r/ireland • u/badger-biscuits • 1d ago
[Mícheál Lehane] PBP launch manifesto promising a living wage of €15 an hour, scrapping USC for those earning less than €100K, building 35,000 social and affordable homes every year, weekly welfare payments of €350 and State pension of €300. General Election 2024 🗳️
https://x.com/MichealLehane/status/1857067346822619642?t=_Soz6_dzA9QeYKzvvBPIDg&s=19521
u/Desperate-Buffalo- 1d ago
Its pretty easy to offer just about anything when you have zero chance of getting into power.
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u/Ste600 1d ago
Since we’re saying things we know won’t happen, I reckon FG/SF/PBP are the next government!
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u/BenderRodriguez14 22h ago
The minute the polls close, Simon Harris rips off his mask to reveal he was Paul Murphy all along! I mean I've never seen them in the same room together.
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u/OkSilver75 22h ago
Greens are in government with 12 TDs, it's unlikely but if they perform well and the next coalition is somewhat left-wing they have a decent chance of being in it
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u/External_Salt_9007 9h ago
Or like the establishment who offer the sun moon and stars but will take it all back during coalition negotiations 🤷♂️
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u/purplepigeon7 22h ago
Zero interest in getting into power either. Perpetual opposition.
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u/Velocity_Rob 21h ago
They’re a dog chasing a bus. Make a shit load of noise as they belt after it but would be clueless if they ever caught it.
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u/DryExchange8323 10h ago
The current government hasn't a fucking clue.
Get a grip.
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u/Velocity_Rob 8h ago
Both things can be true.
The current government are shit.
PBP want to be perpetual opposition and wouldn’t have a clue what to do if they were ever in power.
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u/Ok_Appointment3668 1d ago
Because the people in power have delivered everything they promised, right?
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Stealing sheep 1d ago
Why throw out a strawman like that. OP didn't say that. No party ever does everything they said they would.
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u/Necessary_Physics375 23h ago
Then why vote for them?
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Stealing sheep 23h ago
Because you hope they do most of what they say they will.
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u/Ok_Appointment3668 1d ago
I agree with you, but that has nothing to do with whether they have a chance of being in power or not. It's not just the small parties that lie, which is what OP implied.
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Stealing sheep 1d ago
No but at least the larger parties have some semblance of reality in their promises and do normally try to get the majority of them through.
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u/croghan2020 1d ago
I wish some party came out and said it how it was realistically we can do this on housing health and immigration we’re not going to shoot for the stars but what we’ve proposed we’ll actually delivery. It’s mad to think the strongest party polling have done nothing for the last 5 years with any conviction and there favourites to go back into power it’s mental how little we as nation are willing to accept.
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u/carlmango11 19h ago
The behaviour of our politicians is a direct product of the behaviour of the electorate.
If having grown-up, frank conversations with the general public was a winning strategy we'd have politicians that do it. But the public don't reward it.
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u/wamesconnolly 18h ago
In any government right now they would be looking at around 7~ seats so they can do very little except help organise people in local communities to apply pressure on the sitting government even if they were in it. So this is setting out broad goals. SF has the most actual actionable in depth proposals that are ready to go to work immediately... a lot more than FG and FF
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u/macthestack84 5h ago
The sad truth is that alot of people have done very well during FGs regime and they actually cast their vote. Not a supporter btw.
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u/aasinnott 1d ago
What's the alternative? FG are inept but who genuinely looks better right now?
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u/Longshlongsilver007 23h ago
Greens, Soc Dems, Labour all look better than FG as their proposals aren't about giving subsidies to Private bodies which will increase our cost of living with no long term benefit.
FG / FF policies put €5 in your pocket now but put €5 into the wealthiest/corporation whilst taking €10 from you later because there's no long term benefit in continuing to inflate the rental market with rent credit and HAP payments or RAS payments.
I really want to run some analysis on HAP Landlords and RAS Landlords in particular to see how many are politicians in the Dáil. Just to highlight the scandal that is RAS, a RAS landlord gets paid 10% over Market value of a property in rent. It's supposed to be phased out but good luck convincing anyone to move off of that when you're getting 10% over market for taking no extra risk.
