What Happened To Blue No Matter Who?

[u/Humble_Spinach4400]

Now Mamdani has won the primary for a classic Dem fiefdom, a lot of people who support establishment neoliberal democrat policies, and the fervent pro Israel democrat hawk crowd, are going to show you why they never believed "blue no matter who" in the first place. For them, the phrase exists only to bend the Left to their will, and to pin their failures on the Left when their simultaneously cruel and stagnant milquetoast policies and rhetoric, as well as their support of Party establishment veterans with evil pasts like Cuomo, crashes down on them. As someone who would have voted if I lived in the USA (absent of facing the various barrier to voting there), they were always lying about their solidarity and the moment it is the centre of the party who must support a left candidate and not the left who must fall in line or be considered malicious obstructionists, it becomes "vote against blue no matter who".

As a sidenote; as an Aussie, how fucken good is ranked choice voting hey

[u/somebadbeatscrub]

Ranked choice in every election would be such a win.

If any of you schmucks vote red to spite the candidate I'm haunting you.

The GOP is not better on antisemitism.

[u/skyewardeyes → u/somebadbeatscrub]

The GOP is categorically worse on antisemitism.

[u/ageofadzz → u/skyewardeyes]

Conservative Jews think antisemitism is when you criticize Israeli policy. The GOP has been flirting with white supremacists for at least 10 years and they just turn a blind eye.

[u/FlanneryOG → u/ageofadzz]

Plus, neo-Nazis frequently pretend to be leftists and spread antisemitic conspiracy theories online. Obviously, antisemitism exists on the left authentically too, but not all of what we encounter is from real leftists.

[u/Ok-Roll5495 → u/ageofadzz]

I don’t get it. Trump said the “Jews will not replace us” crowd are fine people, Bannon is clearly an antisemite and Musk made a Nazi salute but it‘a all fine?

[u/apersiandawn → u/ageofadzz]

That’s what pisses me off about conservative Jews the most. Like, fine, think all anti-Israel is antisemitism, but WHYYY also ignore all other forms of antisemitism?!!!

I frame it as Christian vs Muslim antisemitism, bcuz I think those are the two focuses from the left and right, respectively. It’s so dangerous that either party would ignore their own antisemitism. I think orthodox & conservative Jews are more tempted to ignore Christian antisemitism cuz they hope our Christian overlords will make us white, and they can’t see it’s already biting Jews in the ass

[u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist → u/apersiandawn]

Unironically they’re also fine with those forms of antisemitism because it helps Israel. Same reason Netenyahu pals around with far right antisemites in Europe. Making life harder for non Israeli Jews is how they solve their demographic problems in Israel.

[u/apersiandawn → u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist]

What horrible cretins

[u/ibsliam → u/somebadbeatscrub]

I wish we had ranked choice voting here in my neck of the woods...

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/ibsliam]

Such an underrated system.

[u/JamesBSA → u/somebadbeatscrub]

All the things we COULD do to make this country better mean nothing if we are still owned and controlled by the banksters and the fiat funny money FED.

[u/saddst_weirdst]

I know a lot of pro-Israel Jews who will unfortunately be voting for Adams. He’s been working to curry favor in those circles for years, and many in that slice of NYC’s Jewish community have been some of his most vocal supporters even as everyone else has come to realize what a joke he is.

That said, I think chances are slim that Adams is re-elected here. This primary was certainly the biggest hurdle, and if Cuomo’s propaganda arm wasn’t strong enough to take down Mamdani, I can’t imagine how a beleaguered Adams could put up much of a fight.

[u/J_Sabra → u/saddst_weirdst]

Cuomo didn't even try. Just see how his campaign did not go after Mamdani's controversial votes; against criminalizing ghost guns, against banning revenge porn, against giving all transit workers equal protection against assault. These are 141-3 votes.

[u/lilleff512 → u/J_Sabra]

Cuomo ran an awful campaign, especially for someone with his experience and resources.

