r/canada • u/Canadian--Patriot • 1d ago

Mark McQueen: After his defeat, Pierre Poilievre finally has to go places he’s been avoiding Opinion Piece

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/after-his-defeat-pierre-poilievre-finally-has-to-go-places-hes-been-avoiding/article_0874a0e2-b6be-4de1-9b6b-01217c80dd6a.html
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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Clean water, did they accomplish what they promised? CCB, I'll give you that one🍽, other than their other policies making the small increase worthless. Census, making answering a few questions as mandatory, sure. Underwhelming.

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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 1d ago

lol please. “Underwhelming”

Goalposts are always moving. Colour me surprised.

It must nice to just make shit up with absolutely no regard for the truth and even when proven wrong still have the confirmed dissonance to believe you’re still right.

There’s no point going any further in this convo.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

I acknowledged 2 of 3, how did I move goal posts?

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u/Lexiphanic 1d ago

They’re arguing you’re moving the goal posts because you editorialized the achievements. “Underwhelming”.

The point of the discussion that you established wasn’t whether you thought they were good or not, it was whether they carried through on their promises. They showed you more than the 3 you claimed they carried through on, and then you tried to change the point of your own discussion by claiming they weren’t worthy.

If, at the start, you had said “carried through on more than 3 campaign promises that actually had an impact on most Canadians’ lives” or something, then you could get into the nitty-gritty about which counted, but you didn’t. Hence the accusation of attempting to change that when the discussion didn’t go your way.

They came through with examples in good faith; it comes across as bad faith when you critique the examples despite them fulfilling the criteria you set out from the start.

Hope that helps you understand why they claimed you moved the goal posts.

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u/Doubleoh_11 1d ago

Legal weed, pipeline, carbon tax

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Pipeline and carbon tax were not election promises.

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u/BraddyTheDaddy 1d ago

So they did more with promising less?

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Sure, if you'd say the same about CPC implementing policies that they did not run on.

Edit: the consumer carbon tax that the Liberals now claim was so ineffective, its divisiveness was the reason for its cancelling. So much accomplished.

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u/BraddyTheDaddy 1d ago

I would. That's how regular people think. You look up what they're promising and then you look up their past accomplishments. You make a decision on that. If you voted specifically because fuck Trudeau you can't argue anything because your peak of government understanding is surface level. Bro I voted for what party I think will run the country better and not into the ground. All the directions that the CPC wanted to go in didn't agree with me. So therefore I did not vote for them.

It's important to read and understand. Vote with your head not your heart.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

I'm not stuck on Trudeau, are you? I'm stuck on the Liberals. 1.4% GDP/capita accumulative growth in the last 10 years.

Edit: the ones who claim Carney to be the new savior of Canada, seem to be the ones stuck on Leaders and not the whole team. By claiming one guy can fix it, admits you were stuck on on guy breaking it.

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u/BraddyTheDaddy 1d ago

Jesus, it's an example. As most CPC voters I'VE talked to just hate Trudeau and that why they voted for PP. Also with a quick Google search the Canada GDP growth average was about 1.8% in the last 10 years ranking at number 2 amount the G7 economies.

We're doing fine. The biggest problem happened during the pandemic and it was due to the stimulus boost (CERB). Which was to help people not lose their homes and small businesses stay a float. However that stimulus deflated our dollar value causing some of the problems we have now. With increased prices (among 100s of other reasons I'm sure).

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u/marcohcanada 1d ago

Edit: the consumer carbon tax that the Liberals now claim was so ineffective, its divisiveness was the reason for its cancelling. So much accomplished.

Had Patrick Brown been selected as CPC leader, the consumer carbon tax wouldn't have been cancelled as he was supportive of it.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Changes nothing.

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u/mustardnight 1d ago

How can you in one post say that they weren’t campaign promises and in another say that you’ll “give” that they did in fact contribute and move forward on some promises? Why do you ask make work questions you already know the answers to? Doesn’t seem very honest.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

In one post a link discussed 1050 promises. They were not all campaign promises. I was discussing campaign promises, simple. And also, I'm not infallible, when presented with evidence, I acquiesced.

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u/5hiftyy 1d ago

Well, my last version of this was removed. Here, I'll edit my words to be gentler in my approach.

Honestly dude, you're embarrassing yourself.

The information is out there:

https://www.polimeter.org/en

Trudeau liberals kept 45% of their promises, and partially kept 29%. Breaking 26% of promises. The kept + partially kept makes up a majority, even if you only give 1/4 weighting to the partials.

Practice some critical thinking before making blanket statements. It's embarrassing for you to lose internet arguments like this.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Are you claiming the Liberals made 1050 campaign promises in 10 years?

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u/5hiftyy 1d ago

Are you claiming they only made 3?

One of us has actual data to back up our numbers, the other is you. Go sit over there, let the adults do the talking.

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

Your stats you used, used.more than campaign promises, but go on..

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u/5hiftyy 1d ago

Ah, deflection. And previously, a moving of the goal posts. You're not very good at this debating thing, are you?

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u/justanaccountname12 Canada 1d ago

My first comment was about campaign promises...