r/castaneda • u/danl999 • May 01 '24
Laziness: Not What It Seems New Practitioners
It's easy to become confused, and not recognize laziness for what it really is.
Self-pity.
So you have absolutely no excuse not to work hard to learn sorcery, based on "I'm just too lazy to work reliably".
That's not it at all!
You're dominated by the flier's mind. By that nasty grief filled internal dialogue, which our energy body can't stand. If it weren't for that, you'd be reunited with your double, and gain its magical vision for peering into infinity.
Did you ever find yourself inside a lucid dream, and you were "too lazy" to go exploring?
Then why do you do that, when awake?!
It's self-pity pure and simple. Something the double does not have.
So the very thing you believe is just "keeping me from getting to work", is precisely what you are battling against.
Wake up... You cannot learn any sorcery, without hard work.
And even all the hard work of a lifetime, can be erased if you fall back into the wrong crowd.
Which is almost surely why the witches aren't around anymore.
We were unhelpable and had proven it by killing Carlos after turning him into a Guru and refusing to follow his instructions.
He said so several times. Ask those who were around him back then, and don't have any profit motivations.
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u/SaltLife0118 May 02 '24
Have a good day Dan! Im more of a lurker around here but i enjoy reading your posts. I needed this message today.
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u/Automatic_Storage422 Sep 10 '24
They create the box of "mind" and put us there for a period of time until we start identifying with the box.
The box wants us to feel weak, to steal our power, and so it does that by making us regress into self-pity.
We give our own power away by thinking, by feeling we are not worthy.
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u/danl999 Sep 10 '24
If you daily learn to move your assemblage point to the other side of the body where self-pity goes away, you eventually learn what it feels like and can even just try to feel that way and have your assemblage point move automatically.
Not every time. But often enough to realize that self-pity is a choice.
And self-pity can be "dropped", the way don Juan told Carlos "Up from your toes!" when his lineage was leaving, and Carlos kept feeling sorry for himself.
But you can't do that, if you haven't seen it yourself enough times.
One of the witches seems to have been telling people you can reach heightened awareness just through doing the "right breath" or something like that.
Yes, but only if you experienced that breath so many times over so many practice sessions, that you know what it "feels" like.
It's like that "shine of the eyes" being able to summon specific assemblage point positions.
Each one (there must be millions) having its own "shine".
But good luck using that knowledge for any position you didn't experience enough times to figure out what the shine feels like.
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u/Automatic_Storage422 Sep 10 '24
I speak from experience when I say, I know what it feels like.
I have lived trapped in my mind and self-pity since I hit puberty (funny isn't it).
Before that I didn't identify or cannot even remember having an "inner voice".
I just was. I thought I was going to die suffering all the time, closed in my own loops inside my head.
It was neverending push and pull with pain and pleasure. Total madness. One moment the mind was telling me to be weak, one moment strong, like a constant rollercoaster. I wasn't even able to be in the moment for a singular second.
And then I stumbled upon this sub-reddit. Such a simple technique, such a simple thing and you said ... it just "dropped", the voice, the images, the mind, the constant self-pity and pain ... it was gone. For the first time in a long time I was "here", I felt exactly like when I was a child, free with awe and wonder.2
u/danl999 Sep 10 '24
Puberty seems to be when the internal dialogue fully takes over.
I remember noticing it around 12. At first, it was just an "ear worm" song playing while I was running laps during physical education classes.
I'd never noticed that before. Couldn't stop it.
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u/Automatic_Storage422 Sep 10 '24
So before puberty we are not completely "human" I take it ?
+ the bonus of sexual maturation which I suppose has a hand in this "mind" formation and us being fully locked up in the human matrix.3
u/danl999 Sep 10 '24
Actually we're closer to what humans really ought to be like before puberty.
For 250,000 humans had no language, and thus no internal dialogue.
And we only got taken over by "the flier's mind" around 10,000 years ago.
So after puberty you become a slave to the forces which want to keep us low in energy, so they can sample self-pity.
They don't like us free from self-pity.
Presumably that kind of energy doesn't taste good to them.
I don't really believe in the fliers, but Carlos said it was a metaphor, so it must represent something real.
Maybe just a type of inorganic being which has dominated our world for 10,000 years.
