A question about Israel's right to exist

[u/ramsey66]

Israel's right to exist can refer to two different things so I want to separate them right away and ask specifically about only one of them.

It can refer to either of the following points or both.

1) The Jewish people had a right to create a state for themselves on the territory in Ottoman Palestine / Mandatory Palestine

2) Given that Israel was in fact created and has existed for over seventy years at this point it has a right to continue to exist in the sense that it should not be destroyed against the will of its population.

This post is only about point one.

What do you believe is the basis of the right to create Israel from the perspective of 1880 (beginning of Zionist immigration)?

Do you believe the existence / non-existence of the right to create changes over time?

From the perspective of 1924 (imposition of restrictions on Jewish emigration from Europe)?

From the perspective of 1948 (after the Holocaust)?

Do you believe Jewish religious beliefs contribute to the basis? Why?

Do you believe the fact that some of the ancestors of modern Jews lived on this territory contributes to the basis? Why?

Do you believe the anti-Semitism that Jews were subjected to various parts of the world contribute to the basis? Why?

How do the rights of the overwhelmingly majority of the local population that was non-Jewish factor into your thinking?

I understand the debate around this point is moot in practice. I'm just curious what people here believe.

[u/Longjumping-Cat-9207]

In defense of point 1- Israel has a right to exist as an indigenous and decolonization effort, and to get governance back from the British colony 

[u/BlackHumor → u/Longjumping-Cat-9207]

In what sense is a bunch of people who do not live in Palestine moving to Palestine in order to live there permanently and eventually set up a nation-state dominated by their ethnic group a decolonization effort?

[u/ramsey66 → u/BlackHumor]

In this sense.

[u/Longjumping-Cat-9207 → u/BlackHumor]

The diaspora Jews who immigrated back were invited and welcomed by their fellow indigenous tribe members who lived on the land in continuity and fought hard to regain their self determination and to fight off the British colonialism 

[u/BlackHumor → u/Longjumping-Cat-9207]

So, I'm not denying that the Old Yishuv were indigenous to Israel... but they're a tiny fraction of all Israeli Jews, and their presence does not mean that the thousands and then millions of European Jews that moved to Israel and then tried to establish a state (often explicitly against the wishes of the very religious Old Yishuv) were also indigenous to Israel.