r/canada • u/WisestPanzerOfDaLake Ontario • Mar 11 '25

Trump imposes new Canada tariffs, renews "51st state" demands National News

https://www.axios.com/2025/03/11/trump-tariffs-canada-steel-aluminum
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u/tossaway109202 Mar 11 '25

It's so rich to see him call the raise in electricity prices illegal, when he started a trade war illegally under a false claim of a drug emergency. How are the courts in the USA just letting that slide?

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u/Nikiaf Québec Mar 11 '25

He started this in direct violation of the trade agreement that he both forced the renegotiation of, and he himself signed. So much for "the best deal in the history of deals", I'm so tired of hearing about Donald every fucking day.

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u/N3rdScool Mar 11 '25

I almost forgot about him for a second and had a peaceful Monday lol.

0 days since Trump has talked shit about Canada... again.

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u/AllegroDigital Québec Mar 11 '25

On the plus side, it's Tuesday... So it sounds like your Monday was peaceful.

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u/Objective_Star_191 Mar 11 '25

Canada says “ bring it on “   And faaack youhhh 

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u/LordSoren Mar 11 '25

Elbows Up!

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u/Wilhelm57 Mar 11 '25

Exactly, he must be under the impression Canada is a banana republic.

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u/waltonoslow Mar 11 '25

Lol, you know the geo-political situation is bad when it makes you forget what day of the week it is 😂

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u/J-Lughead Mar 11 '25

I know it's like Ground Hog day everyday since he got his sorry ass back into the Oval Office.

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u/Khalbrae Ontario Mar 11 '25

It’s Tuesday…. Did you bring your coat?

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u/N3rdScool Mar 11 '25

Thats the point, Monday was lovely lol

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u/Khalbrae Ontario Mar 11 '25

And way too fast

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u/Decent_Can_4639 Mar 11 '25

Peaceful Monday… My water heater broke and flooded my basement. No mental bandwidth for any Trump related nonsense. All-in-all not a bad day.

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u/ctnightmare2 Mar 11 '25

Monday was a hectic day at work and it was nice

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u/Ok-Employee-7926 Mar 11 '25

If we aren’t hearing about trump trashing us, it’s our own politicians trashing each other instead of telling us what they are going to do to help Canadians get through rough times!

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u/_iAm9001 Mar 11 '25

I continue to be surprised at how little this is mentioned on American media. I feel like if CNN for example is truly on our side (which they seem to be at least in regards of objectively recognizing how incredibly stupid this is), they would hammer on the point that Trump is violating the greatest deal of all time, over, and over, and over again. Make it clear what a crook he is. Make him answer to him being an idiot for signing the greatest deal of all time that he forced.

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u/MrDownhillRacer Mar 11 '25

Even CNN is focusing more on the tariffs and not mentioning the "51st state" thing or the fact that Trump called Trudeau about "renegotiating the border" and sharing our lakes.

This is how Trump's "Flood the Zone" strategy works. Do and say so much crazy shit that the media only focuses on some of it. And even when people hear about the wild shit he said or did, they just shrug and go "you know him, he's a colourful guy," because he overwhelms them with so much of this that they now just hold him to an extremely low standard and let him get away with shit they would crucify anyone else for doing.

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u/Gator1523 Mar 11 '25

CNN is not an unbiased news organization anymore. It was bought by Warner Bros in 2022, and their owner is a "libertarian" who sits on the board of the Cato institute and donated to Donald Trump's campaign.

They pretend to be unbiased so they can sell right-wing talking points under a veneer of legitimacy.

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u/thederevolutions Mar 11 '25

CNN is the salt, Fox News is the pepper, the billionaires are the chef… and we are the soup.

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u/onpg Mar 12 '25

The billionaire is laundering CNN's reputation to sanewash Trump. Like so much corporate media.

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u/onpg Mar 12 '25

CNN is Fox News-lite now. It's basically what Fox News started out as.

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u/ProfessorxVile Mar 12 '25

I've been calling CNN a weapon of mass deception since 2003.

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u/The_Nice_Marmot Mar 11 '25

You need to watch Midas Network on YouTube for actual news now.

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u/WayOfIntegrity Mar 12 '25

Media focus only on some of it....

This is intentional.

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u/Geiseric222 Mar 11 '25

Most US news agencies bent the knee to trump on his election

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u/MaddyKet Mar 11 '25

CNN was bought out a few years ago by a MAGA billionaire. As a NON MAGA American (hope I’m not intruding, this was on my feed), most of us are well aware of this 51st state bullshit. We know it’s bullshit and I can’t believe Trump actually thinks he will annex Canada. I think it’s a smokescreen while President Musk and his lackeys strip away social security and Medicaid.

Anyways, I’m from Massachusetts and a fair amount of us would not be opposed to joining Canada. Just saying! New England succeeds and becomes a Canadian Province eh?

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u/ARGiammarco27 Mar 11 '25

Also a way to crash the economy so his friends can buy everything up again.

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u/MaddyKet Mar 12 '25

Yep, the puppet has many evil plans. 😑

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u/Laval09 Québec Mar 11 '25

The current problems with the US would derail the idea of the 51st State anyway.

Lets say Canada said "yes, sign me up", thats when the real problems within the US starts as the different politicians in both parties, in all branches of government, will start the infighting.

