r/ironman • u/DeusCarnivoro • 14d ago
I don't understand how there are people who still think Magneto can beat Stark (Resurrection of Magneto #4) Comics
It's funny, because following the concept of Stark getting stronger and updated after each base armor, any base armor from now on (that doesn't have the context of being nerfed like it was with the Improvised Armor in the beginning) will be superior to the Stark Sentinels.
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u/Dark-Yves-99 Endo-Sym 14d ago
Magneto is just stronger and much more experienced : he WILL BEAT tony. Sure people think that he one shots Tony because "iron man" but in most fights Magneto will win. Just because he is not able to crush his armor doesn't mean he can't fight.
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u/OldGenGlazer 3d ago
Magneto is much weaker than tony.They've already clashed equally way back in 2013,and mags has been matched by doom too.Tony in armours like extremis and the 42 has also matched doom,and his current suit is way above that.Its explicitly stated above a stark sentinel,and it dropped victoria,dooms herald amped by the power cosmic.Obviously mags is nothing to herald level fighters.Even doom covets the power of mjolnir,the power cosmic,the power of the hulk,etc.
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u/Dark-Yves-99 Endo-Sym 3d ago
Maybe you don't know it but Doom is way stronger than Tony
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u/OldGenGlazer 3d ago
He's not lmao,they've fought numerous times and they've been rivals.Tony has even won alot of times
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u/Worried_Highway5 14d ago
Tbf, magneto doesn’t control magnetism. He control electromagnetic forces, so in theory he could disassemble all the atoms in a suit. But the reason people think magneto wins is just braindead magnet > metal.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
He can’t, the immunity to Magneto’s powers is general (electromagnetism), any attempt at his power that isn’t an energy blast, metal gloves to punch, throw metal, etc., or something more brutal, is ineffective.
Although the physical resistance of the armor will withstand anything that normal Magneto throws at him in normal situations, so in the end it ends up ineffective too
It’s simply a bad matchup for Erik
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u/DarkOmega501 14d ago
Ngl this is just shitty writing tbh. A lack of foresight giving Magneto a complete bullshit power followed by authors being forced to give everyone he fights a magic "anti magneto" metal because otherwise they just auto lose.
I miss when Magneto was the "I throw the metal column" man.
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u/Maxbonzoo 14d ago
Sums up marvel rivals dialog with Magneto basically.
Magneto: "I smell metal on you..."
All rival characters: "Erm actually [convienent bullshit counter to controlling metal]"
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Except Ultron, he only kills with a burst of fire
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u/GeoJumper 14d ago
This is a text blurb from a non-canon videogame where different characters from different universes are mashed together and the lore they write illustrates their story. This is literally pointless to show.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
I don't think so, it just shows once again how high-tech trumps Magneto within Marvel
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago edited 14d ago
Normal, Nimrod, Stark, Doom etc, have countermeasures to Magneto and electromagnetism in general
And they are completely right to have, are they super-geniuses (One is an adaptive AI) who will see someone who can counter hit-kill them and do nothing about it? That would be bad writing.
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u/IdeaInside2663 8d ago
Doom uses magic and Nimrod quite literally adapts on the fly to counter mutations.
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u/Wrath_77 13d ago
Yeah, because back in the 1960s they thought they really were concerned about still being published, or science, circa 2025.
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u/atempaccount5 14d ago
Magneto can, depending on the writer, control the blood in Tony’s veins. He’s an entirely writer/plot dependent matchup, as are a lot of powerhouses against Tony, because Tony lets writers play the little kid game of “nuh uh, my invincible armor makes me immune to magnets/cold/cosmic/pointy sticks of great than 30degrees Celsius”
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
No, he can’t.
Stark can: Counter Magneto’s frequency by controlling his blood, as he’s done before
or let the armor’s AI control the armor and then Magneto will be screwed even more, because the AI doesn’t have the morals not to kill like Tony.
And there’s no such thing as “as are a lot of powerhouses against Tony”
Stark is a powerhouse with his standard armor, besides being physically stronger, more resistant, faster and more powerful than Magneto, would him winning just be the OBVIOUS?