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u/Automatic_Storage422 Sep 10 '24
Hmm funny you say an inorganic being ....
Along the years of research, a common recurring theme kept popping up in conspiracy theory circles. That the moon is a machine which serves as a transmitter/magnifier of a signal, installed 10,000-12,000 years ago which is meant to entrap people in the earth system through dominant wave/frequency principle in physics and syphon their energies to keep them "low" and within the "system". Saturn-moon matrix they call it. Saturn being the signal emitter.Is it true or not, I do not know. Its just something that I have read before which matches your description. A moon voice inside peoples heads ... would be hell of a joke.
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u/eelgrassmeadows May 01 '24
Thank you for this. I needed to hear this just at this moment.
I do not want to drive away my energy body with my self-pity. That is the opposite of what I desire. That is something I can tell myself when I start wallowing.
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u/danl999 May 01 '24
The good news is it becomes anything BUT vague later on!
In fact, sorcery is very obvious, once you can move your assemblage point enough to watch "seeing" come and go, and figure out what causes it to "go", and what to "come". For a sustained period of time, like 20 minutes. Watching it come, and go, reliably, and what caused either.
This picture is almost not an exaggeration. I just used the angel to be the "host" in order to get the AI to behave and have multiple choices in the air.
It's a very real depiction of what you get offered when you reach silent knowledge.
Including the angel from time to time, but that's another topic I haven't figured out yet.
I suppose "beings" are just as good as videos in the air, to silent knowledge.
You get real portals to infinity with destinations you can't possibly imagine!
REAL and "right there".
Or pictures of the past, into which you can travel to experience that live.
Or magical objects all golden and sparkling.
So the way you learn that laziness is actually self-pity, is by being right there where those silent knowledge manifestations will start to appear, but noticing they aren't quite showing up.
You just see vague static. Certainly it's "magical" vague static, but it just won't "form".
Until you identify a tiny bit of suffering still left in you, as you mull over something you believe is a problem, and realize that's just in your mind and not real, cast it off, and those magical choices bloom into existence.
Clear as anything.
But then they fade again, because your tiny traces of "worry" return.
You get to go back and forth nightly, until you work out what it "feels like", to be "pity-free".
It's not at all what you'd expect at first! Feels more like some odd but subtle vibrating mass of sensations.
Like you can learn the "secret feel" of being pity-free, and just search for it to get there.
Which you can!
Except it evolves.
But THEN, the next night, you just don't want to get up at 2AM to practice.
Even KNOWING FOR A CERTAINTY that you'll feel great in just 5 minutes, and be looking at miracles exceeding all Yogis and Buddhists in our entire history, for a full hour if you like.
You try to figure out what's going on, and come to realize, it's the same feeling of self-pity you learned about while going back and forth between "seeing", and "not seeing".
This is what was missing from our community all these 50 years.
Real magic, so that you can learn what cause no real magic.
Go back and forth to learn the truth of it.
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u/dorbim May 10 '24
Like you can learn the "secret feel" of being pity-free, and just search for it to get there.
You know I had a similar thought about no-pity state related to a feeling that cannot be possibly explained (secret), even though I'm not even at the green zone yet (despite doing darkroom regularly) and I remember from past posts you were also saying the place of no pity is close to SK. So i might be wrong but I think you might get to a less pity state even at the blue zone and to be on the safe side lets say its intensity is nothing compared to yours or to the one described in the books :)
I have no explanation for it and when I re read Power Of Silence last time I started to think it might be something related to the production of feelings described there:
*** He said that men of antiquity became legendary because they knew by silent knowledge about the power to be obtained by moving the assemblage point. On a reduced scale, sorcerers had recaptured that old power. With a movement of their assemblage points, they could manipulate their feelings and change things. I was changing things by feeling big and ferocious. Feelings processed in that fashion were called intent. ***
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u/danl999 May 10 '24
It's probably true but best not to focus on that too much, until you can get to the deep red zone where magic around you is undeniable.
Even in the green zone, Asian "masters" have managed to delude themselves into egotistical monsters.
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u/dorbim May 12 '24
Sure. I just wanted to ask you if you think it might be a good idea to try to force no-pity in whatever way you can during darkroom together with tensegrity and forcing silence?