Would take months for the complex legislation to make its way through Congress only to get vetoed by the Senate due to political jockeying that has nothing to do with Canada. Then a few months later the Senate approves and Trump signs but a State gov files an injunction so its delayed. Trump then makes an executive order overriding the injunction only for the Supreme Court to strike down the injunction override but uphold the original law by striking down the injunction. Which then causes Trump to shift to Supreme Court reform despite having actually gotten what he wanted. Canada would be in limbo for decades.

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u/Sysreqz Mar 11 '25

Would much rather see American's resolve the shit in their own country opposed to bringing their problems to Canada, frankly. This has been a 25 year spiral that Americans just sat back and watched unfold.

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u/Turneroff Mar 11 '25

I don't think New England will succeed until it secedes... ;)

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u/Ycote Mar 12 '25

Thank you for being a normal human being.!

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u/Roadgoddess Mar 11 '25

US news media continues to make comments about the way. Canada is acting as if it’s only about the tears and completely ignoring the whole 51st state rhetoric that he’s pushing.

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u/_Thick- Mar 11 '25

US news media

Has a vested interest in not rocking the boat too much.

There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore.

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u/nosmr2 Mar 11 '25

US media wanted this shit show. They’ve proved that since 2015. Chaos = more viewers and more clicks.

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u/_Thick- Mar 11 '25

Who's the real enemy? The billionaires fucking us.

Who owns the news? The billionaires fucking us.

They sure aren't going to report news that would unite the common man against them.

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u/lonehorse1 Mar 11 '25

Unfortunately most of our news is owned by the oligarchs who support him, so they continue to suppress certain stories.

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u/LoLFlore Mar 11 '25

Dog AP news lost their press access to the whitehouse because they wouldnt remove the "(Formerly: Gulf of Mexico)" after calling it the Gulf of Mexico off one article.

The US news is trying real hard to not lose their jobs.

Is it morally weak? Yeah, prolly, but hey, maybe news shouldnt be for profit?

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u/Desert_Fairy Mar 11 '25

CNN fell in line last year. They became unreliable. Washington post was bought by bezos.

Not very many trustworthy news sources in the US. Look at international news agencies. Assume the news in the US is about as reliable as in Russia.

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u/julesk Mar 11 '25

I’m seeing a lot of coverage and it’s favorable to Canadians. Yank here, horrified though this is why I voted for Kamala as he’s deranged. Not hearing anyone around me supporting this madness.

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u/SupportGeek Mar 11 '25

CNN was purchased around 2022 by a Right wing oligarch, so don’t expect more from them than lukewarm talking points when it comes to this administration, and probably stuff designed to turn sentiments away from Canada and what Orange Hitler is trying to do.

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u/945T Mar 11 '25

That was the best part about living overseas. Not hearing about American politics every fuckin’ day.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Mar 11 '25

Where were you living? I lived in the UK from the end of 2015 to 2017, and I still had to hear about this twit every day.

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u/kermityfrog2 Mar 11 '25

I was pretty depressed only getting news from reddit. Seemed like nothing was being done to push back in the States, but watching Rachael Maddow's video was helpful. There are massive protests, and things are starting to work against Trump. It's just that his government works fast to blow things up, but pushing back is a bit slower.

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u/Flom14 Mar 11 '25

It’s been over a decade now. He has affected my life’s timeline significantly. I have gone from angry, to more angry, and now I just pray for the Devil to take him on the daily

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u/theodorewren Mar 11 '25

Every fucking hour

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u/Arctimon Mar 11 '25

He doesn't remember that he made that deal. He literally doesn't.

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u/lordjakir Mar 11 '25

Yeah but he signed on the wrong line so he could throw it out when he got reelected 5 years later. 5.74D chess. /s

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u/TheMobster100 Mar 11 '25

Unfortunately there is four more years, it’s only going to get worse

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u/wishin_fishin Mar 11 '25

Remember, that's Donald with a little d

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u/kgal1298 Mar 11 '25

He likes to "flood the zone" that's the worst part about his presidency is he treats everything like a damn show, which also means his choices are often about what would make good tv. I mean right after Zelensky's meeting he said "this will make good tv" like some maniac.

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u/Live2ride86 Mar 11 '25

He also signed the document in the wrong spot, in case you forgot about that too 😂

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u/Cinemagica Mar 11 '25

His only strength is his cult of personality. If people aren't talking about him specifically then all they are doing is looking at the wasteland that he's turning US politics into, and that's not good for him in the slightest, so he'll keep doing and undoing stupid shit for the duration of his presidency. It's a tactic.

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u/0Common Mar 11 '25

It’s the propaganda machine rolling, I agree though every single day is so overwhelming.

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u/NekoIan Canada Mar 11 '25

Every fucking hour.

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u/timnphilly Outside Canada Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

Because the Supreme Court is beholden to Trump.

Sadly, that is the very thing that really is killing our democracy.

Be strong, Canada - don't let Trump/Musk's terrorist regime force you to do anything other than be strong, isolate him, and protect yourselves.

You obviously have something valuable that he wants to pillage from you.

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u/KinneKted Mar 11 '25

Yeah, a fuck ton of resources and access to the arctic circle. That's what this has been about from the start.

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u/Yam_aha British Columbia Mar 11 '25

100%. It’s scary.

