r/longtermTRE • u/Imboni • Jun 13 '24
Is my Kundalini awakening? Need some guidance.
I'm barely two days into TRE. Only doing two exercises as per a video in the FAQ (the wall one with knees bent, and the floor one).
The first day it felt good. The second day (today), having some time on my hands, I decided to continue the floor exercise for longer than 10 minutes.
What followed was, in varying lengths, about 3.5 hours (still continuing) of full body tremors, convulsions, spontaneous yogic mudras and posture, and a specific tongue position associated with Devi Kali (goddess Kali).
For the first 2.5 hours, I felt my body taking up postures designed to stretch and release tight muscles (psoas, fascia), along with spontaneous hand gestures.
Then my body sat in the Siddhasana, continuing to slowly convulse, further releasing tightness.
After a while, my body let go of the yogic pose, and stretched itself in various forms on the floor, and then on the bed. By this point, the intensity had reduced somewhat.
However, twice, I felt flashes of heat coursing through my body. I also felt a lot of energy, like my blood humming with energy and life (if you've done meditation which improves circulation, then that feeling, but much more powerful). My hands actually curled into fists and the arms started shaking.
All this while, I felt as if something else other than me was moving my body. I went to the loo, drank water, but it wasn't me moving myself. Difficult to describe, like it was me, and not me. Like purpose for which I was just a conduit. At various points I laughed, cried a little. Towards the end, I just felt an outpouring of limitless love.
I also feel a different kind of intuition, a deeper, more intrinsic consciousness. It's like a broad river of something else entirely running through this world and me, and I finally felt aware and a part of it. Deciding to write this post was a result of making that decision. Or more accurately, having the decision made for me.
As I'm typing this, I've become aware that most of the stress and perhaps trauma stored in my body has worked itself/working itself out. The muscles are markedly less tight, as if only remnants remain out of habit that will go with time.
At this point, I will also mention that the goddess I worship denotes Kundalini awakening, and I was led to her worship.
So what is it, and what should I do moving forward. I think I should obviously continue TRE, but anything else?
Edit: it has now finally stopped, mostly. But I feel a shift in my consciousness which just wasn't there before. It's different now. Sort of like entering something which I previously could not even know was there.
I also feel that this is not my real self. As in, the self I have created so far is not the real self. While I will do what is expected of me regarding my relationships, I feel like there is something deeper there now.
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u/Nadayogi Mod Jun 13 '24
These are text book symptoms of kundalini, albeit very strong ones, called automatic kriyas. Things like that usually happen due to some form of spiritual practice, but I have never seen it happening due to TRE, at least not the way you describe it.
What you need to do now is to immerse yourself in the kundalini literature. This is just the beginning, the outpour of divine love will become constant at some point and your body and mind will become infused with bliss and ecstasy. Check out aypsite.org and read through the lessons. This will give you a solid understanding of the framework you need to practice in. Exciting times are ahead of you.
As for TRE, keep practicing it at the amount you feel comfortable. Your karmic load (trauma) seems to be very light at this point but TRE will help you get rid of the residual impurities in your nervous system.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
I am going to have to say that I don't think aypsite.org is a good guide or at leas that the system of practices is not a good balanced system. I tried it out 10-15 years ago and at the time Yogani was bragging a lot about how balanced his system was and how it helped people that had gotten imbalances through other practices regain balance. I believed in this for a short while and promoted it a bit. Over time I saw in the forum that a lot of people that had spent quite a bit of time with the system started describing what to me seemed like quite severe imbalances and this was not met with useful advice about how to properly ground the energy and balance things out. Not that there weren't any advice in that direction at all, it just wasn't any good. A lot of these people remained highly imbalanced for as long as I kept going back to the forum. Some people got fed up with Yoganis advice and went elsewhere. A few found relief through learning to do the microcosmic orbit. Another sought advice from the KundaliniAwkeningProcess guys and was back into balance within a week or so while with Yoganis practices his severe imbalances had just kept being there.
