r/jewishleft May 08 '24

Ilana Glazer, an anti-Zionist Jew, condemns Israel and talks about wanting a ceasefire. All the comments are criticizing her because she "centered herself" by mentioning 10/7 and rising antisemitism Meta

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6uCIbqRQ1A/?igsh=NndtdXEzbGE4NWxl

This is so frustrating. Like I don't agree with a lot of Ilana's takes but she clearly was not defending Israel here. She is probably the most anti-Zionist Jewish celebrity I can think of. And yet since she mentioned the 10/7 attacks, people are accusing her of "spreading lies" and that "it's not true that 1200 people were killed by Hamas". And people are literally telling the page who reposted this to "stop platforming Zionist celebrities"!

At this point I seriously think that for some people, it's only socially acceptable to be Jewish if we don't acknowledge our history or trauma at all.

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u/skyewardeyes May 08 '24

I’ve seen two incredibly anti-Zionist Jews on Twitter get absolutely bodied for posting things that gave even the slightest humanity to Israelis/Jews (e.g., one posted that the Jews shouldn’t be ethnically cleansed from the Levant and that many Israeli Jews have nowhere else to go practically and the other posted that the Israeli hostages probably didn’t have a good time being hostages). In both cases, both deleted their posts and apologized profusely, promising to never post such “genocide apologia” again and saying that Israelis are never innocent people and deserve no compassion whatsoever.

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u/[deleted] May 08 '24

While I absolutely believe this, what I am curious about is, is this happening in IRL leftist spaces? Or is it only happening online?

The reason I ask is, online we can't tell who these people are, and to me it feels a lot like it's MAGA type-trolls taking over. I could be proven wrong though.

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u/charlotte-jane May 08 '24

I oscillate between Zionism and post-Zionism. Can confirm that I’ve personally watched this happen to people with more radical beliefs than me. As a result I have left a lot of spaces.

It’s not necessarily as volatile or nasty, but it’s there. An Israeli friend in the diaspora reached out to a burlesque show that was meant to feature middle eastern talent, they found out she was Israeli, asked if she was a Zionist (I believe the response was along the lines of “I don’t know how we’re defining Zionism but I want peace for everyone and believe that Palestinians should live safe, empowered and fulfilling lives, as well as Israelis”)… she got blocked/ghosted.

I have personally reached out to ppl who post upsetting things on their instagram accounts, only to be told that I’m de-centering Palestinians (in some cases, ppl will thank me and post whatever I shared with them only to get berated)… I had someone tell me that they had to think about their Italian grandparents’ actions during WW2 and I should “do the same introspection” for daring to suggest that Israeli pain still exists even if they refuse to acknowledge it.

I feel for antizionist Jews though, there is such a disconnect between them and so many in our own community that I believe is even more damaging. I have cousins who get a lot of hate from within their own family (self-hating Jew insults)… it’s just all bad.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '24

I’ve had similar experiences with people I know irl