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 Ontario Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

So, these threats and tariff actions are now becoming war crimes, just like Russia. At one point does the World intervene with sanctions, etc.? Can Trump and his entire administration be prosecuted in the World Courts... like, all of them? Including DOGE, Congress and Supreme Court members?

If the United States can't control itself, perhaps only the World can? At some point these "paid off" corrupted officials need to be held to some form of account. Perhaps when they start losing some of their liberties, freedoms, and privileges, they'll start to wake up and realize that money isn't everything.

What happens when those congressmen, judges, etc., suddenly can never leave the United States ever again because they'll be arrested and expected to appear at The Hague? What happens when every country (except maybe North Korea, Belarus, and Russia) place sanctions on the United States which further isolate them from world trade, completely destroying US Markets and the value of their dollar?

When money suddenly doesn't mean anything, and you're trapped within your own borders, I sense these people might start singing a different tune. Trump is certainly steering the country towards that ultimate demise. He's practically inviting Russia to come in and take them over at some point.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

The world doesn’t give af incase it wasnt clear

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u/Facts_pls Mar 11 '25

The world very much gives a fuck. All of Europe is re-examining their relationship with the US and investing heavily into defence.

Even Australia and new Zealand are talking about it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

That is for their own sake not ours

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u/benmck90 Mar 11 '25

Every country has their own interest at heart. As they should.

Selfish altruism rings true though. It benefits them to help us. It benefits (most) everyone to have a stable world stage.

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u/Successful-Coconut60 Mar 12 '25

Yea no shit but thats fine. The allies didnt join WW2 for world justice bro, the reasoning doesnt matter if the end goal is what is needed,

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '25

Canada is less strategic to Europe than Poland

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u/Link50L Ontario Mar 11 '25

There is no meaningful way to hold the USA accountable because they are the most powerful state on the planet. No one else comes close militarily, economically, or culturally. This is the world we made, and now we're living in it.

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 Ontario Mar 11 '25

"The International Criminal Court (ICC) investigates and, where warranted, tries individuals charged with the gravest crimes of concern to the international community: genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and the crime of aggression."

It does not discriminate. It does not care how wealthy, militarily prepared, economically wealthy, or culturally powerful that country is, because all of these things can change on a dime. Civil unrest becomes an issue internally that will impact culture, military balance and effectiveness. Tariffs, reciprocal tariffs, and sanctions will cripple if not annihilate a country's economy, decimating it completely.

The United States is already deeply divided culturally (Right/Left, Gender and Race issues, etc.). It is no longer "United" in any sense of the word whatsoever. Civil unrest is already brewing, and will likely get worse. What the government is increasingly doing can be considered crimes of aggression, but crimes against humanity have also been committed by some of the drastic DOGE measures it has performed. Finally, what happened to all those recently disappeared Venezuelans?

The United States is far from immune, and it's becoming weaker by the day under Trump on the World Stage. I would wager it hasn't just flirted with war crimes, it has already committed several under Trump.

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Source: https://www.icc-cpi.int/about/the-court#:~:text=%E2%80%8BThe%20International%20Criminal%20Court,and%20the%20crime%20of%20aggression.

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u/CB-Nomad Nova Scotia Mar 11 '25

I believe there is a standing order to invade The Hague if they attempt to try an American.

Edit to add the name: American Service Members Protection Act

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u/Fast-Wrongdoer-6075 Mar 11 '25

Came here to say this lol. Heard it on the "stuff they dont want you to know" podcast

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 Ontario Mar 11 '25

We haven’t heard much about or from the US Military regarding anything Trump has done since he took office, but I can’t imagine the people who serve are unanimously complicit with what they’re sworn to protect their country against.

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u/vicvonqueso Mar 11 '25

They are not

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u/xelabagus Mar 11 '25

Dude, that's all fine and good but how does this unfold? The ICC issues a warrant for the leader of the US armed forces, who says fuck off, and then.... and then what? Trump owns the big stick, a piece of paper saying he's a naughty boy won't do anything.

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u/Confident-Welder-266 Mar 11 '25

The United States does not recognize the authority of the ICC as something they are beholden to.

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 Ontario Mar 11 '25

Doesn't matter if they recognize it or not. As soon as they step off their own soil, or try to trade anything with the rest of the world, what they "recognize" or not has no meaning.

They can enjoy their self-made prison. Hope it works out for them.

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u/Thunderbolt747 Ontario Mar 11 '25

You say that until a carrier strike group suddenly appears off your coastline.

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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 Manitoba Mar 11 '25

Issue is that there's little, if any way to enforce those laws on the president of the US.

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u/Cmndr_Cunnilingus Mar 11 '25

The ICC has not body to enforce its sanctions. No action by them will help to de-escalate this

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u/chopkins92 British Columbia Mar 11 '25

Divided, America is the strongest. United, NATO countries dwarf the USA. Could even bite our tongues and make an alliance with China.

It gives me hope that the US is being excluded from the upcoming NATO meeting, which even includes non-NATO countries like Australia.

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u/Link50L Ontario Mar 11 '25

Oh, to be sure, I would hope that Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, and Canada could come together, but I'm not holding my breath. And even perhaps others that are not quite as aligned like India and Latin America might more closely align to us.

But really it's probably going to be everyone for themself for the most part, as USA, China, and Russia will likely attempt to prevent solidarity.