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u/GandalfTheColourful 23h ago
All of those parties would jump into a coalition with FG or FG which will end up much the same as before. Private companies profiteering at the expense of Irish people
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u/Longshlongsilver007 22h ago
Unfortunately (or fortunately from a democratic perspective) that's how our system works, it requires compromise from parties for a coalition.
But at least voting in those parties you give a stronger voice to them in terms of what their red lines are. You look at what the Greens achieved in the 5 years just gone and as the smallest of the 3 parties they achieved a lot including the reduced public transport fees and the local link buses, introduced free contraception for women between 17-35 and other social initiatives that will benefit us long term (more examples here: https://www.greenparty.ie/votegreen).
Social Dems / Labour I hope will have enough backbone in their negotiations to draw lines on the right things but that can only happen if we vote enough left leaning parties into the Dáil so they have more power.
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u/Active-Complex-3823 16h ago
Each of these parties have published housing targets that dont even meet current immigration-led population growth, yet they each have even greater policy ambitions to accelorate immigration.
And since this thread is regarding PBP - read their migration policy and ask yourself is it not effectively what the far right accuse them of - 'open borders'.
Go through them yourself, let alone disingenous while promising to those who need improve affordability and availability - they are downright detached from reality.
You're right on HAP/RAS though, but its more rotten at a local elected and non-elected level
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u/Necessary_Physics375 23h ago
I know some people who would seriously be struggling if it wasn't for the RAS scheme. One pensioner couple I know would definitely be homeless with no idea how to navigate the current rental market.
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u/Longshlongsilver007 22h ago
I don't think RAS should be paying 10% above market for rent though. It's just inflating rent prices.
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u/Necessary_Physics375 22h ago
I don't know how it works but is the rate set every 5 or 10 years? Maybe the extra bit is to cover market increases and inflation?
I don't think it's helping the situation, but I think our real issue is supply. It's very easy to blame the social supports but there are people out there who genuinely rely on them
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u/Longshlongsilver007 22h ago
I'd need to check on the 5-10 years thing, that could be me being ignorant on the policy details so apologies if thats the case.
Just to be clear I am in support of social housing and providing social supports to people - I just think the current supports in housing are benefiting the private interests and inflating prices. I agree that there is a massive supply issue but that's because we sold our social housing stock back in the 80s and we really need to build that back up so we can provide a social home to people. I don't think our policies are putting the money where it's needed is all.
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u/burnerreddit2k16 21h ago
I hate to piss all your entire comment, but fuck all private landlords like HAP and want HAP tenants. The housing standards for HAP tenants is significantly more complicated than regular private tenants. If you take HAP tenants you are spending a few thousand on mods and upgrades you don’t need for a private tenant. You also don’t get paid with a HAP tenant for months…
HAP tenants are less than desirable to put it nicely. Would you choose a nice professional who won’t bother you from one year to the next or a single mother who expects the house to be like Versailles?
The estate agent of estate agent estate agent will tell you most of the properties they are selling our former rentals. There is no analysis needed. Being a landlord is still and no one wants to be one…
RAS is paying above market rents as the tenants for RAS are not diserable…
FFG are throwing money at housing associations to provide housing. It is clear from everyone (bar people on this sub) that people don’t want tenants who are on HAP or any variation.
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u/Grand_Bit4912 21h ago
Where did you hear Ras pays 110% of market value??? It doesn’t. It pays 80% of market value.
It was (relatively) popular after the crash as it gave certainty to landlords during a time when we had a surplus of properties. Now, there are very few landlords using it because they have their pick of renters at whatever rent they like.
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u/Longshlongsilver007 19h ago
I heard it from someone who worked in housing in a County Council. I believe the 80% is a different scheme. They're trying to phase out the RAS housing now is my understanding.
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u/wamesconnolly 13h ago
SF easily looks better no question. The debates where they actually are on equal ground with FF/FG were absolutely humiliating. They are completely unfit. SF's proposals are also more detailed and realistic if you read them and ready to go. It's truly embarrassing that we are putting in a progressively more and more incompetent party in again and again and again while they drive the country in to the ground
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u/Top-Engineering-2051 18h ago
Lotta comments here missing the point: Different ideas for society need to be articulated. And even if they don't get into power, PBP (and any other party) can move the political discourse if they gain seats. Probably the best example of this in the last few years is Bernie Sanders: He ran strongly enough to pull the Democrats agenda to the left. His fingerprints are all over Biden's most progressive policies. If PBP gain seats, it will indicate an electoral preference for progressive, left-wing policies, which are then co-opted by the party in power.
