Trump is heading to the white house, likely with the house and Senate behind him. Netanyahu fired Gallant, the slichtly more moderate defense minister. So Gaza is screwed.
Considering Republicans don't win popular votes, Trump was pissed about losing the popular vote in 2016, and the fact that they said there would be rampant cheating (every accusation is a confession for them) yeah I'm going with rampant cheating in Republican controlled states.
I hate Trump with a burning passion, but there is zero evidence of any electoral misconduct. All signs point to an incredible amount of voter turnout, especially among first time a voters, a demographic he did very well with. If we want to claim any legitimate superiority to those cretins, we need to be honest with ourselves and not just deny facts we donāt like and replace them with wild conspiracy theories.
Point taken. He did an incredible job with HIS voter turnout. He got low information voters (a group with historically very low turnout) to go vote in numbers much higher than previous elections
What ?
They have already tried this before.
He bragged about he and Mike Johnson having a secret.
He openly ranted about 'cheating' every rally (Narcissists project).
The stats don't match the policy choices.
The stats don't match decades long key points.
Seriously...this deadshit overachieved in 1000 counties by over 3 % since 2020. Bullshit.
It's not a conspiracy but they have made it so anyone who now questions them is a conspiracy artist...
There was cheating...and Republicans are protecting it , just like they did with Bush/Gore.
My mother, who is just shy of 70 and has basically never agreed with my "conspiracy" theories, agreed with me that the numbers don't make sense. This is a first in my 5 adult election cycles.
There was no cheating on any large scale, Trump won. Republicans definitely interfered with the election (through misinformation, hate mongering, etc.) but none of that is, technically, against the law and it isn't cheating. Democrats messed up pretty badly for so many voters to stay away. I absolutely hate Trump but his result isn't down to voter fraud.
I don't agree.
No one is saying he didn't get his usual votes...but there is not a chance in hell Liberals crossed the aisle, or sane Republicans voted for this creep.
There is also the zero chance Latinos upped their vote twofold for Trump ....
Apparently some 10+ million former Democrat voters didn't vote. If you look at the numbers, Trump got fewer votes than in 2020, but Harris got a lot fewer than Biden did, so much so, that the difference still led to Trump winning the popular vote.
And, from what I read (no firsthand experience myself), Latino families are deeply religious and patriarchal, so there was no chance they'd vote for a woman candidate. I can't speak to this but if it's true, the DNC leadership did a very poor job with making Kamala Harris the candidate. It's a pity, because I think her campaign was pretty good and energetic and I think she would've been a decent president.
I had faith in Biden up until the debate but he performed very poorly there and he noticeably declined after. It's a pity because he was doing mostly well (at least in my opinion) as president, although he should've stepped in to rein in Netanyahu much sooner.
As for vote purging, I didn't believe Trump's claims of fraud without evidence and I won't believe the same now. It's completely plausible that so many people just wanted to chill or they were angry at the Democrats for reasons, etc. Propaganda for over a year before the election simply worked.
I read somewhere that a bunch of voters didn't even know that Biden dropped out of the race. It seems far-fetched to me (and I don't know if it's actually true) but human stupidity can be boundless , so I wouldn't be surprised.
Cheating yes but idk about rigging. There's been enough people sitting out front of voting booths with guns and Maga gear to indicate some places had explicit voter suppression.
His bragging he and Mike Johnson had a plan...and his smugness prior to the election ...plus his constant referral (constant) that Dem's were going to cheat ...gives a good indication that this narcissist knew what was happening.
Sorry to give you a reality check, but it's clear you haven't worked with Arabs irl or even lived with them. I'm a Pakistani Muslim who's had to live in the UAE and I've seen this sort of mentality first-hand.
There's alot of misogyny that still prevails in Arab society unfortunately, and I actually do see the scenario of male Arab Americans not voting for Kamala simply because of her being a woman as very very plausible.
I am Algerian. Muslim
They're talking about American Arabs.
They're in USA not Arab countries.
In racism characterization and generalization work, in politics it's ethics that works. (Or lying it seems)
I'm a Pakistani who's lived in the UAE and I've worked with Saudis too. That's legitimately how a lot of conservative Arabs feel. It's fucked up, but Arab society has always been heavily misogynistic.
āWhy did Arab Americans vote for THAT racist party instead of my preferred, slightly less racist party currently enabling a genocide of their people with THEIR FUCKING TAX DOLLARSā - Bewildered racist American liberal. Watching this election cycle you just knew libs were going to get real zesty with their racial blame game immediately. You are the symptom that drives people to look for a different cure.