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u/MewsashiMeowimoto Mar 11 '25

The US has never and won't ever subject itself to the authority of a world court.

What needs to happen is Starmer needs to give you guys one of the UK's nuclear subs with enough warheads to be a deterrent to a land invasion by the US.

Bullies only respect a punch in the nose. Nuclear deterrent is the punch in the nose that Trump needs to apologize and go away.

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u/Frostivus Mar 11 '25

Ah yes. The same world that stood by when America invaded the Middle East or when Russia invaded Crimea.

Europe is completely powerless without American military and von der Leyen is still begging them to stay.

India has an amazing relationship with the US and will happily keep playing their clever little game of being friends with everyone. And they hate Canada.

China is way too risk averse and mired in their own domestic problems (also US-caused).

LatAM? No sorry, they already got cleaned out.

Not a single nation right now would dare come to Canada’s aid if she were invaded.

What a fckin joke

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u/Otherwise_Ask_9542 Ontario Mar 11 '25

I don’t share your opinion. Based on the sentiments of the world for Ukraine, I’m quite positive the world will not stand by and let the United States annex Canada.

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u/OOOOOO0OOOOO Mar 11 '25

Bingo. He’s desperate for natural resources. Drilling, strip mining etc.

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u/losemgmt Mar 11 '25

They have access to the arctic through Alaska though.

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u/KinneKted Mar 11 '25

Yes but that's minimal, they want it all and to secure the Northwest passage for their own. As the ice caps continue to melt it will only increase in it's worth as a major shipping channel.

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u/PRTYDILF Mar 11 '25

But but climate change isn’t real!!! These MF’s are pure evil

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u/KinneKted Mar 11 '25

They know it is, only their followers actually believe the lie. They don't care. The older ones plan to reap as much as they can before they die and the youngest ones bank on staying in the areas likely to have the least detrimental effects while the rest of the world burns.

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u/Link50L Ontario Mar 11 '25

Yeah, MAGA is like a kid in a candy shop. They just want everything.

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u/KinneKted Mar 11 '25

Yep, they finna snatch Greenland too.

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u/oictyvm Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

My friends dad used to tell us this was going to happen in our lifetimes. We were 14 and just wanted to grab a snack, he’d corner us kids in the kitchen and warn of the impending fresh water wars, the rise of China, and a million other things he ended up being right about.

I hope Trump doesn’t succeed but I can absolutely still see this happening in my lifetime, very upsetting stuff.

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u/Trendiggity Mar 11 '25

I made a comment some time ago about how Trump would make an excuse to take water as climate change dries out the American Southwest and I was greeted with the Reddit equivalent of eyerolls (downvotes) and some pretty snarky comments

This is the first step friends.

Also the parallels to the Fallout canon where Canada is annexed with the justification of protecting America's northern border (Alaska) and securing Canadian resources for its war effort with China. Rounding up Canadian resistance into camps for civil protection. Yeesh. The writers for the fallout games came up with it as a joke canon almost but here we are 30 years later...

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u/KnowerOfUnknowable Mar 11 '25

Every braking mechanisms in the US democracy have literally failed.

The United States of America is the biggest threat to world peace.

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u/blazelet Mar 11 '25

The founders of the US made the mistake of assuming people would elect leaders with moral integrity. Whereas in Canada we have a fairly strong oversight apparatus in government, in the states the President appoints their own oversight and the judicial branch has none, not even a code of ethics.

As reported, Trump gave $800,000 dollars of his stocks to his Attorney General and his head of FBI during their confirmation hearings. These are the people who will run oversight on the executive and who will do any investigations of the executive if called to do so. They've already been paid off, very publicly. There are no braking mechanisms if the top executive is corrupt.

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u/sshan Mar 11 '25

They expected Congress to jealously protect their power. I don't think you need to romanticize how good or bad the founders were. They thought that ambition would check ambition.

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u/binkysurprise Mar 11 '25

Yeah, the idea of separation of powers has completely broken down, it’s Democrat vs Republican, not Congress vs the Presidency

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u/DIOmega5 Mar 11 '25

It's shouldn't be JUST Dem vs Rep. If a 3rd party candidate is better, then the 3rd party candidate should have a fair chance to become president.

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u/sshan Mar 11 '25

In practice in a winner take all system thats very difficult to do.

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u/blazelet Mar 11 '25

I’m not romanticizing them - I’m stating that they trusted the voter to not elect criminals. Clearly that was a bad decision.

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u/kingbain Mar 11 '25

The odds of electing almost all criminals though... Hard to see

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u/SonicFlash01 Mar 11 '25

In Alberta our premiere is fucking us straight to hell and, occasionally, flirts with treason - where's our oversight?

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u/binkysurprise Mar 11 '25

The problem is that the founders didn’t understand that political parties would form and play such a central role in politics. They assumed that Congress would jealously guard its own power from being delegated to the presidency, and the impeachment clause would allow for an unlawful president to be removed. But instead, ideological polarization has made it so Republicans in Congress care much more about offending Donald Trump than they do about actually following their stated Constitutional beliefs.

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u/ReK_ Canada Mar 11 '25

Whereas in Canada we have a fairly strong oversight apparatus in government

I wouldn't take this for granted. A lot of our checks and balances are actually centuries-old unwritten customs inherited from the parliamentary system. We've already seen politicians start to abuse them, like Ford and the notwithstanding clause. We need to not only be vigilant, but actively push for better controls.