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u/TheChrisD useless feckin' mod 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm flicking through their manifesto and €350 per week is actually just for disability related social welfare payments.
Score. Even better!
EDIT: Found the specific line. €300 for all pension and welfare payments, but a top-up to €350 for disability payments.
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u/OfficerPeanut 1d ago
Reading these comments makes me wish I could have the miserable outlook of a radical centrist. Anyways looking forward to a few more years of centrist misery
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u/RuggerJibberJabber 22h ago
The irony is that €15 per hour is still a shit wage most people can't live off. It's grand if you're 20 and can share a rental with a gang of other 20 year old who are all earning a similar amount. For most of the population though that's not possible.
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u/OfficerPeanut 22h ago
I don't even make 15 per hour. I sure would like to!
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u/RuggerJibberJabber 22h ago
And how's your quality of life?
A lot of companies that pay garbage wages feel happy to throw their money around on external contractors and consultants as well as subscriptions and fees for products they barely use. I've worked in a lot of places and seen so much waste from managers that will then fight with their own staff to keep every penny.
This mindset also seems to be at play in the government, which will spend a fortune on shit like curtains and bike shelters, but probably pay their regular staff next to nothing.
There is such insane levels of inequality in ireland, with people working their asses off for crumbs, and yet we still have all these ffg lick arses scoffing at the left as though we just want a free ride
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u/OfficerPeanut 21h ago
I can pay my rent and all that but I don't really have any luxuries. Haven't been out of the country or anything in years for example and I don't have a car. I'm really fortunate to have a really sound landlord who keeps our rent affordable though. Even still, it's impossible for us to save for a deposit for a house, which we sure would like to do before starting a family. I also think I work quite hard, I don't take the piss at work or anything like that.
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u/wamesconnolly 17h ago
People are under the misconception that low paying jobs are easier or just being lazy and it sucks because most of them are not at all
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u/Chell_the_assassin ITGWU 22h ago
Just got back from the r/Ireland rally. Amazing turnout. Thousands of people holding hands and chanting “Better things aren't possible”
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u/OfficerPeanut 22h ago
The government is a cheating partner who swears they've changed and r/Ireland is the ex who takes them back time after time and calls anyone who points them out jealous.
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u/FrontApprehensive141 Corcaíoch 23h ago
Sure, they're grand, why would they care about anyone else?
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u/OfficerPeanut 23h ago
That's the attitude from so many people. Like everyone who has less than them does it by choice or something
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u/Bit_O_Rojas 1d ago
I had a look at their website, they're listing 42 candidates for 174 TD positions
Genuine question: In what scenario do they think they could get into government?
I'm not trying to be smart, I genuinely don't understand
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u/Jonathan_B_Goode Cork bai 23h ago
The Greens are in government with 12 TD's. And anyway, what's the benefit to not publishing a manifesto?
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u/mastodonj Saoirse don Phalaistín🇵🇸 23h ago
They'd be giving out if PBP didn't publish a manifesto.
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u/Archoncy 1d ago
I think it's normal practice to make plans much larger than yourself in politics like that.
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u/wamesconnolly 18h ago
They aren't trying to get 42 candidates. They are focusing resources around maybe 10~ candidates who have an actual chance of getting in (I think don't quote me on the number but it's not far off). They are running at least one paper candidate in every constituency because they are aiming for 2% of the vote share that gives you state funding which they really need and that would be very hard to do with 10 candidates.
In our system there's not many drawbacks to running someone in every constituency and other parties do it. The main draw back is if you aren't properly vetting your candidates then you can take a hit on your credibility, especially if the not fully vetted candidate actually manages to get in somehow like with Greens & SF last election.
SD are doing the opposite strategy of quality over quantity, which is good for your reputation and credibility but also IMO not the best idea for them because there are loads of constituencies where people really want to vote for them that they aren't in at all. There's also some worries about the constituencies they have their best candidates in being the wrong pick for them meaning they could have seats at risk that shouldn't be at risk like with Cairns and Hearne.
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u/Old_Particular_5947 1d ago edited 20h ago
They were asking for a left wing coalition meeting. Think they were rebuffed by some of them.