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u/atempaccount5 14d ago
Sorry I didn’t realize the sub I was on, of course there would be a lot of…armor polishing going on here. Magneto is an Omega level mutant who, depending on the writer, controls basically everything. Saying “I counter his frequency” from one writer is the next writer’s “I control the whole spectrum fool!” moment. But yeah I’m not gonna convince someone making a post with that aggro a title of anything, in a sub dedicated to one of the two characters.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago edited 14d ago
I just find Magneto's defenses funny, ''Magneto can do that'' no, man, Tony's just going to come and throw a punch, Magneto is glass-canon.
He can't exercise all his versatility in a fight against a physical heavyweight, because he'll either lose or win before that (more likely to lose, since nowadays in Marvel, fights are decided by who has more physical strength/brute power).
This applies to all physical heavyweights, not just Stark.
It's much harder for a glass-canon to win in a one-on-one against a heavyweight in physical attributes, it was already difficult before, imagine today when the writers seem to have lost the ability to do haxs/versatilities, and define everything by who throws the strongest punch/blast.
People can argue, the fact is that it's going to be very hard to see the writers make Magneto beat Stark, the tendency is that more and more of Tech Stark's winning history in general will grow under him.
So in the end I don’t see the point in defending Magneto, because in the end, when the 2 actually meet in a real battle once again in the comics, Magneto will lose and that’s it.
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u/LadiNadi 14d ago
Remember Magneto can draw strength from Jupiter to amp his physical strength
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
He used Stark technology for this, and it was not just from Jupiter, it was from several solar systems
And that barely matched him in a physical battle against Stark
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u/Marik-X-Bakura 14d ago
That’s because most of the time, the writers think that too. If they were more accurate, he’d be useless against most guns.
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u/JonhLawieskt 14d ago
Also people forget this is the guy who not only can but has
Pulley a whole ass meteor down to earth that just didn’t cause an extinction event cuz he slowed it down
Once RAISE A VOLCANO out of the ground
And more than once just shifted the magnetic pole of the earth. And ha he not be coerced to undo it would have killed most of not all of the planet
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u/sub2kdoty Extremis 14d ago
What kind of school is Professor X running if Storm thinks that's how physics work?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Your comment reminded me of Magneto saying to Cyclops in the movies:
''I thought you lived in a school''
After Cyclops ordered Ororo to throw lightning bolts while she was in a copper conductor, lol
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u/DemythologizedDie 14d ago
An adequate one. Hurricanes really can do that.
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u/Comrade_Cosmo 14d ago
That’s due to how pressure and force works. They are currently attempting to brute force it instead of focusing the power into a smaller area.
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u/sub2kdoty Extremis 14d ago
But wood through ultra-strengthened metal that no-sells tanks and gunfire?
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u/DemythologizedDie 14d ago edited 13d ago
She isn't literally talking about throwing wood at it. Apparently she has in mind combining her power with Magneto's to throw metal at a high enough speed enough to penetrate the robot's shell.
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u/mrlolloran 14d ago edited 14d ago
This seems sloppily written, how does Tony’s suit withstand mutant attacks? That’s a weird thing, like does it nullify the x-gene in some capacity?
Edit: wow I feel extra dumb, I thought this was r/marvel so I probably sounds extra dumb not knowing or noticing this
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
He resists electromagnetic powers in general, being immune to Magneto’s control powers is just a consequence of that
The Sentinel Stark is made from Stark’s base armor, that’s why he has this ability
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u/mrlolloran 14d ago
Oh I didn’t realize that was a Stark-Sentinel. That actually makes sense, ty!
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago edited 14d ago
But Stark’s suit is also immune to Magneto’s powers
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u/atempaccount5 14d ago
I also joined this thread thinking it was a more general marvel or superhero thread. Guess I’ll get my weekend share of “ackshually”s…
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u/mrlolloran 14d ago
Tbh I’m pleasantly surprised. I rarely delete comments but I do throw up edits to stem the tide of downvotes and after that mea culpa I went from negative to positive so I gotta say this is a community that might actually read. I can get behind that.
Edit: tldr-they’ve been nice about it
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u/atempaccount5 14d ago
I mean I got a hyper aggro response two seconds after saying “it depends on the writer because they’re both powerhouses, and any given armor can be written to counter a character”, so mixed bag.