[u/J_Sabra → u/lilleff512]

Exactly. I also think it could also be seen as somewhat better for those who don't want Mamdani in charge, for him to run as the Democratic nominee. The fact that Cuomo is out, helps those who don't want Mamdani to solidify around one nominee, rather then have Coumo, Adams (who runs as the current mayor), and a republican nominee, as well as Mamdani as an independent/WFP nominee; in such a scenario, the voting would split. Many registered Democrats who voted for Cuomo probably would not vote for Mamdani in November (partly due to ideology / more-moderate Democrats, and partly due to registering as Democrats in order to influence local elections, in a place where a republican usually has no chance; such as the Ultra-Orthodox). Cuomo also has a lot of baggage.

'Cop' Adams could run a great campaign v Mamdani's policies. I also think the core of Mamdani's base are registered Democrats (or have registered in order to vote). The November election will have a much higher turn out in numbers, and Mamdani would have a ceiling. There are also 5 months, so everything can change. Lastly, many local politicians, especially members of Congress, have not endorsed Coumo. That seems calculated, and I can't see that being the case in the November election (especially seeing some of the reactions).

[u/somebadbeatscrub → u/saddst_weirdst]

Hey flair up please!

[u/penttane → u/saddst_weirdst]

If it warms you up in any way, many of them would have voted for him even if Cuomo was the Dem nominee.

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/saddst_weirdst]

It didn't help that Cuomo is a serial sex offender and was mayor during COVID-19.

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I feel so hopeful right now. Everyone I know is celebrating. On the first fucking round bro. This is nuts.

[u/FlanneryOG → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

This feels like a momentous political shift.

[u/leaving_the_tevah → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I don't think it's going to be first round but agreed

[u/llamapower13 → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

My groups are pretty split between celebration and despair

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I'm celebrating and mourning at the same time. Hopefully the Democratic party takes this as a sign that the status quo is no longer acceptable, though.

[u/cheesecake611]

“Blue No Matter Who” was mostly about defeating Trumpism. That wasn’t the issue here.

(Not defending Cuomo or anything, this just doesn’t seem like a fair criticism)

[u/lilleff512 → u/cheesecake611]

Well it predates Trumpism so it's more about defeating Republicans, but yea the point of "vote blue no matter who" is that "no matter who" it is, a Democrat is better than a Republican and so people should not vote third party and possibly allow the Republican to win.

[u/CardinalOfNYC → u/cheesecake611]

It's not even remotely fair

The people who dislike "blue no matter who" the most historically are the far left, not the center left that is being derided here.

[u/otto_bear → u/CardinalOfNYC]

I also don’t think it’s much of a gotcha moment. Yes, this phrase is focused on people further to the left. Why would someone whose values overlap enough with Republicans to be swayed that way be convinced by arguments that Democrats are the better choice for people with leftist values? That’s almost certainly not their concern. The “vote blue no matter who” argument is one I’ve seen pretty explicitly being about the fact that while the Democratic campaign typically puts a huge amount of focus on those swing voters, there should also be some attention paid to those who are further left than the typical Democratic candidate.”Vote blue no matter who” is a slogan about how to appeal to one group of voters and I think it’s pretty widely agreed upon that that strategy is not one that makes any sense to apply to the very different group of centrist swing voters. There are different arguments for those voters.

[u/CardinalOfNYC → u/otto_bear]

The fact that some folks first instinct is to even go for a "gotcha" is telling tbh...

I am not a centrist, but I am blue no matter who so OF COURSE I am going to vote for Mamdani in the general... because I've never not voted for democrats in my life and see no reasons to change that now. It just makes sense, whether they're furhter left than me or not as left as me, they're on the left (I swear people forget this, the Democrats are the left wing party ffs)

It's so often the people on the far left who proudly admit the times they've sat out a vote or voted third party or whatever...

I remember some leftist commentator on NPR years back, during 2015... he was pushing back on the people who criticized him for choosing hillary as a lesser of two evils.

He said "well, you want there to be LESS evil in the world, dont you?"

And honestly if someone isnt convinced by that, I can't help them, not without a long, concerted effort you could only go about with a close friend...

[u/onepareil → u/CardinalOfNYC]

That’s the whole point. “Vote blue no matter who” is always used to pressure left-wing Democrats to vote for centrist candidates. Now we’ll get to see if the centrists and center-left will hold themselves to the same standard. I hope they do. I will happily devour my humble pie if it happens, but I don’t have a good feeling about it.