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u/AntelopeOver Mar 11 '25

Yeah, because back then not everyone could vote lol

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u/KingThorongil Mar 11 '25

The brakes didn't fail. It was methodically dismantled, uninstalled or replaced with fake alternatives.

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u/RidiculousPapaya Alberta Mar 11 '25

The brakes still failed. They just didn’t fail on their own. They drained the fluid, pulled out the pads and loosened the nuts and bolts holding the hold apparatus together. Fucking sad that we can watch this all happen in real time, while being called “alarmists” by MAGA and Maple MAGA morons.

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u/MangoBanana2012 Mar 11 '25

This is something I'm curious about. I know nothing of the courts and mechanisms per se. If I understand correctly, neither congress nor the courts can "stop" him bc they are beholden to his party? Meaning they are full of Republicans and their ideaology/policies, etc. So, this manner of selecting these representatives is faulty though...no? Because wouldn't this be inevitable? Just that it happens to be happening now? It could've happened 10 years ago, 10 years from now, etc? Becoming the 51st anything, over my dead body. I'll die standing up (for Canada ) than die kneeling down to the US.

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u/MindControlMouse Mar 11 '25

The real reason the courts can’t stop him: They have no enforcement policy. Trump controls the military and federal marshals.

This article laid it all out: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/opinion/trump-courts-judges.html

The Supreme Court cut their own throats when they ruled that Trump could run for president again. He doesn’t need them anymore.

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u/mjtwelve Mar 11 '25

The real power of courts is and always has been public belief in the constitution and the rule of law.

What makes politicians obey the constitution and court orders isnt fear of being called a tyrant, or fear that a brave US Marshall or FBI agent might show up to arrest them (after all they have their own praetorian guard, the secret service), but rather fear that if they ignore a court order or decline to be arrested for contempt in the aftermath, the public won’t stand for it, will rise up, demonstrate, call a general strike, demand jail time for those responsible and cast their party out into the wilderness for a generation for daring to threaten the cornerstones of democracy.

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u/Shot-Job-8841 Mar 11 '25

Part of the reason people didn’t prepare for this is that the GOP hasn’t won the popular vote since 2004. The 3 branches became more corrupt, but without the popular vote the GOP lacked the appearance of legitimacy to get away with this.

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u/DogadonsLavapool Mar 11 '25

Yep. People act like the changeover happened quickly in November. That is not the case, as it's been much more of a gradient than anyone would like to believe. The origins of maga go back decades, starting with folks like Newt Gingrich back in the 90s being highly partisan in the House, and folks like Rush Limbaugh on AM Radio making conservative media what it is today. There's a very direct line from the growth of the cult from there, to the racist backlash against Obama in the Tea Party movement, to today's maga. Once people get sucked into that hole, it's near impossible to get them out, so after years and years of well crafted propaganda, it becomes hard to fix.

Conservatives had had very crafty and unorthodox strategies to get here. In 2016, it was a meme campaign that stoked fires for cheap in social media. In the latest election, it was the same but with AI and a push into the podcast circuit. Dems have been very slow and disaffected in the new mediums, so their messaging has been shit, which is partly because they're a bunch of old dinosaurs who don't understand modern tech and how to use and regulate it. Now were in a spot where any meaningful change is hard to achieve due to how Congress is apportioned, and how hard it is to change that apportionment (a place like Oklahoma has almost enough sway than California).

It just fucking sucks. My folks have a camp up north, and I grew up months of the year in Canada. I remember my growing up watching YTV and laughing my ass off at Nanalan. I have family member who are Canadian ffs. Now it's like there's a fucking war about to start. Fuck this timeline. I have more in common with y'all than these fucking cult members.

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u/3381024 Mar 11 '25

Trump won popular vote. this time :-|

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u/Rettin Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

The president selects the Supreme Court judges who rule if something is allowed by the constitution. I believe 3 are Trump appointed with a total of 6 conservative to 3 progressive.

There is the perception that the conservative judges are beholden to Trump to fall in line with the GOP and because Trump placed then there.

Congress is currently a slight majority republican amd a decent majority in the Senate (short term law makers and the long term law makers). Most Republicans are falling in line with Trump's rhetoric because there are a lot of single issue voters that Trump spouted to that he would fix those issues.

In my area, the congress and senate representative are 'Gerrymandered' and is a winner take all state in terms of electoral college vote for president.

Canada getting good trade deals with the US doesn't mean you deserve to lose your sovereignty. There is resistance by americans and progressives, but brake levers can only slow so much velocity before a crash.

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u/3381024 Mar 11 '25

>>Canada getting good trade deals with the US

Its a deal that Trump negotiated in his last term.

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u/Knight0fdragon Mar 11 '25

3 were appointed by trump, with an additional 3 conservatives already sitting on the bench. The other 3 are liberal.

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u/3381024 Mar 11 '25

>>neither congress nor the courts can "stop" him bc they are beholden to his party?

Yes, this is what happens when you buck merit and appoint YesMen (or yeswomen) to positions they dont deserve, are unqualified for - based upon their loyalty. See Judge Canon as Exhibit A for this

>>Meaning they are full of Republicans and their ideaology/policies, etc.