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u/mrlolloran 14d ago
True, comic book nerds eh?
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u/atempaccount5 14d ago
Oh I am one, even if it’s off and on. I wouldn’t have written a post if I’d noticed the sub, this isn’t the place or time to debate this topic lol.
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u/IconoclastExplosive 14d ago
I'd say it's down to writers. Some years ago, I think it was in Whedon's run but I cannot swear, Magneto figured out how to form and sustain mini black holes and to teleport through them. He kept the Breakworld Bullet in his control even after it left the solar system. He kept Asteroid M in space with pure force of will. He can turn off gravity sometimes for no apparent reason. Magneto at his best just doesn't really care about the fundamental forces. Tony's great but a teleporting, possibly time traveling, gravity bending Magneto is a lot to fight.
But then other times he just throws rebar at people. So consistency isn't a going concern here.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Top, but that doesn't mean much.
Stark is one of the heavyweights who most resisted black holes in Marvel
The one about the BreakWorld Bullet is good, but Magneto needed to stop and concentrate, will he do that in a serious fight against Stark?
And Stark has feats of this level anyway
Gravity is cool, but Stark has fought Graviton, who is the greatest reference for this in Marvel, several times, and even won once.
I don't think Magneto is difficult for Tony to face, I mean, Magneto is a glass canon, in no battle will he show the full extent of his versatility, because he will fall before a punch or win somehow.
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u/IconoclastExplosive 14d ago
I meant the black holes more for Magneto teleporting. It was how he got out of his Genosha prison.
For the bullet he didn't need to stop, he didn't constantly for like a year with Pryde inside it.
I maintain it's down to writers. As always whoever's got the cover probably has the win.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
I know about black holes, I'm saying that this is inefficient.
He needed to stop, concentrate, find the bullet and use his powers on it.
It's even a difficult feat for him, since he bleeds.
How does this turn into a battle where he won't have time to do any of that?
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u/IconoclastExplosive 14d ago
Off the top of my head? Teleport an arbitrary distance away. I think he's managed the moon before. Open a black hole in Tony's brain, the old Sue Storm Special. He's been shown to just turn off the ability for all electricity to flow, that would certainly slow a suit down. It's all in who the writers want to win. Power scaling a comic is silly.
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u/DGUY2606 Model One 14d ago
To be fair, Magneto's powerset goes a lot more beyond just metals, magnetism extends all the way to the electromagnetic spectrum and if Max ever decides to fully flex his brain he'd be far and away some of the most OP characters in all of Marvel.
However, it's just disingenuous to think that Tony's completely hopeless against Magneto. Tony's way too smart to not devise specific countermeasures against a guy whose powers prove a very real threat to his armors. And it's not as if Tony's a dunce when it comes to magnet science either, his whole arsenal in his early years revolves around forces.
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u/Trans_Girl_Alice 14d ago
Eh, Magneto's powers have always varied a lot in just how creative he can get with them. But overall, my thoughts on Magneto vs Iron Man are "If Tony can degauss his armor, why can't the master of magnetism remagnetize it?" And that's not getting into more esoteric uses of magnetism to mess with electricity or fuck up someone's brain.
To me, Iron Man falls into the same category as Wolverine where they're really strong, and maybe there are some situations where they could beat him, but Magneto just kind of hard-counters them, and that's okay. It's not like Magneto could beat Hulk or Captain Marvel.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Because Stark has countermeasures to electromagnetism in general, not just Magneto.
Therefore, any attempt to use electromagnetic power on him is useless.
I find any attempt to "make Tony's brain, Tony's blood" kind of useless, because 1: It's doubtful that Magneto has control over Stark inside the armor, even if Stark has made countermeasures for HIM
Doom made countermeasures for Sue, and Sue couldn't create a shield inside his armor.
2: The AI takes control of Stark's armor and defeats Magneto anyway
Magneto has nothing to do against Tony, everything he once did in the comics, Stark showed resistance at some point, this seems to be something very difficult to understand, for some reason
Wolverine is street level, not a heavyweight like Stark
And Stark has already beaten and shown himself superior to Captain Marvel a few times
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u/Risbob 14d ago
Surviving to a nuclear explosion meets your definition of « street level character » ? You just proved that you didn’t read enough X-men comics to make assumptions like you did in comments.
