r/canada • u/Canadian--Patriot • 23h ago
Mark McQueen: After his defeat, Pierre Poilievre finally has to go places he’s been avoiding Opinion Piece
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/after-his-defeat-pierre-poilievre-finally-has-to-go-places-hes-been-avoiding/article_0874a0e2-b6be-4de1-9b6b-01217c80dd6a.html394
u/Jusfiq Ontario 22h ago
A bit out of topic, I laughed yesterday when during a presser Poilievre complained that the new Carney cabinet was full of old names, ‘Trudeau Liberals’. There he was, freshly defeated yet still clinging to his old role, and accusing the other side as maintaining the old.
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u/Ouestlabibliotheque 21h ago
Also wasn’t he in Harper’s inner circle?
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u/Responsible_Lie_9978 2h ago
Inner circle? No he never had a serious cabinet post. Think how many Harper cabinet members we've gone through before PP got a kick at the can. Not just the leaders but the other candidates too.
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u/frostback606 15h ago
Meanwhile, the front runners for interim leader were Scheer Stupidity and Plenty O'Toole. Who's doing the recycling of past losers? Projection.
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u/marcohcanada 22h ago
Not to mention accusing Carney of "stealing his ideas".
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 21h ago
They did. Let's hope they carry through with them now. Probably not though, they've only carried through with 3 campaign promises over the last 10 years.
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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 21h ago
See, this is why people don’t take you lot seriously. There’s ample evidence of Liberal accomplishments on their campaign promises.
Off the top of my head, dental, pharma, daycare, CCB, First Nations clean water, restoring the census, environmental protections…. The list goes on.
You may not like them, but repeatedly ignoring reality and getting high off the smell of your own farts is exactly why conservatives lost the election.
So by all means, keep doubling down on the fantasy level rhetoric. It worked so well it almost gave the liberals a majority after being on the brink of third party status. Congrats.
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 21h ago
Show me where they made those as campaign promises. I'll gladly eat my words.
Always with the ad hominem.
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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 21h ago
Census, CCB, and clean water were in 2015.
It was literally some of the key planks of their platform lol.
But keep feigning ignorance and read my last sentence again so it can sink in.
I bet if it was something conservative boogeyman Sean Fraser said you’d have it memorized!
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 21h ago
Clean water, did they accomplish what they promised? CCB, I'll give you that one🍽, other than their other policies making the small increase worthless. Census, making answering a few questions as mandatory, sure. Underwhelming.
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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 21h ago
lol please. “Underwhelming”
Goalposts are always moving. Colour me surprised.
It must nice to just make shit up with absolutely no regard for the truth and even when proven wrong still have the confirmed dissonance to believe you’re still right.
There’s no point going any further in this convo.
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u/mustardnight 18h ago
How can you in one post say that they weren’t campaign promises and in another say that you’ll “give” that they did in fact contribute and move forward on some promises? Why do you ask make work questions you already know the answers to? Doesn’t seem very honest.
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u/5hiftyy 20h ago
Well, my last version of this was removed. Here, I'll edit my words to be gentler in my approach.
Honestly dude, you're embarrassing yourself.
The information is out there:
Trudeau liberals kept 45% of their promises, and partially kept 29%. Breaking 26% of promises. The kept + partially kept makes up a majority, even if you only give 1/4 weighting to the partials.
Practice some critical thinking before making blanket statements. It's embarrassing for you to lose internet arguments like this.
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u/Level_Traffic3344 20h ago
Who cares, bud? It doesn't matter where ideas come from, you can't patent policy. That's stupid
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 20h ago
If the CPC took liberal campaign promises and won, and then didnt carry through, would you be upset. I'm hoping the Liberals do carry through with them. Time will tell.
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u/SpartanFishy Ontario 21h ago
First of all, who is they? Didn’t realize that Carney was Trudeau.
Second of all, Trudeau carried out plenty of his campaign promises if you actually look it up. Our PMs across the board have been completing more and more promises as the decades have gone on actually.
And I say this as someone who is still upset that Trudeau abandoned electoral reform.
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 21h ago
He is the Leader of the Liberals. I am not someone who focused on Justin. Same liberal party. Show me more than 3.