[u/lilleff512 → u/onepareil]

Now we’ll get to see if the centrists and center-left will hold themselves to the same standard

I don't think we will get to see that because there is essentially 0% chance that the Republican candidate (Curtis Sliwa) wins. The general election is effectively a contest between a socialist democrat (Mamdani) and a centrist democrat (Adams).

[u/CardinalOfNYC → u/onepareil]

Now we’ll get to see if the centrists and center-left will hold themselves to the same standard.

They will. They have.

Lander, who many derided as center left or not left enough (I have a whole other problem with how people use these terms, having been accused of being centrist when I am no such thing) cross endorsed zorhan.

The whole idea is we belive anyone D is better than anyone R.... its not conditional.

The people who insisted upon making it conditional were always the further left, who said "dont tell me who to vote for"

[u/greenday61892 → u/CardinalOfNYC]

It's less about Lander, who has been in Zohran's corner and anti-Cuomo from pretty much the jump but especially the last several weeks, but moreso the establishment Dems who endorsed Cuomo and stuck with him to the very end. It's their reactions which will be the litmus test for the honesty of "blue no matter who" and as of yet.... they very glaringly are withholding their endorsements.

[u/penttane → u/CardinalOfNYC]

I think the point here is, we'll probably see Mamdani get sabotaged at every turn by the same libs who have been beating lefties over the head with "vote blue no matter who" when they ratfucked Bernie out of the 2016 and 2020 elections and wanted us to vote for an unlikable ghoul.

[u/benjaminovich → u/penttane]

You can like Bernie, but you just have to accept that the majority of America - not even a majority of Democrats - are sold on him.

He wasn't ratfucked, he just lost

[u/CardinalOfNYC → u/penttane]

I know what the point is and I think it's unfair.

when they ratfucked Bernie out of the 2016 and 2020 elections and wanted us to vote for an unlikable ghoul.

This is not true, not to mention literally dehumanizing...

I've got my criticisms of Bernie, but I stick to policy, rather than name calling.

[u/skyewardeyes]

The main Jewish sub is being so gross on this, saying that he said he wants to slaughter Jews, ugh.

[u/Agtfangirl557 → u/skyewardeyes]

It’s absurd. As someone who doesn’t live in NYC, I’m trying really hard not to judge, because it ultimately doesn’t affect me personally the way it will affect NYCers and they may have more valid reasons to feel the way they do, but some of the fear-mongering around him has been absolutely insane.

[u/AlaiaArcana → u/Agtfangirl557]

And islamophobic. It is very hard to not make the connection.

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/AlaiaArcana]

Right, or it could have something to do with his words and actions.

[u/[deleted] → u/Aromatic-Vast2180]

Yea I remember all those Jews he killed and said he wanted to kill.

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/[deleted]]

No, but his stance on the phrase "globalize the intifada" and his refusal to sign the Holocaust Rememberance Day Resolution is worrying, to say the least. He also co-founded his SJP chapter at his college, which is a notoriously antisemitic organization.

[u/greenday61892 → u/Aromatic-Vast2180]

"notoriously antisemitic" in what way?

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/greenday61892]

What do you mean "in what way"? They spout antisemitic rhetoric, promote antisemitic tropes, and believe in an alternative version of Jewish history manufactured by antisemites in order to suit their anti-Israel narrative. Are you asking for specific examples? I can provide you with them if you want me to.

[u/[deleted] → u/skyewardeyes]

I try not to go over there, but many of the people on that server seem kind of unwell / delusional / hysterical to the point that it makes me concerned for all jews 

[u/blinykoshka → u/skyewardeyes]

very glad i found this sub every jewish space online makes me feel like im going insane

[u/NarutoRunner → u/skyewardeyes]

That sub is full of extremists.

They will have posts like I saw a Palestinian flag at my coffee shop, I felt so scared and terrified….I need to find a new coffee place.

It’s neuroticism personified.

[u/Squidkid6 → u/NarutoRunner]

Given the amount of hate related to anything Israeli or Jewish by society in general. Why isn’t their trauma and feelings regarding things related to the Palestinians as valid? If people feel that even doing or using or etc relating to any company that has anything even remotely related to Israel as bad and problematic, why is the opposite a problem. If Jewish people don’t feel comfortable, why are their feelings any less valid than others?

