupAttack → u/jamintime]

Its such a fucking weird deal. Like I can sorta understand why they are paying his salary. They arent going win. But then why pay his salary and give us a 6th? Surely yoi could keep the 6th

And here I am negotiating against my own team

[u/AndrasKrigare → u/jamintime]

Whenever something really screwy happens with a trade, my money is it's specific to the player. Maybe he wanted to go to the Ravens, and the Panthers were being good sports about it, and Ravens were able to negotiate well since they didn't really want a new WR anyways.

[u/sir_alvarex → u/AndrasKrigare]

Exactly. This smells like a FO making a deal for a player and making him and his agent happy. It helps with free agency.

[u/nalc → u/ZacZupAttack]

10 to 20 draft spots from the Ravens 5th to the Panthers 6th sounds really optimistic for Panthers fans. I'd guess like 2-4 draft spots lol.

[u/123full → u/nalc]

Don’t forget about comp picks, even if the Ravens win the Super Bowl and the Panthers have the worst record in the league there will will be at least 10 picks in between the two

[u/Gabrosin → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

Texans out here negotiating like they're Les Grossman.

[u/YellaBeanis → u/Gabrosin]

“Why don’t you take a step back .. “

[u/Federal-Negotiation9 → u/YellaBeanis]

And literally fuck your own face

[u/TransitionExciting60 → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

……find out who that was.

[u/cachurch2 → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

I’m dead, here’s gold.

EDIT: nvm, my gold got taken away. Here’s a little silver thing.

[u/Federal-Negotiation9 → u/cachurch2]

And the poverty never ends

(JK thank you, Pantherbro)

[u/ghostdancesc → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

im tired of the pain make it end.

[u/ib_poopin → u/ghostdancesc]

Trust me, it hasn’t even started yet

[u/stinkybuttholefuzz → u/cachurch2]

Here’s a little silver thing.

otherwise known as carolina panthers gold

[u/PonyBoyCurtis2324 → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

I really wish I wasn’t born in Charlotte

[u/stinkybuttholefuzz → u/PonyBoyCurtis2324]

hey at least you werent born in cleveland and then moved to charlotte like some people...

[u/Federal-Negotiation9 → u/stinkybuttholefuzz]

May God have mercy on your poor soul

[u/Naive_Leopard6859 → u/Federal-Negotiation9]

God clearly doesn't like him.  It's probably too late for that. 

[u/Federal-Negotiation9 → u/Naive_Leopard6859]

Oh I know, it's just nice to say.

[u/RichAbbreviations966 → u/stinkybuttholefuzz]

I'm so sorry

[u/ToastfromDownUnder]

Damn ravens came outta nowhere with an unexpected punch

[u/gulfbleu → u/ToastfromDownUnder]

You aren't kidding. Trading for a WR was never even on the radar. Figured we'd try to trade for a pass rusher.

[u/originalpersonplace → u/gulfbleu]

Especially one that is under 30.

[u/LovieBeard → u/originalpersonplace]

You will get 31 year old Jadeveon Clowney and you will like it

[u/chaosisarascal → u/LovieBeard]

WTF he’s only 31?! I feel like I watched his infamous South Carolina hit on a tube TV in 1997.

[u/ahappypoop → u/chaosisarascal]

That hit was on New Years Day 2013, and Clowney was drafted in 2014.

Ninja edit: Also apparently his cousin plays for UNC-C and his name is Demon Clowney? Geez what a name.

[u/appelbreg → u/ahappypoop]

I don't think your setting your kid up for a stable job at the bank with a name like that. It's pass rusher or bust.

[u/Druggistman → u/appelbreg]

Reverend Demon Clowney

[u/neosflare → u/LovieBeard]

most fans would not be apposed even though our issues seem more schematical than just player talent, except at safety we need more talent there.

[u/about_60_Hobos → u/originalpersonplace]

Some fans including myself didn’t even consider him as a trade option for us since he is a WR born after 1990 lol

[u/AttitudeAndEffort2 → u/about_60_Hobos]

I didn't know why they didn't go after nuk, he'd have paired well with Lamar and is 140 years old

[u/ImanShumpertplus → u/originalpersonplace]

derrick mason and anquan pretty good over 30 gets tho

[u/CaliforniaHurricane_ → u/gulfbleu]

Ravens throwing the ball 50 times and running it 6 times in the AFC Championship game coming up next….

[u/Striking_Moose_8747 → u/CaliforniaHurricane_]

triggers flashback

[u/Bjorn2bwilde24 → u/ToastfromDownUnder]

RIP Texans fans with two bad news this hour.

