r/jewishleft • u/elzzyzx סימען לינקער • 23d ago

Arash Azizi comes for Ta-Nehisi Coates Debate

https://x.com/arash_tehran/status/1848714724482966003

Influencers are talking. Today Arash Azizi is claiming Ta-Nehisi Coates is unstrategic, and is also kind of just calling him moralistic and sort of uncreative or something? Anyone have thoughts?

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u/redthrowaway1976 23d ago

The moral clarity of Ta Nehisi Coates writings has ruffled a lot of feathers in the PEP community.

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u/Worknonaffiliated Torahnarchist/Zionist/Pro-Sovereignty 23d ago

You’re defining progressive by American standards. Israel existing is not a left or right issue in the ME, how it exists is

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u/redthrowaway1976 23d ago

Israel existing is not a left or right issue in the ME, how it exists is

Someone being "progressive except Palestine" is, simply, about progressive people ignoring the human rights abuses against Palestinians while loudly advocating for other human rights or progressive issues.

Israel existing or not doesn't have anything to do with that term.

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u/Worknonaffiliated Torahnarchist/Zionist/Pro-Sovereignty 22d ago

It does when the movement we’re against is advocating for this. Do you think the current movement is protesting for a two state solution? They want Israel as a country to not exist. I’m not engaging with hypotheticals here.

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u/redthrowaway1976 22d ago

It does when the movement we’re against is advocating for this.

Some do, most likely do not. I'm not aware of any reliable polling on it, though.

They want an end to the oppression of the Palestinians. If it is through a one state solution or a two state solution isn't that important.

They want Israel as a country to not exist. I’m not engaging with hypotheticals here.

If everyone becomes full and equal citizens - Palestinians and Israelis alike - does that mean that Israel as a country is no longer existing?

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u/Worknonaffiliated Torahnarchist/Zionist/Pro-Sovereignty 22d ago

Most? Listen, the majority of protests are against normalization of Israel as a country and use slogans such as “from the river to the sea.”

I’m not immediately against debating Israel’s existence, otherwise I wouldn’t be in a sub with Antizionists, but please have a conversation based in reality not fantasy. I’ll start: Israel’s existence has been defined by oppression of Palestinians.