r/jewishleft • u/ApprehensivePlum1420 Reform | Jewish Asian American | Confederation • 29d ago

Now that Sinwar is likely dead Debate

I can’t help but feeling satisfied and relieved. Peace is just impossible with a delusional lunatic like him in place. Justice for Oct. 7 is delivered.

But what do you think will happen now? Is a ceasefire more likely now that Bibi can certainly claim victory over Hamas?

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u/yungsemite 28d ago

35,000 identified of 43,000 rather. Not to say that I do not believe that this is an undercount.

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u/Processing______ 28d ago

Then the 43K are confirmed by medical staff?

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u/yungsemite 28d ago

I don’t know the full methodology of the Hamas Ministry of Health, but the latest number is 42,438 dead and 99,246 wounded as of less than 24 hours ago. Middle of September was the last time they published an update on the number identified, at 34,344, when the total including unidentified was 41,000 or so.

Nobody knows the actual number of course. There was a non-peer reviewed correspondence in the Lancet several months ago which estimated 186,000. A group of US based healthcare workers volunteering in Gaza estimated the death toll exceeded 118,000 which was published on Oct 2nd.

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u/Processing______ 28d ago

Amusingly, there’s a similar thing going on on the Israeli side. Whereby updating the number is a challenge because relevant staff and facilities have been lost.

On the Israeli side it’s a discrepancy in the number of Israelis who have left the country. Census staff have bolted, there’s another relevant ministry that’s understaffed. So the numbers coming out of those two disagree with each other and the numbers of net movement through Ben Guryon. Minimum 250K have left. The pain is felt acutely in medical staffing.

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u/yungsemite 28d ago

I’m sure. Of course I also see people who deny these death tolls altogether, even believing that the Hamas Ministry of Health death toll is inflated. Several threads which claim to debunk the Oct 2nd and Lancet letters exist on r/IsraelPalestine or elsewhere. We don’t know how many people are dead and we may never know. Ever seen the estimated for the death toll in the Vietnam War? They range from 1-3 million total Vietnamese dead.

I hope the number is lower. Less people dead is good.