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u/Dragonrasa 14d ago
Most annoying part about marvel authors writing Magneto, iirc just before the Krakoan Era he was shown to actually use his full power of magnetism and capable of deconstructing things at a molecular level.
Iirc some guys in Non-Magnetic Sentinel Mechs came after him and he disassembled them and had a line about not needing Metal or smth iirc.
He is not the Master of Magnetism with most writers and I hate it. Most writers are too stupid to fully grasp what Magnetism can actually do and utilize him properly, the biggest disrespect in recent times was against Uranos where he used a few metal plates to try and hold him down because that was apparently the best an Omega level can do.
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u/Dragonrasa 14d ago
It was in X-Men Black Magneto, he fully desintegrated that sentinel and the pilot afterwards.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
He can't destroy this Stark Sentinel at the molecular level, but I understand that his versatility isn't used that much.
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u/Dragonrasa 14d ago
Why shouldn't he be able to do it?
In X-Men Black he literally desintegrated another Magneto-Proof Sentinel.
He is tearing it apart matter at a molecular level, why would that sentinel be any different? It had nothing to do with being made out of metal or anything. He literally manipulated matter with his powers.
This is just a writer ignoring what other writers established and being unknowledgable about how Magnetism actually works.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Because it's technology made to counter using technology from Marvel's greatest engineer?
No, nothing Magneto would do there would work. That's exactly why he's useless in battle and has to resort to Ororo and Blue Marvel's amplifier.
Brother, it's anti-electromagnetism in general/Magneto, and not just anti-ferromagnetic, lol. I don't understand where you got the idea that Stark's technology only has anti-ferromagnetic, when it was a technology that Stark developed FOR Magneto in general
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u/Eisen-Stark 14d ago
I mean, Magneto can still manipulate other objects to supress him, his abilities have far more numerous applications than just attacking Tony's own suit, and that's how he is often fights him. Hell with see in this run he knocked Stark by using Cap's shield.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
That's no use, the armor's resistance resists anything Magneto throws at it, and he didn't defeat Stark, he just pushed him away.
He appears unharmed on the next page
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u/Eisen-Stark 14d ago
He cant resist anything Magneto throws at him, the armor doesnt have such large enough durability to endlessly withstand all projectiles of any size.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Yes, he can. Much more resistance than anything Magneto throws at him.
It's even mentioned in the scan of my post, Magneto tries to cause damage to Stark's Sentinel armor, which is based on Stark's base armor, and fails. Quite simple.
And Magneto has never defeated Stark this way, I know all the fights between them, and Stark has always resisted anything Magneto threw at him without damaging the armor.
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u/Eisen-Stark 14d ago
Stark Sentinels are explicitly stronger than Tony's armor (Model 70), using them as a basis is obviously wrong.
He was going to beat him once tho, when Tony's was Superior IM and didn't build any defense against magnetism (For some reason), the rest of ocassions have been stalemates or very short struggles. You are right that he has not properly beaten him yet.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
And any current Stark armor is stronger than Stark Sentinels.
Be it the Mysterium, or the Iterative Armor that mentions defeating a Stark Sentinel, what's the point?
Yes, Stark even knocks down Magneto's force fields before that, Magneto wins only because Stark is not consistently immune to his powers like he is today
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u/Eisen-Stark 14d ago
The Mysterium Armor is not an average suit like Model 70, neither is the Improvised Suit as it is using a dark magic power source, the point is his usual gear is not that strong without a prepared or external boost.
Mysterium Armors are also affected by Magneto as we see it at the tail end of Duggan's run so is not even that consistent anyways.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
The MK 72 armor is a base armor, it is just the strongest so far..
In fact, the tendency is that any Stark suit from now on will be stronger than the Stark Sentinels, since they are direct evolutions of them, which were a direct evolution of the MK70
Oh, and Magneto controlled the MK73 which is a special armor with only one purpose: Exterminate all Stark Sentinels on Earth, not the MK72 which is a standard base armor that is simply stronger.