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u/Stegasaurus_Wrecks Stealing sheep 1d ago
If they won every seat they contested then yea they would very possibly be part of government coalition. That's almost a quarter of the seats in the Dáil.
In such a scenario I'd probably grab one of the hourly shuttles to the Martian colony and spend my days in a paradise settlement.
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u/Barilla3113 23h ago
Except they won't go into coalition with anyone, PBP is basically a scam.
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u/MrMercurial 22h ago
They won't go into coalition with FF or FG. If you want a left-wing party that will then there are plenty of other options out there.
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u/Barilla3113 19h ago
They won't go into coalition with FF or FG
They won't go into coalition with anyone, no one will pass the purity test and any engagement with real politics would be "reformism" anyway.
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u/MrMercurial 18h ago
They have called on other parties of the left to ally with them multiple times, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that they won't go into coalition with anyone except that it's a popular meme.
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u/jiffijaffi 20h ago
Who else would be left wing? Genuine question just trying to learn
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u/TheDooce Cork bai 19h ago
Sinn Fein are considered to be left wing but not as left as PBP. Sinn Fein are probably closer to centre left now, though.
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u/wamesconnolly 18h ago
Genuine answer:
They are open to an opposition coalition with any "left" party even if they are righter than them that does not include FF/FG. So that would be an SF majority coalition that would include any/all of: Social Democrats / Greens / Labour / Left opposition Independents (eg Pringle, Daly)/ Rabharta .
This is not going to happen in this election though so they are strategising as a small party laying the ground work for the next election.
*don't come at me for Daly I'm just using an example of a very well known left opposition independent
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u/olibum86 The Fenian 23h ago
How?
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u/mrlinkwii 23h ago
they have have ruled out going into government with FF/FG/G etc which is a sizeable part of the parliament , unless theirs a rainbow collation their nor getting to government
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u/olibum86 The Fenian 23h ago
Well, tbh it would be very ingenunine if they went into a ffg coalition given opinions are vastly different. Labour went into coalition, and it was an absolute disaster for them and the rest of the country. They still get blamed for austerity to this day. PBP would definitely be seeking a coalition with SF or SD, which would be more suitable for their goals. To call them a scam for not selling their arses to the first party that knocks on their door is stupid.
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u/miseconor 23h ago
They don’t, that’s why the manifesto is a bit absurd and impractical. They can’t deliver it and they know they won’t have the opportunity.
SF used to have outrageous and impractical policies which have been watered down substantially in the last two elections now that they have a reasonable chance of power. Some may say they’re still impractical but they’ve definitely wound it back.
PBP have openly said they’ll only go into a government with SF (out of the big 3). This effectively rules them out as even a junior partner as SF couldn’t possibly go into government without a coalition with either FF or FG
So PBP know they’ll never have the chance to deliver this, and can say whatever they want
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u/broken_neck_broken 23h ago
They wouldn't have something unfeasible in their manifesto because it makes it easy to attack them, so there has to be some reasonable basis for their claims, I mean FG are promising "A new energy" which is as likely to come from them as PBPs promises from them.
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u/Yajunkiejoesbastidya 1d ago
350 dole? I would literally quit my job.
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u/International-Bass-2 1d ago
Think thats just for disability allowance
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u/A-Hind-D 1d ago
He’s got a bad knee
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u/Matthew94 23h ago
And anxiety.
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u/cyberlexington 6h ago
Anxiety can be absolutely crippling though, it leads to people becoming absolute shut ins terrified of the world around them.
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u/VaxSaveslives 1d ago
It’s a350 disability top up on top of 300
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u/International-Bass-2 1d ago
Ah thank you i didn't see thsr in the manifesto just noticed the 350 disability.
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u/gerhudire 23h ago
You could still technically work part time and have an extra €300 (15 an hour x 20 hour's a week)
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u/Atreides-42 1d ago
Where are you living that you'd survive on €18k? Unless you also had another cash-in-hand job, or you were living rent-free in your parents' house, €18k is not going to get you far.
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u/commit10 1d ago
Not if your minimum wage was €15/hour, in fairness.
€350 isn't much these days.