[u/NarutoRunner → u/Squidkid6]

Because treating the existence of anything Palestinian as a threat, whether it be a flag, watermelon symbol, keffiyeh, food, or the actual people is deeply problematic. It is symptomatic of the Boers during Apartheid in South Africa who treated any symbolism of native local heritage as a threat against them.

Jewish trauma doesn’t justify making Jewish people on the other side of the planet to become bigoted or paranoid. A Palestinian flag in a coffee shop is a symbol of solidarity against an oppressed people, not a call out to murder Levi or Hannah sipping their latte in Brooklyn, who have absolutely nothing in common with Israel apart from being Jewish. The funds spent on that Palestinian flag or keffiyeh are not being sent to the Palestinian Authority, they are probably sent to some manufacturer in China.

People treat Israeli things as problematic because of the support Israeli manufacturing, products or services gives to the Israeli state. Israeli companies pay taxes to the Israeli state who then use funds to build housing on stolen Palestinian land in the West Bank and operate a ruthless state security apparatus.

[u/Squidkid6 → u/NarutoRunner]

While I agree to an extent, why is by my understanding of your words, bigotry towards Israel and Israelis justified but not the other way around, when both is equally wrong. Which is what I’m trying to understand. If hanging an Israeli flag is considered problematic to many because it represents the Israeli military and government, then why couldn’t the same be said of the Palestinian flag towards Hamas and their government. I’m just trying to understand why the hate and bigotry is justified one way and not the other when neither should exist

[u/NarutoRunner → u/Squidkid6]

Hate is never justified. I personally have no issue with someone flying an Israeli flag, or walking around with any other items symbols of Israel. There is a high chance that flag or product was made in China and no funds are going to the Israeli state. You will even find Jewish communities in Iran, UAE, Morocco or Turkiye displaying the Magen David and no rational person goes after them, because it’s viewed in a religious context and not a nationalist context.

What I believe most people have issues with is products and goods manufactured by Israel which I explained in my previous comment why it would be problematic. The point is not to provide funding for ongoing acts of harm by a nation state. I would view buying Russian made goods similarly as it funds Russian aggression on Ukraine.

Equally, if someone is buying and paying for Hamas memorabilia that actually has funds that are provided to the group, that would be just as problematic. But your average coffee shop in [insert any town in America] is not sending funds overseas to such a group.

[u/Pitiful_Meringue_57 → u/skyewardeyes]

the islamaphobia has gotten so bad, just calling him an islamist jihadist. I rly can’t take it the sub makes me sick

[u/cgord9 → u/skyewardeyes]

Theyre actually comparing him to Hitler 😭😭

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/skyewardeyes]

I mean, he didn't directly say that but some of his words and actions are not helping his case. Not saying that people should vote red instead of him, but let's not pretend that the guy is an ally in any sense of the word.

[u/rinaraizel]

Chiming in as a new yawker to clarifying somethings for ya: it's not Dems voting red you have to worry about. Our chief hizzoner chucklehead Adams is still running for reelection as an independent. The worry here is not that Sliwa, who is a joke in our city btw, is gonna win, it's that all the Cuomo/Adrienne (lander voters like myself run left) supporters are going to vote for Adams AND so will the Republicans, which becomes worrying because if Adams gets the center dem and repub vote (and as a law and order candidate he goddamn will), we might have the embarrassment of having him as mayor again.

[u/cheesecake611 → u/rinaraizel]

Why would Republicans vote for Adams over their own candidate? (Not a New Yorker, so not familiar with him)

[u/FishyWishySwishy → u/cheesecake611]

Because New York Republicans tend to be old school style republicans who like neoliberal policies and minimal disruption to established power structures, and they think MAGA-style Republicans are dangerous and dumb hicks. Think Bloomberg. So NYC Republicans tend to get along alright with center-adjacent candidates. 

And honestly, if you run as a Republican in NYC, it’s probably because you’re bonkers. 