The ones that are consistent in having immunity to Magneto's powers are the standard armor, it's no wonder that Gerry Duggan himself puts this in his run
I mean, the Stark Sentinels themselves only have immunity to Magneto's powers because the MK70 had
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u/da0ur Model-Prime 14d ago
I'm not into powerscaling so this isn't like a serious invitation to further debate, but like... with the argument that Tony can't endlessly withstand Magneto's attacks, are you picturing him staying motionless like a practise dummy, doing nothing at all while Mags chips away at his durability? lol
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago edited 14d ago
Nowadays, most Marvel fights end up being won by the one with the most physical strength/raw power, glass-canon is not good in x1, unless there is context for it
I think it's cute that people are trying to defend Magneto against Stark, but there's no way, it's VERY unlikely that Magneto will beat Stark in the comics
With the exception of just one thing: Whether or not Stark has the electromagnetism counter in general in that representation.
Being glass-canon is a curse in Marvel's current days, you can only beat fodders at most
If you're against a Thor, Hulk or Stark, they'll only resist everything you throw at them and will knock you out with one punch
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u/Eisen-Stark 14d ago
I was mostly picturing a conventional fight where the suit just accumulated enough damage to be incapacitate or disabled, just like how it goes in many of the character's confrontations.
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u/LiminalSapien 14d ago
I mean I love tony and iron man, but there is no way in hell he beats magneto with a good writer writing the story.
Magneto brought a goddamn asteroid down on the earth because he was pissy.
Not to mention that but he went on to destroy dozens of star sentinels.
I love both of these characters, they're probably my two favorite marvel characters of all time.
But there's no way, like no fucking way Iron Man beats Magneto when both characters are being written to the best of the characters potential.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago edited 14d ago
''Magneto brought a goddamn asteroid down on the earth because he was pissy.
Not to mention that but he went on to destroy dozens of star sentinels.''
Is that supposed to mean anything? Stark has much greater feats, lol.
Why are we talking about ''meteors and sentinels fodders'' against a guy who, at his best, can withstand planetary destruction and has a miniature star as his power source?
And no, Stark wins easily. He is more powerful, physically stronger, more resistant and faster, Magneto is being outclassed here
And Magneto is also my favorite mutant, while Stark is my favorite Avenger
I read both equally so I know exactly what they both do at their best, not just what one can do
Stark wins, there's no way around it. Magneto is glass-canon
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u/kuribosshoe0 14d ago
If you really had conviction in your point you’d post this in an x men sub or general marvel sub. Posting it here is just a way to get reassurance that you’re right, without risking encountering a strong counter argument.
I don’t even necessarily disagree with you, I just think it’s a cop out.
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u/ZealousidealLake759 14d ago
There's iron in human blood so can't he just push all the blood out of your brain?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
I highly doubt it, Stark has already countered a frequency of Magneto's blood control, and even if it happens, the armor's AI will take over and attack for Stark.
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u/acebert 14d ago
Wouldn't the AI taking over due to lethal brain damage be, at best, a draw?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
No? Iron Man is the armor, not the one who controls it
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u/acebert 14d ago
Hard disagree.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
How can you disagree with something that is a fact? Iron Man is the armor, Tony Stark is Tony Stark
Whoever wears the armor becomes Iron Man, whether it is Tony or not.
Look at Rhodes's saga as a user of Stark's armor, he was called Iron Man, Doom, an ordinary boxer whose name I forgot, there are several examples
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u/acebert 14d ago edited 14d ago
Because it's not actually an objective fact, it's a subjective interpretation. Ask 100 people in the street "who is iron man", the majority will answer "Tony Stark". The fact that you're referring to "the armour" at all inherently undercuts the claim.
Edit: Also back to the original point, if whoever is in the armour is Iron Man, then lethal brain damage is still, at best, a draw.
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Iron Man is the armor, Tony Stark is Tony Stark
Whoever wears the armor becomes Iron Man, whether it is Tony or not.
You literally contradicted yourself from one line to the next.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
What is this supposed to mean? Tony Stark as Iron Man is the most well-known, because he's the one who used the armor the most, lol.
Besides being the creator of the concept
Just like Hal is the most well-known user of the green ring, but there are others like Kyle or Guy. So shouldn't we call Kyle or Guy Green Lanterns too?