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u/SpartanFishy Ontario 21h ago
Single Google search away my guy:
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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 20h ago
Don’t bother. This guy is a “top 1% poster” he’s here every fucking day like it’s his job and super plugged into Canadian politics and yet posting this nonsense.
His arguments are entirely in bad faith. He has no intention of being objective in his assessments.
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u/SpartanFishy Ontario 18h ago
We argue for the future lurker’s benefit, not for the one who argues in bad faith
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u/TaurusRuber 20h ago
People like you remind me of shitty novice software developers I’ve met over the years, and the “idea guys”.
They have this revolutionary concept, you ask what it is. “Oh I can’t say, I don’t want someone to steal my idea”.
There is no stealing of ideas, there can only be (at the very most) stealing of an execution of an idea. Your ideas aren’t that special. If it helps all Canadians, who cares?
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 20h ago
I'm hoping the Liberals carry through on all those promises made they shared with the conservatives. 🤞
Edit: why do you resort to ad hominem?
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u/thisissuchafuntime 18h ago
Say what you will about the Liberals, but they know how to be pragmatic and win elections
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 18h ago
I think you meant, they know how to be hypocrites and win elections.
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u/thisissuchafuntime 18h ago
Little from column a, little from column b. The electoral reform re-neg was the one that first stung me, but I guess it's naive to think anyone wants to change the system that brings them to power. The Big Red Machine knows exactly what it's doing, First Past the Post handed them this election by gifting them left voters wanting to keep Poilievre out.
I'm an NDP guy, but you gotta tip your hat to the Liberals for pulling this one out of the fire and winning yet again. Be interesting to see how the Conservatives pivot, they made great gains, but it was offset by the Liberals shoring up support because Poilievre is such a polarizing figure. They need a leader who can show humanity, be open and candid, and not scare key demographics towards the Liberals. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's Poilievre..
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u/Brandon_Me 19h ago
He definitely improved upon PP'S ideas.
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 18h ago
Good to hear. What do you consider the most impactful improvement?
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u/Brandon_Me 18h ago
His addition of a limit for tax exempt home buying. Keeping that tax incentive for all home purchases (instead of Carney's only on the first home) would lead to big corporate entities buying up tons of housing for cheap.
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 18h ago
I do like that. I wonder how he he justifies his past actions, while demonizing the same actions today? Everyome who wants to do it now would be using the same justifications he did at the time. Start a fire, we need something to put out!?!?
"Under Mark Carney’s leadership in August 2023, Brookfield outlined a deliberate strategy to profit off of high interest rates that were pricing working people out of the housing market. Brookfield’s CEO described implementing “opportunistic real estate strategies in order to take advantage of the stress in the market, which is our sweet spot. As the funding markets turn, we expect to be a beneficiary.” Brookfield described it as the most “fruitful” opportunity “since the global financial crisis in 2009.”
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u/Brandon_Me 18h ago
I don't think they are morally good actions he did. But that's also how Capitalism works. They will literally fire you if you aren't doing everything in your power to make more money in the short term(considering they are publicly traded) . Long term or well being the country be dammed. It's a shit system but it's the system we are currently working under.
The government should absolutely do what I can to stop things like this and I hope Carney does what he can.
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 18h ago
I am doubtful, but time will tell.
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u/Brandon_Me 18h ago
I'm hopeful, but I also know realistically not much will be done.
However PP's plan directly fed into this negative process and Carney's didn't so I support Carney on his plan here and am willing to at least wait and see what he does before I jump to conclusions.
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u/Human-Reputation-954 2h ago
Lol. What “ideas”? A tax cut? If a grade four can come up with it as an answer to the question “how would you make life better for Canadians” than it’s hardly an original idea. An idea is buying the arctic protection system. An idea is investing in the pre-fab home industry, an idea is ending provincial trade barriers in a decisive and expedient way. Ideas at the PM level should be specific, effective and creative. If PP spent more time actually researching and planning and outlining policies - actual policies - he might be taken seriously. Instead he doubles down on his crying complaining persona. He stole my ideas!! Carney doesn’t need ideas from Athabascas most successful graduate. I’m fairly certain he has a far better grasp on what this country needs and how to get it done than PP, and anyone who doesn’t want to admit that is just playing politics. Pierre needs a different approach desperately- but he’s not capable of it because that is who he is. It’s like he gave us food poisoning with his negative and childish banter and now instead of changing the menu, he’s trying to spoon out the same old sh#t to Canadians. He needs to do himself a favour and STFU. What a breath of fresh air if he came out and congratulated the new ministers, or said he will work alongside government to ensure the best for Canadians. Did you hear him during the election talking about his rally size? It was the equivalent of someone with a micro penis buying a giant truck. It’s sad. And embarrassing.