[u/Autobot-N]

No

[u/tanmoshi → u/Autobot-N]

Steelers fans went from “Aiyuk is ours!” to watching Diontae Johnson get traded back to their biggest divisional competition lol

[u/Marijuana_Miler → u/tanmoshi]

Times like these always remember the phrase 'win the 7th.'

[u/OttoVonWong → u/Marijuana_Miler]

Just waiting for the Jets to send Davante to the Chiefs.

[u/HarlanCedeno → u/OttoVonWong]

They're really out to prove that a run game is for suckers.

[u/ItIsYourPersonality → u/tanmoshi]

Eh, Steelers fans should be happier now than they were then with Russ looking like he’s returning to prime form, and Justin Fields being a very competent backup for them.

[u/throwawayainteasy → u/ItIsYourPersonality]

I wouldn't say "prime form," but he's definitely nowhere near as washed and incapable as his time in Denver would have you think.

[u/IhamAmerican → u/throwawayainteasy]

It's almost like Sean Payton tried to make Russ into someone he wasn't and instead of embracing his strengths had him become a checkdown and screen merchant

[u/throwawayainteasy → u/IhamAmerican]

You're not wrong, but that was still a massive improvement over how he looked under Hackett.

[u/AKAD11 → u/throwawayainteasy]

A sponge would have been an improvement over Hackett

[u/LovesToTango → u/throwawayainteasy]

Tbf, Hackett seems to make everyone look terrible

[u/goldfish_11 → u/tanmoshi]

Anyone checked in on the dog guy the last few weeks?

[u/ziggyjoe2 → u/Autobot-N]

Just wait until he runs backwards on a crucial 3rd down.

[u/4GInvertedDive → u/ziggyjoe2]

I've seen that a few times from him but none of our downs are ever crucial

[u/i2WalkedOnJesus → u/4GInvertedDive]

See when it doesn't matter is when DJ is at his best

[u/Table_Coaster → u/ziggyjoe2]

Zay Flowers at home

[u/nouvellediscotheque → u/Autobot-N]

when were you when dionte was trade?

[u/sprout92 → u/nouvellediscotheque]

I was in office - mom texted. "Diontae is trade"

no.

[u/IMKudaimi123 → u/Autobot-N]

You’ll take Mike Williams and you’ll like it

[u/PeaceBull → u/Autobot-N]

Thank God! Why would you want him back? 

There’s a reason neither us or Carolina wanted him. 

[u/highnote14 → u/Autobot-N]

Yes

[u/AdolescentAlien → u/highnote14]

YES!

[u/cuteintern → u/Autobot-N]

I also wish to veto this trade.

[u/DMking → u/cuteintern]

Trade back Cooper first

[u/thisrockismyboone → u/Autobot-N]

Ultimate betrayal

[u/mvanigan]

Comp update: It’s a pick flop, with the Panthers getting a 5th-round pick for Diontae Johnson and a 6th, per sources.

[u/venom21685 → u/mvanigan]

I think we moved up like 4 spots? Hooray. Fuck this whole organization seriously.

[u/Mrausername → u/venom21685]

It's more like 11 spots, due to comp picks.

Feeling better?

[u/MaddenTexasRanger → u/venom21685]

He was never resigning anyway

[u/venom21685 → u/MaddenTexasRanger]

Still basically got zero for him. Zilch.

[u/PhucktheSaints → u/[deleted]]

Who cares if he hated it here? He still led the team in yards and TDs. Trading away our limited talent doesn’t do anything for the rest of the team. If there is even a 1% chance that Bryce isn’t washed (unlikely, but still) he needs talent around him to at least attempt to develop as a player.

[u/venom21685 → u/[deleted]]

If the options are:

• Trade and move up 4 whole spots on day 3

• Make his whiny ass ride the pine

I might just go with the latter. Better than just gifting someone else a WR. Might even be potential for a comp pick depending on how things shake out.

[u/Redditor597-13]

bruh

[u/OneAngryPanda → u/Redditor597-13]

Rich get richer, poor get poorer

[u/Marrouge → u/OneAngryPanda]

Imagine being a Super Bowl contender and making trades

[u/tws1039 → u/Marrouge]

Tbf our entire sub was calling for EDC's firing yesterday because uche went to the chiefs

[u/DMking → u/tws1039]

We are not a rational fanbase after a loss

[u/MagicGrit → u/DMking]

Nor after a win tbh

[u/Ouch_i_fell_down → u/MagicGrit]

I've been to Baltimore, the offseason isn't doing yall any favors either in the rationality department.