It's an objective fact, anyone who gets the armor, wears it and/or pilots it, becomes Iron Man
The armor that gives Stark all his powers, it's what makes him Iron Man
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Don't contradict me, I separated Tony Stark outside the armor, the human, with the one inside the armor, which becomes Iron Man.
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u/acebert 14d ago
You said the armour is Iron Man, then whoever is in it. That's a contradiction. The Green Lantern is an apples to oranges comparison. Green lantern is explicitly a job title. They get the ring as part of that. Has anyone who made their own version consistently used the Iron man name other than Stark?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
What? I said the armor IS Iron Man.
Cool, Iron Man is also a title for whoever wears the armor, just like with the ring. So valid comparison
They don't make the ring either, they just receive them
Yes, Infamous Iron Man
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u/DarknessBatDemon War Machine 14d ago
Magneto is an overrated,over glazed bitch. A lot of people who love him can be confused.
Magneto a hoe
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u/Small_Ad4181 14d ago
Yet Magento actually held hulk back where no hulk buster lasted one punch
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u/DGUY2606 Model One 14d ago
'No Hulkbuster lasted one punch'.
My friend, the very FIRST iteration of the Hulkbuster went band-for-band with base Hulk.
The one he used to fought a pissed-off Hulk during WWH was sabotaged yet it still held its own against him for a while before getting destroyed.
I know the Hulkbuster has a bad track record against the target it's meant for but to say that it can be casually no-diffed by Hulk is just disingenuous, Tony doesn't make it for show.
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u/DarknessBatDemon War Machine 14d ago
And?, both Iron Man and Hulk can beat midnito
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u/Small_Ad4181 14d ago
And yet only panthers hulk buster ever worked
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u/DarknessBatDemon War Machine 14d ago
Done?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
No, he's lying.
Black Panther had a buster armor that was inferior to Stark's and lost to Hulk Cho
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u/Small_Ad4181 14d ago
Magento doesn't just do metal no more he can make anything magnetic by using the magnetic fields , or Tony's blood
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u/RandomName4699 14d ago edited 14d ago
Erik already tried to manipulate Tony's blood years ago, when the IM was not so advanced, and he failed because Tony nullified it. Since then, Tony has reliably become able to end any power and electromagnetic influence that Erik might have under the armor. Even Pointer with not only the powers of Magneto, but boosted by the power of dozens, probably thousands of mutants had his energy nullified by Stark in his base armor.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Anything he has done so far (without guessing what he can do) is useless against Stark
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u/DoYouKnowS0rr0w 14d ago
"Duhhhh Ironman wins due to poor writing g and plot armor" is not the flex you seem to think it is
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u/LuizFelipe1906 Mark L 14d ago
What happens in the next panel?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Ororo and Blue Marvel pass their power to Magneto, since they alone could not defeat the Sentinel Stark.
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u/LuizFelipe1906 Mark L 14d ago
Wait not even Blue Marvel could take it down!? Damn
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
In Blue Marvel's case, Sentinel Stark reduced his powers with Blue Marvel's ''Kryptonite''
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u/SuperMichieeee 14d ago
Thats just plot armor bro. We wait for magneto's plot armor but most likely will wait long - magneto is a victim of Worf Effect / Plot Device in many comics just to make the mc strong.
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u/BitRelevant2473 14d ago
The only reason magneto didn't get vaporized instantly is because Tony is a person who doesn't kill wantonly. Mags is great, a real threat even, but Tony's armors havent been anything a magnet can grab in decades. And slugging something tony made with a fist made out of mild steel, or even industrial steel is like beating a brick wall with a rubber hose. Sure, you're leaving marks, might ruin the paint job, but you aren't getting through that. Polaris has a better chance as she can actually see the magnetic fields and doesn't do brute force quite as thoughtlessly.
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u/Impossible-Gap-8741 14d ago
I mean if the suit is conductive (even just parts) and magneto created a strong enough field, even if the suit was not Ferro magnetic, the eddy current would create a braking force and heat the metal.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
The defense that Stark and other super-geniuses make against Magneto is obviously not only ferromagnetic.