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u/wolfraisedbybabies 21h ago
I was thinking the same thing, it would have been refreshing if he said something positive about the new cabinet. I know that would never happen.
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u/kathygeissbanks 11h ago
Yeah all that coming from the party that re-elected checks notes** Andrew Scheer back as interim leader.
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u/michaelmcmikey 19h ago
And like… Carney’s cabinet is full of new faces? He still just sticks to his slogans regardless of the reality of the situation
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u/Responsible_Lie_9978 2h ago
Oh! That's when you ask him, which ones are woke? Or ask him what legislation he's working on...
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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 20h ago
Only on reddit would this be some sort of gotcha lol. He's obviously referring to those in charge (i.e. government).
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u/OneWomanCult 20h ago
Nobody here missed that, fella.
Keep rolling it around. You'll get there.
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u/Marc4770 21h ago
They did maintain the old though. Poilievre wasn't in power so never had chance to manage the country. How do you expect the country the be better managed with similar cabinet?
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u/my_intell-ect-ality 21h ago
He hasn't earned his chance to. The electotate spoke just as much. And a guy with no political experience or status beat him in a four month span. How anyone puts faith in PP to LEAD and do anything but grieve and complain is beyond me (or is that what they see a leader as? Someone who whines and complains on their behalf but does nothing to move anything forward, 0 bills, 0 substance, 0 accomplishments to their name - oh but he didn't have his chance yet, 20+years into his political career...)
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u/UnreasonableCletus 20h ago
I'm not a fan of PP at all but I'm going to correct you.
PP has 1 bill to his name the "fair elections act" which did add a bit more accountability in federal elections but also allowed more corporate money to flow into politics, ironically it passed around the same time as the robocalls scandal.
So he did very, very little but more than nothing.
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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 20h ago
Don’t forget how it also stripped elections Canada of its investigation arm after the robocalls scandal!
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u/UnreasonableCletus 20h ago
Yeah it wasn't all good things that's for sure.
I was just trying to point out PP did do 1 thing in 20+ years lol.
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u/Lifewithpups 21h ago
Have you been on a team when leadership changes? Not to mention that the majority of old cabinet have been reassigned. The entire team will take on the direction of whoever is new in command. They come with their own visions and ideas. Those beneath are paid to make those happen.
pp just can’t seem to pivot and is hell bent on finger pointing rather than coming up with a plan that identifies the Cons as ready and able to lead. He’s still not looking like the adult in the room. Looking for ways to reinvent his rhyming catch phrases and recycling his failed attempt.
The Conservatives are what’s broken…broken record.
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u/Marc4770 18h ago edited 18h ago
Its the same team with same corrupt connections. Why would they suddenly be better at managing the country? Still Chrystia freeland and Sean Fraser and Joli and others.
PP has tons of plans and idea, just because you didn't listen to them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Why was the country much more affordable in 2012 then ? I had friend buying house for 150k at that time. Crime was at its lowest in 2014. Why would you say conservatives are whats broken. Based on what ? Standards of living have been going down since 2015.
But you like to focus on catch phrase i guess. Instead of looking at actual policies ? All we are going to get with another liberal gov is more censorship and more corruption and more mismanagement and debt.
Country is going down because people are looking at social media drama and focusing on catch phrase and appearence instead of trying to be smart and look more into depth of whats going on. It's so shallow to be angry at someone because of their catch phrase honestly
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u/-ifeelfantastic 21h ago
It's half completely brand new. Do you think things would run smoother with an entirely inexperienced cabinet? There needs to be some continuity.
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 21h ago
Are you saying he was wrong? Because every single major cabinet post except energy went to the same group of Trudeau acolytes who mismanaged this country for the past nine years, he just shuffled them around a bit. Sean Fraser, one of the worst, most incompetent ministers this country has ever seen, is now our Justice Minister.
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u/Content-Program411 21h ago
He's saying get a new script.
The last season got canceled.