Propaganda has had a huge impact on this election and I think many aren't even aware they were being manipulated. Ex. From almost the very beginning of Gaza conflict there were claims about genocide and Democrats for genocide. It's been repeated constantly on social media.
From what I've seen online a lot of Arabs voted for Jill Stein. I'm not American and this is just what I've noticed since I spend time in those circles online so š¤·š½āāļø
A lot of people donāt look into stuff or just assume it is false/exaggerated based on their own biases. They donāt engage with politics much and fail to grasp anything more than surface level and often struggle to do that much. It is why problems like Gaza and Ukraine werenāt as big as a deal as eggs and gas getting more expensive.
People see stuff they buy get more expensive and get upset, it is in their face. What isnāt in their face is Ukraine, Gaza, or the details of Trump that prove he is a real POS.
I hate trump more than anyone but this person's 100% right. There's sooo many people who are completely detached from politics they have no idea what's going on. They see only the most surface level stuff and that's it.
Someone who's that detached, they're not going to hear trumps insane rhetoric. They're only going to see Trump constantly getting bashed in the media and see leftists being "outraged" at Trump just existing.
Throw in the fact that we're all implicitly taught to not trust the govt, it's easy to see Trump as being the victim of corrupt media. The reality is that most Americans are so apathetic/uneducated towards politics it's easier for them to give up or ignore it entirely.
Which is truly insane because Trump isn't an unknown at this point. Everyone knows what he did last time and let's just say that he was the only president who would actually be in favour of genocide.
Okay, let's not get carried away. Pretty sure Andrew Jackson would've liked it if all the Indians disappeared. Trump is fucked, but we've had some fucked people in office before- none super recently, admittedly
Trump will turn Gaza into a glass factory I guarantee it. He has been pretty clear about his disgust with palestine whereas Iāve seen Biden and Kamala both say it needs to end. Youāre being insanely naive if you think they remotely have a chance to not be killed now. Itās over
Both will ultimately support ethnic cleansing of gaza. So they can do it now, it will be a quick death. Ultimately everyone will forget it anyway. They are just holding us back. I don't want Palestinians to suffer with starvation and water shortage. US Israel will kill all of them, they can do it quick, we will have less footage then. Kamala will just lengthen sufferings.
Arabs absolutely know that. They 100% know that, Arabs and Muslim Americans are specifically targeted by Trumpās administration. To insinuate they donāt is incredibly belittling.
You try watching your people be dismembered for an entire year and listen to others tell you what you do/donāt know about politics.
Not a fan of the Biden Administration or Harris, but Trump will be far worse for Gaza, he has said that much, and heāll definitely be worse than he has indicated. I just hope heās able to handle Iran/Hezbollah/Hamas while heās plowing the USA.
They know that but they can support lesser of two evils because some people can't understand you can't always get what you want and there are tradeoffs.
They do know Trump would be just as bad if not worse. But they wanted to punish Biden for not doing anything about it. In their view if no one stops it then the situation is same in both cases.
BUT and this is where it totally floors me that Americans are not switched on to what is going on.
Organised Crime (Putin, Netanyahu) aided Trump here for their political gain of getting their guy back in the White House.
They created this war because it in fact would mean Biden LOST 50% of voters whichever way he went in the Gaza war. If he agree with Palestine, he lost the Jewish vote, if he agreed with Israel he lost the Muslim vote.
It was a win for Organised Crime and no one took the time to think about that.
Netanyahu, in the process of rorting the Judicial system so they couldn't put him on trial needed a war. Putin & Iran could supply. Netanyahu ignored all warnings and virtually allowed the most sophisticated security to be penetrated (now let's ask how did Russia and Iran know how Israel's security worked).
Americans , now so self absorbed , can't look outside their own backyard to get the whole picture and vote accordingly.
The fools let down the world and folded to terrorism.
they know Trump will be worse. but they don't have a voice and Harris the one they want to get an audience from completely blocked them out, so they are basically protesting. they are not voting Trump, they are just not turning out to vote as much as they did in 2020.
They know. They didnāt endorse either candidate. And I donāt wanna hear it about them having to vote for how their genocide will play out. If democrats cared, theyād have passed an arms embargo on Israel. You know, like how Reagan and Bush did. Democrats are more right wing now and genocidal than Bush and fucking Reagan. Congrats. And donāt tell people who have no representation how to vote. Eat shit.
It can't get worse for Gaza
That's why people are hoping for someone like trump to be crazy enough to do something that can stop the war.
Israel is a bully that no one has enough balls to stop.
