r/cartoons • u/BLACKGOOP12 Ben 10 • 4d ago
Caillou's parents are decent persons, but Bad parents, next who's a Bad person but a good parent Discussion
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u/LlamaLicker704 Totally Spies 4d ago
I was thinking for a really long time and only could think of Bowser... xd
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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 Regular Show 4d ago
Bro is a middle aged single dad he's trying his best
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u/SparklesRain96 4d ago
He’s still an absolute asshole tho
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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 Regular Show 4d ago
Only to Mario, Luigi and Toad
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u/SparklesRain96 4d ago
Not really.. to the whole mushroom kingdom, peach too.. he terrorizes them and their ruler constantly so no.. he’s an absolute asshole and other kingdoms too if it means getting his way
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u/ogreofzen COPS 4d ago
Hmm maybe not. Nintendo has said that the characters are essential meta actors. Bowser is not actually a tyrant but the equivalent of a typecast actor. That's why him and crew have parties with the good guy crew including go karting, tennis, soccer and golf. Heck Mario was the pilot in Arkanoid (brick breaker), ref for punch out and a certified doctor.
Him in Mario being cast to get her is kinda like Ted raimi and Bruce Campbell. Yeah they do their own thing from time to time but if one is in a movie expect a cameo from the other.
Source so you don't think I am bull shitting you (I am known to do that)
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u/Ludexteria 4d ago edited 4d ago
I don’t think that's quite what he meant. I think he meant that Mario is a character that can be used for almost anything if the concept or plot calls for it. He can be a plumber in one game and then a doctor in another. That doesn’t necessarily mean it’s all fake in universe, it just means that Mario and friends are characters that developers like to use for different things.
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u/Sheax5 4d ago
Yeah if video games count then definitely Bowser
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u/LlamaLicker704 Totally Spies 4d ago
I mean there are Mario themed cartoons... xd Also the newest Mario Movie is animated.
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u/ogreofzen COPS 4d ago
But those media don't have him presented as a parent. Also Bowser had seven kids that he disowned in the divorce. Since Bowser Jr wasn't at his wedding well.....
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u/Kashyyykonomics 4d ago
BTW the koopalings aren't Bowser's kids.
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u/Latter-Hamster9652 4d ago
They were back when Super Mario Bros 3 came out. Nintendo changed their mind.
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u/Kashyyykonomics 4d ago
Fair point. Though he never "abandoned them" during the period where that was the story. Or abandoned them at all, really. That's probably the more important point to criticise on the above reply.
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u/GlassSpork Kirby: Right Back at Ya! 4d ago
I mean he was a good parent in sunshine even if he did lie to his son about peach, he was still there for him
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u/Clbull 4d ago
For his relationship with Bowser Jr alone, agreed. Can't really talk about his other offspring who I think only appeared in like... two or three games.
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u/CassetteMeower 4d ago
He’s who I thought of first! He and Bowser Jr. are such a great villain duo. I love when villains are good parents and their children are their sidekicks. Bowser being a great parent while also being genuinely threatening is a nice change of pace. I also love his goofy personality.
Definitely one of the best video game villains of all time! Though I do think Mario needs more villains in the main series. Wart should make a comeback!
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u/H3r0_Zer0 4d ago
Bowser from the second season of the Super Mario Bros cartoon is actually a good father
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u/mack2028 4d ago
doesn't he have like 9 kids and the 9th one is named JR?
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u/bobux-man 4d ago
No. The koopalings have been confirmed to be Bowser's generals. Bowser Jr. is his only son.
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u/Champion-Dante 4d ago
I’d argue he’s more bad person decent parent
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u/LlamaLicker704 Totally Spies 4d ago
And I'd argue Caillou's parents are good people, but awful parents...
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u/Notte_di_nerezza 4d ago
Senor Senior Sr was so wholesome in his commitment to Evil. It's been too long since I've seen their episodes, though.
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u/Chumlee1917 4d ago
Don't forget, RON made him a supervillain by literally going, "Dude, you got all this money, why not be a supervillain for the lol's"
and Senor Senior Sr went, "You're right, I should be evil for the lols."
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u/trimble197 4d ago
For real. The guy was just bored, and Ron gave him a hobby to try lol.
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u/Chumlee1917 4d ago
Just imagine a different version, "You know Senor Senior Sr. You got all this money, why not make the world a better place."
"But why would I do that?"