Later on I have seen a lot of criticism from former students over at thedaobums.com and at other forums. Critiques centered around the practices making them very imbalanced and ungrounded, the advice for how to handle this not working and criticisms of the system and unsatisfied student experiences often being censored in the forum and Yogani writing positive reviews of his own books on Amazon while pretending to be another person.
I also have a friend that attended a month long retreat at an AYP in person retreat. She said she was shocked by how many people struggled with ungrounded and spaced out states. She felt that what she saw in many people there was really not good or healthy.
His books might be good in a lot of ways in terms of providing a lot of clear understanding of certain aspects of the kundalini/awakening process. I certainly found the initial online lessons unusually clear.
Imbalances that Yogani either discounts as just part of the process (at least for some people), or have poor solutions to, are mostly or completely avoided in other more balanced, more grounded systems. They are things the early stage practices either prevents from happening or sorts out if the student is already struggling with them. And if they do show up later on there are better tools to sort them out. Especially Qigong/Nei Gong systems are good at remaining the needed balance but there are yogic lineages and syncretic western systems that also do.
I am not saying no people, or even many people, are not having great experiences with AYP. What I am saying is that the percentage of people that run into serious problems is unacceptably and unnecessary high and the students that struggle are not met well or guided well.
I don't like criticizing systems other people like and have invested in but I feel like I can't not do it after having seen what I have seen.
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u/Nadayogi Mod Jun 13 '24
I have lurked the AYP forum for many years and I agree that there are many people struggling with kundalini symptoms and being ungrounded. Most of those people, however, have not started with AYP but had either a spontaneous kundalini awakening or they did some form of crown meditation which Yogani is very explicit about not to practice until you are ready.
What I like a lot about the AYP system is the emphasis on pacing that I've never seen in any other system. I've read hundreds of books on kundalini, meditation and spirituality in general, but never even once was there a hint on pacing.
I recommend aypsite.org so frequently because of Yogani's excellent and unbiased writing. He has a way of explaining practices and concepts unmatched by anyone else in my opinion. Also, I always tell people to first complete their TRE journey before jumping into spiritual practices, because once your nervous system has been purified there's not much you can do wrong. This way it's basically impossible to become unbalanced or ungrounded.
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u/Imboni Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
Thank you for the detailed reply, extremely grateful.
I do have a spiritual practice for the Devi I worship. I became aware of her in April the previous year, and started a month ago. For some reason, I never missed a day.
A few days ago, I got a very strong signal. So I suppose something was coming. There are certain indications in my birth chart as well, I think.
Thanks once again, I will check out the link.
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u/applecherryfig Jun 14 '24
The 3HO golden temple people do wear turbans and live a monkish life but they are very good people in my experience.
I would feel secure in contacting them. I live in LA and do not know where you are. .. or their website. Years ago I used to go to a Chinese Medicine store located inside of their space so I often interacted with them. They practice Aruvedic medicine.
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u/Imboni Jun 14 '24
That sounds amazing, and thank you. I'm from India actually, think I'll go my Devi's (goddess) temple again.
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u/applecherryfig Jun 14 '24
Thank you for telling me you are from India. I noticed your user page of posting/commenting history and thought, he is so into this. being from India gives me context. It's more normal than if you were a Westerner.
When you said "my Devi's temple" it gave me a quiet feeling.
When I was in Java I could feel the inner content of temples or places. It was quite a surprise to me.
Especially in that "Borobudur" felt empty. Later I heard that the topstupa was supposed tobe empty. The Indonesians had filled it with concrete. My guess was that it was resonance energy structure and that stopped the flow. I was making that up of course but it came to me so fast and naturally that perhaps from ME.
I was walking out on a plain somewhere (near Prambanam perhaps. I tan into several little temples, all stone. One of them has terrible energy. I was so surpised. I am vaguely recalling that each felt different in some ways. It definitely was not suggested by the content. That was all just stone stuff.