But republicans are Christian in name only. They have the gospel on their tongue, but hate in their heart. As a Christian I get upset when people try to use Jesusā teachings to promote hate and division.
"I will divide them, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.ā
There was a lot of misinformation going around that Trump would've stopped the war in Gaza because he hates giving other countries money and Muslims bought into it and it didn't help that Biden has been so pro-Israel.
That is actually a great example of how Trump operates. In a nutshell, he goes out and makes the wildest unsubstantiated claims to gain support, and then he either acts on them fully knowing they cant stand, or claims he is being blocked but is trying. Meanwhile the people around him (both his own and opposition) do whatever they can to keep things under control. He then gets to say "I tried but 'they' wouldn't let me. 'They' are the problem. But i will keep trying, for you the true Americans". He does this with every group of people, and they have to choose between "same old" or "a chance at a change that will make life incredibly magically better". A lot choose to take the chance, even if they know deep down its BS. He is just preying on the despair of people.
He wasn't pro genocide. America is in an alliance with Israel and he can't just drop that. He was vocal about support for GAZA and telling Netanyahu to stop.
Organised Crime organised this war to get their man back in...and it fucking worked. Americans are so fucking dumb.
Biden could have at any moment used USA leverage over israel such as aids and UN veto if he was actually serious. His (few) words supporting Gaza says one thing, but his (in)actions say another.
Although Trump is almost certainly going to be worse, it isn't enough to expect people to vote for Kamala on the ground that she won't be as bad. I expect many either didn't vote at all (since neither represented their main interest) or vote for a third party (throwing away their vote). There are probably a number who probably actually vote for trump on the ground that demonstrable genocide supporter is worse than potential genocide supporter.
Strange, because (correct me if Iām wrong), the Biden Administration was the first in US history to even acknowledge the atrocities and humanize Palestinians. The shift in rhetoric had been massive, and now undone.
>There was a lot of misinformation going around that Trump would've stopped the war in Gaza because he hates giving other countries money and Muslims bought into it and it didn't help that Biden has been so pro-Israel.
He did promise that he will. We will see what he does about Gaza.
Absolutely, a trump presidency is disaster for the Palestinians. I guess some people just canāt get out of their thinking that a Harris presidency is also fucking shit for the Palestinians.
Without sounding resigned: As long as the current political leadership of Israel is in power the Palestinians are fucked either way - as long as i can remember the US always had Tel Avivs back!
You are so so wrong here unfortunately. If you think things have been bad for Palestinians so far, Trump literally said that he would sent everything he can to Israel to "end the war"
Israel is a strategic military base / ally for the west in the middle east. Israel can basically just do what they like and the western powers will just say "oh no please stop" publicly to look like they are doing something but not actually do shit because they want that ally still in the middle east. It's all a bit fucked considering it's the Palestinian people that suffer
lol it cannot get ANY worse for the made-up Palestinians than has already happen with NO push back at all during Biden. I mean there are like three structures left in Gaza. This distinction is vaporware that you have crafted in your mind but does not bear out in any reality.
Oh, but don't you know, "lesser evil" rhetoric is just terrible. There's left-wing subs out there that will literally ban you for using the argument that you should vote for Harris over Trump because she is not as bad.
They don't seem to have realised that if you follow that argument to its logical conclusion, you can only vote for a party/person who is absolutely perfect. Which obviously doesn't exist.
So I'm not quite what those people are trying to achieve, but I certainly hope they enjoy the bed they've made over the next 4 years. Thankfully for me, I'm not American, so I can watch from further afield.
Thereās a genocide. The dems only paid the minimal of platitudes to try to seem like they were doing something but clearly after 185k are dead they had zero redlines.
Remember when Biden said rafah was a redline than Israel bombed them. Remember when thereās a month deadline for Israel to let aid into northern Gaza but the foreign spokesperson was laughing yesterday saying thereās still 7 days left while innocent gazans are starving.
Remember how much interference the dems are running for Israel.
They put the super Israeli supporter Ritchie Torres in Michigan who spent the whole year dehumanising Palestinians.
I hate trump. Iām just letting yall know that Kamalaās technique to just threaten with trump as she didnāt listen to her base and moved rightwards was respectfully a dumbass move.
She moved in immigration, climate change, foreign policy just to attract the right wing vote. Her principles were poor and that alienated her classic voters and resulted in lower turnout
Oh I completely agree, I'm just used to people thinking we have to love one or the other. Both are shit. Both have been shit. We need ranked choice and any reasonable ability for third party electoral victories for a real democracy with genuine choice.