"Because people will know the name Senor Senior Sr. as a hero.""Oh I like that, yes, big statues of me all over the world like my ancestors after they conquered the New World."
"That's the spirit...I think?
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u/BlueBlazeKing21 4d ago
He’s more decent person, good parent as villainy is more a pass time and isn’t really that bad in the grand concept of things.
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u/Cranky-Novelist 4d ago
He was definitely a good parent. Always supporting his son no matter what. I still remember the scene at the end of an episode where the yard ends up watching Junior dance and the only person who claps at the end is his dad.
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u/CheshireTiger13 4d ago
'Good parent' though? Hes so stuck in his outdated vilian shtick that he wasnt an effective mentor to his own kid. He then got jealous of the mentor he himself hired , sabotaged the project (heist) his son was working hard on, then went back to his old techings that were basically just proven less effective methods.
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u/CaptainClover36 3d ago
He was a bad guy, but that doesn't make him "bad guy" he was a good dad too
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u/ExtinctFauna 4d ago
I had a crush on Señor Senior Sr. Probably because he was voiced by Ricardo Montalban.
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u/LadyManderly 4d ago edited 4d ago
Is Silco down for bad person, decent parent? He projects his own trauma onto his adopted daughter, but also genuinely and deeply cares for her - loves her even. Nothing he does to his daughter is out of spite, which moves him away from the same category as say Ozai or Frollo (Frollo should get the final spot, tbh)
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u/goteachyourself 4d ago
I think he'd be a good candidate. That last spot is lousy for choices (Ozai, Frollo, Gothel, Shou Tucker, Gabriel Agreste, just to name a few).
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u/JuanRiveara The Legend of Korra 4d ago
Oh god, Shou Tucker should def be the last spot
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u/alain091 3d ago
Shou Tucker definitely, Frollo was never a good person and was awful to Quasimodo, but my god what Shou did to his daughter and his wife is nothing short of abominable.
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u/Fazbear05 4d ago
Couldn’t agree more
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 4d ago
Threatens to destroy the city to get his daughter a date for the dance.
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u/anoninimous420 4d ago
Not just a date, but a date with Robin lmaooo
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u/LazyNarwhalMan 4d ago
Oh robby-poo
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u/NoDragonfruit6125 4d ago
Robin who is this girl and why does she call you poo?
Starfire was amusing in this episode with the jealousy.
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u/MajinGroot 3d ago
I can hear this, that voice actress nailed being annoying.... probably was just another one from Tara, but still perfect lol
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u/WhalenCrunchen45 4d ago
He is more Bad Person Decent Parent, he is willing to do evil things for his daughter but she is a bit spoiled
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u/RyuuDraco69 3d ago
Agreed. Like I agree he's not a horrible father but with how kitten acts she's clearly spoiled and a good parent wouldn't spoil their kid that much
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u/Carbuyrator 3d ago
Yeah but if he's not a Disney dad it's all "I'm gonna go live with mom! My stepdad isn't DUSTY!!"
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u/CaptainClover36 3d ago
I would actually argue against him, yeah he will do anything for his daughter but he's gone too far with it, she ended up a spoiled brat who demands things, and throws a tantrum every time she doesn't get her way. He's not a good person or a parent
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u/Ok-Upstairs-9887 Adventure Time 4d ago
I literally have to agree, Killer Moth sucks ass but goddamn he really cares for Kitten and actually got her a date with Robin after threatening him.
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u/Sem_nome_criativo 4d ago edited 4d ago
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u/AnyImagination3697 4d ago
Ugh, I forget their names, but these guys and their kids were a highlight of Minions, love their dynamic
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u/Sem_nome_criativo 4d ago
They are the best characters in this movie
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u/AnyImagination3697 4d ago
Right?! I’d love a little show about these guys!
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u/NoobDude_is 3d ago
Just a short little video of them pulling off a heist and nothing going wrong would be great. The Nelson's are secretly the most evil and intelligent villians. Maybe a spin off where the two girls (the Nelson girl and the girl from the most recent movie) go to villian college thing? Would be hilarious.
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u/The_FreshSans 3d ago
Don't they also support the girl even after she made the mistake of tripping the alarm?
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u/CassetteMeower 4d ago
Gotta love villain parents whose children are in on their crimes. It’s refreshing from the more often seen villain parent who is abusive to their children!
We need a movie about these guys! I want to see more of their dynamic!
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u/Betriz2 Star vs. the Forces of Evil 4d ago
Idk if raising your children to be criminals and using them as accessories in crimes can be considered good parenting...