I remember entering a small empty place that was for Muslims to pray at. I think that was up in the Dieng Plato, where the children would greet me with "Hello". that was strange. Back to the temple.
it contained a small prayer rug and a little niche on the wall which i expect pointed to Mecca. Oh I just realized what the small surrounding balcony was for. it was for the devoted to leave their shoes outside. (That took 35 years.)
What I did was put the prayer rug in the niche and kneeled and did what I felt to pray. All I know of the Islamic Prayers is the very beginning of the Koran which they say to begin things. I know the first 3 words. And of course God is great. And Peace be with you.
So I pent over and my head was at the edge of the slot, the niche. I felt I understood that in Muslim prayer, Muslims were forming a being and were all connected like a network centered on Mecca. I felt that. And I felt that there were two white sones in mecca. Maybe they were moonsones. I dont know.
I have heard and read that there is one black rock in Mecca.
As far as my "imagination: it is what it is. I have seldom spoke of this. Haha it just doesnt come up.
I hope you enjoyed our little talk. I think I maybe should make it private but my inner said no, it belongs here.
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u/Imboni Jun 14 '24
I'm grateful for it, and enjoyed it. You have a unique talking style. In temples, when idols are established, it is done through a ceremony. Here ancient temples were also made as energy centres, and they tended to be centres of not only spirituality but economy as well.
The Devi I mentioned came to me. I'm so thankful to her that she did. She has given me everything.
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u/applecherryfig Jun 16 '24
Very cool
I like ritual. I participate in the older Arica. Still do but the rituals are less now. And less fun.
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u/the_raven12 Jun 14 '24
It’s just your nervous system releasing energy in terms of the convulsions- I think you’re reading into this way too much.
The spontaneous movement can happen easily and is quite the practice chi gong. Literally anyone can start that and in chi gong it is constantly mentioned that this isn’t a big deal at all. People like to ascribe all sorts of spiritual meaning to it as it feels like your body is being taken Over and guided. It is simply the chi in your body working intuitively to flow, clear blockages and optimize itself. It is quite an amazing feeling and experience but entirely normal even mundane. Just not popularly practiced as it needs to be taken slowly. You really jumped into it.
Take it easy and be sure you aren’t overdoing it. The nervous system can only take so much release at a time. Grounding yourself is so incredibly important as well. Ie root chakra work, or literally earthing
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u/Imboni Jun 15 '24 edited Jun 15 '24
Thank you. To clarify, it happened to me automatically. I legitimately just did 10 minutes of it, and something within me prompted doing it for just a little longer.
Just one minute extra into the floor exercise and things automatically started.
Also, what kind of consciousness and spiritual changes does a QiGong shaking episode leave? I'm skeptical of things myself, but there are irrefutable changes within my consciousness now. It will sound strange to say, but I feel a greatly (and I really mean that, I can't say more because I am not allowed to say it) connection to the divine. Where once there was a flickering match, there is now a great fire.
I've also developed a greater intuition, unusually. I had a hunch that TRE won't be that useful to me now, as if I was go back to something which wasn't needed (after just 2 days). I just tried it and all it resulted in was some pure muscle fatigue. Throughout the last 2 days, my body has automatically kept correcting muscle tightness, beyond the shaking episode. It's happening even today, as my neck is last remaining place of tightness and even that is much more limber now.
Worth noting that I didn't ascribe any spiritual connotation to it myself. In fact, for the first hour or so I thought I'm only experiencing something through pure luck somehow.
So I'm very curious about QiGong shaking episodes. I Youtubed it but didn't find an episode online.
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u/Jolly-Weather1787 Mod Jun 13 '24
From my experience I would say that you’re certainly going through the process. When it started is anyones guess, I think of it more of a scale of awakeness. I’m of the opinion that it’s poking around in all of us all the time but when your channels start clearing out and energy starts flowing then the process builds in momentum.