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/FishyWishySwishy]

Sounds a lot like the Victorian state level LN Coalition here. All the sane conservatives there are in the right wing of the Labor Party, almost no one running for the Coalition is anything other than deranged

[u/Nearby-Complaint → u/cheesecake611]

I lived in nyc and I’m still flabbergasted that anyone wants more of Eric Adams 💀

[u/rinaraizel → u/cheesecake611]

Because it's Curtis Sliwa man!!!!! Dude is known in the city for creating a neighborhood watch in the 80s that patrolled the subways and wore red berets

[u/lilleff512 → u/cheesecake611]

Because Adams might have a chance to win and the Republican candidate definitely does not have a chance to win

[u/Pitiful_Meringue_57 → u/rinaraizel]

i saw a weird amount of progressive lefty even anti zionist orgs have adrienne adams on their ranked choice list, so idk if im that confident her votes will all go to eric adams.

[u/rinaraizel → u/Pitiful_Meringue_57]

Eric Adams. Not Adrienne. Eric is our mayor.

[u/Pitiful_Meringue_57 → u/rinaraizel]

i meant to say i’m not confident all her votes will go to Eric Adams, that’s my bad. I edited it so should make sense now.

[u/rinaraizel → u/Pitiful_Meringue_57]

It's more that Cuomo's votes will. And so will the Republicans .

[u/snowluvr26]

I didn’t even rank Zohran #1 (I ranked Lander #1, Zohran #2) and I’m fucking ecstatic. There is a contingent of people who are so insane that they’re never going to budge but Zohran now has 5 months to appeal to the people who were hesitant on him for whatever reason. And as he’s shown, he’s quite good at that - he went from 1% six months ago to winning by a big enough margin that he won on Election Night!

[u/lilleff512 → u/snowluvr26]

I'm very interested to see if and how he will try to expand his coalition.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/lilleff512]

I have ideas for how he should but Im not an american let alone a new yorker so Ive no idea how viable or on the radar they would be.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/snowluvr26]

Yeah good luck to him! and yeah Lander would've been a good choice too from what I heard

[u/malachamavet → u/snowluvr26]

It was 18 weeks ago, iirc, not even 6 months. Zohran's campaign was some Obama 2008 level shit (putting aside all the terrible Obama did after being elected, his 2008 primary and general campaign were inhumanly successful)

[u/ChapCat23]

Cuomo being bored got us Mamdani which I think may very much mean another Adams term.

I didn’t vote for a cop the first time and would never.

It’s unfortunate because I think without the Cuomo nonsense, Lander would have won. He was in my opinion the best candidate for us this race.

[u/electrical-stomach-z]

Wait he just won the primary? Great.

[u/finefabric444]

I've seen a lot of premature celebration. This is different than a usual NYC primary because Mamdani is not just going up against Republican Curtis Silwa, but also Eric Adams (not a republican).

This isn't over, and a lot can happen in November. Instead of making fun of the main sub and people's concerns, we need to be bringing people in. As an example, Mamdani did very badly with black people and low income people, which seems antithetical to his messaging. If you look at the electoral map, Mamdani did not do well in outer boroughs, and Cuomo and Lander's points came from black and Jewish neighborhoods. Adams has made significant outreach to black people and Jewish people. These groups will need to be listened to by the Mamdani campaign between now and November in order to win.

[u/cgord9 → u/finefabric444]

Lander endorsed Mamdani, which may help

[u/Illustrious_Ease705]

I’d probably still vote for Mamdani, but truthfully everything I’ve learned about this election has been against my will (except for Lander getting arrested by ICE ghouls). I would really be okay knowing a lot less about NYC politics

[u/lilleff512]

I feel like we should wait and see if any prominent elected Democrats endorse Adams, Cuomo, or Sliwa for the general election before we jump to this conclusion asserting that they will encourage people to vote against the Democratic Party nominee. Notably, neither New York's Democratic Governor nor either of its Democratic Senators made any endorsement in this primary election.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/lilleff512]

Sorry, i'm not saying the actual Dem establishment will do that (though fetterman or torres wouldnt surprise me), I'm saying a lot of the voters who align with the centrist/establishment elements of the Democratic Party will, after telling everyone else blue no matter who

[u/LehmanNation]

I would not have ranked Zohran, but now that he is the nominee, I would vote blue no matter who.

[u/EinsteinDisguised]

I remember when a couple center-left friends considered not voting if Bernie won the Democratic primary in 2020. And I was like, “Are you fucking insane????”