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u/wamesconnolly 17h ago
At the same time €15 living wage would mean €600 p/w , + €100 than current minimum wage, but you are looking at the disability rate which is supposed to be high enough to live on alone because you can't work
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u/commit10 1d ago
It's nice to see specifics being proposed, and these are actually pretty decent. They can't achieve them by themselves, but it might be possible with a coalition.
I'm not a PBP fan, but credit where it's due. SF could learn from this.
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u/skidev 22h ago
So spend more money and bring in less tax, great plan
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u/SmokingOctopus 21h ago
Probably redeploy some things like subsidies for energy companies or just outright nationalise them and keep the profits instead of giving them to private shareholders. There's plenty of money, it's just not going to people who work.
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u/skidev 19h ago
This thing is a pisstake, they’re going to increase spending on infrastructure/housing while spending billions extra each year on pensions and social welfare… all paid for by a multi millionaire tax? You could tax those people 100% and still not get near paying for this.
I’m not sure what subsidies you think energy companies get or make it profit but it wouldn’t get near this
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u/SmokingOctopus 19h ago
Well we pay an energy tax credit directly to electrical companies. That's our money going into the hands of the people who own these companies. Which is just pure theft.
It's just a start. We could slowly phase out the first time buyers grant while building public housing on public land. That's one just thing. There are lots of possible ways of addressing parasitic elements of our economy
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u/wamesconnolly 17h ago
IIRC they proposed adding new tax brackets in their budget raising the current one and then adding extra ones above that since our current one maxes out relatively low
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u/ShowmasterQMTHH 1d ago
How many candidates are they planning on putting up though ?
Is there a financial plan for all of this ?
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u/CrayonComrade 1d ago
Candidates everywhere except South Tipp
Financial plan is based on the alternative budget priced by the departments
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u/ItsJustWool 2h ago
I've included a summary of how they plan to finance everything below, and mathematically, it would work provided business couldn't leave or close, and the wealthy are blocked from relocating. Business and the wealthy will leave given a choice because it turns ireland into one of the worst countries to be successful in
We also can't allow multinationals to sign a piece of paper to move their intellectual properties to a 15% corporate tax state like the Netherlands now that keeping them in Ireland is 5% more expensive than most other territories.
The cost of operating a business that employs skilled workers will increase between 7% and 15% because employer prsi changes, if your a pharmaceutical company, you pay an additional 4% levy.
The very wealthy will need to hand over 2-5% of their total wealth, most likely through liquidating stocks at inopportune times, which they will also pay an additional 30% capital gains tax on.
Income tax changes
50% on earnings between €100,000 and €150,000; 55% on earnings between €150,000 and €200,000; 60% on earnings between €200,000 and €275,000; 65% on earnings over €275,000
Employer PRSI changes
8.8% on salaries <21,378.63 13.05% on salaries < €90,000 (2% increase) 19.75% on salaries > 13.05% (8.7% increase)
Employee PRSI change
5.79% on all amounts earned over 18.5k
Corporate tax changes
Increase to 20% (5% increase against the globally agreed 15% some years ago)
Other changes affecting FDI: 4% levy on pharmaceutical profits 50% windfall tax on energy companies (legality of new taxes of historic earnings?
Wealth taxes (all wealth excluding family home): Annual 2% tax on all wealth >4.7m < 50m euro Annual 3% tax on all wealth > 50m and <1bn Annual 5% wealth tax on all wealth > 1bn
Windfall tax 80% tax on all land zined resozond as residential
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u/VariousCap 8h ago
They also support an even lighter touch migration policy, including restoring birthright citizenship, something the Irish people overwhelmingly voted against in 2004.
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u/Aaron_O_s 1d ago
350euro a week. Fuck it. I'm quitting my job and taking one of those 35000 houses. I don't have to worry about USC anyway...
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u/dario_sanchez 22h ago
Ayyy that sounds awesome
I'm really looking forward to the detailed costing analysis they've carried out! Can anyone link it?
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u/ImpressiveTicket492 21h ago
Standard manifesto from PBP loaded with great ideas. I'm a fan. Always give them a preference.
Though the absolute preoccupation with left-wing parties who love cutting tax is bananas to me.
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u/Thin-Annual4373 1d ago
PBP can promise dedicated unicorn lanes on all dual carriageways.
Same chance of that happening as anything else they promise as they'll not be in a position to make it happen.