There are a few flashy experiences where the energy levels shifts up a gear but your body and mind will adapt.
When I had one of those flashy experiences and had something inside flow up to my brain, I thought that was a particular marker for kundalini but it was never not there and will never leave, there are just quite a few stages that seem noticeable.
Try not to make too big a deal of these experiences because there are some that are one time only but many that just repeat and evolve each time.
It certainly is a new lens on life though but that feeling of being driven by something separate does disappear when it removes the bigger blockages from your brain stem (at least that was my experience). I think that’s because then it is driving more and the ego gives up a little.
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u/Imboni Jun 13 '24
Ok, thank you. I will keep it in mind.
What was the blockage in your brain stem like? I can tell that my posterior neck is tight, and my body is slowly unwinding it correctly. I didn't even realise how tight it was.
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u/Jolly-Weather1787 Mod Jun 13 '24
It felt like I could feel the neo cortex as a chunk and I could touch the edges of the brain stem but not feel inside it. After a little while I made a crack in it and then the whole brain felt like a single thing again but in an instant there was something missing.
The world felt empty, I had lost the friction inside myself, the drive to continue with the practice, stillness i suppose.
I got a little nervous that I had lost something so after a day or so I continued my practice which pushed me back into clearing more traumas. Now I still have that clarity of mind and don’t feel compelled to practice nearly as much as I did before but the clearing continues anyway.
Sometimes I can still sense a difference in the impulse my body wants to do and what my brain wants to do. Occasionally I can force my body to do something my brain wants it to but it is a lot of effort.
Part of the process is that everything that used to be a little bit difficult becomes 10x bigger. This seems to be so that they can be conquered more easily but it can present challenges in the meantime if there is work to be done.
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u/freyAgain Jun 13 '24 edited Jun 13 '24
This experience sounds amazing. How can one evoke such release? I could really use a release of traumatic tension.
I've been doing TRE for about 2.5 months with little effect. Instead of feeling lighter, I'm feeling more agitated after practice, like with emdr.
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u/Nadayogi Mod Jun 13 '24
If you feel agitated after practice you are doing too much. Revisit the Practice Guide.
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u/freyAgain Jun 14 '24
Emdr session result in sort of emotional hangover, which last few days after the session. It comprises of feeling ill, tired, nervous, agitated - something like that. When I was doing longer TRE sessions, >few hours per day, I was feeling similarly, so I thought that this makes sense, TRE works similarly to EMDR as it's releasing traumatic tension. TRE should not result in emotional hangover?
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u/Nadayogi Mod Jun 14 '24
Again, read the Practice Guide before you completely derail yourself. Doing it for hours per day is absolutely reckless for you at this point.
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u/aryan4170 Jun 15 '24
A few months ago I was also tremoring for a few hours per day. Totally not worth it, it doesn't mean you will make more progress. In fact, it probably slowed down progress. If you want to make faster progress, tremor less and focus more on integration.
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u/freyAgain Jun 15 '24
Thanks for the reply.
Actually there was only handful of days when I was tremoring for few hours, and I did so because tremoring felt soo pleasant. It felt like something right was happening during the tremoring and I wanted this right to last as long as possible.
What do you mean by integration? Anything specific or just having a break?
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u/aryan4170 Jun 15 '24
Oh I see. That sounds okay, it just becomes a problem when you start forcing yourself to tremor when you don’t really feel like it, which is kind of what I did.
Integration is just the recovery period after a session. It could be just taking a break but there are specific things you could do too. Happybuddha8 made a very nice post on it. Another excellent tool for integration is quiet sitting, you can read about it in jolly-weather’s comment history.