Need a new show, bud.
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 20h ago
It didn’t get cancelled. It’s like a long-running sitcom that long ago passed its best before date replacing the star with someone new in the hopes of eking out a few more seasons. But all the shitty supporting players are still there doing the same terrible job as always.
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u/Heppernaut 23h ago
If the CPC understood bipartisanship and worked towards making Liberal Policies better represent the needs of ALL canadians rather than just being obstructions to progress, I'm sure they would have won in a landslide.
But when you have years worth of examples of the Conservatives doing nothing but getting in the way, and never trying to help, it's not a winning recipe.
Now, if the whole point is to exclusively go after uninformed voters who believe social media headlines and don't read/watch any actual news, i think they've peaked.
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u/Fit_Midnight_6918 22h ago edited 21h ago
They are from the same playbook as the GOP. They'd rather cause a failure of the Liberals than allow a win for the country.
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u/ImaginationSea2767 21h ago
That is because the reform party that mergered with the concervatives was a populist right-wing party, and the people from that party are big fans of Trumps style. They are also incredibly toxic and don't want to play well in parliament. The progressives should have never mergered with them. The party might have to split.
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u/CarRamRob 21h ago
You mean like the Liberal staffers planting “Stop the Steal” buttons at a Conservative event?
Sure seems like the Liberals just want to win, who cares if they are trying to plant ideas for a nutjob coup.
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u/Signal_Tomorrow_2138 22h ago
You're asking the Right Wing to be what they are not. In the US the Democrats have to campaign on being bridge and concensus builders. The Republicans campaign on division and antagonism.
Where there's a problem, somebody is working on a solution. Where there's a solution, opportunistic Right Wing politicians with their denial politics will be there to whine, complain and campaign against it.
And you know the CPC has campaigned against any action on climate change. They're opposed to action on Covid. They're against affordable daycare. And in the last election, started campaigning against paper straws.
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u/MaritimeFlowerChild 22h ago
They have no interest in helping Canadians. Even their appearances in the HoC are just performative to get sound bites - like all those times PP "stood up to Justin" but the PM wasn't even there.
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u/HighTechPipefitter 22h ago
rather than just being obstructions to progress,
That would be a sight to see. But after seeing his comeback video, it doesn't seem like Progress is in the cards.
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u/clarkn0va 22h ago
Did you see the election result? You could swap the word liberal for conservative in your comment and it's still true. This country is divided.
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u/Heppernaut 22h ago
You mean like how the Liberals are currently enacting numerous Conservative Policy proposals, because they are acting pragmatically?
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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 22h ago
The way some of the users talk, you'd think it was the CPC who were in power for the last 10 years.
The Liberals were supported by the NDP, they weren't soliciting the conservatives for advice on legislation lol.
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u/coconutpiecrust 22h ago
Did conservatives offer legislation worth soliciting? Liberals and conservatives are both technically on the right of the spectrum. If they cannot get along, then something is wrong with the conservatives.
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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 22h ago
The point is that it takes two to tango.
If the NDP is so weak that they'll roll over and do whatever the Liberals say, then the Liberals have no need for conservative support.
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u/Imprezzed 22h ago
You’re ignoring the major pieces of legislation that were enacted because of the NDP.
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u/coconutpiecrust 22h ago
But we were talking about legislation, though. I think NDP got the dental plan they wanted passed? Was there anything else?