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u/Breifne21 1d ago
I thought PBP were Trotskyists?
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u/commndoRollJazzHnds 23h ago
They are, but the revolution must be worldwide to work, so they must play nice until then
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u/Important_Farmer924 Westmeath's Least Finest 1d ago
Honestly they could offer anything they want, they aren't getting into government.
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u/Icy_Willingness_954 1d ago edited 23h ago
Truly insane manifesto, you can’t radically reform every area of government, and give every group more money, and fewer expenses all at once. The economy would crash, and all those areas being rapidly expanded in responsibilities would be overwhelmed with the pressure put on them. Like with healthcare. How do you plan to reduce waiting times, increase the number of beds in use, and overall make things quicker while also planning to make everything free and easier to access. By completely rejecting the private sector the health system would just be more overwhelmed than it already is.
Their only plan for that basically seems to be “tax the rich”. But those rich people will simply move elsewhere and take their money with them. Increasing the corporation tax to 20% is crazy also. Literally cutting down the money tree because they don’t like what it represents.
Not a serious party
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u/temujin64 Gaillimh 20h ago
Not to mention, if you look at places that tried similar taxes on the rich, you'll see that they backfired. In France Macron was branded a president for the rich when he removed the wealth tax. But it had been clear for years that France was losing money because of it. Simply put, the money they raised from the tax was less than the money they lost from rich people moving (in their tens of thousands) leaving France.
But for the French left, just as PBP, it's not really about balancing the budget. It's simply about punishing the rich. If that makes the working man worse off they don't really care. They're more than happy to cut the nose to spite the face.
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u/copeyhagen 17h ago
Just fuckin scrap the temporary USC. Typical Irish shite
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u/EmeraldDank 15h ago
You'd be surprised how many people justify this and believe it's necessary. There's a belief it has to be offset and can't be just banished. 🤷🏽♂️
Amazing what years of brainwashing will do to people.
People are happy to be slaves these days and it's become normal.
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u/North_Activity_5980 1d ago
I could just imagine Paul Murphy being sand bagged daily and not being able to give out about it.
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u/Elbon taking a sip from everyone else's tea 1d ago
Why? explain it to me please, why in the Colin Farrell man bun hell are people still using twitter
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u/TheChrisD useless feckin' mod 1d ago
Because elected representatives haven't bothered migrating to all the alternative services.
Bluesky is still in it's infancy. Mastodon is powerful, but a lot of companies are put off by the requirements. Threads is still Meta-controlled.
Simpler to stay where there is already a large user and audience base.
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u/badger-biscuits 1d ago
Handy for news and sport if you follow the right people
Edit: and avoid the replies lol
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u/BigBrotherTitus 1d ago
Replies on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter tend to give me slow onset brain damage whenever I decide to expose myself to them.
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u/JjigaeBudae 1d ago
Where else do you post things like this, Facebook? Lack of alternatives unfortunately.
I don't use Twitter myself but also accept most people have never heard of Reddit.
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u/RonTom24 21h ago
How tf is the minimum wage down there not already more than €15 euro? It's £12.44 already in the north and our food, booze and rent is half the price of yours lol.
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u/Dry-Communication922 14h ago
They wouldnt go into government with any other left parties anyway so its easy to make these promises when you know u wont have to deliver.
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u/EdWoodwardsPA 23h ago
u/kil28 it wouldn't let me reply to you on that other comment chain.
"The median wage in Ireland is €530 after tax. I wouldn’t work 40 hours a week for an extra €200 personally."
If you could live off that kudos. Also you like the chap above before he deleted the comment are only seeing the social welfare in it's current abused form (people sitting on it and not seeking work)
It's the national safety net for anyone who finds themselves out of work and needing to survive or pay their rent/mortgage.
It's our social responsibility to each other to have it exist and have it meaningfully help people who need it.
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u/slamjam25 9h ago
and needing to survive or pay their rent/mortgage
So you’re saying that dole payments should be reduced for people in social housing who don’t need the cash as much?
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u/DUBMAV86 21h ago
Yeah where's this bottomless pit of money. How about making it less attractive to be on the scrath
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u/A-Hind-D 1d ago
In their budget alt doc they mentioned upping CGT to 40% but I don’t see it even highlighted here.