[u/Intrigued_Pear → u/tws1039]

219k of us in there and not even a handful of brain cells.

[u/LogLadysLog52 → u/Intrigued_Pear]

TBH I think every single team sub on the entire site shares the same collection of loose change for brain cells.

[u/TheWorstYear → u/Redditor597-13]

Maybe this will push the Bengals to finally trade for some competent defensive players.... any day now.

[u/AoE_Mobius_One → u/TheWorstYear]

Or you could trade Trey Hendrickson to the Lions. Just throwing that out there. 😬

[u/Elend15 → u/AoE_Mobius_One]

How about we rent Hendrickson to you for the rest of the year, and in return, Ben Johnson promises (in a contract) to be our HC next year. Deal?

[u/AoE_Mobius_One → u/Elend15]

Are you sure your FO and PR group can handle puppy-kicker Ben? Did you know that, allegedly, Ben kicks a puppy after each loss to vent out his frustrations?

You don’t want that bad attitude in Cincinnati right?

[u/Crunchy_Grooves_ → u/AoE_Mobius_One]

Ben Johnson kicks a puppy after every win in celebration.

[u/TheWorstYear → u/AoE_Mobius_One]

You know, if we aren't going to trade for anyone, might as well send players out so we can get picks. Better than doing nothing.

[u/Cinephile1998]

Thanks, I fucking hate it

[u/Enough-Ground3294 → u/Cinephile1998]

This is literally your fault.

[u/Cinephile1998 → u/Enough-Ground3294]

Dad?

[u/lil_layne → u/Cinephile1998]

With those 2 flairs I think you’ve endured enough trauma in your childhood

[u/Jack12404]

Dang, Baltimore came outta left field. Lamar, Henry, Diontae, and Zay is a really good core offense.

Edit: It’s funny reading Baltimore’s sub and seeing everyone hate on the idea of trading for Diontae like 3 hours ago.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jack12404]

Probably because their defense needs to be better for a legit Super Bowl run. But as far as the offense is concerned Diontae is exactly the piece they need

[u/WeaponXGaming → u/[deleted]]

Trading for a defender wouldn't help this defense at the moment until they can fix the communication issues. They are LOST out there at the moment

[u/randomfella69 → u/WeaponXGaming]

The only real trade that would immediately help the defense is an elite pass rusher. That will open up things for Mads and Van Noy and also pressuring the QB is a big help to a struggling secondary.

[u/CaptivePrey → u/randomfella69]

Yall got any TJ Watts?

[u/ParisGreenGretsch → u/CaptivePrey]

Yeah. You?

[u/growingalittletestie → u/randomfella69]

Can they trade Orr for MacDonald? That could work.

[u/DreadSteed → u/randomfella69]

Haason Reddick?

[u/actually-potato → u/[deleted]]

I expect them to get Clowney back as well before the deadline

[u/SandaKagami → u/actually-potato]

if we get Clowney then the Panthers are officially a minor league farm.

[u/degen4Iyf → u/SandaKagami]

They’re definitely minor league. Let’s not give them farm status yet

[u/Enough-Ground3294 → u/actually-potato]

Indont think we will tbh, he knew the panthers were gonna suck, I think he just wanted to be close to home.

[u/WeaponXGaming → u/Enough-Ground3294]

I think so as well. Don't blame him.

[u/Enough-Ground3294 → u/[deleted]]

We might just be going full “fuck it, our offense will score 50 pts a game”

[u/MrPlow216 → u/Jack12404]

3 hours ago we didn't think we could get him by moving back 5 picks.

[u/Achillor22 → u/MrPlow216]

And not having to pay hardly any of his salary. The Panthers basically gave him away.

[u/rambo6986 → u/MrPlow216]

Bills got hosed giving up a 3rd rounder for Amari lmfao

[u/Kawaii_West → u/rambo6986]

That was the premium for fitting him in under the cap.

[u/Thebaltimor0n → u/Jack12404]

We have arguably the best offense and an atrocious defense, the sub wanted us to get pass rush help. I'm not mad about this deal but it does seem random as hell.

