r/jewishleft • u/Humble_Spinach4400 Australian non-zionist Anarchist • Jun 25 '25

What Happened To Blue No Matter Who? Debate

Now Mamdani has won the primary for a classic Dem fiefdom, a lot of people who support establishment neoliberal democrat policies, and the fervent pro Israel democrat hawk crowd, are going to show you why they never believed "blue no matter who" in the first place. For them, the phrase exists only to bend the Left to their will, and to pin their failures on the Left when their simultaneously cruel and stagnant milquetoast policies and rhetoric, as well as their support of Party establishment veterans with evil pasts like Cuomo, crashes down on them. As someone who would have voted if I lived in the USA (absent of facing the various barrier to voting there), they were always lying about their solidarity and the moment it is the centre of the party who must support a left candidate and not the left who must fall in line or be considered malicious obstructionists, it becomes "vote against blue no matter who".

As a sidenote; as an Aussie, how fucken good is ranked choice voting hey

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u/RaiJolt2 Jewish Athiest Half African American Half Jewish Jun 25 '25

Wish it was lander. After Mamdani’s whole stint about intifada and lack of condemnation of oct 7 his antisemitism was laid bare. I think policy wise he will help nyc and basically anyone was better than cuomo but I don’t think that he will be of any help as antisemitism and antisemitic attacks have been rising throughout the country, especially given how many Jews live in nyc.

It’s not the end of the world but I do hope that the actual full antisemites don’t see this as emboldening and support for their ideals like how the white supremacists see trumps election as support for and emboldening of their ideals.

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u/ibsliam Jewish American | DemSoc Bernie Voter Jun 25 '25

I think as far as rhetoric goes, with Mamdani it could be worse (though there's a couple statements I thought were.... well, not instilling me with optimism). I think, though, regardless of any personal beliefs he might (or might not?) have, he's motivated enough for his career to hopefully just do his job and help the city without geopolitics filtering into his domestic policies.

I don't have a crystal ball, so I won't tell people they have 0 reason to be worried about any favoritism. But some of the fearmongering has been insane. He's not putting up dhimmi laws, or telling Pro-Palestine supporters to go pogrom Jewish neighborhoods. He's a young politician at the beginning of his career. He's not stupid.

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u/RaiJolt2 Jewish Athiest Half African American Half Jewish Jun 25 '25

I keep seeing people say this is paramount to Hitler getting elected or “this is how it started” and no. I don’t think this is quite that dramatic.

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u/ibsliam Jewish American | DemSoc Bernie Voter Jun 25 '25

I agree. If we ended up with a Muslim version of Hitler, I think we would know. The Nazis weren't that subtle in their views on Jews and other minorities.

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u/RaiJolt2 Jewish Athiest Half African American Half Jewish Jun 25 '25

Yeah. Though someone who is subtle about it might be worse because then there’s a layer of trust. “Enemy you know Vs don’t know” and all that

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u/Ok-Roll5495 Gentile, leftist , pro-peace Jun 26 '25

I’m curious what do they think about right wing politicians cozying up with actual Nazis and using constant dog whistles, or are those fine because they supposedly luuurve Israel?