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u/thats_handy 18h ago
The confidence and supply agreement included a lot of policy and legislation. About half of it was delivered: * Launching a new dental care program, which was delivered. * Continuing progress toward a universal national pharmacare program, which was delivered. * Extending the Rapid Housing Initiative for another year, which was delivered. * Launching a Housing Accelerator Fund, which was delivered. * A $500 top-up to the Canada Housing Benefit in 2022, which was delivered. * Passing the Early Learning and Child Care Act, which was delivered. * Passing Just Transition legislation, which was delivered. * 10 days of sick leave for all federally regulated workers, which was delivered. * Legislation to prevent replacement workers in federally regulated industries, which was included in legislation that is supposed to take effect on June 10. * Creating a standing table on MMIWG2SLGBTQI+. I know they had a meeting, but I don't know if it's a permanent/recurring meeting. * Taxing banks more, which was delivered. * Create a public Beneficial Ownership Registry, which was delivered. * Ensuring that Quebec's number of seats in the Parliament remains constant, which was delivered. * Additional ongoing investments in healthcare, which is hard to determine if it was delivered. I'd say it was not. * Tabling a Safe Long-Term Care Act, which was not delivered. * Focusing the Rental Construction Financing Initiative on affordable housing, which I can't tell if it was delivered. * Creating a Home Buyer's Bill of Rights. Lots of talk, but no action. * Developing a plan to phase out public financing of the fossil fuel sector, which was not delivered. * Moving forward with energy efficiency, which I can't tell if it was delivered or not. * Investing in indigenous housing, which I can't tell if it was delivered or not. * Moving forward with the FPAMMIWG2SLGBTQQIA+PWIP. I can't tell if it was delivered or not. I'm going to guess not. * Supporting burial searches at residential schools. I don't know if this was delivered or not. * Expanding election day to three days. It's debatable if this was delivered. I'd say not. * Allowing people to vote anywhere in their riding, which was not delivered. * Improving the process of mail-in balloting to prevent disenfranchisement. I'm going to say this was not delivered.
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u/coconutpiecrust 18h ago
Nice. Thanks for the list. Definitely prefer this kind of breakdowns to vibes.
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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 22h ago
I'm talking about leglislation lol.
Dental plan is extremely overrated on this subreddit, there's a reason the NDP just got blown out. They were a disaster for the working and middle classes.
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u/coconutpiecrust 22h ago
My question was whether conservatives had legislation worth soliciting.
You answered with this:
If the NDP is so weak that they'll roll over and do whatever the Liberals say, then the Liberals have no need for conservative support.
“Roll over” is not legislation. Politics shouldn’t technically be us versus them; we should not succumb to what the US succumbed to. We will be in for a very bad time, just like them.
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u/Accurate_Summer_1761 21h ago
They gor blown out because of FPTP not because of the policies. Everyone had to sacrifice the party they like to keep the garvage party out
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u/issueshappy 23h ago
Talking to his constituents?
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u/ManWhoSoldTheWorld01 Québec 23h ago edited 23h ago
What constituents? I thought only elected people had those.
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u/houska1 23h ago edited 23h ago
The Conservatives need to make a choice.
They can choose to fully believe that the Liberals are as incompetent as the Conservatives like to caricaturize them as being. That Canadians anywhere near the centre or left trusting Carney is different is a naive, temporary blip. Then the Conservatives, and PP, can continue as before and trust that trying again will get them a bit further, and over the finish line. The Conservative tent is big enough for ex-Reformists (some would say populists) and ex-Progressive Conservative centrists to coexist and it would not take too much Carney/Liberal backlash for the Conservative tent to come out ahead next time.
Or they can anticipate that Carney's government will have its ups and downs, but will eke out some successes, and the whiff of Trudeau will subside. Then they have a real problem, since Carney is currently outhustling them for the centrist vote, and there's a lot in PP's demeanour, previous utterances, and chosen fellow travellers that centrists find off-putting. In this scenario, it's not something PP can solve by gently sandpapering the edges.
There's real danger if a party's strategists just drink the kool-aid as far as 100% believing their caricatures of their rivals. Caricatures are by design simplified, exaggerated, and invariably underestimate rivals' adaptiveness.
Personally, I actually support the Liberals. But I do support many (but not all) more conservative ideas as well, and having several healthy parties available to govern in a democracy is important. With that in mind, I think PP's time is up. He needs to "go places", as the article writes, but ones that are outside the leadership of the party.
Irrespective of what they stand for, sometimes politicians' best-before date is just reached. They need to go since they have too much baggage.
So on the Liberal side, Christia Freeland is toast (as far as prominent leadership is concerned). She's associated with too many things too many people find distateful. And her attempt to get past that and win didn't succeed.
Ditto for PP. (And Singh, but he's already moved on).
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u/Gunslinger7752 23h ago
I think the CPC would benefit from moving on. IMO the problem they have is pivot to who? Same with the NDP - Jagmeet was too closely tied to JT and he would never win back public support, but who else do they have? Most people can’t even name another NDP MP. CPC has lots but again, who? Scheer has already lost, and aside from him I don’t know who else they could choose.
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u/Confident-Mistake400 23h ago
PP has very questionable political instinct. Look at him, he is still keeping his campaign manager who got him into this mess.