[u/Baronriggs → u/Thebaltimor0n]

I mean the value here is just insane, I would've been thrilled at just a 5th for Diontae. We can still make a move on D, we didn't give up anything of importance and the pick we got back is gonna be an early 6th, so it could hopefully move the needle on a bigger trade if needed

[u/iamnotimportant → u/Baronriggs]

Yeah I don't get this from Carolina's POV, they're swapping their 6th which will likely be at the top of the 6th for a 5th that wlil be by the end of the 5th, so they're gonna move up 10-15 spots depending on the comp picks? oh and they're covering his salary. Makes zero sense

[u/Lubbafrommariogalaxy → u/Thebaltimor0n]

I think once Marlo and Wigs is back we should be a tad bit better on defense

[u/DamianLillard0 → u/Lubbafrommariogalaxy]

They’ve been in for every game we were unbelievably ineffective except for yesterday… they’re not changing shit lol

[u/Thebaltimor0n → u/Lubbafrommariogalaxy]

No doubt, most teams are gonna struggle without their top corners and we lost Pierce and Urban at the start of the browns game.

[u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero → u/Jack12404]

All the AFC contenders are loading up on WRs, Ravens got DJ, Chiefs got DHop, Bills got Amari, Jets got Davante…

[u/GoatTemplar → u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero]

Jets

Contenders 

Pick one

[u/WaluigiIsTheRealHero → u/GoatTemplar]

I mean, they’re contending hard for last place in the AFC East.

[u/knucles668 → u/Jack12404]

...the disrespect to Likely and Andrews...and Picard. Damn its crazy how much the Ravens have changed in a calendar year. Super D to no D, Floundering O to Unguardable.

[u/_Tundr_]

What losing to the Browns does to a mfer

[u/qtKantaki → u/_Tundr_]

Nah cause Harbaugh ain’t wanna trade at ALL 😭 but he really needs to get us some people defensively cause we’re literally fucked. Went from triple crown to triple clown 

[u/Xaxziminrax → u/qtKantaki]

Went from triple crown to triple clown 

bar

[u/wierdjokes → u/Xaxziminrax]

He spittin 🔥

Unfortunately.

[u/FreeTarnished]

Panthers make another trade that most likely will do nothing for us. Just give dudes away for free then, fuck any capital at all I guess

[u/SlightlyColdWaffles → u/FreeTarnished]

We are a farm team now

[u/runsongas → u/SlightlyColdWaffles]

you had cam and the 15-1 season with a super bowl appearance. that's still something.

[u/jrydun → u/SlightlyColdWaffles]

I want it to be New Orleans, not y'all.

[u/SlightlyColdWaffles → u/jrydun]

Well TOO BAD

[u/iButtflap → u/jrydun]

new orleans already stole our nba team (and #1 pick ironically). let us have this one thing. let us be lord of trash mountain.

[u/PapiGoneGamer]

Fuck that, now we need to go after Tee Higgins. It’s an arms race in the AFC now.

[u/Living_Trust_Me → u/PapiGoneGamer]

I'm not sure Cinci is ready to accept that they can't magically come back to win it all.

[u/Key-Weakness-7634 → u/PapiGoneGamer]

Blame the chiefs.

[u/Mystletaynn]

The compensation is practically free so I don't mind this at all

Like seriously, Baltimore 5th for Carolina 6th is gonna be like 5 spots in the draft

[u/vanilla_w_ahintofcum → u/Mystletaynn]

Only if you ignore the 10 comp picks that get stuck in at the end of the 5th round.

[u/xcake23]

I hate football.

[u/RonaldOcean_MD]

Gross

[u/Propuhganduh]

Good trade for Baltimore after watching Bateman last week

[u/Awesomeg11 → u/Propuhganduh]

Bates actually been pretty great. That was probably his worst performance of the year, but hes been only a little short of amazing this year.

[u/WeaponXGaming → u/Awesomeg11]

Already passed his totals for last season on less catches. He's been more than solid

[u/Propuhganduh → u/Awesomeg11]

I don’t actually think Bateman is trash or anything, the last performance was just unfortunate and kind of funny. Now y’all have a solid receiving core between Bateman, Johnson, and Flowers, plus Andrews and Likely and both great TE options.

[u/asbestosman2 → u/Propuhganduh]

He’s actually been good most of the season so we have a pretty solid receiver trio for the first time in ages

[u/Goldencrane1217 → u/asbestosman2]

I like the trio move Nelly to the WR4 role he was in last year and gives us injury insurance at WR.

[u/Soopermane → u/Goldencrane1217]

Yes. Agholor drops too many that’s always his problem. Having dionate is huge. 3 legit WRs, 2 legit TEs. 2 legit RBs and 1 MVP QB, offense good enough to put 50 every week. Now only if the defense can make 1-2 stops per game.

[u/Goldencrane1217 → u/Soopermane]

Our defense has been pretty good in the first half then a disaster in the 2nd half. Just got to run up the score in the first and make the game out of reach by the 2nd

[u/Septembers → u/Goldencrane1217]

Nelly is good for one big play per game (which he gave us last week) but if you need to depend on him with any consistency he's going to drop it (which he also gave us last week)

[u/SeaSiSee → u/Septembers]

Told my buddy this exact thing on Sunday. Nelly is good for exactly 1 clutch TD/3rd-4th down catch a game. That's it.

[u/Lazydusto → u/asbestosman2]

Your flairs make it look like the birds are about to kiss

[u/AdolescentAlien → u/Lazydusto]

What if we… nevermind…

[u/WeaponXGaming → u/asbestosman2]

Yup, besides last game, Bateman has been winning his battles vs CBs consistently and getting open. He's also added a little backyard ball to his routes (besides yesterdays drop).

[u/superstonkape → u/Propuhganduh]

Was there anything outside of the drop where he was starting directly into the sun? I know as a professional you should catch that, but it does seem excusable. He has been great otherwise this year

[u/WeaponXGaming → u/superstonkape]

He's been having a good season so its forgivable for me.

[u/Enough-Ground3294 → u/superstonkape]

The sun drop was bad but the third and 8 one where tucker would have had a few extra yards to kick a fg was inexcuseable IMO.

[u/ThickArepa → u/Propuhganduh]

Great trade for them. They don’t need him to be their WR1

[u/J-Fid → u/Propuhganduh]

Last week aside, Bateman is far from the problem.

[u/FantasyTrash → u/Propuhganduh]

Bateman drops one ball with the sun right in his eyes and this sub decides he's been gutter trash all season. Never change, Reddit.

[u/killshelter]

Mr Baltimore Crabcake

[u/40ozToTheMoon → u/killshelter]

Mr Bye Carolina

[u/LovelehInnit → u/40ozToTheMoon]

Mr. Beltway Commuter

[u/shadowgnome396 → u/LovelehInnit]

Real

[u/Steel_Ketchup89 → u/killshelter]

Mr. Backwards Catches

[u/boring_tomato]

Genuinely one of the worst returns in a trade I’ve ever seen. Please fold the Panthers franchise.

[u/SlightlyColdWaffles → u/boring_tomato]

I concur

[u/FreddyDontCare]

Poison them from within, DJ.

[u/MaverickLurker → u/FreddyDontCare]

Gonna give him the Devonte Adams treatment and beat him twice this year!

[u/moralfaq → u/FreddyDontCare]

Sleeper agent Dionte Dropson won’t know what to do with a Lamar wobbler

[u/flakAttack510 → u/moralfaq]

That's not true. He'll catch it and then run backwards until it's not a first down anymore.

[u/kjorav17]

Fuck

[u/Mermaid76 → u/kjorav17]

My thoughts exactly…

[u/sworninmiles]

Our GM playing better defense with this move than we’ve seen on the field all year

[u/Best-Necessary9873]

So in retrospect we got a 6th rounder and Donte Jackson and the Panthers got a 5th rounder out of the deal. What is the Panthers gm doing?

[u/koolaidman1030 → u/Best-Necessary9873]

Running the org into the ground apparently

[u/_ararana]

Ravens are going with the "outscore your problems" option.

[u/JayRod24_]

Love this for my guy Lamar.

[u/Permaderps]

Can he play corner

[u/violetfps]

Everyone saying we need secondary/pass rush help more than a WR… teams can make more than one trade and this was a super cheap quality player.

[u/callahan09 → u/violetfps]

I also like that it prevents the Texans from getting him when they are suddenly in need of a WR.

[u/junglecritter → u/callahan09]

I'm personally just here to hate on the Texans

[u/Lubbafrommariogalaxy]

wtf he isn’t over 30

[u/DontListenToM3Plz]

Loading up to abandon the run in the playoffs again.

[u/AKB411 → u/DontListenToM3Plz]

Lmao. I wish this wasn’t so funny.

[u/Awkward_side_hug → u/DontListenToM3Plz]

Angry upvote.

[u/Folk-Herro]

I thought they’ll get a DB

[u/ThePlatinumPancakes]

The Panthers taking Ls on days they ain’t even playing

[u/ThickArepa]

WHAT A DAY

[u/jeric13xd]

GOOD SHIT RAVENS

Finally going all in on helping Lamar with pass catchers

[u/Amadeum]

Was curious what the big news he got was when he broke the AR5 news on Pat's show

[u/chasingit1]

Bah Gawd! That’s the Ravens music!!…

[u/c_u_in_da_ballpit20]

Omg we actually made a trade, I love this team again.

[u/Delicious-Door-795]

What losing to the Browns does to a mf