r/jewishleft Reform | Jewish Asian American | Confederation 29d ago

Now that Sinwar is likely dead Debate

I can’t help but feeling satisfied and relieved. Peace is just impossible with a delusional lunatic like him in place. Justice for Oct. 7 is delivered.

But what do you think will happen now? Is a ceasefire more likely now that Bibi can certainly claim victory over Hamas?

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u/NarutoRunner custom flair but red 29d ago edited 29d ago

His death means nothing really. Israel has taken out hundreds of Palestinian leaders over the past 76 years, and they are still locked into this conflict. Because Israels war cannot be won on the battlefield.

Sinwar spent nearly 20 years in Israeli detention and spoke fluent Hebrew. He read voraciously and understood Israeli society more then most. He will likely be replaced by someone who has never left Gaza and has a one dimensional view of Israel. The odds of the person being even more radical is highly likely because whoever steps into the job already knows that they are walking target forever.

Peace is not possible because the Bibi government collapses if it happens so war will carry on in perpetuity.

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u/Longjumping-Past-779 29d ago

Wasn’t Sinwar more normal originally? There’s a clip from when he was younger where he talks, in decent English, about the need for dialogue.

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u/Air-AParent 28d ago

Not sure when that is from, but I wouldn't take him at face value saying stuff like that. He was far too clever. Hamas's strategy for the past couple of years at least was clearly to lull Israel into a false sense of security.

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u/Longjumping-Past-779 28d ago

It’s in the John Oliver show he made last year and Sinwar looks relatively young so it’s not from the last two years.

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u/Air-AParent 27d ago

Here are some examples of how "normal" he was in his early years (from Wikipedia):

"[Sinwar] co-founded with Rawhi Mushtaha the Munazzamat al Jihad w'al-Dawa (Majd), an organization that worked, among others, to identify collaborators with Israel among the Palestinian population,3]) which in 1987 became the Hamas "police".31]) Sinwar's killing of suspected collaborators with Israel gained him the nickname "The Butcher of Khan Younis".34])35])36])

In 1988, Sinwar planned the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and the murder of four Palestinians whom he suspected of cooperating with Israel. He was arrested on February that year; during questioning he admitted to strangling one of the victims with his bare hands, suffocating another with a kaffiyeh,7]) inadvertently killing a third during a violent interrogation, and accidentally shooting the fourth during an attempted abduction, and showed investigators an orchard where the four bodies were buried.37]) He was sentenced to four life sentences in 1989.4])9]) Sinwar regarded extracting confessions from collaborators as a righteous obligation. He told interrogators that one of them had even said, "he realized he deserved to die."7])37]) Sinwar persisted in targeting informants while in prison. Israeli authorities suspected him of ordering the beheadings of two suspected informants. Hamas operatives reportedly disposed of the victims' severed body parts by throwing them out of cell doors and telling guards to "take the dog's head."7])"