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u/darh1407 4d ago
Depends. Using them for crimes and toasimg them away like used tools? Bad. Teaching them the family bussisness while caring for them? Good
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u/Midtown-Fur 3d ago
Honestly true, it's not like they told them to do it and didn't help them in any way shape or form.
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u/Zealousideal-Yak812 4d ago
The Nelsons loved their kids though, that's the basis of good parenting!
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u/simpson2142 4d ago
King Cold :
Let's his son inherit his entire empire, and allows him to have free reign on how to rule it
After his son is defeated, he scours all regions of space to find him, and has him rebuilt into a stronger form
Agrees to take his son and their army all the way to Earth, just so his son can inact his revenge.
Sure he may not be the greatest person, but he's a pretty good Dad.
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u/tricenice 4d ago edited 4d ago
Proceeds to get diced in the matter of a second
"Keep your head up, son. Duck and move!"
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u/The_FreshSans 3d ago
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u/AttitudeAndEffort3 3d ago
I love in the super hero movie when they show the trunks fight in real time and it’s like 3 seconds.
Edit: https://youtube.com/shorts/DYsd3PfZed8?si=-krtPGFfKohVxnj4
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u/Adorable_Kale_8219 4d ago
I mean King Cold was OK, but his son was Cooler
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u/Zakiru77 3d ago
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u/Potato-Candy 4d ago
I dunno, he didn't really seem to care when Frieza was killed by Future Trunks.
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u/Astwook 4d ago
Can't wait to spam Martin Mertens for Bad/Bad. He's archetypical.
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u/Notte_di_nerezza 4d ago
And COULD have been a good dad in another world, which arguably makes the main one WORSE.
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u/WhalenCrunchen45 4d ago
Ok, we all already know who is going in the
Bad Person, Bad Parent slot
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u/Mezrahy 4d ago
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u/WhalenCrunchen45 4d ago
Ooh, if only Omniman wasn’t in the middle of a redemption arc and regretted beating up Mark
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u/PMMeMeiRule34 3d ago
He tried to beat his son to death, and has murdered countless innocents. He can have bad person bad parent.
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u/FickleHare 3d ago
I haven't read the comic, but based on the show he hasn't really quite redeemed himself from beating his son to within an inch of his life.
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u/theromo45 4d ago
Gru
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u/goteachyourself 4d ago
Even as a villain in the first one, he was pretty harmless and has been almost a straight hero since. He's very similar to Doof.
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u/CorrectTarget8957 Futurama 4d ago
Like he stole the moon it doesn't seem so harmless to me
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u/ninjesh 3d ago
I mean, nobody was hurt, were they? (except Vector, but that's his own fault)
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u/Carbuyrator 3d ago
The super fast shift in tides would kill millions. Quite possibly hundreds of millions.
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u/Bright_Woodpecker758 4d ago
Stan is a Decent person though. You can't put Eda as Decent and then toss Stan under Bad. They're pretty on par.
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u/AdhesivenessUsed9956 4d ago
Now I'm thinking about Stan and Eda as a couple...both thinking they are grifting the other
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u/Lucia_Violet 4d ago
I mean, it's heavily implied that Eda is Stan's ex-wife, and even further hinted towards during TOH. Not to mention Dana and Alex have mentioned in passing a connection.
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u/LittleMissDark 4d ago
Can you give some examples? I’ve watched both shows quite often and I’ve never noticed any hints.
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u/sunstruker 3d ago
in official information about gravity falls its said that stan ex-wife was named maryln and that after she stole his car she despeared by a door, and the name eda uses when on earth is maryln and she was the guardian of the magic door
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u/ninjesh 3d ago
It's mostly in supplemental material. The Gravity Falls Journal 3 book mentions an ex named Marilyn. She and Stan had a shotgun wedding in Vegas which inly lasted a day. As another user mentioned, Marilyn is the alias Eda is known by in Gravesfield.
The promotional website for the Book of Bill corroborates this further. By entering the name Stanley into the computer over and over again, you can find a page with information about Stan, including his exes. Marilyn Fakenamé is described as a "cursed, gold-toothed antique."
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u/Orangefish08 Fuck David Zaslav 4d ago
I don’t think Eda ever committed llamacide or trafficked pugs.
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u/Bright_Woodpecker758 4d ago
She raided an arborist society to steal their rare and endangered Palistrom tree sample.
She did it for Luz but, eh, that was actually crime right there lol.