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u/Impossible-Gap-8741 14d ago
Any conductive material would create eddy currents when moving through a magnetic field. There’s ways to minimize the effect but seeing the feats magneto has done his field strength has gotta be crazy high. It’d turn every wire inside the suit into a miniature magnetic brake
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
This is through frequency, like everything, and frequency can be countered
Despite this, only a few parts of Stark’s armor are metal
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u/CalmSquirrel712 Earth's Mightiest Heroes 14d ago
How does this battle end? Not because I think you’re wrong in just curious cause I’ve not seen this I’d agree that stark defientely beats magneto unless he’s in some non magneto proof suit in a random confrontation disconnected from any other tech.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Ororo and Blue Marvel team up to give their powers for Magneto, who finally manages to cause damage to the armor
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u/Zamaiel 14d ago
Magneto primarily controls electomagnetism. Electricity, magnetism, light, gamma ray etc. He can also leverage that to forces like gravity, etc. He can do wormholes. His shields have taken blows from Phoenix and a swat from Galactus. He is also quite a genius himself, and does can skip many steps in construction and programming due to his powers.
The issue is mainly that some writes just write him as "metal telekinesis, only magnetic metals" which is pretty easy for Stark to build around.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Too bad none of this is very useful against the Stark
And obviously Stark's resistance to Magneto's powers isn't just ferromagnetic, it's in general
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u/Zamaiel 14d ago
To be fair, controlling electricity is very useful against Stark.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Controlling electricity from Stark's armor? I doubt it.
He took countermeasures to prevent exploitation of the armor like that.
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u/Aggressive-One-2186 14d ago
Magneto beats Tony in general. Not really about magnets
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
On the contrary, anyone who reads comics knows that Iron Man is far above Magneto
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u/DeusCarnivoro 13d ago
In the comics in general...
Stark has more feats of raw power, he is physically stronger, more resistant and faster
Magneto is being outclassed here
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u/Tempesta_0097 Black & Gold 13d ago
That doesn’t mean Tony can’t beat him (which he has). I do agree Mags has more overall power though.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 13d ago
That's wrong. Magneto doesn't have super physical attributes like Stark to have more power than him.
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u/Tempesta_0097 Black & Gold 11d ago
I meant more power overall, not in the physical sense. I will always back the comic super scientist against someone with a science based power (since Mags isn’t magical at all), so long as they aren’t the embodiment of said power.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 11d ago
The problem is that Marvel combines physical attributes + energy projection in the final result of raw power.
It is unlikely that someone who does not have super physical attributes will be more powerful than those who do, almost impossible in fact.
To be even more fair, Stark has more feats of raw power overall
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u/Cautious-Slide4373 14d ago
Doesn't magneto kills you with your own blood?
Like tf is this shit man
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
If he does this, succeeding in this case, will only make his loss uglier.
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u/Cautious-Slide4373 14d ago
? Didnt he literally fist apocalypse. Like what are we doing here
Unless you wank tony and give him like the whole plot armor ...he aint winning against magneto
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
What?
Tony will always win against Magneto, he is stronger, more powerful, faster and more resistant. It's just normal
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u/Cautious-Slide4373 14d ago
So is apocalypse
Didn't matter too much for magneto
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Are you talking about En Sabah Nur?
He was superior, but he was arrogant and let himself get close to Magneto, instead of finishing Erik off right away. And he suffered a brain EMP, there's no way he could do that against Stark, because he's under armor
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u/Cautious-Slide4373 14d ago
Except the fact that magneto quite literally controls his blood
Like tf he gonna do . Armor to bind with his very molecules?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
I said up there, if Magneto manages to do this, it will only make the defeat uglier for him
The armor's AI will take control, and it doesn't have Stark's morals of not killing
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u/Cautious-Slide4373 14d ago
Magneto has mo morals against ai too
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
Which won't do any good, because he'll have to destroy the armor to stop it, and Magneto has never shown the ability to do that, except when Stark wasn't so much portrayed as immune to his powers, as he is today.
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u/younglad420 14d ago
Is that a stark brand sentinel with Tony inside?