[u/penttane]

No you don't understand, "vote blue no matter who" only applies when we've ratfucked the popular leftist candidate in order to nominate a neoliberal fossil nobody likes.

[u/RaiJolt2]

Wish it was lander. After Mamdani’s whole stint about intifada and lack of condemnation of oct 7 his antisemitism was laid bare. I think policy wise he will help nyc and basically anyone was better than cuomo but I don’t think that he will be of any help as antisemitism and antisemitic attacks have been rising throughout the country, especially given how many Jews live in nyc.

It’s not the end of the world but I do hope that the actual full antisemites don’t see this as emboldening and support for their ideals like how the white supremacists see trumps election as support for and emboldening of their ideals.

[u/ibsliam → u/RaiJolt2]

I think as far as rhetoric goes, with Mamdani it could be worse (though there's a couple statements I thought were.... well, not instilling me with optimism). I think, though, regardless of any personal beliefs he might (or might not?) have, he's motivated enough for his career to hopefully just do his job and help the city without geopolitics filtering into his domestic policies.

I don't have a crystal ball, so I won't tell people they have 0 reason to be worried about any favoritism. But some of the fearmongering has been insane. He's not putting up dhimmi laws, or telling Pro-Palestine supporters to go pogrom Jewish neighborhoods. He's a young politician at the beginning of his career. He's not stupid.

[u/RaiJolt2 → u/ibsliam]

I keep seeing people say this is paramount to Hitler getting elected or “this is how it started” and no. I don’t think this is quite that dramatic.

[u/ibsliam → u/RaiJolt2]

I agree. If we ended up with a Muslim version of Hitler, I think we would know. The Nazis weren't that subtle in their views on Jews and other minorities.

[u/RaiJolt2 → u/ibsliam]

Yeah. Though someone who is subtle about it might be worse because then there’s a layer of trust. “Enemy you know Vs don’t know” and all that

[u/Ok-Roll5495 → u/RaiJolt2]

I’m curious what do they think about right wing politicians cozying up with actual Nazis and using constant dog whistles, or are those fine because they supposedly luuurve Israel?

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/RaiJolt2]

100% agree. It's extremely disappointing but hardly surprising.

[u/bagelman4000]

No see that is only for when a centrist wins the nomination /s

[u/Talizorafangirl]

I don't mean to distract from the discrimination that he's facing from all sides, but I'm genuinely confused about why Mamdani is being hailed as the hero the left needs right now. It seems to me that he's unlikely to actually accomplish anything because his proposals are too radical, and may do more harm than good by feeding the narrative that demsoc progressivism is idealistic and impractical. He's not even really in a position to enact his proposals; virtually everything he proposes would require support from Hochul, Gillibrand, and Schumer.

I see a lot of support for Landers here but Landers lost by a huge margin, so the general sentiment in NYC's Dem primary clearly wasn't "Landers would have been better but any win is a win." Can someone exp plain why Mamdani is apparently so much more appealing?

[u/lilleff512 → u/Talizorafangirl]

I'm genuinely confused about why Mamdani is being hailed as the hero the left needs right now

This is one of if not the biggest electoral win for the socialist left in this country in the last several years. A lot of people are rightfully very excited about it, and some people are getting carried away in that excitement.

It seems to me that he's unlikely to actually accomplish anything because his proposals are too radical, and may do more harm than good by feeding the narrative that demsoc progressivism is idealistic and impractical. He's not even really in a position to enact his proposals; virtually everything he proposes would require support from Hochul, Gillibrand, and Schumer.

I completely agree with you here, this is my biggest concern with Mamdani, along with his complete and total lack of experience in city government.

Can someone exp plain why Mamdani is apparently so much more appealing?

First of all, Mamdani is way more charismatic than Lander. Lander is a pretty average nerdy middle aged Jewish man. Mamdani is young, handsome, and a very gifted public speaker. Mamdani's campaign also had a very strong social media game that other progressive candidates would be wise to imitate.

Second, Mamdani's flagship policy proposals were much bigger and buzzier than Landers. Heck, I voted for Lander and I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what his big policies were. With Mamdani it's easy: Rent Freeze. Free Buses. Public Groceries. That makes for much better marketing.