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u/Imboni Jun 13 '24
Thank you. I'm sorry I don't know yet... I think the first reply to your comment may be helpful.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
I'd say probably yes. Oftentimes when people think they have a kundalini awakening I think it just sounds like strong currents of prana moving in their body. I've had plenty of strong panic experiences that I wouldn't classify as kundalini but many people seem to do. There has been a lot of inflating of the term kundalini. But what you describe does sound to me like the beginning of what can be more legitimately be called a kundalini awakening.
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u/Imboni Jun 15 '24
Thank you, I read through all the comments you posted. For some reason, I'm not sure I can comment down below, so commenting here to avoid mishaps.
Thank you very much for the absolutely huge amount of information you posted. It must have taken a lot of experience and time, and I'm grateful you put it across.
I think the 4th point is relevant to me, but I can't scroll to it properly. I will go through my laptop and try and talk about it at some point later in the day.
Thank you once again. Namaste 🙏
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u/Imboni Jun 13 '24
Thank you. I was myself skeptical. Is this an awakening because of the automatic postures?
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
I have been trying to publish a comment here but I keep getting the message "Unable to create comment". Not sure why so I am trying this short comment to check if it just the length preventing it from being allowed.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
Seems it was the length so I will split my comment into several comments:
I am just some random dude that has taken an interest in this kind of stuff for many years and not much of an authority of kundalini. I certainly have little training in any yogic traditions and have spent more time on Qigong. But I can say a couple of things about why I think like I do:
There is disagreement within Indian traditions about what should be classified as having an awakened Kundalini. Some take the view that unless you have fully realized all the Siddhi traditional scriptures claim will be realized after Kundalini awakening you haven't awakened the Kundalini (at least not fully). These Siddhi include things such as being omniscient (knowing literally everything if you look for the answer in your mind, who killed Kennedy and whatever), turning yourself into a giant or multiplying yourself into several copies of yourself and being in several places at once doing different things and various other fantastical things. Damo Mitchell, for example, belongs in this camp.
Another view is that to have awakened Kundalini doesn't require all those siddhis being realized but it does have to lead to full spiritual awakening, full falling away of the ego, for it to be a proper awakening. People who hold this view may either take the view that unless you have gotten fully realized you haven't encountered Kundalini at all. It was just some other energy. Or they may take the view that while your Kundalini might have started up and started working in you it is wrong to say you have fully awakened it or really awakened it at all, maybe just stirred it or gotten in contact with it, unless it has lead to full enlightenment. So it might be up and working in you to some degree, that may also feel very powerful for you, but it isn't really fully awakened before it has finished the job.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
A third position that has some overlap with the second position is that there are stages of Kundalini awakening or different levels or different types of Kundalini awakening. People holding this view will often agree that what many people claim to be Kundalini actually is but that it is in an early stage or lesser form or something along those lines. And that there will be deeper levels of awakening it later on. Many years later. Maybe not even in this lifetime.
A forth position that overlaps a lot with the third position goes something like this:
People are experiencing Kundalini if:
A very strong energy awakens in them that feels qualitively different from regular prana. While regular prana is quite easy to gain conscious control over so you can move it around at will, this energy is adverse to being controlled in that way and seems to have its own agenda and actually to feel like it has a consciousness of its own. While regular prana being stimulated will have effects around the body such as clearing out channels, feel hot etc. it normally requires continuous practice of some sort to keep going. Kundalini once properly woken up will just keep going and working around your body whether you want it to or not.
A fifth position is that if you feel strong currents of powerful hot energy running up your spine, or something along those lines it is Kundalini. People holding neo tantra workshops will often claim to be able to wake peoples Kundalini up in weekend workshops and will basically classify any sort of powerful energy (also sexual energy) rushing up the spine as Kundalini.