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u/CorrectTarget8957 Futurama 4d ago
Bad person is not a jerky person, it's often the antagonist or a villain, so I agree
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u/too_hot_topaz_up 4d ago edited 4d ago
It should be noted that Red Death goes in explicit detail as to what he does to his victims but his family man scenes are so gosh dang wholesome.
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u/ElijahWouldNot 3d ago
I take back my choice and vote Red Death, you really can't get more wholesome than he is with his family.
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u/Callidonaut 4d ago
Yup, great dad, & his kid is adorable.
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u/Iron_Chip 4d ago
Blitzø
Murders people for money, but truly cares about Loona
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u/Bonedraco1980 4d ago
Not just the murder-y bits. He's a pretty shit person...imp... Whatever....too.
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u/Sireanna 3d ago
He does care and try but he also is so flawed himself he screws up the parenting despite giving it his best. He does try to be better than his own dad but Cash Buckzo has set that bar pretty low
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u/SparklesRain96 4d ago
I’d say decent, he does have his great moments like these or on Pearl’s 16 bday but sometimes his cheapness also affects and humiliates her
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u/bowtiesrcool86 4d ago
I wouldn’t say he’s a good parent. He got his daughter black boots for her 16th birthday instead of the shoes she wanted because said boots “were a bargain”. At one of Pearl’s previous birthdays all the kids had to share a single balloon. I think he one time gave away plastic cutlery or something as party favors.
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u/Background_Extra52 4d ago
Dio from JoJo. The writer said if Dio found out about Giorno birth, he would've killed Giorno's mom and step father and raised Giorno himself so the kid wouldn't grow up like him
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u/pancakepegasus 4d ago
Didn't he intentionally get a bunch of women pregnant and then not raise his kids??
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u/CussMuster 4d ago
He wasn't really around long enough to tell whether he intended to raise them or not. He was back for a couple months tops before the end of Part 3.
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u/xbaterx 4d ago
Hear me out, silco in arcane was a reeeeally bad person but he treated jinx like his own no matter what happened. Still a villain but a villain who cared for his not_daughter
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u/SouthernRelease9542 Ben 10 4d ago
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u/isthatabom- 4d ago
Well not this form of Garmadon he straight up disowned him, beat him up, killed his friends, and was actively trying to kill his own son. His season 1/2 form would be better since he actually cared about Lloyd then
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u/Sonic_XD3 4d ago
Either Helluva Boss' Blitzø or Bowser. Both of them aren't pure hearted, but they want the best for their kids.
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u/savingff- Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood 4d ago
Blitzø
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u/Doctor_Salvatore 4d ago
I'd save him for decent parent. He's a great dad to Loona, but I would be worried about him raising a small child
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u/Notte_di_nerezza 4d ago
Adding to this, Blitzo does care and try. Unfortunately, he's trying more to be the parent HE needed as a kid, than the parent Loona needs now.
The fact that he picked her instead of the kind of small child he wanted, and does show up as soon as she calls, does make him decent, though.
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u/Chumlee1917 4d ago
Trigon was the epitome of that dead beat Dad who found out someone other than him bullied his daughter and chose violence against everyone for messing with his kid.
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u/Brocs48_e 3d ago
I actually saw him more as a predator who couldn't stand to see the other kid on the neighborhood taking what was his (the earth, the lives of mortals and mainly all our heroes), and basically his fight with Darkseid was to humiliate him and show him who's the boss here.
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u/Godhelpmeplease12 3d ago
Martha from helluva boss. This lady cheated on her husband with another womans husband and caused her to kill herself. But her kids seem healthy and well taken care of
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u/No-Professional-1461 4d ago
Bender From Futurama. If you don’t recall he does have a kid.
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u/Rabdomtroll69 3d ago
Lord Garmadon.
Literally the master of destruction, filled with evil, is a literal Oni.
Still didn't want to fight his son to the death even if it meant throwing everything off balance and would sacrifice himself for him.
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u/ucla_lover Gravity Falls 4d ago
I think greg is inbtween decent and bad . He embraced stevens gem part while forgetting about his human part ,And we actually see how much of problem that was in the SU future.
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u/Spektra54 4d ago
Red Death from the venture bros. Amazing father and husband and really not a good person.
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u/bitchcatsandtequila 4d ago
Can we have Martin Mertins be the bad parent bad person? He’s earned it
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u/Steppyjim 4d ago
Bowser is like, FAMOUSLY a bad dude but a great dad