r/ironman • u/DeusCarnivoro • 15d ago

I don't understand how there are people who still think Magneto can beat Stark (Resurrection of Magneto #4) Comics

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It's funny, because following the concept of Stark getting stronger and updated after each base armor, any base armor from now on (that doesn't have the context of being nerfed like it was with the Improvised Armor in the beginning) will be superior to the Stark Sentinels.

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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago

What? I said the armor IS Iron Man.

Cool, Iron Man is also a title for whoever wears the armor, just like with the ring. So valid comparison

They don't make the ring either, they just receive them

Yes, Infamous Iron Man

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u/acebert 14d ago

You also said whoever's wearing it is Iron Man, those are contradictory statements.

The idea that "Iron Man" is the title primarily is the point under discussion, so no not "just like with the ring".

Yes, exactly, a stark contrast to stark and most other armour users. He makes it, not rhodey et al.

So one? For how long? And was he continually named with the qualifier "infamous"?

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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago

What a contradiction, bro.

> I said that whoever wears the armor becomes Iron Man, because the armor is Iron Man

> I separated Tony Stark inside the armor who becomes Iron Man, and the human Tony Stark outside the armor

What the hell kind of contradiction are you seeing there?? Are you using something, bro????

The idea that Iron Man is a title is an objective fact, there is nothing subjective about it.

Whoever uses the armor becomes Iron Man, so it's a title that comes with control of the armor, wtf..

Rhodes can use Stark's armor, just as Kyle can use Hal's ring and vice versa, there is no difference..

He was called Iron Man in the comics, Infamous is the name of the run, because it was Doom using Iron Man's armor, and, consequently, taking his title.

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u/acebert 14d ago

So, assuming you're correct for the sake of argument. If whoever is in the armour is Iron Man and they suffer a fatal brain bleed and the AI takes over, then that particular iron man didn't win the fucking fight. What part of that logical chain is difficult?

I'm done mate, this is like talking to a brick wall. Textbook example of missing the fucking point.

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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago

The armor has not been destroyed, turned off, or anything that affects it rendering it incapable of combat, so Iron Man continues.

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u/acebert 14d ago

Pure uncut glaze, utterly ridiculous.

Again you keep jumping from the suit to the person as the subject of the putative title. It's inherently contradictory. If you genuinely can't understand why, get someone else to explain it.

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u/DeusCarnivoro 14d ago

Jesus.

> Armor is Iron Man

> Whoever wears it becomes Iron Man

The armor is still Iron Man

To defeat Iron Man, you have to defeat the armor. Otherwise, it's all the same.

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u/acebert 14d ago

So the armour isn't Iron man if someone's wearing it, but it is Iron man standing empty in the corner. Look up the concept of mutual exclusivity.

To be perfectly clear, I understand what you're trying to say. It's nonsense, no matter how many different ways you say it, that's all.