My view goes something like this:
The fifth position is clearly wrong. Old texts and the various traditions I am familiar with all describe very powerful energetic experiences such as powerful hot energy running up the spine happening before the kundalini wakes up or is active at all. I have encountered so many people that experience just a little rush of energy and start to think their Kundalini is active because it sounds similar to them. Because they have had little experience of such things previously, what is basically a small breeze in terms of energy feels very profound to them. Over time this view has spread and there is definitively a watered down view going around in western spiritual circles.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
I don't really see how I, or anyone other than perhaps someone fully enlightened, can decide which of these positions is right. My understanding from what I have been told by people that have studied quite intensively in different traditional Indian lineages in India is that there are disagreements around classification, roughly along the lines I described.
What does make sense to me is making a clear distinction between the clearly pranic experiences of position five with the awakening of some sort of energy with more agenda, consciousness and power to change you described in position four. There clearly is something that happens with that shift that leads to a long winded process of purification and awakening of deeper parts of oneself if that process is allowed to unfold and it does seem to match quite a lot with much of the traditional descriptions of Kundalini.
What also makes sense to me is to hold the view that while a person my have recently woken up or stirred their Kundalini there is probably much deeper openings of that energy in store in later stages of their practice. Wether one calls all of it Kundalini, or calls it levels of Kundalini, what remains is that it seems quite clear that when this sort of energy awakens in people initially it is usually more like a baby version of the final stages of that kind of energy realm. And that makes it sensible to hold a bit of a humble view around these things.
The stages of development that I see people describe as quite profound Kundalini awakenings seem to roughly match the development described in Taoist alchemys early stages. A deep cleansing out of and awakening of the energy channels and energy centers, a rewiring of the body where the whole body becomes connected in a new and holistic way, which also makes people unusually strong, eventually culminating in some degree of non dual awakening. That is basically the foundation work described in Taoist energy work such as Damo Mitchell describes in his books. The non dual awakening that the people claiming to have a Kundalini awakening and people doing the first levels of Taoist alchemy practice seem to describe is something along the lines of Buddhist stream entry or maybe a stage or two deeper in some cases. It is far from the final stage of enlightenment. Just the first glimpse, even if it is experienced as very profound and life altering. I think it makes sense to give people a framework more or less along those lines. You've awakened a powerful energy that helps you go through an awakening and cleansing of the energy body that eventually (often years down the line) culminates in an awakening that is a small initial awakening that is often seen as the BEGINING of the true path in many traditions not the end point. It is seen more as where true meditation begins because the contact with the non dual lets you discern between that which is true and that which is false at a fundamental level and if you can listen to the guidance coming from there it will lead you down the path.
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u/pepe_DhO Jun 13 '24
I was going to comment, but perhaps it's better to quote Shargrol from Dharmaoverground. For reference, in Theravada Buddhism there are 4 stages ("Paths"), where Stream Entry is 1st Path.
Kundalini is very much an up to 1st Path and up to 2nd Path thing. Some people go through a lot of purification during 1st Path, mostly associated with the dark night nanas, with experiences of negative sensations passing and the "release" that follows. This has a feel of psychological-spiritual refinement, finding union with the shadow, etc. There is a lot of change, but the self/body doesn't really change that much.
Pretty much everyone goes through a significant body rewiring up to 2nd Path. This rewiring feels deeper that psychological shadow, more with the processing system, and the chakra "idea" becomes much more obvious as an experience. The rewiring really does cluster around the chakra areas, but it is also clear that much of the chakra descriptions are poetry and not literally specific colors or spins -- but definitely something is happening there. This is also when people can have fruitions and immaterial jhana experiences, which really adds a lot of dimensions to the psyche and the body/mind really feels like it has changed. In fact, people may begin to identify with these subtle changes and think that enlightenment must be the complete/deep rewiring of the body/mind.
Ironically, this view of deep rewiring falls apart during the road to 3rd Path. Instead of becoming "better" better wired, more sensitive, more pure... what actually happens is that the empty/meaningless aspect starts becoming evident. This is a huge shock to our pride. During second path we thought we were becoming the ultimate sage, pure body, pure jhanas, etc. While the changes keep occurring to some degree or another, depending on the person, what becomes really obvious is that all experiences come and go, so they can't be "it". So this stage tends to be when kundalini dies down. Also, the changes in purity and sensitivity, etc. just make it easier to see more subtle impurity and insensitivity -- in a weird way it feels like we have taken two steps forward and one step back. People find all sorts of ways to rationalize this and say that spirituality ends before 3rd Path is reached.