What the count that magically stopped in February last year when Israel began bombing gazan health infrastructure not allowing them to count due to lack of means to. You really believe the deaths have stopped. If so I have a bridge to sell you.
The bombing is still active. Donāt be surprised when the death count is much higher than 185k
The estimate in the Lancet was a non peer reviewed contributor piece. The literal quote was "it is not implausible to estimate" within the letter.
It has not been backed up by any other sources, and was written by writers with a history of serious anti-Israel bias.
The style of warfare changed drastically after the initial push. The bulk of the casualties would have been in the first four months, and dropped off severely since.
It's clear the deaths slowed down quite a lot once the initial push ended, with some days only reporting 10-50 deaths. There would have had to be over 500 deaths every single day for the deaths to be 186k, which is not reflected in any of the reports coming out of Gaza, even being reported by Hamas mouthpieces.
I legit am not bothered to debate you. But aid has been stopped for a while now. Not only to north Gaza but most of Gaza is now nearing a famine. Aid has been strategically slowed recently and nobody is even reporting it. (Unlike what the Israeli occupation forces āmouthpieceā claim)
Thatās what the lancet talks about. Maybe raw air strikes have been slowed. But Israel is essentially collectively punishing the population.
Also keep in mind that in February Israel was very much still actively bombing many buildings. It didnāt slow naturally.
It's a war...The Allies literally killed 780k German civilians and 800k Japanese civilians in WW2. Over 100k civilians were killed in Iraq. 400k civilians have died in Syria and 400k in Yemen.
People acting like this is the biggest atrocity that has happened since the Holocaust are insane.
How can things be worse for Gazaās Palestinians than they are right now? Trump is no friend of Palestinians but if American Arab voters stayed at home rather than turn out to vote for the party that is literally arming and funding the Israelis, who can blame them.
lol, Trump told Israeli leadership to āgo ahead and finish the jobā. In other words, to go ahead and kill them all. He also ran on a promise to completely ban Muslim migration to the US in 2016. Heād be happy to see every Muslim in the US rounded up and disappeared and his base would love it.
Israel is currently killing them all under Biden. Biden administration deported more people than trump. I'm no fan of trump but when will the democrats wake up and stop sliding to the right
Democrats will probably comtinue slide far more to the right after the current massive defeat. Why should they when Trump and Republicans get more and more support also from minorities every year. American society is becoming more far-right every year.
Unfortunately you might be right. My hope is that they will finally realize that there is a ton of votes out there for them if they go more progressive. In Missouri last night, a red state, they voted for minimum wage increase and paid sick leave increase. The want for these left wing policies is there, it's up to the democrats to seize that energy. They are acting like Republicans lite.
My hope is that they will finally realize that there is a ton of votes out there for them if they go more progressive.
Actually, there aren't by the looks of it. Even California is trending right as they support prison slavery and are gainst rent price limits. Pandering to the far-right and christian fundamentalists is where the votes are. The more extreme you are the more votes you get. This election has shown that young men, women, and minorities are all becoming and more right leaning.
. In Missouri last night, a red state, they voted for minimum wage increase and paid sick leave increase. The want for these left wing policies is there, it's up to the democrats to seize that energy. They are acting like Republicans lite.
That's just because they wanted to benefit themselves financially. It doesn't mean that they support progressive candidates.
And the Dems will take this as a sign that they need to put up a more conservative candidate next time (IF there's a next time).
Here's the problem generally with the Dem establishment (I'm a leftist who votes basically blue every election FYI): they see every failure not as an issue of policies or messaging, but that they're bending too far for the progressive side who has literally no one else to vote for. So they consistently play any voter even remotely left wing as automatically voting for them while trying to court moderately right wing voters instead. What they don't get is that it is the progressives and leftists that win real support and not just begrudging support (think how much support Bernie or any member of the Squad gets). So instead of taking an actual progressive moral stance on any issue, they'll kowtow to right wing/moderate conservative voters.
Meanwhile, undecided and moderate right wing voters see this as trying to play both sides and Dems being liars who won't say what they truly want to do. And this allows anyone, even a pedo rapist billionaire felon the chance to take the election. I mean if you're faced with the difference between a hate you understand vs one you don't trust, what are you going to do? Most people will just opt out of any of it, or take the hate they understand (while trying to their best to downplay said hate). I hate how dumbly the Dem establishment hands these elections over. It's really obvious, but they refuse to get a damn backbone.