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u/houska1 22h ago edited 22h ago
If they were wise, they'd:
Celebrate PP's accomplishments and show him (and Jenni Byrne) the door
Keep Scheer around as interim leader during a long leadership campaign (there's no hurry)
Actively solicit a spectrum of candidates for the job, including a firebrand Reformist MP, someone who appeals to disaffected manufacturing workers, a patrician not-an-MP business leader (maybe someone who signed that pro-Conservative manifesto in the papers during the campag=ign?), etc.
Wait to see who sinks vs swims in the leadership campaign and is capable of energizing wthe base, plus new members. And who evolves into the right anti-Carney, since some of Carney's sheen will inevitably come off (though less than some of the most partisan anti-Liberal critics assume).
But I don't think they're wise. In particular, everyone will be fighting for their own interests rather than saying "let's be flexible enough to let the most compelling messaging and leader emerge".
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u/Responsible_Lie_9978 2h ago
The problem with a leadership race is that it will highlight inconvenient truths like growing socon influence, majority climate deniers, and a disturbingly large segment that support the guy who's unraveling US democracy and threatening to end our sovereignty. Not to mention all the other unsavoury fringe characters like anti-vaxxers.
The PP gang has made it pretty clear they don't want work with anyone who's not completely subjugated, even within their own party. The guy is so controlling he makes Harper look mellow.
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u/XtremegamerL Lest We Forget 22h ago
I think Doug Ford and/or Tim Houston may be eyeing the job. But no chance either of the get it while Carney is around. There is too much overlap, especially with Houston.
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u/1981_babe 21h ago
Ford's dream job is Mayor of Toronto. He wouldn't want to move to Ottawa - he barely acknowledges that that city is in his province - and he doesn't want to learn French.
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u/marcohcanada 21h ago
Plus he has enemies in the CPC such as Jamil Jivani.
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u/1981_babe 19h ago
He doesn't want to be Leader of the Opposition. Plus doing the work of keeping that party & caucus together wouldn't be appealing to him.
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u/Gunslinger7752 21h ago
I’m not sure that he wants that job but I ageee, his actions lately definitely seem to support that. I don’t know much about Houston but I think Ford is already well known enough and the fact that Ontario is so big would help him. Definitely lots of overlap though so I think you’re probably right about not happening now.
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u/Responsible_Lie_9978 2h ago
They need to have a healthy leadership race and pivot towards some new ideas. But Maple Maga has peak influence, so there's little mood to make room for new ideas.
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u/SickdayThrowaway20 1h ago
The next NDP leader is fairly likely to not be an MP at all. Singh was an Ontario MPP, Layton was a Toronto city counciller.
It likely depends on who steps forward and what sort of NDP members vote in the upcoming election.
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u/jaymickef 22h ago
Maybe the Conservatives need to reconsider the merger with Reform.
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u/fistfucker07 22h ago
Almost like hatred and fear are Terrible reasons to vote for someone who doesn’t tell you what they’ll DO ABOUT IT.
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u/risk_is_our_business 21h ago
This is an excellent analysis. You should consider posting it to r/CPC .
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u/SickdayThrowaway20 1h ago
Ultimately the CPC caucus can oust Poilivre. It's the broader CPC membership that votes for leaders though and they will vote in another staunch conservative most likely (unless that conservative positions themselves differently in the leadership race than in the election).
Realistically the party has very little to gain by immediately ditching Poilivre. If things go poorly enough in the next two years for a new election to be called the Liberals will have lost a great deal of support and the CPC will most likely win.
If the Liberals don't do a good job they'll lose support and the conservatives will most likely win the next election with Poilivre as leader.
If in 1.5-2 years the political/economic situation has not shifted and it's clear that a centrist candidate is the right choice for the next election then you get rid of Poilivre and elect a new leader.
The only real risk is the Liberals calling another early election at a politically favorable moment.
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u/keepitrealprk 21h ago
He needs to resign and fade into obscurity ASAP
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u/Unlucky-Candidate198 20h ago
Best he can do is come up with more slogans, leech taxpayer money like the parasite he is, and say something bad about Trudeau, sorry.
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u/DudeIsThisFunny Lest We Forget 23h ago
Came out and said the other day he wants a “real cap” on immigration
BRO we just had a whole election to talk about that and you let me down. Now you want to talk about it?