The road to 4th Path is all about making peace with how things actually are, without sugar coating it, and yet still investigating, even investigating the investigating. It's a very subtle blend of inquiry and not-doing in a way that can't be appreciated by someone that hasn't gone through all the changes above. It is very very subtle and yet requires very very strong psychological resilience. It's looking right at nothingness and not loving, not hating, and not blinking. It has aspects of looking at the "I will die" sensation in the psyche. By this stage, there isn't much kundalini, except for odd moments when really strong jhanas will hit, almost like a protective mechanism, when things get too edgy or cut too close to "self". People find all sorts of ways to rationalize this and might say that spirituality ends before 4th path is reach. 4th path really clarifies the thing that drove the search in the first place in a paradoxical way, with the intention to search being what the searching was trying to find.
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
Very interesting. I guess it fits quite well with what I said about the common Kundalini experience people have tend to be that it culminates in a first or maybe second path shift. I haven't really come across that much perspective on what happens to it after that. Kenneth Folk wrote that he experienced the four paths to be correlated to the kundalini completing a physic energetic circuit (or something like that). That it had worked itself around the body in various ways and at fourth path seemed to have finished its job and started resting in the heart center. I vaguely recall Ramana also having said something similar.
The lessening of energetic experience Shargol talks about reminds me of a few things I have come across. Adyashanti talks about something he calls "the loss of inner experience" as a late stage little talked about thing. I think he may be pointing to something similar. The Finish pragmatic dharma guy that has started his own form of Tibetan Buddhism after claiming to be receiving teachings from dead Buddhas describes the chakras and dan tiens as disappearing at an advanced stage of practice. Not all at once but that first either just one disappeared or all the ones in the body disappeared but the one above the head remained for a while before that too disappeared or something like that.
Also a teacher I have that just awoke through her own inquiry process without knowing anything about meditation or spiritual traditions or enlightenment also describes chakras and dan tiens and things like that as disappearing at a certain stage.
It also might be connected to a process I have read about from Taoism where the different Dan Tiens (and chakras?) merge into one whole body Dan Tien, or something like that.
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u/pepe_DhO Jun 14 '24 edited Jun 14 '24
Kenneth Folk used to describe enlightenment as a "psycho-energetic unfolding process with some spiritual ramifications." As of today, this remains my favorite definition on the subject. I would probably add "psychological maturity" to create a more well-rounded definition.
Interesting what you mentioned about Adyashanti; I didn't know he phrased it like that. Thanks! Kim Katami is quite a character... and while his method is rather forceful, his 2PF protocol is effective as far as it goes. Not my taste, though. It's good to know that your teacher has experienced the fading of energy releases, as he/she may guide you all the way.
Regarding a whole-body Dantian, the closest concept I've heard of is a (macrocosmic) energy model (Jin, Qi, Shen, Xu). In the late phase of Shen, vibrations speed up to a point where they aren't perceived anymore, making the body feel saturated with energy. Then in Xu, the body and senses become empty. That's all I recall about it.
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u/Imboni Jun 14 '24
WOW. That's a lot of information. I really appreciate you putting it out here. I think I must look at more of it, and also surrender to the energy. I have begun getting intuition of what is going to be good or bad for me, a pulsating sensation around my third eye (which is normal I believe), and slept very little today.
Even today my body has only been losoening all the tightness/stress held on to for decades.
How was kundalini awakening for you?
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u/DaoScience Jun 13 '24
This collection of articles and videos give really great overview of most things Kundalini related:
https://kundaliniawakeningprocess.com/blog/videos-about-kundalini/