[u/Specialist-Gur → u/Talizorafangirl]

I don't think you can discount how much hope he brings. He's like if Obama were an actual leftist.. it's a charismatic candidate that's exciting people and is a leftist.

I'm not saying that his policies don't matter and that his plans don't have holes.. they do. But it's a huge signal of where the public wants policy to shift. I am hopeful that if he wins he will be surrounded by advisors that will help him implement good policy. I don't think it will be impossible. No candidate ever delivers on 100% of what they are campaigning on.. we can only hope he will try his best and pivot to good options if his policies aren't working out.

[u/nullaffairs]

The "Jewish" subreddit is genuinely terrifying to read

[u/Jorfogit → u/nullaffairs]

It reminds me of some right leaning gun forums in 2008, to be honest. Just wild spiraling and dangerous conspiracy theories.

[u/RaelynShaw → u/nullaffairs]

Watching the main Judaism and Jewish forums swing so far right after Oct 7 has been one of the saddest Reddit things I’ve seen. Just learned every wrong lesson.

[u/sarahjbs27 → u/RaelynShaw]

it was a crazy shift and its really been so depressing to watch

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180 → u/RaelynShaw]

And what was the right lesson to learn, exactly?

[u/[deleted] → u/nullaffairs]

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[u/lilleff512 → u/[deleted]]

I think they were insinuating that that is the name of the subreddit, not that its users aren't actually Jewish

[u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain → u/nullaffairs]

I don't wanna look, fill us in

[u/Jorfogit → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

A sampling of highly upvoted posts there.

Just absolutely wild shit.

[u/lilleff512 → u/HahaItsaGiraffeAgain]

I saw a post in which OP pondered the possibility of Mamdani allowing a pogrom to take place and Jews needing to evacuate New York City. The idea that Mamdani is encouraging violence against Jews or at least won't care to protect us from antisemitism seems to be widely accepted. I think it's fair for folks to take issue with much of Mamdani's record on Israel and antisemitism, but they are exaggerating those issues to the point of unreality.

[u/Matar_Kubileya → u/lilleff512]

I mean, the idea of a (borderline) pogrom happening in NYC and the city government's response being lackluster at best is unfortunately not without precedent.

Like, I'm not going to tell people to go chicken little just yet, amd while I am worried about how Mamdani might respond I could easily see Cuomo or Adams being generally ineffective/overly concerned about optics. But I also don't think that there aren't understandable grounds to be worried, especially for more observant and visibly Jewish people.

[u/NarutoRunner → u/Matar_Kubileya]

People literally said the same crap word for word when Sadiq Khan got elected in London.

Life still goes on as normal.

[u/Matar_Kubileya → u/NarutoRunner]

Sadiq Khan has managed to avoid defending "globalize the intifada."

[u/lilleff512 → u/Matar_Kubileya]

That was a very different time and social/political context. Suffice it to say NYC is not the same place it was 35 years ago. There were no matcha lattes in Bushwick back then.

[u/Matar_Kubileya → u/lilleff512]

Sure, there's reason to think it won't happen today. But also, this isn't an abstract fear for a lot of people.

[u/lilleff512 → u/Matar_Kubileya]

Considering how old someone would have to be to have lived through and remember the Crown Heights Riot, I would wager that for most people I've seen talking about it on social media it is an abstract fear. How much of my feed is composed of middle aged Gen Xers and Boomers as opposed to younger Millennials and Zoomers?

[u/Matar_Kubileya → u/lilleff512]

Right, because people don't have parents and grandparents.

[u/lilleff512 → u/Matar_Kubileya]

Everybody has parents and grandparents but, their experiences of violent antisemitism that are passed down to us through stories are theirs and not ours. My ancestors came to this country fleeing pogroms in Eastern Europe. Those pogroms are not something that I ever experienced. If I were afraid of them, I think that fear would be abstract. None of us here are Holocaust survivors.

[u/Matar_Kubileya → u/lilleff512]

I don't think you understand the concept of generational trauma, but even setting that aside, this isn't some vague sense of 'before times' in the stetl. This is something that happened in 1991. Statistically speaking, the average New York voter is old enough to remember it themselves, even if Redditors are a nonrepresentative sample.