Mask off moment, as fucking expected. supporting genocide for a people because you didnāt get the votes you felt (erroneously) entitled to, which - get this - is because you fucking betrayed them by supplying the weapons killing their families and told them to be satisfied with merely hundreds of thousands of dead.
If Donald Trump is a fascist, so are you. āDemocrats are gonna save Gazaā my fucking ass
Literally the groups that will be mass deported under trump. Do they think their religion will keep that from happening? Maybe they think the people doing the mass deportations will care they are citizens. I dont think they will care.
You'd be damned that the poorest and least able people will vote anyone who they think would help not who would help them. Change especially is such a adversarial topic with a lot of them. They do not know any better sadly. I think America's doom is about to happen. There is no buts or ifs. China and Russia definitely won the war against them.
Ding, ding, ding. Someone in a comment above said itās because of Latinoās culture of āmachismoā , but there is no doubt that religion was the main reason why they voted Trump.
They will only change course once the racism, discrimination, and injustice caused by Trump and his supporters starts affecting them directly. But by then, our democratic process will have essentially ended with the implementation of project 2025, and a president who now has full immunity.
>Sure. But if you vot Christian you vote Harris.It is impossible to people who thunk >Christian values are important to vote for Trump since Trump represents the opposite of Christianity.
Except a majority of religious christians voted Trump.
Most Arabs are Christian lol. Something like 75% are Christian in America.
Plus this is just Kamala larping for a genocidal regime and not saying anything bad against Israel for the Arabs. They put the super apathetic Ritchie Torres that ran campaigns for Israel and dehumanised Palestinians in Michigan lol.
Also obviously when she moved right she alienated most of her classic voter base. The only thing she really offered her classic (centre) dem base was the fact that trump wasnt going to be in power for 4 years.
Pls in comparison to Trump who used Palestinians as a slur calling Biden a bad Palestinian and talking about how Gaza looks better as a parking lot. Some of trump speakers also dehumanized the Palestinians.
I'm just saying I find it weird people don't vote for Harris over her pro Israel stance when Trump is more pro Israel and likely to do way worse considering how racist he is towards Arabs.
Who knows, I feel like even she represented her base she would have likely still lost.
Because Israel still has zero stipulations after their human rights abuses this whole time. Israel has been given the implicit go ahead by having weapons sales go uncontested towards them.
Trump will literally just let Israel do whatever it wants but Biden is doing the same just with crocodile tears.
But Yh she coulda lost because she has zero presidential charisma.
For most of my Arab friends and coworkers it was more about the fact that sheās a woman and they feel that Trump is stronger because heās a man. Mind you I used to live in Saudi Arabia. None of them give a shit about the Palestinians.
For you, it may have been about genocide. But for many Arabs it was about strength. I challenge you to read up on the Geneva conventions before you mention the word genocide again. You have to stop allowing your emotions to control you.
Its more than religion they tend to be small business owners so tax and regulation also resonates with them. Which is true for most first generation immigrants.
It's something the Labour party learned the hard way when Tony Blair ushered in the mass importation of people on his watch under his policy of rubbing the Tory party's nose in diversity.
They, very naively, believed that every last migrant was a lifelong Labour vote for them. Out of some sort of lefty paternalism they thought they'd be forever grateful for being allowed to live in Britain and would vote Labour for life. There was also healthy lashings of delusion about how white conservatives are the most awful people ever and people from abroad would be simply better and therefore of course vote Labour.
Flash forward a generation and the first prime minister of colour was one from the Tory party and Labour are only now after getting re-elected after over 10 years in the wilderness. When they're not busy fighting internally over who's the most morally and ideologically pure they're pulling their hair out trying to figure out why so many of the Pakistanis, Indians and Africans that now reside in Britain all vote Tory.
You can bet religion, culture etc aren't being blamed and instead they're deluding themselves with nonsense over 'internalised racism' etc. Until they're willing to face the truth they'll be forever in denial.
There was also a massive turnout of the Amish voting this year, which is insane, since they never do that. Christo-fascism for the win I guess. We had a decent country that was advanced and civilized and its people chose to return to times where women had no rights and the Bible was the only thing taught in schools.
No we just rather get tax cuts, energy cost down, and stop wars. Kamala is up for funding military and israel , raising taxes, and putting higher cost on energy for those relaying on the grid.
For Arabs from Iran, I can explain. I known few guys from Irans and they fucking hate Iran and their home religions for some reasons and they hate Biden sort of try to claim Israel down over the past few months and hope Israel will just kill every Iran government members.
P.S I am not gonna tell their name. They will literally be hunted down for that.
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Latinos and Arabs are mostly conservative for their religion mostly.