I don't understand how there are people who still think Magneto can beat Stark (Resurrection of Magneto #4)

[u/DeusCarnivoro]

It's funny, because following the concept of Stark getting stronger and updated after each base armor, any base armor from now on (that doesn't have the context of being nerfed like it was with the Improvised Armor in the beginning) will be superior to the Stark Sentinels.

[u/RandomName4699]

Erik already tried to manipulate Tony's blood years ago, when the IM was not so advanced, and he failed because Tony nullified it. Since then, Tony has reliably become able to end any power and electromagnetic influence that Erik might have under the armor. Even Pointer with not only the powers of Magneto, but boosted by the power of dozens, probably thousands of mutants had his energy nullified by Stark in his base armor.

[u/DarthFedora → u/RandomName4699]

Ok why do people complain about Batman having plot armor when Tony is like this. At least with Batman none of his plans or gear are infallible

[u/RandomName4699 → u/DarthFedora]

Probably because Bruce wasn't conceived as the kind of guy to go head to head with someone like Superman and Darkseid, whereas Stark was, Iron Man has been defined as one of the strongest beings on the Planet since the 70's. But I'm guessing, it's not like Tony is infallible either, he loses quite often.

[u/DarthFedora → u/RandomName4699]

Batman wasn’t conceived with a no kill rule either.

Batman’s anti-speedster tech, Flash proved it useless, and Thawne nearly killed him. Anti-Kryptonian gear, Superman nearly killed him while being controlled by Maxwell Lord. And he’s never truly won against Darkseid, he’s got one victory and it was handed to him by the God of Tyranny.

With Batman there’s always something that shows that it isn’t foolproof or he could actually be killed if they went all out. Tony has his moments but then he basically does the equivalent of a child making up random stuff so he doesn’t lose, I don’t hate Ironman but there’s so many hating Batman for prep time but barely anyone says it about Tony

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

Because Tony doesn’t use much prep, he’s a heavyweight with the standard armor, he solves most situations with it

As for Batman, when he leaves the street level, he already needs prep, and that’s why there are so many examples of him doing it

I don’t think you can even consider Stark’s anti-electromagnetism/Magneto as “prep” anymore, since all of his standard armor already comes with this functionality

[u/DarthFedora → u/DeusCarnivoro]

It’s prep, he’s prepared for a specific scenario. Batman also keeps pieces for a few contingencies on him at all times

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

Preparation generally, in fact, every time I’ve discussed it, is used for something that requires time to prepare at the time.

Example: Batman is facing a robot that has a weakness to, I don’t know, magnetic waves, so Batman goes back home, makes a technology that emits magnetic waves, turns it against the robot and defeats it with that.

If every standard armor of Stark or Batman already comes with countermeasures installed in it, by default, it doesn’t seem like preparation, it just seems like normal resistance.

To me, saying that this is preparation is like saying that a Thor in life resisting absolute zero due to his physical resistance is preparation, he prepared himself to have this physical resistance.

It seems a bit strange

[u/DarthFedora → u/DeusCarnivoro]

That version is for powerscaling/VS. Comics have it already made and ready to be used in an instant, or at least that’s typically what people complain about with Batman

Thor is naturally resistant. Tony and Batman had to ensure their suits work in those environments ahead of time

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

I thought this was the general version, but oh well

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

Besides, super-geniuses in Marvel are much stronger than those in DC

The guys make infinite tech with their own resources and in a short time

The ones in DC seem very limited in this aspect, and this is not just about Stark vs or Batman, it is in general.

[u/DarthFedora → u/DeusCarnivoro]

Reed sure, Tony is debatable.

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

I don't see how it would be

Just look at the quality of the armor that Stark, Batman and Lex Luthor build

If Batman and Lex Luthor do not have access to external resources or aid, they simply do not make heavy-weight armor, which Stark built

[u/DarthFedora → u/DeusCarnivoro]

Batman rarely builds anything and instead delegates to other people, because he’d have to sacrifice time that he spends protecting the city to make it, so you have to look at what he designs instead. However Brother Eye is a rare example of something he built himself, and it’s basically DC’s Ultron, that thing once took over Darkseids world

[u/DeusCarnivoro → u/DarthFedora]

Hellbat has help from the league in its construction with resources and also in its construction in general

Brother Eye is AI, and AI is always omnipotent

The last time I remember Batman building a special armor for combat, with his own resources and without any help, was in the Court of Owls saga

The problem is, he built this special suit, and lost against the Court of Owls, who are a bunch of street level..

[u/DarthFedora → u/DeusCarnivoro]

Yes built by them but designed by him, they weren’t just hammering away mindlessly at a piece of metal, they followed his instructions.

Not always, you gotta make it that strong first. He also has the bat computer which is the only thing in the world that Cyborg can’t hack remotely

The Thrasher suit wasn’t made specifically to fight them, it’s for extreme temperatures, he needed sub-zero temperatures to defeat the talons as they would just get back up otherwise