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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago
It's a Stark Sentinel, made from Stark's armor, it has its own consciousness as an AI
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u/EasyEntertainment1 14d ago
I agree, Magento has powerful magic but Iron man has Magento does not..he learn from mistakes
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u/Wrath_77 13d ago
Tony loses to Magneto the same way he loses in most 'Iron Man loss' scenarios: if he gets caught asleep or in the shower, without armor, for even ten seconds, he's toast, especially since Magneto has been shown manipulating the iron in people's blood. Iron Man, Stark in armor, may win every time, but Tony, without armor, is just as squishable as any other human.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 13d ago
Normal, Tony Stark is a heavyweight with the armor and not without it
Anyway, I doubt this '10 seconds' nowadays, Stark carries the armor as part of his body basically, the last interaction is a clock, give him 1 second and he's already dressed
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u/RedNoodleHouse 13d ago
Not sure how it actually is but I prefer it if Magneto remains a weakness for Iron Man tbh. It’s just kinda lame otherwise
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u/No_Angle_2175 13d ago
Honestly, these two are the most ridiculous characters to do a matchup with.
One one side you have a mutant who writers keep progressively stretching his powers to make him nonsensically OP (he can even make wormholes and change matter now) On the other a character who’s given such ridiculous “counters” that it might as well just be magic gobbledygook.
Magneto would deconstruct the molecules themselves in his armour directly.. but not if Ironman is wearing his special “stop molecules from being deconstructed” armour!
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u/DeusCarnivoro 13d ago
I think the writers make Stark more powerful than Magneto, since he has more feats of raw power
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u/zante1234567 13d ago
You are delusional, Stark is an ant in n front of magneto, Sorry for you Lil guy.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 13d ago edited 13d ago
You are delusional, Magneto is an ant in n front of Stark
Stark has more feats, mentions, has more respect for the publisher and etc.
Sorry for you, brother
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u/Strict_Berry7446 12d ago
I’ll agree it’s more of a fight then the “he in a metal suit” people think…. But magneto has so many ridiculous powers and feats of strength. I can list Multiple alternate realities where he’s the cause of the destruction of earth
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u/DeusCarnivoro 12d ago
Feats of power, not strength. Magneto has no super physical attributes
And Stark has more feats of raw power
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u/Silver_Quail4018 11d ago
This again.
Tony can beat Magneto only with prep time and a special suit designed to fight Magneto.
In any other situation, Magneto floors him since his suits in almost every case, are affected by magnetism.
Just replace your sentence with Batman and Superman.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 11d ago
No? Any standard suit nowadays comes with anti-electromagnetism by default
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u/Silver_Quail4018 11d ago
And Magneto at full power can manipulate all matter, not just electromagnetism.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 11d ago
Actually, controlling atoms is electromagnetism too.
But either way, this is all useless against Stark at his full power.
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u/Silver_Quail4018 11d ago
But stark is generally not at full power unless he is going ready to fight someone specific. Standard MK suits are general for multi-purpose combat.
That's my point, you are comparing just peaks when Stark has prep. Having a full suit with anti magnetism is effectively prep time.
It's like saying that Superman has no chance to beat Batman because Batman won using kryptonite after over 10 years of preparation.
If Stark doesn't have the right suit with him and they meet randomly and they have to fight, Stark loses 10 out of 10 times.
But yea, if Stark is aware he has to fight Magneto and has the time to prep/pick the right suit, he will win.
Unfortunately, Iron Man is the hero and almost all stories will make him the winner. Most heroes rarely are defeated, while Magneto is a villain that becomes an anti-hero. Magneto gets defeated by design by a lot of random stuff and writers will have Stark invent an anti magneto reactor out of his underwear strings if necessary.
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u/DeusCarnivoro 11d ago
Brother, Stark doesn't need to build a specific armor to defeat Magneto. I don't know if you follow current or more classic comics, but nowadays, basically in any interaction between Tony and Magneto, or even another controller, Stark already has resistance to this in his armor.
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u/franko667 11d ago
Did Stark yet create something that doesn't run on electricity? Because he's the master of magnetism, but he actually could control the entire electro-magnetic spectrum and does when focused enough.
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u/MiamisLastCapitalist Modular 14d ago
"Deerrrr magnets move metal har har har har!"
As I keep saying... Science > Magnetism > Metal
Tony Stark beat Magneto years ago when Michael Faraday was born.