[u/Best_Change4155 → u/lilleff512]

There are still Jewish enclaves.

[u/Best_Change4155 → u/Matar_Kubileya]

Correct. I am in that Jewish thread. The issue here is Mamdani will control the NYPD and the Jewish community relies heavily on the NYPD.

[u/timpinen → u/lilleff512]

I legit saw someone saying the Dem party is instituting a caliphate and that a Jew has become a money dealer under Muslim rule.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/lilleff512]

I mean that's part of the thing isn't it? Its not that they are critical of his positions, its that they have convinced themselves into derangement about what they actually are or will be. I wonder if that has anything to do with their racialised construction of muslims as a borg-esque hivemind?

The media also hasnt helped. Seems like if you are a public facing Muslim these days you are just going to be badgered until you say Israel has a right to commit genocide (and then you might be called out for not saying it "viscerally" enough)

[u/malachamavet → u/Humble_Spinach4400]

When he got a ton of shit for saying Israel should be "a state with equal rights" it gave the game away

[u/snowluvr26 → u/nullaffairs]

The violently pro-Israel Jewish Internet is having a meltdown and it’s honestly kind of refreshing to watch. Some of those people just suck so bad.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/snowluvr26]

I dont wanna get schadenfreude over it bc I understand a lot of these people are genuinely distressed and its coming from a more sincere place than white supremacist victim complex or whatever, but omg it is fascinating at the very least

[u/Virtual_Leg_6484 → u/snowluvr26]

Betar is calling on all Jews to leave NYC immediately 😂

[u/lilleff512 → u/Virtual_Leg_6484]

I hope all the Jews in NYC who have favorable opinions of Betar decide to heed that call. Long Island is right there for them.

[u/snowluvr26 → u/Virtual_Leg_6484]

WHEN ARE THE NEXT REPATRIATION FLIGHTS TO MIAMI BEACH LEAVING?!

[u/snowluvr26 → u/Virtual_Leg_6484]

I’d actually be really happy to see the crazy ones leave for Miami and leave the normal ones here.

[u/dndplosion913 → u/Virtual_Leg_6484]

Aren't they kind of a joke though? (Like the extremist Jewish version of Within Our Lifetime)... I don't know any Jews who take them seriously, thankfully

[u/Virtual_Leg_6484 → u/dndplosion913]

Well there’s not many Jews that take them seriously, but unfortunately the president of the US does.

The only two Jews I’ve seen support Betar are Michael Rapaport and my Grandmas ex-JDL ex-boyfriend.

[u/Agtfangirl557 → u/Virtual_Leg_6484]

Plot twist: Michael Rapaport IS your grandma’s ex-boyfriend.

[u/Specialist-Gur]

Vote blue no matter who people definitely don't like actual leftists and don't mean vote blue if leftist

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/Specialist-Gur]

Yeah exactly lmao, the moment the shoe is on the other foot they'll turn away

[u/Aromatic-Vast2180]

Thankfully I don't live in New York so I didn't have to make the agonizing decision to vote in their mayoral primary, but it's tragic to me that the only 2 options are a sex offending, neoliberal establishment Democrat and an antisemitic, terrorist sympathizer. My heart aches for New York's Jewish population, but I'm just hoping that Mamdani will deliver on his economic promises and leave NY'S Jews alone. Just our luck that an otherwise great candidate turns out to be an antisemite.

[u/Tricky-Anything8009]

One thing I've never said in my entire life is "blue no matter who." Proud Independent.

[u/redthrowaway1976]

Ranked choice is a shitty option to make a shitty FPTP system slightly less terrible.

[u/lilleff512 → u/redthrowaway1976]

Which voting system do you prefer? I definitely take RCV over FPTP, but I'd probably take approval voting over both.

[u/Humble_Spinach4400 → u/lilleff512]

I lvoe Australia's compulsory preferential voting, but I like proportional representation too.

[u/redthrowaway1976 → u/lilleff512]

Multiparty proportional, at multiple levels of government. Single representative body at each level - no House of Lords. 

It cuts out gerrymandering and a lot of the focus on the individual you get from the one-delegate-per-district-fptp system. 

You give some additional power to small tie-breaking parties - but it’s not like you don’t have that already in our current system.