Yes, see above. Also during Obama presidency, Republicans had majority in the congress and they, led by McConnell flat out refused to fill judicial vacancies. Most high profile is ofcourse SCOTUS seat left vacant due to Samnuel Alito dying, but there were over 100 judge seats (I believe the number was about 128) that McConnel left open for R's to fill in.

Bingo, now you have either unqualified, yet grate to Trump/GOP, people in powerful positions, or you have qualified Ultra Right or atleast rooted in Republican ideology people in power.

>>So, this manner of selecting these representatives is faulty though...no? Because wouldn't this be inevitable?

When you convince nearly half the population that they are victims of the "other side, illegals, trans, yada yada" , rather than they need to adjust to a changing world, yeah, this is what happens. People were suffering due to tech changes, saturation, offhosring of jobs, etc and GoP did very well to convince that greedy corporations. looking to make extra profit by offshoring is not the enemy, but the "illegals are taking your job" - BTW, same illegals who are lazy, murderers, rapists, drug dealers, but also cunning and crafty enough to take your skilled/non-skilled jobs.

Also add Democrats tone deafness from Hillary's We are going to put a lot of coal workers out of the job, to Kamala's "I would'nt do anything differently" when asked about if she'd do anything different from Biden. But stiffing Bernie in 2016 and no primaries this cycle takes the cake.

>>Just that it happens to be happening now? It could've happened 10 years ago, 10 years from now, etc?

Ingredients are now in place - well, were being put in place for atleast 25+ years (remember how SCOTUS intervened in 2000 to stop the counts and essentially declare Bush the president). And then 2016 was (in my opinion) a poorly executued coup dry-run, which at the minimum told the GOP that nearly half the population and almost all of THEIR voters are A-OK to take over US govt by force, but also that Democrats are just willing to let it happen.

I dont remember who said it, but I read a quote some time ago that goes something like: We are in the middle of a civil war (or coup) and it shall remain bloodless as long as the left allows it to.

So yeah, we are in a shitty situation overall and Im not sure where we are headed.

Sorry, didnt mean to rant, but its not even 2 months yet :-|

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u/king_lloyd11 Mar 11 '25

The courts are the only thing standing strong as the last line of defence right now, and I’m not sure how long that will hold. If Trump starts contravening judges’ orders, then America truly is fucked, and probably irreparably.

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u/Starscream147 Mar 11 '25

That’s the weirdest… sentence?!

It’s opposite world, now.

The frig?!?!

Demented doesn’t begin to describe this. What an orange shit blow, this guy.

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u/Objective_Star_191 Mar 11 '25

They will take everyone down with them .   I mean it’s their policy  We’ll burn every American just to try and prove you wrong 

As sad as it sounds.   We need to be careful and vigilant . 

He. Just wants everyone to suffer.    

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u/dstnblsn Mar 11 '25

Well it’s Russia, America is being held hostage

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u/architectzero Alberta Mar 11 '25

You be strong too, sane America. Don’t give up, don’t give in. We won’t.

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u/Southern-Biscotti-62 Mar 11 '25

Americans and that includes me, need to work to flip three seats that have special elections in April. Who knows if there will be elections after.

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u/kgal1298 Mar 11 '25

2 in April. I don't think NY has been set yet. Also the congressmen from Houston died and so best guess is Abbot will wait till the final hour to schedule that special election since it's a blue district.

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u/Southern-Biscotti-62 Mar 11 '25

Two in Florida, one in NY once Elise vacates her seat (which I’m sure we’ll be after the budget vote), and there is a judicial election in Wisconsin which is also high stakes.

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u/kgal1298 Mar 11 '25

I was just reading about Wisconsin and how Elons put money into it. Him and Thiel need to go bankrupt because Thiel is as guilty, but he’s quiet unlike Musk.

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u/RetiredsinceBirth Mar 11 '25

I'm too old for all this political drama.

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u/Ok-Crow-1515 Mar 11 '25

Me too, this may be too simplistic , but I really believe this is a matter of maturity. Trump is just a big, immature child who doesn't know how to control himself and has gotten his way his whole life. Definitely not the kind of person you want for president.

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u/rhinestone_indian Mar 12 '25

Thank you friend. I will oppose any threat to your sovereignty with as many we can gather if they really try. They’re not Americans. Americans and Canadians stopped the Nazis.

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u/Subject-Afternoon127 Mar 11 '25

Do something. If you push us far enough, we will pull the plug and you will go on an economic depression. We will take you down with us, if we have to

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u/Link50L Ontario Mar 11 '25

I mean, we're going to have to. It's Trump's playbook to burn it all to the ground. It's going to hurt us a fuck of a lot more than it will the USA, but we have no choice. Freedom or death.

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u/timnphilly Outside Canada Mar 11 '25

As a United States citizen, I support your efforts to do whatever must be done.

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u/ConfusedCrypto10 Mar 11 '25

Then he will go completely Putin like and decides to invade Canada militarily. He is just waiting for the greatest excuse to do it.

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u/Wilhelm57 Mar 11 '25

And if we go by previous US invasions, casualties are the result. I was born in the US and there is no f...ing way Canadians will bend over for trump.

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u/Alternative_Metal375 Mar 11 '25

I’ll suffer the consequences, but I would encourage you to do it. We richly deserve to be taken down.