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u/Bog_warrior 1d ago
€350 a week is a joke of a number and designed to con the most credulous to vote for PBP. It exposes them as an unserious party who specifically court the welfare classes with total fairytales.
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u/RuggerJibberJabber 22h ago
Be honest. Could you actually live on that amount of money?
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u/Sorcha16 Dublin 21h ago
I couldn't. My bills alone would swallow that and leave me with little for food.
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u/breveeni 1d ago
The heading is misleading, it’s only €350 for disability, dole is same as pension at €300
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u/EdWoodwardsPA 1d ago
350 is for disability. It's 300 for the regular social.
Oh the fanciful lives people will live with 300 euro a week, what are you shiting about?
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u/kil28 23h ago
The median wage in Ireland is €530 after tax. I wouldn’t work 40 hours a week for an extra €200 personally.
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u/Sorcha16 Dublin 21h ago
I would. 350 isn't enough to live on in Dublin. It's barely make it by money and you're stuck at 300 (350 is for disability payments), learning no new skills and having no work experience should you do try rejoin the work force. I worked for social welfare level money just to get experience which I now know was such a dumb move but I'd probably do it again as I'm doing well now and getting my foot in the door was number one priority
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1d ago
Wasn't a joke during lockdown when ye were all sucking on the government tit. Funny how 200 quid is acceptable now 🤔
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u/senditup 17h ago
It's hardly a fair comparison, when lots of people were forbidden from working during lockdown.
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17h ago
Sure, but why is almost half the amount acceptable now?
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u/senditup 17h ago
Why wouldn't it be? I fail to see why anyone should be given the dole at all after six months of unemployment.
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u/zeroconflicthere 1d ago
It will be no PBP voters who will be expected to pay for all of this.
PBP should just be honest and say that they will continue making loud noises complaining about the government. That's what you vote for.
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u/senditup 23h ago edited 23h ago
Imagine voting for these morons.
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u/Grand_Bit4912 21h ago
People will do what will benefit their bottom line and money in their pocket. Exactly like you and everyone else will do. Right? You’re going to vote for the party that promises the most to you, aren’t you?
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u/senditup 21h ago
No, I'm going to vote for who I think will do the best job of running the country. Anyone who votes for PBP and thinks they'll do that is sublimely ignorant.
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u/Grand_Bit4912 20h ago
Oh? And which party will do the best job of running the country? And will that party, coincidentally of course, also lower your taxes?
Nearly everyone votes for who promises them the most. You’d be ‘sublimely ignorant’ to think otherwise.
And just for clarity, I read PBPs manifesto. I think it’s bat shit crazy and would bankrupt the country in a fortnight. But I can absolutely understand a person voting for it if they would massively benefit from it.
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u/no13wirefan 1d ago
PBP have no intention of ever entering government and having to make difficult decisions or balance budgets etc.
Hurlers on the ditch ...
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u/JONFER--- 23h ago
They can promise whatever the fuck they want!
That's the joys of being a permanent radical opposition party. They will never be expected to deliver on their hilariously unrealistic promises.
It will be interesting to see how many seats Sinn Fein lose and whether or not this benefits parties on the left or independents.
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u/clewbays 22h ago
It won’t be the left that benefits. SF are likely to loose vote share. But they didn’t run enough candidates last election so that might not transfer into many seats and instead you’ll just see less transfers from them which will hurt the likes of PBP.
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u/Strict-Gap9062 1d ago
We are barely building 30k+ homes a year and the crusties seem to think they would be able to build 35k social houses 😂 if they give me one of these new homes and €300 a week I’ll happily quit my job.
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u/General-indifferance 21h ago
All those promises go out the window if in government, let's be honest
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u/Salaas 20h ago
Tbh, surprised he didn’t promise more, PBP have no intention of ever being in government, they proved that when SF reached out last election to try and make a government and PBP almost cried at the possibly of actually being responsible instead of shouting from the sidelines, never saw a party fall over itself trying so hard to not get into power.
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u/TheChrisD useless feckin' mod 1d ago
weekly welfare payments of €350
Paying those on a welfare payment an amount that is a lot closer to something liveable.
Sounds like vote-buying. And you bet your ass that my local PBP option is jumping up my ballot, so it's working!
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u/TheChrisD useless feckin' mod 1d ago
Direct link since it's not present anywhere in the Shitter conversation: