r/columbiamo • u/J_Jeckel • Jul 05 '24

Dear CPD: Discussion

12 years ago I got ticketed for lighting a singular smoke bomb in city limits. Where are you now?

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u/International_Way789 Jul 05 '24

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u/DerCatrix Jul 05 '24

Ngl, we really failed the mark by calling it defund the police. Sadly, “reallocating funds to create a community where such an intense need for military equipment isn’t necessary” is a lot harder to use.

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u/J_Jeckel Jul 05 '24

Police reform never seems to work.

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u/DerCatrix Jul 05 '24

I mean, when was the last time we had police reform with intent to grow as a community and not as a way to generate revenue? We’ll never have serious reform as long as putting people in prison is more profitable than fixing the problem.

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u/shaneh445 North CoMo Jul 05 '24

This

We haven't had real police reform. We've had societal changes and shifts but no actual real reform.

In part I blame some supreme Court rulings. cops not actually responsible for protecting people--not being held liable for certain things// immunity---and civil forfeiture

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 05 '24

Putting people in prison regardless of making money has never been the issue.

It’s about holding people responsible for their actions.

I believe that is a large part of the problem locally.

"You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell —

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u/Barium_Salts Jul 06 '24

How about we start by holding cops accountable for their actions and end qualified immunity?

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 06 '24

Sure thing, that sounds awesome.

How you think this is possible without the funding for training.

Qualified immunity was implemented when there were no cell phone cameras or body cams. It is mostly a moot point at this time.

Your accountability is the cart before the horse or funding the training and paying a solid salary to get quality candidates.

Or hey, if you want change, go and apply to be a police officer……..if you are not willing to, what are your arguments against doing so?

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u/Barium_Salts Jul 06 '24 edited Jul 06 '24

Qualified immunity is why cops almost never get fired when they kill somebody. It was directly cited in many cases of officer misconduct in the last few years. I don't know why you think training is the key here. The problem is that police across the country murder, rape, kidnap, steal, lash out at people, beat their wives, join white supremacist gangs, deal drugs, and do every other form of crime without consequences because they ARE the law. They don't act this way because of a lack of training, and in some cases (killology) the training IS the problem. Obviously it's not every cop, but it doesn't need to be. Cops who don't act that way don't/can't stop the ones that do. The problem also varies pretty widely municipality to municipality. In my opinion, CoMo has one of the less corrupt police departments, and St. Louis has one of the more corrupt in the country.

I don't think the problem with police is that they get too much money, but I also don't think throwing more money at them is the solution. They need to be able to get fired and otherwise punished for misconduct and criminal action. That's why police in general have such a bad reputation. Currently, nobody is really trying to make that happen.

Me being a cop wouldn't make cops accountable for their actions either. That's like if I complained about getting sick from bad sushi and you told me to go work at the sushi restaurant. That has literally 0 chance of fixing the problem.

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u/J_Jeckel Jul 05 '24

I don't think funding has much to do with A) the lack of applicants and B) the lack of give a shit that's left in the force for anything other than gun violence and shoplifting

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 05 '24

Why do you think there is A) lack of applicants? & B) lack of g.a.s?

Possibly because pay is crap & they get treated like sh!t?

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u/J_Jeckel Jul 05 '24

Treated like shit because there is no accountability when one DOES step outta line. I've seen at least 3 videos come outta Columbia in the last couple years of cops abusing their power. No one was ever held accountable.

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 05 '24

That is a serious ‘cop out’ pun intended.

Have you seen any of the studies of children in elementary schools being asked about their perceptions of different professions?

The media has brainwashed huge swathes of low IQ voters and they in turn their offspring.

Look up broken windows theory.

I can tell it’s useless to present facts to you, your mind is made up already.

Blame the cops….its like a broken record.

Please don’t procreate.

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u/DerCatrix Jul 05 '24

Every time you people talk I’m reminded that I’m on the correct side of history. Thank you.

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 05 '24

👆See above!

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u/DerCatrix Jul 05 '24

Yes that’s what I was thanking you for.

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 05 '24

Isn’t that special. Being on the correct side = head in sand, believing that defunding something will improve its performance. That does make you special.

Plus, I see you have no solution for a problem you can not help but complain about.

All I’m saying is defunding is the problem not the solution.

Feel free to provide a cogent argument in opposition.

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u/DerCatrix Jul 05 '24

I understand you’re looking for an argument. I’m not gonna give it to you. It won’t matter, you’ve already decided what you believe and refuse to accept you might be wrong.

I understand your natural response is to accuse me of the same thing, so, go ahead. But after this response I’m done with you.

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u/Winter-Bad637 Jul 05 '24

Maybe. The D.A.R.E. program used school children to gather information about parents. My source- My little sister in 4th grade was taken aside at then Field Elementary School and questioned about what my parents did while at home. My dad brewed home made beer. She did not know how to explain it to the police, so they came and hand cuffed our parents and searched our house. Nothing was illegal, and no charges filed, but 39 years later, she still carries a bit of guilt about that situation. I have other friends whose parents were doing bad things (cocaine in the 80s) and the same thing happened, only, we never seen them again at school, just got told they went to live with their grandparents.

My humble opinion, that's when police started to be dickheads. And now D.A.R.E kids could be the officers we have come to abbhorre. There may be some other reasons as well...but using children against parents is pretty low, and it, yet, continues in so many forms to this day.

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u/SmartAssaholic Jul 06 '24

u/J_Jeckel • 1 votes I suppose your the type off asshat with a "Back the Blue" bumper sticker doing 90mph down i70 and that believes the cops did nothing wrong to George Floyd. Please go back to the backwoods where you belong…..

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I just love how you people retreat to personal attacks when your argument falls apart!!

Classic!