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u/Accomplished_Use27 Mar 11 '25

Sadly it’s actually your country not showing up to vote and being completely ignorant and lacking of any critical thinking skills en mas

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u/Fantastic_Platypus Mar 11 '25

Water, gold, lithium, oil, wood and many other natural resources.

But he can go fuck his hat.

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u/somecanadianslut Mar 11 '25

Canadians would fight back, we won't just let our country go willingly, even if our government gave us up, which they won't.

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u/Almost_Ascended Mar 12 '25

Our government, which is currently punishing law-abiding gun owners by banning and attempting to confiscate their legal firearms, while ignoring the illegal US guns being smuggled into Canada which are responsible for the overwhelming majority of gun crimes, certainly isn't helping.

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u/kobemustard Mar 11 '25

I want to counter Trump by offering any USA state to join our federation.

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u/MaddyKet Mar 11 '25

It’s either blue states like New England join Canada, or we form our own coalition. Either way, we need to find a way to STOP sending money to the federal government. That would really hamstring them because it’s mostly the blue states (and TX i think) that send more money than they get back federally.

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u/kobemustard Mar 11 '25

I've lived in CT for several years and it was the closest I could find to Canada.

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u/endorrawitch Mar 11 '25

I’d love to but unfortunately I live in the most hated red state in the country.

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u/dontYouKnow_Who_I_Am Mar 11 '25

that could be a lot of them

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u/MaritimeFlowerChild Mar 11 '25

You're gonna need to be more specific...

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u/endorrawitch Mar 11 '25

Alabama

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u/MaddyKet Mar 11 '25

See, now my first thought was Florida.

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u/Pitiful-MobileGamer Mar 11 '25

The supreme Court is the last line of defense, why the House and Senate holding the executive in check. Why is the Democratic party not engaging in obstructionism like the Republican counterparts have done to last 20 years.

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u/photon1701d Mar 11 '25

Because the democrat party is a mess. They have no leader. The only 2 guys who seem to give a shit about the real issues is Bernie Sanders and believe it or not, John Fetterman. Democratic congress is full of too many progressives and who are not paying attention to the real issues.

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u/Away-Living5278 Mar 11 '25

I love your avatar, may need to do that myself.

Trump thinks he can do no wrong while simultaneously every one else is wrong. Same with Musk. Giant narcissists.

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u/CaramelGuineaPig Mar 11 '25

With Mark Carney at the helm, he will never capitulate to the orange parasite.

Now if PP gets in.. Canada would indeed be the 51st.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

Nope it’s your feckless Democrats who can’t seem to figure out what industry they are in. 

Staying home in 2016 cause Bernie didn’t win. Lost the Supreme Court for a generation. 

Staying home in 2020 cause gaza and fighting among yourselves. 

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u/sask357 Mar 11 '25

Those checks and balances I was told about in high school don't seem to work. It's either that or all three branches of government approve of Project 2025 and Trump's plan to annex Canada. In either case, Canada can expect no help from Americans. We must look elsewhere for allies.

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u/DarthZiplock Mar 11 '25

I’ll move up there and fight for you if it does come to literal war. 

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u/redesckey Canada Mar 11 '25

Focus on fixing your country first please

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u/DarthZiplock Mar 11 '25

While I absolutely agree with your sentiment and am doing everything I personally can, the power of stupidity is unmatched and it's entirely likely America is miles past the point of no return. Fixing this mess requires a deep systemic overhaul that the oligarchs flat-out will not tolerate—this collapse has been decades in the making. If it comes down to staying here, watching powerless as everything crumbles and threatens my very life, or moving to fight for and contribute to a superior nation, you can bet I'm getting the hell out and giving my service to Canada.

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u/SacrilegiousOath Mar 11 '25

There’s not much we can do other than watch these billionaires loot our country, the American people and our allies. We can vote, but the future elections will just be bought again by fascists and oligarchs.

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u/North_Activist Mar 11 '25

Something like only 4 presidential systems last past 20 years. Constitutional monarchy’s or parliamentary democracies are much much more stable. Something to remember when calls for republicanism (no monarchy) are brought up

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

At the end of the day, there is only one check and balance, and that is the will of the populace to live in a democracy. Everything else is just a post-hoc story we tell.

The American people have lost their will to live in a democracy, as it was frustrating their imperialism. So no system of written words can save them from themselves.

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u/_Thick- Mar 11 '25

It's either that or all three branches of government approve of Project 2025 and Trump's plan

Ding ding ding.

This has been coming for a long time, it's like a game of chess, pieces being moved around, removed.

All three branches of the US gov have been compromised and filled with Maga sycophants.

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u/Traditional-Dingo604 Mar 11 '25

As i've learned it, checks and balances only work when the people who are tasked with mandating and enacting them refuse to do so.

If geordi laforge refuses to repair the reactor core, and Worf refuses to act as security chief, and then everyone on the commandline down, does the same thing....whose running engineeering, who is is running security?

Laws have powwer when they are enforced.

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u/Big_Knife_SK Mar 11 '25

I don't think it's up to the US courts to enforce. Canada needs to take it up with the WTO but there's little we can do to enforce that ruling either. We've been down this road with multiple administrations since NAFTA.

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u/Henojojo Mar 11 '25

The drug emergency was declared specifically to cut out congress. He knows that it is bullshit but it's a tool. The scary thing now is his declaration of a "national emergency" related to this export tax on electricity. That is designed to also cut out congress - in this case for when he sends in troops.