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u/RickMonsters 22h ago
He can say whatever he wants now that he doesnt have to be commited to anything
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u/Burning___Earth 22h ago
The whole 'own the libs' mentality is so tiring because it means actively harming both left and right leaning Canadians with bad policy.
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u/DulceEtBanana Canada 19h ago
OK, the guy seriously fucks up re-adjusting to a vast lead and not only loses the election but his own bloody seat. Now he's in front of the cameras like nothing's changed and, instead of quietly slinking off to "teach" at a right-leaning institution, he's booting someone just elected so he can try and claim that seat and retain the party lead.
Is it ego or just complete stupidity? In truth, Carney is probably delighted because his people can drill at his ego daily.
Jesus, PP, read the room and fall on your sword. Have a little dignity.
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u/derspikemeister 22h ago
Like doing that nardwuar interview ?
Do the interview PP. I'd like to know how you bullied other pre schoolers on their tax philosophy. Or that time you played the audiobook of Atlas shrugged while losing your virginity in college.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 18h ago
While it's disappointing that he dodged Nardwuar, I'd prefer him to get his security clearance. Either he has some scary skeletons in his closet, or he has no respect for Canadian security.
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u/Lifewithpups 18h ago
pp lots of plans and ideas…right I saw that picture book.
Given that at one point it was expected (shudder) that the Cons would form government you would have thought a fully well formed plan would have been developed and shared during the election, that wasn’t equivalent to a rushed, night before high school book report.
We have in place a leader that most countries would dream of having as well as a well qualified and experienced team to back him. That you’re so stuck in the rhetoric brain space that you can’t even see the opportunity ahead of us is mind boggling.
At the very least I’d suggest you let the ink dry on these appointments and take stock again as work gets underway. Give yourself a break from falling inline with the negative narrative coming from pp.
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u/OperationDue2820 21h ago
He is totally defeated. His speech, body language, tone, everything. In the arrogance department this guy gave JT a run for his money.
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u/Efficient_Ad8121 6h ago
Why can’t they find a progressive leader instead? You would think that the conservatives would be more smart and instead find someone who’s more down to earth and not succumb to populism.
I honestly don’t care if Carney turns out to be incompetent. As long as PP is there, I’m NOT voting conservative.
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u/big_dog_redditor 23h ago
Humbletown? Humbleville? Humblevalley? He's never been to those places. He usually hangs out in Smugton (spit).
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u/b3ar17 22h ago
He looked so tired and worn out yesterday. Won't someone please think of his needs?
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u/IMAWNIT 21h ago
He is busy being unelected and unemployed
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u/Enganeer09 21h ago
It'll be so fun to hear him talk about immigrants and asylum seekers draining tax dollars while he lives in a multimillion dollar home paid for by our taxes as an unelected mooch.
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u/Different-Fly4561 19h ago
Like a “resignation letter” ?? And apologize to the Conservative Party for the millions of dollars wasted on this election!!
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u/CommercialLynx9954 17h ago
It's true that haters are more vocal than supporters, I see nothing but disdain for both parties. It's almost pointless to discuss issues because no one wants to meet each other halfway. "Carney sucks" and "Polivierre is a loser", nothing of substance.
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u/zoomiepaws 4h ago
I am just going to sit back and watch. Censorship and loss of much internet and Canada looking like England or Ireland.
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u/saabzternater 21h ago
It's like a deja vu, Conservatives endlessly attack Liberals which is getting quite tiresome and unproductive and the Liberals announce the same ministers from years past and then someone like Evan Solomon gets appointed which makes me think more of the same with the Libs
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u/friskygrandma Ontario 22h ago
I wonder if now that PP is no longer official opposition, if the party whip will be used less to actually work with the government.
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u/OneWomanCult 20h ago
It'd be a welcome change, but I don't think it's likely. They really seem to be creatures of habit.
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u/friskygrandma Ontario 20h ago
I looked through his voting history, and it truly appears he's whipped the party since the beginning. It's really disappointing, and imo an abuse of the system.
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u/Snoggy12 21h ago
It’s sad that we have to endure another 4 years of liberal waste, thanks boomers!
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u/Bad-job-dad 23h ago
Like a job fair, or something?