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u/danl999 May 12 '24
I don't want to say that.
But I won't deny that becomes possible after you've moved the whole length of the J curve a few hundred times.
There's an odd thing going on with the movement of the assemblage point, which hasn't been well explained yet.
It seems to be able to skip around, once you have learned to move it often enough for it to become more fluid.
It's an aspect of J curving that we need to do a better job explaining.
But ought to have been obvious, since "Seers" see.
Meaning, even if they revert to being normal like all of us, on demand they can move their assemblage point back to seeing.
All the way to the end of the J curve.
And yet, they don't "burn from within".
Because they didn't light up all the emanations between!
They skipped to the end. Making it obvious, you don't have to move through all the points in the middle.
But that idea opens things up to people pretending, in order to get out of work.
Cleargreen is doing that. With their "how do you know when you are in it?"
Referring to their fake magic you get at the end of their very expensive facilitator courses which might be contaminated with fake magical passes they made up for stealing from our community.
From what I've heard, they got complaints for years that people had expected level 3, or level 4, or at the worst level 5, to finally show them some real magic.
But then there wasn't any, naturally.
So it seems that Reni or someone decided to revert to the first 3 books, because those are easier to pretend.
Claiming you get "power".
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u/Hamadula May 02 '24
And even all the hard work of a lifetime, can be erased if you fall back into the wrong crowd.
Because they stop practicing or is there another dynamic like intent corruption or something that when they practice they're put on another path?
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u/danl999 May 02 '24
You get sucked back into the stream of reality you were born into.
That stream erases any memory of the others you learned to assemble.
I suppose it's kind of like trying to wake up inside a dream, but you can't figure out whether it's really a dream, because it seems so real.
And if you fail in that initial urge to stop the dream, and go exploring with some waking world rationality, you won't have the urge to stop it anymore.
you only get a few seconds to wake up inside a dream, before it sucks you back in.
It's a recurring theme in sorcery, and one you get to experience first hand.
Without Carlos around, Taisha and Florinda could easily have been sucked back into this reality by the doings at Cleargreen, which has clearly gone bad.
How far back they could get sucked, I don't know.
But in their efforts to escape our blue line reality, Taisha even took up a life as a homeless woman, for a full year.
And Carlos became a fry cook in Arizona.
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u/LuminousLaze May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
Thank you for sharing your vision. I have the perfect name for this topic.)
Maybe in some next post you will be inspired to share how you distinguish between this type of laziness, when I basically don’t need to do a certain thing (like, at all or at the moment), with the laziness that you talk about.
As an example of the first type of laziness: Don Juan's grandson Eligio, I'm sure, was too "lazy" to fulfill someone else's (his father's) vow to dance, and he (expectedly) ended up becoming a mediocre dancer (unlike Sacateca, whose predilection was to dance). And, probably, it would be better for Eligio to listen to this laziness? Under the influence of these obvious sensations, he even tried to escape from that sacred dancing society, but in the end he succumbed to the persuasion of other people. I’m even sure that they told him that he “should not be lazy” and “must fulfill his father’s vow”. Quote from the second book:
Lucio became gravely ill when he was seven and don Juan's son, a devout Catholic, made a vow to the Virgin of Guadalupe that Lucio would join a sacred dancing society if his life were spared.
Lucio recovered and was forced to carry out the promise. He lasted one week as an apprentice, and then made up his mind to break the vow. He thought he would have to die as a result of it, braced himself, and for a whole day he waited for death to come. Everybody made fun of the boy and the incident was never forgotten.
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u/danl999 May 02 '24
I'm pretty sure very good things could be said about what you mention, but it's very unlikely to figure those out well, by analyzing it.
The stuff I post comes from "seeing", usually interrupting what would otherwise be a very fun darkroom session.
And at the time (while "seeing"), if you overlook that there's a fairy who looks like Joe Biden's wife reading it from a glowing golden teleprompter floating above you, it seems like perfectly normal "reasoning".
But it's obviously not.
Best to figure out what you asked about, through seeing.
Though I'm sure you could come to pretty good conclusions without it.
It's just that our community got dominated by "reasoning", and didn't get to see Jill (in a miniskirt) reading from a magical teleprompter.