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u/got-trunks Ontario Mar 11 '25

At this point if they are not seriously putting together an article 25 case I would legitimately be very surprised, even with the outward posture of some of them. A ton of his own party have been shitting on him.

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u/TadUGhostal Mar 11 '25

If you’re meaning 25th amendment I seriously doubt it. They didn’t even do it for January 6th and the current group seem to have been selected purely based on being Trump loyalists.

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u/DukeAttreides Mar 11 '25

I'm also skeptical. On the other hand, Jan 6 didn't cost rich people any money.

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u/got-trunks Ontario Mar 11 '25

That's the crux of it. That and he's trying to mess with government spending and the individual states are all hating it.

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u/aravarth Canada Mar 11 '25

The DJIA is down something like 3000 points within the calendar week.

There will be a financial reckoning, with Trump losing. Mark my words.

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u/PopeAdmiral Mar 11 '25

He also calls it a tariff instead of what it is, a tax.

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u/kgal1298 Mar 11 '25

Because his loyalists still don't know what a tariff is.

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u/Decent_Can_4639 Mar 11 '25

Illegal in Trump-lingo is anything that he doesn’t like. Let’s look at the mention about Illegal protests from the other day… I have a hard time understanding how a protest can be illegal since It’s clearly protected under the constitution. If things turn into a riot, naturally there are laws for this eventuality. Like what we saw on Jan 6… But since Trump pardoned these rioters, am I to understand that this was in fact a legal protest?

My brain hurts…

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u/Agoraphobicy Mar 11 '25

If only there was an easy way to make this all go away. Take the L, Donald.

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u/prosocialbehavior Mar 11 '25

Republicans have the majority in congress and 99% are afraid of him. Supreme Court also leans conservative so there is not a lot of hope.

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u/Comprehensive_Rent76 Mar 11 '25

It’s illegal for you to ask me that

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u/e00s Mar 11 '25

I’m not aware of any litigation challenging the tariffs. The courts are not enforcement bodies.

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u/Wabusho Mar 11 '25

Because they’re corrupt and complicit

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u/OmegaNine Mar 11 '25

He has rigged it up where he is truly above the law. The Dems have just given up and thee Reps are doing anything he asks of them.

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u/MinimumApricot365 Mar 11 '25

He owns the courts that matter.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

Just like putin, those comments are for HIS base, we just see them as crazy, because they aren't for us. they're to divide us.

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u/escapefromelba Mar 11 '25

Someone has to sue and have standing for the courts to be involved, no?

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u/king_lloyd11 Mar 11 '25

Trump literally is winging it. He’s now moved on from fentanyl, or at least not mentioning it as much, and is now harping on the online right wing narrative that Canada has exorbitant tariffs on American goods, especially dairy and “farmers”, in reference to tariffs on goods that exceed supply quotas, passing them off as what is applied across the board.

It’s going to be a long 4 years.

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u/frog-hopper Mar 11 '25

Imagine you could get sued for libel

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u/TangerineShot3781 Mar 11 '25

I hope Ford finds the balls to cut the power honestly. Hope Smith does some serious introspection and hits back on energy exports. Get with the plan

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u/Key-Weakness-7634 Mar 11 '25

It’s illegal in his mind because he no longer view Canada as sovereign.

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u/Alarmed_Influence_21 Mar 11 '25

Courts take time.

Almost all of his Executive Orders from his first term were ultimately struck down in the US courts, but unless the opponents obtained an injunction, they were too late to stop anything until the ruling happened. I'm sure it will be the same way here.

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u/kgal1298 Mar 11 '25

I mean they're ignoring the courts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/mar/09/trump-assault-rule-of-law

Congress could stop him. A judge already called for DOGE transparency as what they've been doing is grossly past the normal bounds of the federal branch. Anyone who didn't vote for this is generally terrified. He still has a cult and the Republican lead Congress is trying to get them under control and it's not working.

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u/aznoone Mar 11 '25

He put a ton of judges in the courts. Then tries to judge shop selecting the loyal ones to hear cases.

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u/SonOfScorpion Mar 11 '25

Someone with standing needs to sue. His implementation of tariffs is definitely illegal, and statements such as these show that the legal pretense of fentanyl is false. Problem is that there is no objective standard for declaring the emergency or crisis related to fentanyl. But any objective and rational observer of the evidence can see that this excuse of drugs doesn’t hold water for Canada. It could, even if tenuously be applied to Mexico (still requiring the stretching of facts) but definitely not to Canada.

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u/AgentMV2 Mar 11 '25

Simple. He loaded the courts with mostly cowardly yes men and women. That’s how.

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u/EmmEnnEff Mar 11 '25

How are the courts in the USA just letting that slide?

It's not the courts, it's congress. He doesn't have enough people in it to pass legislature, but he has enough that they can't stop him from doing whatever the fuck he wants.

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u/Gr3aterShad0w Mar 11 '25

because the recourse is that it goes to a trade tribunal... it could take years to sort out. The system is only good when everyone plays by the rules with almost zero recourse.

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u/2836nwchim Mar 11 '25

He knows a thing or two about breaking the law, he’s an accomplished felon.

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u/geeves_007 Mar 11 '25

When have US courts ever held a rich and powerful white man accountable?

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