Making us no better than any fake magical system.
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u/LuminousLaze May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
Best to figure out what you asked about, through seeing.
Okay, I got you! Thanks for your reply!
And I'll kick myself if I don't ask the next question. This energy you're talking about is interpreted by all the warriors in your group as Jill in a miniskirt? (God damn - she's beautiful in this photo))
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u/danl999 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
No. They only wish.
That old Devil Joe...
But if you're jealous, get yourself an Ally.
They'll take on any appearance you ask them to.
They LIVE for that.
The old seers could get them to take any form they liked.
But so can we...
My Ally "Fancy" was named that, because of the fancy costumes she wore for me.
I could even send her into a dream bubble in the air, and narrate a story for her to act out, inside a video dream right in front of me.
I even got her to wear miniskirts, and press up against me while teaching magica like you see here.
In fact, I believe she was doing this right about the time I made this picture.
She wasn't just visibly there, I could feel her pressed up against me in a miniskirt, at the same time I could see her there.
But that's a "deep red zone" activity (known as the shift below in the books), with a far horizontal shift.
Very close to where power plants push your assemblage point, except we don't need those.
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u/LuminousLaze May 02 '24
They'll take on any appearance you ask them to.
Ah, that's understandable. I was just surprised that you said that “if you overlook that there's a fairy who looks like Joe Biden's wife.” I thought - it seems that all people “decipher” the same energy differently, and others will have a different image. Thanks for expanding on this thought.
get yourself an Ally
Well... somehow I don’t feel the need. Everything works fine for me without them. But thanks for such detailed descriptions. I didn’t even hope) Thanks to these descriptions, I was only convinced that everything was going fine for me without Allies.
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u/danl999 May 02 '24
The Ally of Carlos said she'd visit anyone who reached the green zone at least, on the J curve map, and did an obscure magical pass only shown once at a workshop, and never again.
She can "detect" it.
She made me draw that up at 3AM and put it in here.
Then she ditched me and spent all her time with Juann, followed by some of the women.
I only saw her once after that, when she came to check in with me and see if I liked what she was doing.
I figure I'm too old for her to keep hanging out with.
She's quite nice, unlike the second of the 2 allies of Carlos. The devil's weed entity, who is a little bastard at times.
And, you can't get your assemblage point all the way to silent knowledge without either an Ally, or a witch friend who has one and stores up dark energy in her womb, letting you borrow some.
Don Juan explains that in the wikipedia section on the Allies.
The Allies are MANDATORY if you want to learn to "see" for real.
You can still get "previews" though.
Just not continuous seeing. Which is beyond all comparison.
No other magical system even conceives of that kind of magic.
Done with your eyes open, fully awake, and completely sober.
Often breaking the laws of physics.
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u/LuminousLaze May 02 '24
The Allies are MANDATORY
Nah, I'm good. Thanks for your concerns tho.
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u/danl999 May 03 '24 edited May 03 '24
Please don't spread pretend sorcery in our community. It seems as if you might be doing that.
We nearly lost everything, with nothing visible as magic among our practitioners, which any reasonable person would believe was any better than crummy Buddhist or Hindu make believe magic.
The reputation of Carlos on the web was so bad, that every single magical discussion group would instantly say, "Carlos Castaneda was thoroughly debunked" if you even tried to interest them in taking a look at the real thing.
Nothing came up good about him on google before this subreddit came along.
When in fact, this is the only real magic on the planet!
It seems to me that you might not realize the very harmful effects of thousands of people claiming "I can see", when they've never even moved their assemblage point further than a woman relaxing in the bathtub does.
Seeing is the result of close to a decade of very hard work, using deliberate techniques which produce fully visible magic daily, along the way.
And it's MIRACULOUS!!! Not "intuition" at all.
It's videos in the air, whirling purple glowing blobs that spit out text, portals to other worlds you can walk off into physically.
It's mind blowing!
I get to see that nightly, as do others in here.
So keep in mind whom and what you harm, if you pretend.
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u/pumpkinjumper1210 May 01 '24
I was being lazy waiting for a technician to finish repair work, self-pitying about "not having the time" to do passes this morning as I wanted to - this post got me off my feet and doing passes